certian drugs can indeed help you with APing, but under controlled conditions. the native americans would use the peyote cactus to reach the otherside, but without proper knowledge of how this works i would not attempt it
but if you REALLY want to experiment with it, go ahed, but be sure to make notes so you can find the exact amount and type of stuff that you get the best results with

Yeah if drugs do work, I will be completly surprised.

Still don't do them. Its too risky.

SOMEONE ANSWER THIS ASAP! ITS IMPORTANT

WHAT IF I GO NEAR A BLACK HOLE? Will I get f***ed over and never be able to return since it sucks in more then the speed of light?
Edit: that is while im astrally projecting

Hello, Cjk10000,

While black holes are a property of the physical universe, in the 9 years that I've been projecting I've never encountered any such threat. For that matter, I've never seen a single star on the astral plane. That's not to say that stars don't exist there, as I believe everything in the physical was first imagined/created in the astral, but souls are not dependent upon the luminosity of explosive chemical reactions for vision.

I believe Socrates has spoken of his own visits to the Spirit Library (Akashic Records), so he may be able to confirm black holes' absence from the astral. Also, having fear will only hinder your willingness to project.

Cannabis is no more a drug than Tobacco is.

Certain people and different groups use natural herbs and remedies, most of which are legal in the United States for medicinal purposes. Shamanism, for instance, who among other things has a long list of legal remedies they use for spiritual purposes. Many indigenous groups have done the same, for years. Cannabis however, is not, for it is a product of HEMP. This is an unfortunate thing, but this will always remain a matter of strong dispute. Shaman (scroll down for list)

Furthermore, it's fine if use the holy herb of course. But try not to make that your sole way to meditate or astral project. And, you can share your experiences on here if you want, just use appropriate words. If say we begin talking of "drugs", try not using words like "Extremely stoned", and being blatent, sh**t like that will get this thread closed.

Now please... back on the topic of of Astral Travel, and Socrates Technique.


Has it worked for anyone?

Bless.

Very true, I've been projecting for.. well longer than socrates and i know a fair bit on the matter. While everthing has a substance if you will, black holes being in AP can suck you in, but not to worry lol you won't get f***ed over or anything. just lost possibly. I started jumping worm holes/black holes at age 7 ish. Now the only real danger is. the longer you stay out Aping the more your physical body get's drained of energy. However the longer you stay out the more you grow an immune system and you see where im going with this. If you have any further questions just ask.
Raist

Thanks for the information, Raist. I've never had any trouble willing myself back to the physical body, so the idea of getting lost was never much of a concern. When you say that you've jumped the black holes and worm holes, do you mean jump as a form of avoidance, or do you purposefully jump into them?



I know what you mean about the energy depletion. I used to feel so fatigued on the days following lengthy projections that I'd require an additional 4 or 5 hours of sleep beyond the usual 8.

Hey, Kak,

Are you using an alarm by any chance to wake up at 4AM? I've found that alarms produce stress that ultimately precludes sleep paralysis (At least in my case). In the window of time between 3 and 5AM is when I experience the bulk of my APs. Lately, I'm finding more and more that I'm accompanied moments prior to, and during, the events. It could be my higher self, a concept that I've been hearing so much about lately. When the entity arrives at my bedside, I can't deny how familiar and comforting the presence is.

I remember seeing a post not long ago where a member mentioned asking for an AP from his/her guide before bedtime. I've found this to be an effective tool, but the request need not be made aloud, nor does it necessarily have to be directed at one's guide. All I do, essentially, is think of it happening and trust that it will.

My friend from out of state could leave her body like clockwork following 45 minutes of meditation. Like Raistlin, she got her start very early in life. I don't possess that level of control yet, but the things she proved to me made for a powerful witness.

That is the almighty by your side.

‘Yea thou I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for thou art with me…
Psalm 23:4


Usually, if i wake up from an alarm, it seems to make me forget my dream i was just having. I seem to be getting that a lot lately, forgetting my dream right as i awake. It isn' the greatest thing.

Well, all my life i have had some sort of natural alarm clock built in my head. One that has a tendency to wake up, if i want to, basically around my destined time. Handy. Anyways, it's always better to wake up with a radio alarm, on classical music. Then go in the washroom and wash your face, with cold water. This way you are refreshed, yet half asleep, the state you wish to be in.

Yes FrankB. There are many things in this world that mainstream and modern science cannot put its finger on. Astral Projection, soul travelling. My experience made me see life in a whole new light, amoung many other things... I never intended to AP, but it happened. A major epiphony in my life, for the good.

