I know this sounds retarded but I'm actually afraid to try.

I've wondered what it would be like but I just can't bring myself past the fear to give it a shot..

Maybe one day though. When I get brave enough!

It's pheonominal, don't worry, nothing can happen unless you do something really stupid, like provoke a demon which will then folow you to your physical body...

Oh hell!!


So has anyone encountered anything evil on their experiences then?

Plenty, but I was looking for it...

well i have read that if you ever have encountered a demon or evil spirit you just have to think positive thoughts and embrace it with love they thrive on hate and negative thoughts

That is a BS claim. I have tried it, they are utterly incapable of comprehending those emotions, their like spiders, no emotion.

EDIT: If you are going to kill it with love than you must call upon the love of whatever God(s) you pray to, because it is divinly inspired it has effect...

ewwww! How scary!!!

well then ill have 2 resort to fist 2 demon contact or foot in ass contact

To prove the reality of this requires a minimum of two people. One person to do it the other to make up cards, paper with symbols on much like when testing for telekinesis. If you get over half then you maybe onto something, but I guess MOST people wouldn't get anywhere near this!

I can't do any of this as I find much of this stuff too hard to believe, and most borders on the rediculous. The only thing I can get my head around (sort of) is Remote Viewing. Someone RV'd death once and said two being come to take you. One for your thoughts and the other for your soul. You can also refuse to be taken - apparently. If you can justify good enough reason.

I've never experienced Ghosts, Angels, UFO's etc etc. Doesn't mean they don't exist but doesn't mean they do either.

Hi,

Its been a long read. Some posts have been interesting and most were superficial. Socrates, you seem to have opened the Pandoras box here.
Most here dont even know what Astral travel is and how to use it.
Everyone has the right to learn this but with the guidance of a Master. Somehow you have come here and given them the "fastfood" version of the techniques. No wonder there is so much confusion and vague descriptions of astral travel.
A true teacher accepts responsibility for what he teaches and whom he teaches it too. But I guess it wouldnt have bothered you any less what people are doing. Astral travel is not the trip to disneyland.

Nevertheless, these posts do have entertainment value.

P.S: Anything can be taught..LOL! There are classes for Dog Yoga.
What next?? I guess nothing is sacred anymore.

What a constructive post. Nevertheless, I agree with you to a degree. Even if it is not a trip to Disneyland, can you not see why people desire to experience it? Myself included naturally, as my experiences have been quite random and very short. However, the problem is that the only way to learn, that I know of, is by myself.

Here the BEST link or online article Ive ever read about OBE's. It will answer most if not all you questions and make you understand everything about it. Its extremely detail and full of info.... Enjoy!

This is a very interesting subject and its nice to see so many others interested.

Open with Adobe Reader.
http://www.spirit-quest.ca/Spirit-Quest.pdf

Ofcourse I can see the desire to experience astral travel. However you miss the point. These are esoteric sciences and hence passed on from Master to pupil under direct supervision. Also they are to be done under some strict gudelines.
For example, pupils are asked to eat light vegan food, exercise lightly, meditate and chant or focus the mind on some divine entity (depending on your religion),,, etc etc etc.
There is a reason for it as you cannot do this after you have just watched Buffy the Vampire slayer before you went to bed. These type of practices affect the Mind and if not done under the right conditions and direct supervision can cause hallucination, depression and even madness in extreme cases because the people are not ready to handle it.
Ok, I will grant that almost 90% people here will never experience the astral travel and most probably are just dreaming. But the point remains.

No one bothered to wonder here why ancient masters passed on the knowledge by word of mouth and supervised their pupils. But this knowledge has lost its sanctity and is being prepackaged to accomodate every lifestyle and budget without any responsibility.

Anyway, who cares. Maybe I shouldnt bother, but maybe someone might read this and decide to use his comman sense.

