Well my "method" is very simple, really. Since I go to work every day, I don't have the option of waking up in the middle of the night. So, instead, I just keep telling myself that it's just a dream, remember where you are now: in your bed. If you find yourself somewhere else, it must be a dream. And on top of that I think of astral projection and that I'm going to try it when I realize it's just a dream. I haven't been able to project on a regular basis but just once a week or more, depends on how much time I spend thinking and reading about it during the day...that has a huge impact, I have noticed. And, I have problems getting out of my body fully, I often get stuck from my feet and drift back into sleep if I spend too much energy trying to make my feet project as well

When dreaming, and realizing it's a dream, it's important not to wake up...you might not succeed at first, but keep on trying and soon you'll be having lucid dreams. And when you manage to stay asleep, start looking for ways to get "out" of the dream. Dreams, at least my dreams, usually have very strict borders, meaning I can't see very far in some directions, or through windows. So, my advice is to jump through windows, or just start flying, if imagining yourself sleeping in your room and flying/floating upwards is too difficult. I have tried jumping out of a bus window in a dream, resulting in me surging out of my body without much effort, but bouncing back since my legs wouldn't come loose. This happened on a saturday morning a few weeks ago. One more piece of advice for those who don't already know: practise reality checks like checking the time, looking at mirrors and windows etc, during the day as well...you'll find you'll be doing it when dreaming as well.

In short, I just repeat over and over that I'm going to remember my dreams, I'm going to realize it's a dream and how I'm going to realize that, and that I'll try to astral project. Keep thinking about AP and OBEs and it'll occur to you in your dreams as well, as well as remembering it's just a dream. Hopefully this was of any help to anyone, I know this message is a bit of a mess

^^ thanks for the advice there but sometimes is pretty hard to control my dreams they always seem to go the way the dream wants to go. and i very rarely am able to control them . perhaps i need a clear mind like meditation?

Emotions are very strong in dreams, at least in my dreams. But by concentrating you can actually direct dreams, once you determine it's a dream. You need to acknowledge that it's actually you who are directing the dreams, even if subconsciosly I have never tried to meditate, though it's on my things-to-do list so I don't know if it will help. Time and patience though, they work wonders. My first OBE related experience, as can be read earlier in this thread, was when I drifted into a dream semiconsciously, and immediately started wondering whether it was a dream since I was cruising in the Caribbean in a Finnish missile boat. Well, the boat hit a reef but I just concentrated my thoughts on moving it forward and it actually did. So next I jumped into the water and immediately started wondering if there are sharks. Well, there was shark swimming right at me! I merely thought that hey, it's my dream and you don't belong here and tried to make it disappear. And it did, into grayish smoke...then I wanted to fly. And next I remembered AP and thought I could try now as I've heard it can be done through lucid dreaming. I imagined myself floating upwards and then came the sounds, vibrations and distortions and all, you can find a detailed description in this thread.

Trust me, it won't take forever, the first step is to remember dreams, the next is to control them. Then it's AP time I think

Lonewolf here, my teq. for astral travel.

1. is to meditate

2. lye down

3. picture yourself at the egde of where you are

4. keep moving away from your body

5. do this in caution in sessions

i had a dream journal and it was working but reacently i have keeped frogeting my dreams and dident bother to write the little things i rember down my bad in that oart reading all these recent posts makes me want to do it even more.

i dont know if this means anything but my bro has lucid dreams every once in a while and i wana know if he has them would i have a greater chance of having them i had one i can rember when i was making dream journals when i had a nap

when u guys astral project, what do you see in the mirror? thanks

pretty much a grey form of your body...

thanks

i never looked into a mirror while out, but i did see my arms...
i could "feel" the same with them but visibly they looked clear in the middle with a misty greyish-bluish-whitish outline.
I probably looked like the cliche/stereotypical ghost to that psychic investigator. Hope I didn't scare her...

What if humans evolve to another stage or get special powers like Astral travel getting from A-B in a flash or being telepatheic and more intelligent.
I think only a select few could be trusted with such powers like the son of God he died and resurrected from the dead and travelled to see his deciples but also performed miracles in front of many during his time on Earth.
Astral travel is possible but we would have to go through a metamorphical phase where we have to be made fit for it not overweight blind or dumb.Maybe if you were an Angel then you could pocess such capabilities .

