I feel very tempted to try this. Although a strong disbelief that Im sure no conventional means can clear up blocks my mind. Belive me, I REALLY do want to believe, but Ive always hindered away from ANYTHING spiritual because I just got so much fear in things that sre not physical. Can you at least see physical beings while in this state?( I wonder if anyone is spying on me now then). And could the so called "Ghosts and angels" see the physical too? Another thing, sometimes I see my cats staring at what at the time seems to be nothing, do animals have greater perception of the astral plane than humans or do I just have really dumb cats? And If I ever am able to atral travel, I have a great fear in asking others to travel with me might ridicule me. Any suggestions would be greatly apreaciated. Oh, another thing, do things look diferent in the astral plane, like a blue or red tint or does it look exactly like the physical world?

Arbiter22,

How do you view dreams? Spiritual or cerebral? Your physical eyes are closed while you dream, so are you seeing via memories in your opinion or with your third eye? Most of the "expert" testimony I've read on the topic of AP points to dreams as an unconscious form of AP. Additionally, if dreams are our own, then why are we scaring ourselves with nightmares, and why are the events so seldom under our control?

Try this dream experiment with someone you trust in discussing these topics:

It may take months or up to year before you have any results, because it's going to depend upon your ability and that of the participant to remember any dreams you may share. Here is the experiment: write down whatever you remember from the dream(s) and ask the other person what he/she remembered, if anything. You may find yourself dreaming of someone with whom you haven't spoken for months, only to discover them contacting you the following day. No kidding.



Any soul, connected to a body or not, has the potential to see anything. The question you have to ask yourself is how interested they'd be in whatever you are doing, or if they'd be doing anything much different than yourself. As Socrates has stated, those who practice mischief, or spy for malicious reasons, will likely surround themselves with negative energy through their own guilt and shame.



Cats, dogs, and other animals don't have all the electronic distractions or fear mongering to hinder their spiritual growth.



Some objects and structures are as they appear in the physical (And were most likely created first in the astral), but, as examples, I've seen entire neighborhoods floating in space, and complexes without roofs (Why would they need them?) where souls waved at me and smiled as I soared above. I've been to a place where electrical arcs surrounded me. Some might have found the sights and sounds horrifying, but I thought it was glorious. You may be wondering why domiciles would be necessary at all. They aren't, but consider all the earthly inventions that exceed the parameters of basic need.

That deep huh? Very well. I am inclined to experiment at my leisure. I have always been facinated with things normally percieved as "unbelievable". If these floating neighbourhoods and roofless stuctures do indeed populate the astral plane, I may enjoy the visit. But if nothing is truely as it seems, I may never go back. As whithin the realm of spirits should I encounter trouble, I may never go back. But if the astral figures that surround me are decent, that being little or no evil or at least good natured, I may go back. If things truely extrordinary do indeed exist whithin that very existence, things beyond my or anybody else's imagination, wonderful things, I may go back. But in any case, I would most likely not accept the astral plane as my second dominion. It is very interesting, but I have grown too acusstomed to life in the physical world by now. I do wonder, how many questions will be answered in the astral plane? And would my visit affect my view on "normal" life? And, if I may ask, what beings do populate the spirit realm? Humanoids and animal forms I know, angels and demons I know, ghosts and spirits I know, but anything truely awsome? Furthur insight is requested.

And one more thing, and this might be misinterpreted as a joke but listen up. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!! What if I have to pee or some s**t in the astral plane?

I felt something like that when i went over for a sleepover. I saw these wierd creatures, and they were in front of me. That were transparent, shiny, goldish clear and i was still in my sleepingbag staring at them. BUT i think i was dreaming

I think something that is important for AP(or at least helpful) is to keep your body pure. Instead of drinking cokes and eating chocolate and candy and crap, drink water, and eat more veggies. It keeps you body pure, and your body I believe is somehow linked with your other bodies, it's the same way drugs affect AP. Apparently, after doing drugs it is real hard to AP. That's what I've heard anyways. I would suggest meditating and eating healthy for a couple weeks, practicing AP every nite. Try not to eat before about 3 hours before you try to AP. Drink plenty of water, keep your body healthy. It will help your physical body, as well as your astral one.