I recently read somewhere that a guy jumped off a building and when the police investigated to check if it was a suicide, they came to know that he was trying to imitate someone from a movie he was watching. Apparently the hero was flying over building tops... LOL.

Some people just dont get the fine print, they need something larger.

man ill pay u 20 bucks 2 come down 2 my house and teach me im 100%serious and all i got is 20 bucks but it seems you know alot about this topic so could you enlightin us?

I haven't really read all 51 pages ive only read page 1 and 51 but could anything terrible happen during an astral projection?

I readed 51 pages.
I tried last night, my right eyelid had a muscle contraction. I could not go on but I'm still happy because it seems to be a sign.

Eventually you will learn to deal with it.
I HIGHLY suggest cutting out sugar and eating healthy for the best benefits




NOTHING bad can happen. The worst thing is you getting drained of your energy. In the worst case scenario, after you project, you appear in your body without being able to move for a few seconds, this scares most people, but its your soul rushing back to your body.
You CANNNOT:
- die
- lose your body
- be harmed in the astral world
- sever your cord (unless someone kills you in real lfie)
- anything else insane you may think

you CAN however, be harmed by astral entities once you get back into the physical realm. be careful where you astral travel to.

so what can happen aticus, and how is it prevented? how would astral entities harm you? how am i to be careful on where to go?

Henzwang,

Anyone who is harmed physically by a non-physical entity feels somehow deserving of it, or permits it, through fear, guilt, depression, and most of all hate. Few accept that hate is directed inward. I'll catch hell from EDW74 if he should return to UM and read this post, but the best defense against negative energy is love.

Sigh, didnt I adress that last page? Love does no good...

Yeah, as long as you have a pure heart, and you dont go around with some negative intention, don't be scared. At worst you can lose energy.



Also: How do I bypass the increase heart rate before I project?

You don't.

Ok I haven't read thru the entire thread yet but I have a question:

If you already see "spirits" in your room on occasion is it safe to try astral projection in THAT room?

Or will it possibly make things worse as far as seeing things in that same room, or perhaps even have to confront whatever it is that you've seen?

It depends entierly on what is seen.

Well it's hard to say what exactly I've been seeing. Sometimes it's things crawling up the wall (shadow creatures?), sometimes just a feeling (of a presence) that someone is there.

All I know is I most certainly don't want to face whatever it is. It's not a pleasant feeling when I do see these things.

Do you view these things clairvoyantly? While in a trance?

No, it's usually in the early morning that most of these things happen (Between 1-4 am)

I just wake up out of nowhere and "see" things.

As for the feelings of other presences in the house it happens at any time of the day. I can just tell.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, should you find a "safe" place to try astral travel or does it really not matter?

Kariudo115,

I speak of self love. Like hate, love is directed inward and provides oneself with a heightened sense of emotional and spiritual strength. I didn't say that the entities received the love.

When one is depressed or hating him/herself (As most anyone infested with malevolent energy is), it's not that the external energy is stronger, but that the individual feels weak relative to the circumstances. It's analogous to an olympic swimmer bobbing in the ocean letting the waves crash upon himself, firmly believing that he has lost his ability to paddle ashore.

You spoke of killing entities. Kill energy? Please elaborate.

'Demon' is a label meant to frighten people into believing that there is energy they cannot face without theocratic liaisons or psychics for hire. You're entitled to your beliefs regarding the power of divine love over self love, but I'm speaking from lengthy personal experience with the teachers, or demons as you call them.

Question: What are these spirits and "guides" sopose to be? Dead people's soul"s? ANgels?

Fair enough, good post. I think you have many very good points.

I read this thread up until page 40-ish, then rejoined in the last few pages.

I believe that astral travel "exists," but have yet to experience it myself.


My question is pertaining to symbology/astrology.

Do any of you guys use symbols, such as representations of star constellations, or special colors, or geometrical shapes, to attract energy?

Whether it aids you in astral travel or not, if you have any experience with the use of symbols to attract energy to a certain place (or to yourself), or any interesting stories about it, please post them.