Very, very interesting thought. Revolution of mind.

Wow this topic is very interesting. Especially since last night, I was falling asleep and started having this dream with kids in it. There was one little kid and he was moving his arms up and down yelling at me to "Go up! Go up!" And all of the sudden it felt like I had fallen back into myself. This has happened a few other times, but last nights dream was the best example I have. I think I will try your technique sometime this weekend. I'm curious, a little hesitant, but curious to see what happens. ^^

i keep setting my clock 2 wake me up at 4-5 ish and i wake up and say f*** it im tired but i tonight i will get up and try and project.

also i have been writing down my dreams and have noticed that they get longer and every now and then i say to my self that that shouldent happen im dreaming but not pay attention and go on with my dream. i have only lucid dreamed once but plan to try again and then astral travel through it

I don't mean to offend anyone here but is it at all possible that your experiences are coming from sleep deprivation? Or maybe your actually half asleep and dreaming?

Don't get me wrong I believe you guys are telling the truth about your experiences...but im half skeptic.

well i dont know about them but i get plenty of sleep and when it happens to me i no im not sleeping becuase i can tell the difference between a dream and reality...

yeah the last time i astral projected i don't think i even thought about looking in the mirror lol. i always felt that i was just a like a blob of mass or something. because i was so light. and does anyone know about the dimensions in the astral plane? you know how we have 360 degrees in the physical well i looked at this website a long time ago and it said we can look even more angles in the astral, so maybe when someone here astral projects they can look at thier astral self while astral projecting XD.

Oh and just a little question that came to me earlier today....

When you do astral project, what will you look like? Will you look like you usually do or are you naked or can you change what you look like? And going back to earlier posts, if you did do this with a friend, would they look the same as they usually do or could their appearance be different? Because I think of myself looking one way and then I'll look in a mirror and my thoughts don't exactly match the actual reflection.

well i cant really answer that for you... i have never tried this with a friend in the room before but i would imagine that they would look the same as everything else that you see, the same as they are but a little darker, and you probably wont be able to see as much detail as you would if you were actually looking at them but hope that helps.

Here are some tips for all you nubs out there:

1. Do it early in the morning, not through the day. There is too many possibilities of distractions.

2. Do it when no one is home.

3. Be relaxed and drugless. Drugs are bad anyway.

4. Your goal is to relax. Try and relax further when your relaxed. Ask yourself if you can release your shoulder more.

5. Limewire Sylvia browne. I dont care if you think shes fake, it may JUST BE what works for you (it worked for me).

6. Get stuff to drop brain waves.

7. No metal before this. Yes its addicting as hell, but no music at all before astral projection.

8. Better get anxieties under control. Got panic attack problems? You can do it, just keep practicing. If you REALLY are set on it, in a week or two (+/- some) you will overcome it.

9. Getting frustrated will ruin you.

10. Being religious WILL REALLY HELP. I promise. You atheists aren't going anywhere fast.

11. Be positive, if you succeed in APing your negativity might f*** you over. Trust me


Ok bed time. I get my double bass on Friday so im not gonna be attempting to AP again for a week or two.

Edit: If I see someone quote the initial 5 million line post I will destroy them IRL lol. Its a waste of space

I have always dreamed a lot and have a lot of semi-conscious dreams, meaning I'm not sure whether I'm asleep or not, and have also experienced lucid dreams for many years now. And the first time I AP'd a few months ago did convince me that it was something entirely different. I've explained all the sensations before, it is just so much more vivid, and you are aware of yourself and your environment when AP'ing; your are really conscious. Whereas in dreams your thought patterns seem to be sort of narrowed down, meaning that you often sort of "follow" the dream, like the protagonist of a book. That changes of course when you realize it's just a dream.

^^^
I know what you mean but couldn't people who are astral travelling just be lucid dreaming? And not necessarily traveliong through time and space.