It's free and won't require too much effort on your part.

By the way, I looked up the name of a webmaster whose forum I used to frequent, and he continues to conduct astral projection workshops. Upon reading that one woman spent two years under his direction before achieving AP, I would not advise anyone to spend money toward learning first-hand of his/her pure, energy form. A number of people purchase books and instruction guides, but there's so much information on the web that one can easily merge the tips and techniques that are common to each alleged expert.



Anything you encounter that may scare you is intended to teach. My fear of dogs and arachnophobia are gone as a direct result of sleep paralysis and AP interactions.

Rather than resigning yourself never to return to the astral (Return is inevitable) upon witnessing something unsettling, I suggest dealing with the emotions and/or past occurrences that led to the fear, phobia, or insecurity.



Allow me to answer the demon issue with a question... If you were thinking of moving to a new city, and were told that every dwelling was rat infested, what would be your primary focus? Are you going to admire the oak cabinets in the kitchen or worry how many rodents will fall at your feet upon opening them? I won't belabor the point I made earlier about angels and demons, but ask yourself what is more important to you: your faith in scripture, or your faith in yourself?



How truly awesome would you like it to be? Creation and imagination are not mutually exclusive. You have to figure that the universe, and whatever lies beyond, was not generated by logic alone. And as for the metaphysical: was it ever "created", or has it always existed? Neither model is logical. The former is something created from nothing, while the latter is a matter of timelessness.

The structural/material elements are not what I find the most fascinating about the astral. Two or three weeks following my childhood friend's father's death, I projected and visited him at the astral representation of his former home. I'd admired his morality, kindness, and generosity throughout my life, but never took the opportunity to tell him. Souls are laid bare in the astral, and it's because of this that I shared my feelings with another man in a way that few would ever do in life. I hugged him, and he reciprocated. A physical hug doesn't compare to one between souls.

To answer your question about the visit affecting your view of "normal" life, I don't doubt that it will. Now, you can take the philosophy of a former acquaintance of mine (Well into middle age) and pout for having returned to your body, or you can continue enjoying your physical life and accept that you will return soon enough. Emotional interaction with other souls is the best part of projection in my opinion, and that can still be found in the physical realm. The major difference is the intellectual obstacles of the brain in reaching others' souls, which doesn't apply on the astral plane. But that renders it a game, and games have their place.



I assume you mean your physical body, because astral bodily functions don't entail excretion. If your body is in any form of distress, bladder / bowel urges for instance, you will return to remedy it. Chances are if you went to bed or entered meditation with moving bowels or a full bladder, you wouldn't reach a deep enough state of relaxation anyway. Long story short, don't worry.

hello, i am new to this link. i would really like to try this. theres one thing have have a question about though. what is the point of astral travel? can i do this and go to my friends house in my dream? whats the difference from astral traveling and dreaming?

dreaming is dreaming and astral travel is real its your spirtual body leaving your real body i think

So then, the Native Americans were right all along. Damn, I wish I took more classes partaking the native-americans. And this has nothing to do with the video-game Prey. Prey inhibits a very negative direction towards the spirit realm. As well as a native-american as the lead. So the pot smokin guys were right too? Nah, i'm kiddin. But as for the rats and cabinet thing. I would first admire the cabinet, but dodge any falling rodents, or anything falling for that matter. Thanks man.

Does this have anything to do with the WingMakers?

No, I cant say it does....

Thanks that helps a lot they are a........ strange group.