Well I tried this technique last night, and well, it was weird.

I set my phones alarm to go off at 4:30, but I woke up a few seconds before it went off. Did the whole splash face with water and went back to bed. I start to focus on that high pitched sound in my head and the vibrations came on and kept increasing in intensity. I don't know why but I opened my eyes and I was still feeling the trembling and such. What I saw wasn't really the whole seeing your astral limbs and such but I just looked around the room (should have been pitch black) but everything seemed to have a foggy look? I got a bit frightened by it, I know I shouldn't have, but it was too strange for me to handle. So, I get out of my bed, shake it off and just try to go back to sleep normally. Then it happens when I am laying on my side! It wasn't as intense, but more like annoying because that is all it was.. just some vibrations and buzzing. Eventually I fell asleep.

I will try to do this again with more success. I just need to get comfortable with that feeling.

I jump into them er.. fly into them whicever you prefer on purpose. It helps me reach my destination alot quicker. lol

Hello, I just joined this website and I'm looking for any advice or information about APing. Ever sinse a friend of mine mentioned the words "astral projection" I've been hooked. I'm a pretty open minded abstract thinker, and as I kept reading about the topic I found myself relating to it more and more. I can remember dreams I've had when I was around 6 or 7 years and experiencing lucid dreams and sleep paralyses. I thought one of them was a lucid dream, and it took place in the strangest atmosphere. I told my mom I was on this dry adobe-looking crackled ground, and that it was like I was on some desert planet looking into the sky and seeing Neptune. The area was HUGE, and stretched out for miles. And the sky above was sky blue and all different shades inbetween. It felt like I was both right-side-up and up-side-down at the same time. Like gravity didn't feel normal. Looking back I am almost certain I was astral projecting.

I've purchased some books by Jane Roberts and enjoy the Seth Speaks books. I am now reading "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul". I hadn't practiced APing in a while so I did earlier today. I woke up to my brother standing in front of mehanding me the phone with my dad on it. The first words out of my mouth were "WHOA! How did I know you were there?? It was like I could see you through my eyelids!" HAHAHA. Pretty strange..
Anyway, I have hope of accomplishing astral projection. I suppose it's a matter of time and acute concentration. I'm going to start trying your method. Hopefully we'll see some results. When I FIRST started reading about this, and really getting into it, I had a lot more lucid dreams and could recall a "guide" figure of some sort being with me while I slept. Do you think that is a sign or growth?

...Gosh I type alot...

THANK YOU FOR ANY THOUGHTS

-Charmagne

that foggy seeing everything is clairvoyant sight caused by your etheric body expanding. When people take the time out to look for that and sit there its really quite pheonominal

OH sure... no one responds to MY questions...



... ...

sorry

that upside down feeling is probably a sign that you were APin, but you never can be sure

seeing through your eyelids, as i said above, is consistant with clirvoyant sight expierenced while you're etheric double is projecting(there are two copies of you when you project--the original(you) and your energy double equivalent with all your memories to date (wait... again... you...)
while one os projecting, the other is clairvoyantly seeing the world(of course this is often overwritten by the shadow memories produced by your etheric double

One thing that is very important while APing. Don't focus on the vibrations or anything except the technique you are trying. Focusing on them will distract you and you won't be able to AP.

Thank you guys so much for your concern.

-Charmagne

PART ONE: PEOPLE WHO WANT ASTRAL PROJECTION INFO READ

PART TWO: QUESTIONS FOR YOU ASTRAL PROJECTORS

Part one
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Well I had a new experience.

You guys try his way, this is mine. It may work for you guys:

I do the rope technique. Most people will discount it but this is what I did.
After about 10 minutes of relaxing and imagining im playing the greatest drum kit in the world and my favorite song (just my thing to do that calms me down), I realize im done and prepare to project.

I try and open my "Chakras" which seem to definately help me.

Next I imagine with my eyes shut, that there is a rope infront of me (an imaginary one). Now pretend your in a cave, with NO LIGHT (best to imagine it through your closed eyes, all the darkness). Pretend theres a rope infront of you that you can grab but cant see. Pretend its so dark that you cant even see your own hands infront of your face.

