raise energy before you go to sleep, this is a very good way to help induce an obe. also, lay down in a slightly uncomfortable position, this will keep your mind on the boarder of sleep and conciousness, where most obe's take place.

also, things arent always in the right place in AP, there are things called reality fluxuations, they happen because of 2 reasons,1 ur subconcious changing how you interprit the surroundings, 2 you are slipping into the astral realm

hope this helps

Hello everyone I am a new kid on the block and just found this site while browsing for a job, how ironic. Iread a few of your thoughts and stories so I thought Iwould share my first experience with the phycic mind . I was about 12 yrs. old when I first discovered boys and and also the way our brains sometimes tells us things that we may not want to believe is real or like myself afraid of what happened. Anyway Imet this cute boy on a Saturday , my first school girl crush, we played all weekend long till monday of course when we all had to back to school. While walking my normal route to school, who did we run into but this cute boy playing hookie from school. There were three boys all jumping into a sand hill , having a gay old time but when I seen them all I could see was death . Why at 12 did I know that if they continued jumping into the sand hill that they would die and unfortunatly 2 out of the 3 boys died ,scared the hell out of me and I told noboby for fear of reprisle. scarey very scarey for a kid of my age and ive had many more like it and stranger stuff :

how did they die from jumping into sand???

What?
That makes no sense to me...what you wrote there...
how did they die from jumping into sand??? What tf do you mean when you say all you could see was death? Was death waiting with a clock in hand and a sickle in other? Were they jumping like 69 feet into it head first or what? If this is true whatever they were doing must of been worth the darwin award. Out of curiousity what "many more"s can u tell us? What about the "stranger" stuff?

gl on the job search

HEY SANDDUNE maybe it made no sense to you but what does sand do ,you obviously don't know the consistancy off sand , put sand in a bowl and drop somethong in , it will sink and get buried in the loose sand,which is what I told them would happen to them if they continued to play there. Two out of three of those boys died . Why at 12 would I even think or tell these boys especially when I had a crush on one of them that they were going to die . I personally did not understand who this unseen person was giving me this unsetteling info . When it started happening all the time getting even stronger when I got into my twenties, I realized most of my visions had to do with death. Knowing that your older brother at 23 years of age was not coming home anymore is a scarey thought but it was a thought that I had to tell my sister who I was living with at the time . When my older brother went out the door that nite I turned to my sister and told what I had felt she of course laughed and called me crazy, so I told her to wait until morning when our mother would call in the morning with the news from the Police that our older brother was dead. I dreaded the morning but I knew I I would have to deal with the concequences of my words . Unfortunitaly I was right even though my sister doubted me she was at a loss for words as was my younger brother who blames me to this day because I knew and never told anyone except my sister besides I was hoping that I MIGHT be wrong , knowing I wasn't, does that explain it better for you. :

raise energy before you go to sleep, this is a very good way to help induce an obe. also, lay down in a slightly uncomfortable position, this will keep your mind on the boarder of sleep and conciousness, where most obe's take place.

also, things arent always in the right place in AP, there are things called reality fluxuations, they happen because of 2 reasons,1 ur subconcious changing how you interprit the surroundings, 2 you are slipping into the astral realm

hope this helps

HEY SANDDUNE maybe it made no sense to you but what does sand do ,you obviously don't know the consistancy off sand , put sand in a bowl and drop somethong in , it will sink and get buried in the loose sand,which is what I told them would happen to them if they continued to play there. Two out of three of those boys died . Why at 12 would I even think or tell these boys especially when I had a crush on one of them that they were going to die . I personally did not understand who this unseen person was giving me this unsetteling info . When it started happening all the time getting even stronger when I got into my twenties, I realized most of my visions had to do with death. Knowing that your older brother at 23 years of age was not coming home anymore is a scarey thought but it was a thought that I had to tell my sister who I was living with at the time . When my older brother went out the door that nite I turned to my sister and told what I had felt she of course laughed and called me crazy, so I told her to wait until morning when our mother would call in the morning with the news from the Police that our older brother was dead. I dreaded the morning but I knew I I would have to deal with the concequences of my words . Unfortunitaly I was right even though my sister doubted me she was at a loss for words as was my younger brother who blames me to this day because I knew and never told anyone except my sister besides I was hoping that I MIGHT be wrong , knowing I wasn't, does that explain it better for you. :

Apparently I cannot do it with the flu.