Hi, Leah,

I'm going to leave this one to those with more experience than myself, but I had one dream that amounted to remote viewing over a year ago (Confirmed by my co-worker upon returning from her gambling trip), and two flying dreams that resulted in being contacted by my friends, about whom I dreamt, the following day.

For now, I'll step out on a limb with a theory. I've read that we all leave our bodies during sleep, consciously or unconsciously, and the dream state may be a replay of what we gathered during our out of body travels. This would explain why we so seldom control the events, and are sometimes mere observers. In the case of lucid dreams, especially flying dreams, I assume that they amount to conscious AP, even though one may not recall entering sleep paralysis.

I HOPE THAT DREAM HYPOTHESIS AINT TRUE! Damn, man. I just had a nightmare last night that had me joining some sort of secret military service. They didn't even speak english but it weird I understood them. They set us in a jungle type environment. Exept, well, this was very... mystical. Floating rocks, mangled trees, weird animal life. But we were trying to kill the enemy, which was one of the scariest things ever. These things could just dissapear into thin air, they had freakin sharp as hell clawas and teeth and moved like nothing I seen before. I for one am surprised that I would have the mind to create things this extraordinary. I wish I could go into more detail but its too hard for me to explain. I can say we lost about 6 troops out of 10.

I HOPE THAT DREAM HYPOTHESIS AINT TRUE! Damn, man. I just had a nightmare last night that had me joining some sort of secret military service. They didn't even speak english but it weird I understood them. They set us in a jungle type environment. Exept, well, this was very... mystical. Floating rocks, mangled trees, weird animal life. But we were trying to kill the enemy, which was one of the scariest things ever. These things could just dissapear into thin air, they had freakin sharp as hell clawas and teeth and moved like nothing I seen before. I for one am surprised that I would have the mind to create things this extraordinary. I wish I could go into more detail but its too hard for me to explain. I can say we lost about 6 troops out of 10.

Note- Sorry if this is a double post but the boards were showing that I havent replied to this.

we could visit like area 51 and stuff never thought of that. though if my assumption is correct the government has researched astral travel secretly and has some sort of guard in place...

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

Yeah......Ive found my answer.

you totally got that from the prelude from books of blod by clive barker... or maybe you just think a lot like him. anyone agree? btw since 7up is all natural now would it hinder our ability to ap?

Actually, It's the very first paragraph of the book Call of Cthulhu by H.P. Lovecraft. Awesome book. And its best to just avaid all soft drinks if you don't want to hinder your ability to AP.

Sorry, Henzwang. High fructose corn syrup is all natural, and remains an ingredient in 7up. If your blood sugar level is too high, it has an impact upon your circulatory system. Remember what you said about being cold during sleep paralysis?

You can't remain healthy by cutting sugar from your diet altogether, but what you receive from fruit and breads is sufficient. Soda and candy are bad news. The benefits of chocolate, if consumed on a daily basis, are outweighed by the detriments of excess sugar and fat.

godammit i hate it when you guys get all serious about stuff. i was being facetious.

thans but i have a few quick questions... what is a lucid dream? also what is concious AP? Also why dont we remember ?

Haha! Fear not... I won't waste time lecturing you about relaxation in this instance.

A lucid dream is one in which you are fully aware that you are dreaming and exercise control over your actions.



Conscious AP, as I'd define it, would be an awareness of leaving one's body, normally preceded by sleep paraylsis. As time has passed, sleep paralysis is no longer traumatic or of extended duration as it was for me in the beginning. Are dreams an unconscious form of AP or a memory of projections we forgot? Who knows? It is funny that people in general are so quick to assign mundane explanations to dreams on the basis of little else besides the agreement in naming convention. "It was just a dream" doesn't cut it for me, especially since modern medicine has such a limited understanding of human emotions and their power.



That's a very good question. Do we block it out due to trauma, as in the case of nightmares? Is it that we're receiving too much stimuli in a brief period of time, so we forget the information as we would following a test for which we crammed? Some people I've met have no interest in dreams whatsoever (Much less AP), and a select few are terrified of the phenomenon entirely. I can testify to experiencing heightened recall in my senior year of high school when my psychology teacher had the class maintain dream journals.

