quite simply to understand, the dream world does not have rules, it is almost the complete opposite as it should be as reality. you have know mind in dreamland it is strictly a one world matrix. to manipulated reality you have to start in your mind and work your way out, in your head or dreamland it is simply just done. when you are awake you have two world to tend, sleeping you have one. Im at the last level

Avius, if you're going to try to argue a point, then please first engage in CORRECT GRAMMAR.

I tried to read your last few posts, and was dumbfounded at your actual intent in writing them...


To the user that suggested ingesting certain chemicals to produce OBE's:
I really doubt that that is entirely safe or beneficial for your body.


Concerning dreams:

In the past few days, I've been trying to OB, because it sounds cool and I've never done it before. Consequently, I've been remembering my dreams in the past nights somewhat clearly, as opposed to not remembering them at all. I guess that's a start.

A few nights ago I had a really weird dream in which I actually experienced the emotions of jealousy and a very strong fear.

When you guys wake up from dreams, can you remember actually 'feeling emotions' within the dreams? It may be normal, but it kinda freaks me out once I wake up and actually think about how I felt during the dream.

I feel a sort of euphoria when I first leave my body, and sometimes I feel sadness so yes I guess we do feel emotion.

Yeah, when emotions HIT you after a dream, it is wild. It has happened to me alot. Your thinking, wow, was that a dream?

Wow, that jolt feeling really blew me away when it first hit.

I was ALMOST AP'ed, then some lawnmower turned on and I felt my body slam against my bed. Sort of like a shock. I was startled for a few minutes, just due to the bump.

If I knew it was coming, wouldnt bother me at all, just the randomness messed me over.


BTW: That euphoria feeling keeps jacking up my heart rate sometimes, making Astral Travel almost harder then impossible at times. Anyway around this?

How many tries did it takes u guys to achieve conscious OBE for the first time?

I've tried like 5 times in a week, havent reached it.

silver,
what methods have you tried? Perhaps do yoga and meditate before you "try" as I find it really helps to calm the words in your mind. I think the key is to be utterly relaxed. My A to your first Q is I never really TRIED it before I did it, but I had been reading spiritual books by Neale Donald Walsch and read a tiny amount about it before it happened. I have yet to experience one as "real" as my first...as I think there are different "levels" of experiences out of the body, as Socrates sort of explained I think.

edit- Last night as I was going to sleep I heard a wierd noise in my left ear that came from inside my head. It wasn't even a second long and was very strange sounding...I can't really describe it except for it sounded like the voice of something small. That ear was against my bed so I know it wasn't from outside. I was seeing moving color "blobs" and was VERY close to falling asleep, but the sound shocked me back awake. Also my leg was twitched like 5 times. I didn't have one then, but was I "on my way" to having an OBE?

Well, it took me some time to my first full experience. Still haven't succeeded the second time, most likely because of me being so busy and not having enough sleep at the moment.

To me the easiest way was first to remember dreams, which has always been natural to me, then become aware that it is a dream. If you manage to stay in that dream while knowing you're dreaming, it is possible to project if you just concentrate on floating out of your body. That's what I did. Or try to sort of cross the boundaries of the dream. For example windows...that is actually one great way to know it's a dream. Try to find a window or a mirror or something...you probably won't be able to see through it/your own reflection in it. You can e.g. try to jump through the window which might have some interesting consequences, such as jumping at least partially out of your body (happened to me last time). Last night I vaguely remember some vibrations from the middle of the night, and when I woke up I was completely covered in sweat though it wasn't particularly hot. Maybe I was getting close to AP, maybe I was just dreaming...I fell asleep again so quickly that my memories are quite blurry.

Why I'm trying via lucid dreaming is that I really don't have the possibility to wake up in the middle of the night cause I'm working. When my vacation starts I'll definitely try that. Also, I've been seeing lucid dreams for many years now so it's kind of the easiest way for me I guess. But I know not all see lucid dreams that often. Hopefully I was of any help.

Oh, the trick to remember dreams and become aware of them is just to repeat that before going to sleep and generally thinking about it. The same goes with AP. Just keep thinking about and reading about and you will likely remember it in a dream. Remember, there's no rush, it might take a long time to succeed but eventually it will, if you keep believing in it and trying. Trying as in thinking about it and at least suggesting it to yourself when going to sleep.

yeah clocker, that is a recommended method but last night I became lucid but woke up after a few seconds. Does anyone else experience this? I don't have lucids even close to every night so I'm also pretty inexperienced when it comes to those, but I do have lots of chances to become lucid (dreams).