I doubt they are lucid dreaming. I usually keep an open mind about everything, which is why I decided to give AP a chance. The experience is so powerful that it's hard to believe it's only a dream...especially since everything is so clear then, and you can e.g. see through windows etc. Also, my sheets looked just the same as they do in reality, my whole room is exactly the same. I could see my physical arms not moving.

About traveling through time and space, I wouldn't know about that. I am an open-minded person and don't usually rule anything out before I have absolute knowledge so I'm not going to comment whether it is possible or not. It could be, but I don't know. Instead of speculating and reasoning, I suggest you keep an open mind and try it for yourself. That way you can find the answer. Even though we are living in the age of reason, one should not forget about the big picture and the value of experience. Hopefully this was of any help.

PS. I must stress that I am not a specialist on the subject, and have had only a few experiences of AP.

Well I looked around at some sites and they all say different things...one said you'll have no shape and some say you can change some say you can't....I'll find out eventually...

i tried it earlier this morining at around 4am and for some reason i wasent getting any sensations i prob was just so tired that i wasent paying attention but i tried to picture myself across the room and i just fell asleep.

i also have a fan in my room cuse it gets really hot in my house but does anyone think that thats the reason i cant ap?

I'm still skeptical about this. I'm not a fan of the "It's just a halucination!" theory, so I won't use it. But maybe it's just a dream? Maybe you're falling alseep, and when you think you're snapping back in, you're just waking up. I tried to Project a few times, but I get too scared XD.

it could be, but if it is, its a very consistant vivid dream

I would say its a dream when i project, exept for the fact that various things have been confirmed by outside sources-- so i know its not just my brain making it up

that, nd the vibrations are intense

i was drunk like a little earler than this and im just getting over it and i dont know if it will affect me in a couple hours but i will still try and project because i wasent that drunk but would i still be able to project? or will i have not as good as experence because i will have lower vibrations?

it will be harder... just wait untill tomarrow night... alcohal interferes with these things, as does eating

Actually I had my first experience on a morning after some quite heavy drinking. This was probably because my dreams are very surreal when hung over, kind of like a distortion of reality, and I often drift in and out of sleep. I have had some close OBE's (partially out of body) in a similar state afterwards as well. That being said, it might be that getting drunk may work for some, or at least the consequences of it

PS. I am not trying to encourage anyone to drink here, I'm just discussing my own experiences. Also, I tend to have similar types of dreams only after a few beers/glasses of wine as well, so no need to get hammered or anything. In addition, I doubt it would work for everyone.

^
and my first experience happened after i hadn't done ANY drugs/drinking for 4 months. before those months i was a recreational user of many different psychoactives. perhaps the drugs WERE and ARE inhibiting me going out, as i've both done them and haven't done it since. That being said, it might be that abstaining would work for some, or at least keep you healthy.

P.S. I am not trying to discourage anyone from doing drugs here, I'm just discussing my own experience. Also, I tend to have a few vivid dreams every morning but rarely full lucids. In addition, I think alcohol would lower peoples energy vibrations.

this morrning when i woke up i tried to project and i got really close but my bro woke up and started walking around upstaires so i couldent try anymore. but while i was projecting i could see in my eyes a white dot and it changed to purple then when i told myself to relax more it seemed likt there was a strobe light flickering infrount of my closed eyes and it started to swrill then i told myslef to clime an invisible rope and i started to picture it and i flet my arms going and pull myself up and then i was disturbed and i did drink a little the night before so i might be one of the people who can project with the after effects of drinking. it was also most effective try at projecting.
are the white and purple swirls and dots normal?

As far as i know... very much so.

Yet they are just a discharge of somesort, so it's best to try and ignore them if you wish to get any further. Focus on your breathing aswell, be grounded with your breaths, very natrual. Once your breathing becomes a nice comfortable pattern, your focus will not be on the colors. Pretend you have a "third eye" on your forhead in which you climb the rope from. The rope technique is said to work best, so you are halfway there. You on are the right track!

I thought I already explained this in my post. That different things work for different people. Also, all of my subsequent experiences have occurred without using any sort of intoxicants.