I've had enough odd and amazing dreams to know that they're not always solo experiences. A few dreams I've had in recent years served as portals to AP. Simply looking at a particular object or at a person/entity triggered sleep paralysis, after which I ejected from the dream, ultimately my body. Hence, yet another reason why I don't discount a dream as "just a dream".

One of the best suggestions I can offer people is to deal with any fears or phobias to the best of their ability to limit/eliminate nightmares and clear the way for more meaningful dream encounters. And, of course, the journal seemed to help earlier in my exploration.

does everything look the same when APing,?are you wearing the clothes you wore when you did it??is there other methods of doing it?

well i think that everything looks like a greyish ans is very eyecatching or something and i hope everyone is wearing clothes god that would be awkard.


i almost projected i think i would have cuse i just woke up and i dident open my eyes or move so i was in the state where im half into it but concious and i tried but my family was jumpin around dam ppl

Your superficial appearance, in terms of dress and grooming, may vary. During a recent projection, I found myself wearing my old paper route gloves upon reaching my arm forward to pat a guy on the shoulder. Having encountered a couple of canines typically bred as attack dogs during that projection (Though not behaving in a threatening manner), the gloves made sense. When I was 13, I was knocked onto the sidewalk and bitten by one of the dogs on my route.

My friend from out of state, who used to visit me in spirit frequently between '99 and '01, said that the face of my soul had no beard, though my physical body did at the time. Vanity is so far removed from my character that I can probably attribute my superficial image to the fact that I so seldom look in the mirror. It's not as if I have to worry about cases of the frizzies anymore. Hair is a prerequisite.

The friend and I exchanged E-mails on a semi-daily basis for over a year and a half regarding our spiritual meetings and some of her past experiences, so I have my own personal proof that these occurrences are not merely in one's head. I must say, however, it's a shock to have someone declare "I can find anyone, anywhere.", and deliver results that same evening without knowing my address. It's a good thing I'd tackled vanity already because I had my work cut out for me concerning misconceived notions of privacy. She felt guilty about seeing me disrobed at one point, but we'd already been more intimate than most would ever expect to be, so I told her that it didn't matter. She was quite relieved.

I've read the "WANTED: Astral Travelers, Please" thread, and while I'm fully aware that my testimony is purely anecdotal as AI Guardian stated, the denial among skeptics and cynics is usually so thick that scientific evidence is dismissed just as easily. The Randi challenge doesn't interest me, and the carrot-dangling circus acts accomplish nothing except flushing the public view of supernatural abilities down the toilet where it was at the height of the Salem Witch Trials.



If a healthy, caffeine-free diet isn't helping, and meditation doesn't appeal to you, try abstinence for a few days as a test. It may seem illogical, but the sacrifice in relaxation will be balanced accordingly with an increase in desire. I'm referring to desire for entertainment and excitement in general, not sexual desire specifically.

thank you very much by the way do u have any tips on how to relax. What i mean is how do you relax before you astrol project?

Below is an effective exercise to do right before bed. It doesn't take much time, and I've found that it improves sleep quality.

• Lie down on your back on a comfortable surface
• Place your arms at your sides
• Curl your toes downward until you feel a minor burning, but not to the extent that it hurts
• Hold for a count of 10 seconds
• Relax, and rest for a count of 10
  [Follow steps 4 and 5 for each muscle group; achieving the burning sensation without pain also applies]
• Curl your toes upward
• Flex your calves
• " " thigh muscles
• " " buttocks
• " " abs
• " " pectorals
• Make fists while simultaneously flexing your biceps and forearms
• Close your eyes tightly

Remain in place for whatever length of time is desired, or let yourself fall asleep.