Happens to me quite often as well, though not so much anymore. It requires quite a bit of concentrating at first, not to wake up. But after you succeed to stay asleep for the first time it gets easier. Best chances for me to see lucid dreams is after waking up for a brief moment at some point. Also, naps and sleeping long hours tend to produce a lot more dreams, and also a lot more lucid dreams. Actually, one great way for me to achieve lucid, conscious dreams is to get drunk and then try to sleep when having a hangover. I always see weird dreams then, sort of twisted versions of reality and so it becomes easy to notice it is only a dream.

I have not been able to AP yet, but I am keeping a dream diary. Since I started writing down my dreams & telling myself "I will remember my dreams" - I have remembered many more dreams. In the free astral course at astralweb.com, they recommend you say a mantra upon waking up to help remember. Raom Gaom, which sounds really dumb, but I must say, I couldnt remember a few dreams & after saying this, it brought back bits of the dream.

Also, during the day, make it a habit to ask yourself - "Am I Dreaming" several times a day - like when you look at your watch, or crack your knuckles, or drink water. Then jump up in the air. If you are dreaming, you wont come back down. If jumping is not possible, pull your finger - the book that goes with the free course says that in the astral, your finger will stretch. I havent tried this cause I seem to accept weird things happening in my dreams as normal except for the dream below:

The reason I am trying to get to the astral thru my dreams is, one night I saw my dad in a dream. He passed away last year & I never got to say goodbye. In this dream, I saw him sitting on a couch & something snapped in my head & I knew it was a dream. So I said, THIS IS A DREAM & I got to go over & give my dad a hug & told him I missed him. Of course, I woke up at that point! But the feeling of talking to my dad again was wonderful...

last night i had this one dream but it seemed really real not like anyother dream everything was normal and nothing wierd happened but i rember haveing that dream earlier that night and rember telling some one in my dream that the thing that happened to him happened to me to and i had some memory of having the same dream before but cannot rember its wierd but i started a dream journal like last week and since then my dreams have become longer and i became lucid once and was conciencs but did something dumb and woke up but i have started to have dreams that are really long and i rember the full thing and they seem real.
and thoughs

Peace,
I am new here and was hoping some of you could help me out. A few nights ago, I had a really strange experience right when I was falling asleep. I am very familiar with dreamwork and have been journaling for over a year. I have had visits in my bedroom (a voice telling me to wake up from the side of my bed...neither male nor female and not scary at all), I have heard knocking at my front door in the middle of the night, I have woke up reciting strange creeds that I have never known in present time, but the other night was kinda freaky. So I was just falling asleep, and in my mind, I guess like when you are looking at your 3rd eye, I started seeing like what you see when you look thru a kaleidescope and are turning it...same thing! Very dimensional and fractal and it was moving...then all of the sudden my body did like a giant body shiver thing, really intense, and I could have sworn that I heard something at the foot of my bed where my feet were after the big shiver, like a grunt or something. I got scared then, only scared because I have never experienced this before. And when I got scared, I called on Archangel Michael to surround me with light and protection and to keep me safe in my dream state and then fell back asleep.
My question is: What was this? If I was about to travel, I want to definately do it and don't think I would be scared anymore....has anyone experienced this kaleidescope thing going on prior to traveling? Totally appreciate your thoughts and comments.
Thx.

Firtsly, Welcome to the FORUM!!!

Second, that is a very unique story. Some things you are saying i don't know what to say. About the voices and knocks at the door. However, whenever i have projected, it has been through a similar idea. A "kalidescope", kind of greyish, neverthelss you are able to focus. It's strage, i still have not mastered controlling it at all. I wish i could.

Nice to see someone interested in AP. Keep up your progress and tell me more.

I will try to get Socrates back to answer your question.

PEACE & LOVE.

Hiya and thanks!
Yah, I don't know what to say either sometimes to some of the crazy @#$* that goes on...believe me.
What do you mean, "Control it"? Is that what I am doing subconsciously? I did not have the intention of Astral Traveling at all when I went to sleep. I have never tried it or thought about it........After this happened and I didn't know what it was, I was just kinda of searching on the net by typing in "kaleidescope in mind before sleeping" and came across AP. Hoping that is what is going on?!
I have heard electrical noises in my ears before sleeping sometimes and have been told that I am being "downloaded"??? Any thoughts on that? I have seen my name written in the clouds before.....I have seen orbs of light flying next to the plane I was on while it was landing....for reals. I have seen and experienced a lot of mind blowing stuff in the last year and one half Especially in my dreams....I have had dreams and then like 2 days later been validated in waking life about the dreams...Like stuff that had no relevance at the time. Anywhoo, can't wait to hear ya'lls input! Very happy to be here and thanks again......Peace/Sky

Hmm.. thats funny, i found this site looking up "flying balls of colored light"... which i found out were called orbs or balllighting. Astral Projection was just a bonus. I've had many uneplainable things happen to me as well.