PS: For all those who want to eliminate a flu fast, eat nothing but vegetables. Yes ONLY vegetables. Get rid of grains + sugar and you will recover in 1 to 1.5 days
I will go hardcore on this again after I finish summer school (No I did not fail english, I just want to raise it to an 85%)
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I would give anything to have a power, even if it is forsee peoples death. I would get famous, and maybe scare someone even if they wont die.

EDIT: Before I go out,

For Those Who Want Stimulated Astral Travel
I have this music file I found somewhere, which is exactly 20:00 minutes long. Its supposedly a product for sale, and I got it free (No I did not limewire it).
I tried it out and it actually worked after like 10 minutes. It has something to do with shutting down the subconscious brain. Each time, I found if you cant do Socrates way, try Sylvia (Now I limewired that) + this sound track way. It sounds like pulses from a Half Life 2 power generator.
I would upload it, but I'm afraid ill get in some kind of serious sh**, now I could always, chat on MSN and somehow send it by mistake).

Apparently I cannot do it with the flu.

PS: For all those who want to eliminate a flu fast, eat nothing but vegetables. Yes ONLY vegetables. Get rid of grains + sugar and you will recover in 1 to 1.5 days
I will go hardcore on this again after I finish summer school (No I did not fail english, I just want to raise it to an 85%)
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I would give anything to have a power, even if it is forsee peoples death. I would get famous, and maybe scare someone even if they wont die.

EDIT: Before I go out,

For Those Who Want Stimulated Astral Travel
I have this music file I found somewhere, which is exactly 20:00 minutes long. Its supposedly a product for sale, and I got it free (No I did not limewire it).
I tried it out and it actually worked after like 10 minutes. It has something to do with shutting down the subconscious brain. Each time, I found if you cant do Socrates way, try Sylvia (Now I limewired that) + this sound track way. It sounds like pulses from a Half Life 2 power generator.
I would upload it, but I'm afraid ill get in some kind of serious sh**, now I could always, chat on MSN and somehow send it by mistake).

i have a question. some people mentioned earlier that you cant astral travel while on drugs or the green cronic and i dont know if this is the same or what but would you be able to astral travel while drunk? just a thought or does it have the same effect as drugs by lowering the vibrations?
im gunna try 2 astral travel 2 night since i haven consumed any drugs in the past 24 hours for once and am hoping to get the same effects as i did 1 month ago.

When my older brother went out the door that nite

From what InI know, drugs will lower the vibration, especially alcahol.

Green Chronic varies between people, i have read of those that claim to have projected when they smoke, as it mellows them. But some that have said it lowers vibration and makes it more difficult. And, on top of that won't be a clear experience. But it varies as i stated before.

I see you are from Canada, so you'll have no problem comming up with some ganja. lol.

Howver, i would like to say, that i recommend a clear mind. Meaning not under any influence, except almost sleeping.

Sacajewea, I didn't understand every word of what you said, but if it's true, it seems you have the ability to foretell (or fore-sense) the death of people around you.

Sorry to hear about your brother, but do you have any other particular examples? I don't know whether to believe you or not, but no hard feelings. I oft feel skeptical of the obscure.

some sh** like that happened to me too. it was years ago in cali but i came home from the last day of school and saw some news vans parked outside my apartment complex. my first thought was that my sister was dead...possibly shot. i go inside my house and sure enough...YUP. i can't say i was suprised, maybe because of what i sensed when i came home and saw the news vans...but i felt sad for my family. I don't know why i didn't cry though, and i even went to an end of school party after that. it's wierd sh**.
that's the only time i ever felt anything resembling "foreseeing" death of a close one like you said, sacaj...even though it had already happened. i think it has to do with the aura interacting with the energy or vibrations surrounding the place. or it could just be a "coincidence"
if i were you i wouldn't worry too much about it.