FrankBlunt
thank you very much. i tried it and it worked pretty good. How long have you been astrol projecting? im just curious.

You're welcome, Leah. That exercise has a yin yang effect. Did you notice how much more tranquil the relaxation was following the brief exertions? I usually feel pleasantly numb for several minutes following the process. As you progress, try exploiting the numbness to disregard your body entirely during rest. If any emotional stresses are bothering you, let the thoughts flow without dwelling or attempting to repress them.

I've been projecting regularly since '97. While I became familar with the physical factors affecting AP inducement over the years, meditation and familiarity with the sights, sounds, and sensations of sleep paralysis were key.

Best regards,
Brian

ok well i tried some tips and asked a few people about astrol travel and stuff. and for the past 2 weeks about i have been trying everything i could think of. even though i am going through an emotional war, i am doing really well suprisingly. i can go into the astrol plane and all but i am having problems walking up sets of stairs. is it true that you can actually fly in the "A plane" as i like to call it?

thats very good. congratulations War-Junkie!!! It sounds like you did it. Have you been trying since then? Any luck?

Leah

Absolutely. It becomes as natural as walking in the physical. Frankly, I don't think the idea of earning one's wings has aided open-mindedness over the years. Last night, virtually everyone in my view was flying, and that is a rare sight for me. I'm often met with surprise by those who can't imagine themselves soaring through the air.

Believe that you can fly and will yourself into action.

thank your for all of your help!!! I havent been at this long, no more than 2 weeks, but i am doing suprisingly well. I told some of the people i know from the telekinisis board how well i was doing and they said i was lieing. Is it normal to be able to do this in just a little bit over 2 weeks? I am honestly not lieing.
Leah

so your sleeping while your doing it?cause thats what confuses me,are you awake,in between?

Hi wondering if someone got any other methods for [RV] remote viewing i read the get up at 4am posted at start but i live in a house iwth 5 people and i dont think seting the alarm for 4am will go down very well XD

I cant seem to get the hang of this..
I get to about half way and fall asleep..
*is annoyed*

hey i don't know what is going on or this is astral traveling or what but maybe u all can give me some information about what is happening to me.

This happened about 5 times total...the other 3 times happened awhile ago but the two times that it happened was today ((8-7-06)) and yesterday ((8-6-06))

well on August 6th i had spent the night at my friends house, and i was meditating ((before bed)) and i fell asleep, well i woke up and i know i was awake but i just couldn't move or anything i remember calling about for my friend but my mouth wouldn't open and i can acutally hear myself scream for her. Then i tried turing on my back and i couldn't i felt like 300 pounds were on me. Then i started to hear lots of voices, but i couldn't see around me because it was pitch black in the room, so i started to panic telling myself to wake up, then i heard a womens voice says "Do you think she is going to doubt us?" and there was other voices that joined in, but i can't remmeber what they said..just her..then finally i woke up from a jolt

Today i went to my room and fell asleep, i fell asleep thinking of something i just don't remember what, then i opened my eyes i know i was awake and not dreaming, i tried turning to my back (( i was laying on my side)) but i couldn't turn i didn't have the strength to, and i rmemeber telling myself "damn here we go again" then i started to fear alot, i started to hear a mans voice, he sounded mad i think..then a womens voice, but see i can't remember what they say. I was trying to turn around to see who was behind me cuz i can feel a presence but something told me not to even try and look back, then i started to feel heat and ALOT of energy and i felt a jolt in the middle of my minds eye and i saw a briiiight white light thru my eye lids and i started to have this dream, i was at a pool..thats all i can remember then i snapped out of it and i opened my eyes and still couldn't turn around. Then i felt another heat come all over my body and i started to hear this Electronic noise..and it was making a slow low buzz...and i can feel myself breathing..and i had a big rush..then finally i jolted awake...what was going on? can anyone help me? cuz everytime i have these things i fear and i panic like crazy, i thought i was going to die for some reason, i started praying and thats when i like snapped out of it i guess, but i just ran out of my room...im like scared to fall asleep because when this happens i don't get like good feelings, i get bad ones and im terrified..can you just give me advice?