It seems as if your lucid dream capabilities are increasing. Someone seems to be trying to get you to astral project, you should give it a try. SOunds like it'd be a breeze for you. Some have said to meet spirit guardiens there, maybe they are trying to talk to u.

If you're psychic and bridge a connection to communicating with them, then yes, you can know who your guides are. Your guides watch over your body while you're traveling. Guides are Holy Ghosts - people who have died who then petition the Council to become someone's guide.

I will try to make some contact before I sleep...I guess by just stating my intention? Hhmmm...I kinda tried last night but it didn't happen. Dreamed but didn't really remember then clearly......That would be soooo coool if I could meet with my guides! I met with him on my birthday in April in my dream...it was funny because we did this little like "Year In Review"...I was kinda down on myself, thinking I hadn't been progressing and my guide was like, "Yah, well what if THIS is what's really going on" and showed me a different side of what I was thinking. Very trippy. Appreciate any tips you have on advancing or honing in on skills type thingy stuff! Peace 2 ya!

Be positive when trying to do this thingy stuff. That is the key, no negative thoughts. POSITIVE. Read some methods on this forum. Especially Socrates.

Right on.........thx.

well how do you know if your out of your body or not? do you open your eyes to see that your on the other side of the room or what?

Think of the body as a vessel for consciousness, the astral realm is the another vessel for consciousness.

Your eyes are closed of course, it is controlling your soul.

That is rather hilarious, put what do i know it could be true. MAN!!!! What more could possibly shock me.

I have a rather long story to tell but I would really appreciate if someone who knows about EXORCISMS could help me. Around the time of Nov. my husband received a call from his good friend "Bob" who claimed that a mutual friend of theirs "Larry" was admitted into the hospital because he had all these weird things happen to him out of knowhere and his wife ended up calling the paremedics. What happened was one night Bob and his wife began to argue or whatever reason no one knows. Bob took off and went for a walk. 45 minutes later his wife noticed the car was still there so she decided to look for him and noticed him lying on the sidewalk. She ran over to him and at this point mustve helped him back to the house where everything began. Once they returned to the house he apparently was barking and crawling up and down the stairs, walking on all fours and talking a whole lot of nonsense. Eventually it worsened to the point where he fell unconscious and was not breathing. When the paramedics arrived they had to resssusitate him (excuse the spelling if its wrong) using again, excuse the ignorance, those two hand held attatchments that jolt and electrify the persons heart back. Not sure what its called. As he was in the hospital he began to speak Arabic which he knew nothing about (he is East Indian/Pakistani decent). He was reciting sayings from the Qu'uran (sp). The doctors did everything they could to settle him as he urinated in his pants and defecated. They finally told my husbands friend who witnessed everything at the hospital to call one of their "priests" because there were no pysical signs of anything wrong with him and they literally told the family and friends who were the to call immediately. At the hospital he was Exorcised. I have seen him since and he laughs about it out of embarassment and makes jokes like it was no big deal. I fell terrible for him and hope all the best for him, his wife and their little child, but I am petrefied by him!!! If anyone could help me get over this somehow or give me a better insight to all of this maybe I wont have to feel like I cant invite him over to my house anymore! PLS HELP

anybody here successfully astral traveled? like not just feeling of getting out of the body and jolting back in, but being able to see stuff around you and traveling around.

boomrokin, if you have questions about astral travel, post them specifically (or msg them, but i dont know how) for Raistlyn or Socrates, cause they both seem to be experts at it.

i was just having an argument with my friend about astral. u see he is a closed minded kid who is dumb and believes in nothing and that we dissappear when we die and he dosent beleive in having a soul and thinks astral travel is a dream and says that everyone who puts stuff on the internet is lien and its fake. gid i hate people who are stupid and think nithing exists i wana punch him in the face

so Raistlyn and Socrates, whats it like to astral travel. detailsss

The details are all over the topic.

War-Junkie, if you're going to post, be sure you ADD something to the conversation per se.

Why did you post just to bash your friend, whom none of us know?

I can make it to the 1/2 way point that sensation of being pinned down sweating alittle but I get scared i feel this tugging feeling just below my chest I get scared and get puled back in- I've ben trying this for about 2 months now I'm trying to get over that fear because there are somethings I'd love to see. for example historical places is it possable to dive to the bottom of the sea in the astral plane? there's this ship called the Brismark that sunk in a world war.