I really don't understand how it matters that you've used psychoactives and whatnot before. Perhaps it is them that are inhibiting you, perhaps it is something else. Another thing I don't understand is how you THINKING alcohol lowers energy vibrations matters either. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. However, I probably did not have any/very little alcohol in my blood when I first "projected".

Last, I don't understand why you would reply with such a tone when you obviously had nothing more to say than "ap works without drugs or alcohol too." Could you explain that to me?

sorry to offend you brusephario. i thought the construction of your post would be a good model for expressing how i related to it, without any intention to do so. thank you and god bliss.

The more i think about it seems to be just a dream experience...i noticed in the guide that you should think to yourself "I can astral travel" and to keep an open mind about it. So you are thinking about astral travel when you fall asleep...so that's what you dream.

I wonder if you go through the guide but instead of trying to astral travel you think about Batman...maybe when you fall asleep you will dream about being Batman.

thats why i dont project when i am going to sleep, because you're absolutly right

its very hard to be sure you're projecting when youre sleeping, ebcause it could be just another dream realm... you've only projected sucsessfully once you have done so from a semi-waking trance state...

Usual everyday dreams usually have something to do with the events that happened that day(or recently) but are then "distorted" a lil bit.

For example: Today i broke my leg so i might dream about an alien breaking my leg with a 9 iron.

And for those who say "when i astral travel it feels different from dreaming" it could be your subconscious(sp?) sleeping brain makes it so because thats what you believe astral traveling "feels" like?

it very well might be...
i dont think this is the case though, because ive projected and gone to friends house... then called them the next day and told them what they were doing

this could be because of general knowledge of behaviors around the house ect... but i dont think so

EDIT: also there is amazing consistance between different stories of projections, leading me to belive its a little more than a coincidence

Yeah, Robert Monroe's cool.

Well put.

^^^
I concur

i also agree

I just signed up after trying to find some info on astral projection and such because sometimes I feel that I am at the beginning stages of astral travel when I am extremely stoned (marijuana). I am not sure if it depends on what strain I smoke but I just like to lay down in my bed and close my eyes and after a few minutes I start having ringing in my ears and these vibrations or pulses throughout my body and it feels so strange. When this first happened to me, I was scared of it but now I enjoy it. The only thing is, I dont get any further than the vibrations and its the last thing I remember the next day. Is it because I am not THINKING of doing astral travel? Or is this just my body's effect from the weed?

Comments? anyone?

maybe its because your high

Well thanks for the clarification.

I have smoked on a semi-regular basis for 3 years (sometimes taking breaks of about 1-2 months) so I don't think that it is because im "sOOoooO baked" but in some other state of mind of complete relaxation. I have tried to talk to my friends about this but none of them experience it.

yea it might b because ur high but some people act differently to different things but it dosent work 4 me when im high i just spin and my eyes open slowly 4 some reason

Instead of talkin' about sensimillia... we should really get back to the regular topic of Astral Travel, and Socrates Technique.

Has anyone tried it, has it worked for anyone?



...Fim, i suppose if this particular method you have chose does further your success, go with it. As me and you both know cannabis is a herb, and completely harmless. Smoking the herb has always harbored infamous ties with the "peace" ideology. I say that to say this, for your projection attempts, cannabis could very well give you a sense of peacefulness, stress alleviation, and relaxation, that you're usually incapable of. However, if it benefits you and your attempts, and helps get the method down, that's great. Eventually though, try to do your projecting with the "4o'clock" method that Socrates has layed out. This way you are re-awaken and able to to have a fresh mind. Personally, i haven't traveled in a long while, and have been using Socrates method for a while, trying to get it down. I haven't attempted in a few months though, should consider it again...


Take a look at the posts from the start of this topic.

Thanks, I agree with you and I will try this technique soon

I guess smoking just helps me have a loose hold on my body than when I am sober.

I dont think drugs would help.
Even though they may cause calmness, they chemically interfere with certain parts in the body. If someone gets stoned or something, that may also be dangerous.
Its best naturally to be relaxed

It's different for everyone. APing while being stoned I don't think helps. I have had similar feelings while stoned. I don't know, it's probably just being high. I think drugs alter the other bodies, so it makes it hard to AP or whatever. And plus, you can't REALLY concentrate when your messed up.