How do I "raise energy"? specifically?

Okay. Only today, I found out about astral traveling. I am very interested and I want to experience it no matter what. The only question I have for now is : How do I know that I am out of my body? Can I see myself out of my body, in a transparent way? Do I still feel my body? Can you see something during this? And if so, how do you know when to open your eyes?

Wow, that turned out to be a lot of questions instead of just one.

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UGH! I tried just to simply do it without being extremely tired and I felt a lightness of my body and thought that I was going to be able to do it. But then, my dog barked, and I got scared the sh** back into my body.

I discovered that each time I try to take myself out of my body, my eyes start to water and my chest gets heavy and tense. All of my limbs are tingly and super heavy. I still don't get how to completely see around me.

To some of you, the idea of astral travel, (astral projection, OBE) may seem completely insane. It did to me once too. But I decided to try it anyway, and had amazing results.

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Astral travel has been practised throughout history - and there have been thousands of documented scientific experiements confirming that astral travel is real.
People seek therapy because they 'wake up paralyzed and rigid' (sleep paralysis, a close component of astral travel) 'Wake up and see strange beings around them' (entities found in the astral plane) 'Find themselves floating or vibrating violently, or engulfed in a bright light' (sensations felt as the astral body leaves the physical body) Some people have even gone so far as to say their astral experiences are alien encounters.

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And, there are those who resent astral travel and/or refuse to beleive it is possible at all. Perhaps for one or more of the following reasons:

1. They beleive that astral experiences are actually dreams. (Wrong. Astral travel is a fully conscious experience, as thousands of people have confirmed worldwide.)

2. They beleive that those who claim to astral travel are under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol. (Wrong again. Drugs or Alcohol actually hinder astral travel. Furthermore, most people who astral travel began astral travelling at a very young age - 6 to 12.)

3. They beleive what people describe as an astral experience is actually an alien abduction. (Thrice wrong. Although, waking paralyzed, seeing strange entities, and being engulfed in a blinding white light may be likened to an alien abduction, such symptoms are components of the first stages of astral travel.)

4. They beleive people claim to be able to astral travel for publicity, money, or attention in general. (Indeed, some people may use astral travel for such a purpose, or claim that they are able to astral travel when in actuality they cannot. However, astral travel is an enlightening spiritual experience, and he or she who has astral travelled normally understands the importance of keeping such a controvertial hobby quiet. Furthermore, it is commonly known that if one astral travels for selfish or evil purposes, they are likely to find themselves attracting unpleasant entities.)

5. They beleive astral travel is evil, and a sin unto god. (A misconception. As said above, astral travel is a spiritually enlightening and developing experience, not an evil or sinful one. The bible actually talkes about astral travel on several occasions; it describes people as being "in the spirit" while receiving prophecy. Terminology of astral projection is also found in:

Ecclesiastes 12:6-12:7:

"Remember [your Creator] — before the silver cord is severed,
or the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
or the wheel broken at the well,
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

The passage is talking about what happens when we die.
The silver cord this passage talks about exists when one projects. It links the physical body to the astral one. Don't worry - It can only be severed if we die in the physical world. The golden bowl refers to the 'crown chakra' the main energy center of the body, used to project. Biblical Scholars attribute these lines to astral projection or the astral body in general.

Those are some of the more common reasons people resent or refuse to beleive astral travel is possible. Hopefully I have cleared up some of the myths associated with this phenomena.

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Here is a technique for astral travel. I bluntly call it the '4 in the morning technique' I have tried many methods over the past two years, and this one had the best results. I have written it out in steps. It involves getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning - a little extra effort, but it is by far worth it. The reasons for waking up at 4 in the morning are:

- You will be drowsy and it will be easier to clear your head.
- You will drift off to sleep much faster.
- You will have gotten up for a purpose; your body and mind will be tuned to what you are trying to achieve.

A note to those who are skeptical about astral travel but still wish to try it: You must keep an open mind while attempting to project. Any negative thoughts or feelings will certainly hold you back. Stay positive, open, and willing.

The technique is as follows:

Set your alarm for 4 o'clock in the morning.