Now grip onto that rope like its your life (imagine it, dont do anything with your physical body). Everything I say from now on will be with your astral 'soul' unless I otherwise specifiy. Pretend you grab onto it and constantly pull up. If you hear a distraction, just keep going.
You may feel a pulse, vibration or a risen heart beat. This is just energy. Your physical body's heart beat may increase just a bit, but it may feel like its going way faster. This is your heart chakra gathering energy for you to project. Dont be afraid.
Pulses elsewhere are your energy flowing, you may feel them in your ankle like me for example, even though they may not actually be there.
Now I personally, for the rope, grab it at my joints, like your grasping yourself tightly (Imagine hugging yourself, you know the V part of your arm? Let the imaginary rope go in there). Now pull up, and if your really relaxed you will get a stronger imaginary heartbeat, feel sensations, vibrations/whatever...! You might get white lights in your eyes like you died and are going down a tunnel. This is normal, you didnt die.
Note: You cannot die doing this. If your physical body's heart rate gets too fast for some reason cause you mess around in the feeling of projecting state, you will just wake up. Do not try and screw yourself over, your willpower could cause that, other then that your completly safe (Willpower is you thinking you have a problem, and your super-smart body pseudo-creates it).

The sensation, I promise will stop 99.9% of you on the first time. It feels like an anxiety attack (or at least close to it, if not stronger, so I was use to it. I still didn't project on my first few times and I'm used to it!).

Lastly, some people can naturally do it. Dont ask. Just keep trying, YOU WILL DO IT!


Part Two
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Grow the immune system? Do you mean make stronger in the physical or astral realm?

Also, is it possible for me, if I enter space, to see a supernova or something spectatular?

For those who have LOTS of projection experience, can you enter realms above this, like a realm that could blow your mind if you try and understand it, or a soul realm/pure white + soothing realm that you never wanna come back from cause its so good?

Should I stay out long during the initial phases on my first time?

Any tips for a newbiejector (nub astral-projector, like me) to help me understand it easier?

what are the first signs ap?like when you do it,whats the first thing that like jumps and out says hey,i'm APing,whats the first thing ?

how would one open their Chakras? i would like to know so i may try this energy thing. i have gotten very close to projecting and i also use the rope technique to help me it seems to do well.

"Now I personally, for the rope, grab it at my joints" by that do u mean like hug it or something?

Okay, well, I don't know what my problem is. Usually when I read someone else's guide they go so far into it that I think I'm not making any progress when I try it. I tried last night (keep in mind that I have never succeeded, intentionally) and I definately felt some things. Some vibrations, fast pulse, and once even white light, but just once. I usually end up falling asleep when I try. I was just relaxing and trying what someone else had suggested (imagining that I was standing in a corner of my bed room.) Well, I was doing that for quite some time, trying my hardest not to let my internal dialogue interfere. It was a little tricky to imagine. So, instead of being in a corner of the room, I imagined just standing beside myself in my bed, and moving my hands around my (laying down) body. That's when I started feeling a significantly more powerful feeling. The light, SOME vibrations, and the fast pulse. But, OF COURSE, ended up passing out again!! So, when you guys all talk about "When you're finally floating above your bead" or something like that, are you saying that you are still "awake" when that is happening?? I'm confused. Some say to make SURE that it's the last thing you think about before you sleep. And others say you're awak. So, which is which? And which is more suitable for me? I mean, when I succeed, will I be awake and having an OBE at the same time, but using my astral body because that's where my consciousness (spelling) is? PLEASE someone respond ASAP so I can have a better idea of what I'm doing when I try again tonight. And.. be thorough.. ...

Thanks So Much,
Charmagne

To test if your in the astral world or not, try blinking. Astrally I dont think you can.

If you tend to fall asleep a lot, try it through the day. At worst if you fail you get re-energized by sleep (?).

Also, if you have problems falling asleep, try the rope method I posted. If you do it right, you will be out of your body in 5-10 minutes, provided you have practice and open energy channels.

Heya im new to u-m as you can probably see.. well not new as such but this is my first post Anyway ive been trying tp A-p for a while now with no luck. Ive tried the getting up and 4.30 in the morning technique and no luck..thing is everytime i get to the stage with vibrations i either fall asleep or i cant work out wether im just dreaming the whole thing or not All in all you have one confused person here lol. So im going to try the rope technique tonight and ill see if that brings and more luck than i have been having lol.
I think i have developed some sort of a block against it. The second time i ever attepted it i almost did but i got scared and like.. chickend out i guess.. ever since then ive had no luck.. Any ideas on how to get past this?