I'm very interested in this topic.

sorry man i was drunk when i wrote that but me and my friend got on to the topic of astral travel and he was saying how it was just a dream and it is impsooible because there is no soul because he is and i quote "Atheists" is that how u spell it? well hes in that stage where he dosent know what to belive in and is very close minded and he was like your just going to believe some people on the internet there lien. and i told him i came very close many times and have experienced every sensation and am just about able to project and he was like thats normal for that to happen thats what happens when ypur body goes into a dream and i wanted to choke him cuse he is way to closed minded and i hate him..........and he stinks.

hey, id like to commend you, socrates, because you seem to be pretty knowledgeable on the subject, but id like to point this out, robert bruce, an astral "researcher" as i would put it, has found a way to get inside other people, and found he could influince them, (of course he didnt put the method, hes aware of all the messed up people out there.), im not suggesting you try this, but its something to point out.

also, id love to know what reading you have done, because i have been reading all i can about everything on this, from franz bardon, to robert bruce, dion fortune, nd a few others... nd although ive been doing this stuff officially(instead of for a week, and then off for a few months...) for about two years, but thers always something new that can be offered.

Have you heard of the mind-split theory?

PS, for all you new projectors out there, Astral Dynamics is an amazing book, adressing the human energy body, how to project, what to expect, movement, navigation, limits, ect, everything you can think of

(sigh...)BTW.... is that thing that you keep refering to on the first few pages (iono if this was adressed already, but sorry, im not reading all 36 pages...) right on the other side of the astral plane the keeper of the threashold? the "guard" that makes sure your ready to project?

Everytime you keep getting closer, you adapt to that fear.
If its an internal fear, I suggest EFT - Emotional Freedom Technique
Sounds cheesy, but it worked for me.

lmao,hasn't happened to me yet

Yeah, thanks for sharing that..."not weird" information man. Just what we are here to discuss...

Heck yea!!!

I found EFT on the internet a few months ago, and it's been great.
I haven't been using it as much as I should, and I don't have any "one minute wonders" stories to share about how it cured my cancer or anything (lolz...), but I definately agree that every1 reading this thread should try out EFT.

No extra posts in a whole day? something's wrong here...


Any1 experienced with lucid dreams or astral projection, please feel free to share any cool or weird recent experiences with that now.

This is quite interesting. I think i'll try it.

I only heard about Astral Projection when i joined these forums. But i think i had been doing it before then, without realizing it. It would always happen when i was right on the edge of sleep, and i would continue while i was in a sleeping state. I thought it to be merely dreaming or my imagination, but i don't think i can pass if off as that. It was really like I was outside of my body. And every time i would think about my body or if i would actualy move, i would jolt back into my body, and be wide awake.

On the other hand, I have met people up there. I've never heard of that happening.

I guess i'll try again, tonight. It's been a while since i've managed to do it.

Just have patience. It takes a long time to master. Your all doing good work keep it up

i was so happy the other night i was laying in bed and thought about this topic and thought... hey why not try, so when i closed my eyes and tried to see a grey form of me floating out and above my body and see myself laying down, i did. after that i decided to take a look around my room and i recognized everything and it was in the right place. this would be a first for me and i hope to extend it to farther out places but for now im content with my room.

It is called dreaming.We all can do that.

You don't have to be sarcastic. It sounded like a possible OBE to me.

Usually in dreams, things aren't in the perfect correct places, or things are obviously messed up or strange/different in some way from reality.

In OBE, everything is apparently (I'm not experienced at AP) in the correct place.


Hey Raistlyn, I've been trying to AP for about 10 nights straight, and the only thing I have achieved is being able to remember my dreams more clearly (not lucid dreams, either).

Do you (or any1 else experienced) have any big suggestions about how to induce AP?

I've read articles that say it helps to put yourself in a trance, either by yourself, or with some music, or blah blah blah, you figure it out.

Wise words

From me? Duh! Always!

ok so im abit confused now... lucid dreaming, AP, and obe? what are all these and what is the difference between them? i know astral projection, thats what iv been trying to do for a while but what are the other two?

well i think obe (out of body experience) is the same as astral travel and lucid dreaming means that u become aware that you are dreaming and can do what ever you want in that dream i think thats what they mean

ahh... thank you, well im not sure what one i was doing, but i no it wasnt lucid dreaming becuause if thats when you no ur dreaming and can controll what u want, then i do that all the time and i no the difference.

raise energy before you go to sleep, this is a very good way to help induce an obe. also, lay down in a slightly uncomfortable position, this will keep your mind on the boarder of sleep and conciousness, where most obe's take place.

also, things arent always in the right place in AP, there are things called reality fluxuations, they happen because of 2 reasons,1 ur subconcious changing how you interprit the surroundings, 2 you are slipping into the astral realm

hope this helps