Allow yourself to drift asleep.

At four in the morning, the alarm will wake you. Get out of bed turn on the light, and splash water on your face. Dry your face with a towell.

After about two minutes, get back in bed. Lie on your back.

You will most likely be feeling groggy and tired. Your mind will be eager to get back to sleep.

Close your eyes, and clear your mind. This should be easy because you are so tired.

Now, imagine you are standing somewhere in your room. Perhaps in the far corner. Vividly see yourself standing there. Know that you are standing there, and that your body is still lying on the bed. Focus your whole mind on this concept.

While working on that, begin a simple affirmation in your head. "I am going to astral travel. I am going to leave my body." Say it in your head, over and over, while imagining you are on the other side of the room.

While you are doing this, you will begin to drift back to sleep. Slowly, your mind will begin to cloud. Make sure that the concept of standing elsewhere in your room is the last thing that goes through your mind before you are asleep.

You may experience one or more of the following sensations:

- Floating
- Sinking
- Vibrations
- A bright white/blue light
- A rushing or popping sound
- Starnge noises; someone calling your name
- A jolt

If you experience one or more of these sensations for the first time, it may be frightening. But know that they are positive signs; signs that let you know you're about to project.
Almost always, apon feeling a strange sensation, the person trying to project gets such a fright that he/she is jolted back into their body. If this happens to you, allow yourself to fall asleep and try again the next night, knowing presently that there is nothing to fear.

If you find yourself outside your body, do not stay out for too long the first time. Float about your room, become used to the physics of the astral plane, and then will yourself back into your body. You can start exploring after a 24 hour break. There may be a guide waiting for you. This guide will watch over you and take you where you please. Talk briefly with the guide, and say you will project again in 24 hours.

When 24 hours pass, you will be ready to explore and venture further than your room. You may not even have to use drifting off to sleep as a medium for astral travel.

If, after several attempts, you still have not projected, do not be detered. It is likely you will have felt some of the sensations above while trying, and this is a positive sign. You must remember that it is a matter of willpower. You can't just casually attempt to project in a one-off scenario. Think about astral travel throughout the day. Buy a book on astral travel. Attempt to astral travel everynight. Eventually, I gurantee, you will get out.

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That's all I have time for at the moment. If you have any questions about the technique I listed, or about astral travel or the astral plane, send me a PM. I will be happy to help.

If Astral travel is so cool....why go back? Do you have to go back to your body..why not stay...just curious

Hey, yesterday evening I found a 100~ mb sound file on limewire that's someone's voice talking while some soothing sounds play, and supposedly the voice guides you into Astral Projection.

I listened to like the first 5~ mins of it, and my body was getting really heavy and relaxed, then my dad told me to go to bed cause it was like 1am lol.

I'm gonna try it again soon, maybe not tonight cause its July 4th, but I'll post later if it works.

the past few days i tried to project and ive always fell asleep in like 2 min prob cuse im so tired i froget what i am doing and fall asleep any think i should be doing to help that

I was reading in a witchcraft/sorcery guide about different archangels and planetary spirits/powers to call upon for help or guidance.

(No, I'm not really into witchcraft, I was reading out of curiosity.)

Apparently the archangel that corresponds to my birth date is Archangel Raphael, and the planet Mercury as well.
What is you guys' opinion on archangels and planetary sources of power and guidance?

For those of you with experience, how exactly do you "call on" an archangel or some other force to guide you? I assume it's pretty much just like a prayer?

Ima try calling on an archangel tonight. and see if I can't astral project for the first time

pray for me!

To those who have participated in this thread, I've been absent from it for quite some time and instead of reading twenty pages, I'll just ask.

To those who project actively or have had frequent projections, especially those induced by sleep, are there any clear, simple dividing factors between out of body experiences and lucid dreams? I'm in a tight situation trying to understand if some of my more recent dreams are OBE's or simply lucid or vivid, as they usually are.

And I have almost always projected from dreamstate by suggesting it to myself before falling asleep.

(Clocker @ Jul 7 2006, 02:02 AM)']
And I have almost always projected from dreamstate by suggesting it to myself before falling asleep.