Keep trying and ull get it.

yea also i have had my second lucid dream after recording my dreams for like 2 months now. since i was in some park ithere were no windows so i just tried to say to myslef to astral travel and to leave my body but to no avail. i ended up trying to fly then sliping back into a normal dream and waking up but ill keep trying. anyone know ne tips on how to project while in a dream besides jumping through a window?

hmm.. i tend to lucid dream quite a bit for some reason.. but i have never been able to project out of a lucid dream or otherwise so i cant help you sorry

welcome to UM

You cant develop a block against it
Do not stop because you dont get it. EVENTUALLY YOU WILL GET PAST IT.
My story: I was scared everything to AP cause of my heart rate, but I found out it wasn't even my heart beating fast. Nothing bad can happen to you. Eventually, after about a week, I got used to it, and advanced forward. You can too! Keep trying.
Go here: http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65


I heard if you just think "I am astral projecting" then you will. Personally, it is best to manually (consciously) do it.
Try this as well: http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65

It seems like every time i try to lucid dream, i end up astral projecting instead. Is there a way to use AP to start a lucid dream?

Why would you want to do that?

Well it wouldnt surprise me if i did
Well i tried again last night but i couldnt seem to concentrate or relax so i was just lying awake for ages.. and then i fell asleep ....
Thanks for that link Im reading through it now its going to take me a while... im probably going to print it off lol Well ill try again later and see if i can do any better ...

Thanks

Yeah just print it off, though thats a lot of ink

Because I like having a dream scene and people to interact with. in astral travel im almost always alone, or the people are all twisted and weird. can you do that in astral travel?

I think if you master astral travel, you can raise in dimensions to other levels. Someone said they can go out with a partner.

IF you do project during sleep, you might meet people in your sleep that you know...

Once you get used to the astral realm and the distorted view, you wont see twisted and weird things as much.

Lastly, if you master the astral area, I heard you can go to a higher better level... one where its so good you dont want to come back from.
Thats just me though

That makes sense. there definitely is a distorted view for me right now, kind of freaky. Ill just get used to it and accept what comes.

yeah.. woah that took ages to print lol
Im reading through it again now.. there is loads lol
Ill try again tonight and see if anything different happens

Dont do it at bedtime. This is the first time at night I fell asleep trying to do it.

lol bedtime is the only time i get any peace in my house..its like a nuthouse every other time of day.

Sublime,

If there is someone in particular you'd like to meet during AP, think about him/her during meditation. Yes, it is possible, and you'll sometimes find that people in your life with whom you have serious issues are far more pleasant toward you in the astral. One gentleman I met earlier this year who was unwaveringly stoic in person, yet with vast AP experience, was bawling when he visited me in spirit.

Encountering entities you describe as twisted and weird could be a result of your own fear. How do you imagine the astral plane? Do you prefer spending time alone? Do you tend to be suspicious of others rather than trusting them until they give you reason not to? These are questions for you to answer privately. I only ask because what you experience during astral travel has a lot to do with what you expect. I'm no Bible scholar, but the proverb, "You reap what you sow", holds true during AP.

Astral Kiddies.

last night i tried raising my energy in my charkas i sorta felt a tingly feeling but i dident try and astral travel though i should have but o well

I heard that when you see people that are dreaming they make look weird or drunk, that might be what you are seeing.

I have almost AP'd but sadly, I got awaken by my own mind questioning me why I'm having this visions when I'm supposed to be sleeping and I was definitely asleep at that time. My waking up inside while asleep causes my eyes to open up which wakes me up.

If you experience that, your close!
You may regret it since its sometimes hard to get to

yea since ive raised my energy that 1 time earlier 1 of my charkas keeps pulsating
off and on it feels wierd ane every once and a while like in my leg on the thy s musle goes nuts and and pulsates and i have no control of it and it happens every once in a while

How do YOU raise your energy?

Try this as well: http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65
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some one posted a web site on the page b4 this and it tells you about astral projection very long read but tells alot and if you are a noob like me who wishes to lear how to travel then it is very helpful

Nice link you provided. Very insightful!

dont thank me thank cjk10000 also i tried again earlier this morring and i did pretty good i felt this wierd sensation and i was doing the rope tecnique but after like 36 min i had to scrach all my itches and then just went back to sleep. is there any way to get around feeling all this itcheiness( i cant spell)

lol

right when u said the word "itch", i had one, and was forced to scratch my head and neck.

your thinking about it 2 much, try not to think about itching.... it sounds hard,but try to stay positive. I have the same problem 2.

Your getting closer. I notice this annoying pulse in my foot
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Where the colored line is, on my poorly drawn foot, is where I get a strong pulse when is start activiating chakras. Then it spreads over my body, and I can AP easier

Ive been trying for the past few days but it takes a good 30-40 minutes for me to do so and people make noise in the house every 5 minutes.

I really need a sound proof room to do it again...

KEEP TRYING, YOU WILL SUCCEED

Meditate and learn to concentrate past these noises. Then you will be more able to project.