I recently read through much of "The Biggest Secret" by David Icke, and (although I'm skeptical of some of his work) I find his descriptions of the use of symbols in relation to energy to be very fascinating.



The reason I ask this is not only out of curiosity, but also out of a hope that perhaps I could attract more energy to myself that would aid me in astral travel, or other forms of psycho-stuff.

Cadetak47,

The answers you'll receive here will be so varied that you won't know whom to believe. The souls one encounters may be of people who have passed or of those who are currently living. I have been in the presence of both, and had each type of experience corroborated at some point, but that is not your proof.

While I can't confirm this, I believe, as we are all entities stemming from The Source, that we can expand the energy field of our own souls, even branch off. Unlike some others, I don't view the energy (Positive or negative) produced from our imagination as a degraded form lacking the elements of a human soul. It is all Source energy no matter how one slices it. Calling one an angel is to place it above oneself, contributing to a sense of weakness. To define it as a demon carries the same emotional consequence. Think of it this way: why would God want to harm Himself? If He did have the desire, then He would harm Himself. Ergo, people are beating themselves up without realizing it.

Hello, TheSilver,

I've always relied upon raw emotion, but if the visualizations help you to overcome any fear and prevent yourself from over-thinking or panicking once you achieve sleep paralysis, it's worth a shot.

On a physiological note, in addition to avoiding high quantities of sugar as recently posted, caffeine and any other stimulants may also hinder your ability to reach the necessary state of relaxation.

has anyone here ap'd while their body is not in a north - south axis? i've read that if your head is north it helps but i've only done it with feet north and head south...

I tried it last night before i fell asleep. i was laying around and saying "I am going to astral travel" over and over again and imagining myself standing in the corner of my room. eventually I felt like I was sinking and started hearing weird noises, my body felt colder and numb. is this any sign of anything?

The numbness is consistent with sleep paralysis. Sinking meant you were on the verge of rising from your body. Did you hear electrical sounds, or was it more of a rumbling noise coupled with shuddering sensations?

Funny you should ask. The only time I slept in a bed that was not oriented north/south was in college. I never achieved AP from that bed, but from the couch in my living room that faced north to south. Hmm...

I don't really remember it was like garbled noise

Maybe it has something to do with the magnetic poles?

I tried, and found when I am pointed more toward the (head at north) and (feet at south) i actually go somewhere.

Also, any sensations are good. Vibrations dont seem to scare me as much, as much as the rapid heart rate does :/

humm maby i should lay north 2 south 2 nite

I've read that the rapid heart rate is simply the chakra near your heart vibrating, not your heart beating faster, so don't worry, I guess.

The only thing that scares me about astral projecting is the fear of duality ocurring. I don't like the idea of myself watching me watch myself watching me watch myself watching me.

Thats what I read, but damn it felt like my acutal heart was racing. I could feel the pulses so, well, perfectly.


Unfortunately, my ignorant family makes it so getting a chance to astral project, super-rare.
Damn house...

Check this out

Thanks for the story of your life. It is nice to know that more are able to OBE. I gives confidence to those you are trying to OBE. I'm still trying.

I'm tired of asking this question. So here it goes, one more time:
Note, the answer to this question will forever affect my opinion on Astral Projection.

Can you prove that you can astral project to me? Doing this will allow me to project more easily, that way I have far less doubts.

I don't believe anyone can prove astral projecting is real, unless you prove it to yourself. I personally have never done it, in turn I am skeptical about it. If and when I succeed in astral projecting, I will believe.

Why wouldn't they be able to? Some claim to see things in the physical world that can be verified by an outside source. That's all they have to do. I can't prove it to myself, because I'm too skeptical.

Even though I'm skeptical, the idea of astral projecting, providing it's real, excites and tickles me deep down within my colon. With that said, if someone can project and tell me what im wearing tonight at work, super 8 in kingston NY, I will become a believer.