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Awesome! I projected for the second time today at noon. I slept for 4 hours the night before because I had to work, so by the time I got home I was really tired. Well, before I went to bed I said an affirmation and sure enough...here's what happened.

^Monique Von Dutch, hope this helps...seems similar in some ways.

Head north, lying on my left side.
Easily fell into a relaxed stated due to my tiredness.
I heard a woman speaking to me or a class, though she was the only person I heard, besides my own thoughts. She was teaching something, and I think it was how to prove astral projection exists, but I now remember nothing she said.
I then thought, whoa...am I making this woman's voice and words up in my head, or am I really listening to someone speak?
IMMEDIATELY following this thought...
I heard sound beats, kind of like techno...definitely something electric. It sped up perfectly from pretty slow (one a second or so) to really fast over the course of I don't know, maybe 20 seconds or less. It was always of the same note until it peaked higher and higher at which point I was then lightly "pushed" out of my body. The sound sounded really cool, and when I woke up, my ears kind of felt like I just heard some loud music or something, but not pain.
I then floated out, never seeing my physical or astral body, so I don't know what form I took this time. I was completely stoked to me outside of the body and kept thinking...THIS IS AWESOME! I'M FINALLY DOING IT AGAIN! WHERE DO I WANT TO GO NOW?!
What I saw was foggy/blurry, but I made out what looked like a pentagram, with an S in the center. The S looked like the "Starter" logo.
At this point I was either way too excited or had a little bit of fear in me, but I returned to my body, by opening my eyes. I thought, hmm, should I write this down now, or try to go out again?
Then I noticed that something or someone was "breathing!" This was really strange and I've never experienced this before either. It was where my pillow was. My arm was underneath it and my head was on top of it, but it moved up and down in a rhythmic breathing pattern. It was a little freaky but I wasn't freaked out. I let it breath like 5 times then I looked at my pillow and nothing was there, and the breathing stopped.
Maybe it was my astral body refitting itself? Because while it was breathing I didn't move at all, and I've read that sometimes your astral body needs to re-align itself and it may or may not take some time.
Still, even though this OBE was much shorter, it was just as awesome and exciting...but very different. I may have gotten way too excited though, causing a return to the physical.

I think desiring it, not doing drugs in a while, and reading about it has helped me a lot.
Oh, plus I was hungry and didn't eat any meat before.


Edit: the pentagram was on my floor, but I definately didn't think/sense it was anything Satanic...I don't believe in that crap sorry. I don't know what it was though...it's not on my basement floor in the physical. I guess it must be a portal to hell!

Sounds cool, congrats! I haven't had any experiences lately, probably because of work...well, only two more days of work left Then I'm gonna start putting more emphasis on AP again.

So what tecniques you use i said earlier in a post i need more i read the 4am one but i cant set the alarm for 4am in the morning i live in a house with 5 people

A7X,

The body is asleep when it happens. During sleep paralysis, it's essentially a coma-like state. After sleeping for 5 or 6 hours, it's easier for one to reach the level of consciousness where..."I feel like I'm awake but I'm still asleep."

I'd suggest not being overly strict with the 4AM alarm. Whatever time you normally retire for bed, plan on 5 - 6 hours after.

You're always welcome.



You're a quick study, but you must have been in a hurry to get to know yourself.

I think I have posted this elsewhere but never really got an answer. I have just recently started trying again. I am using a subliminal mp3 that alleges to make it eaiser to AP. Now this is the stage I am at.

I have got to teh stage that I no longer feel my body however just before it my face gets all tickly and itchy but I ignore it and then my body kinda goes or I don't notice it.

Then I feel like almost like a lifting I feel as though my heart is beating faster as well but theres no reason for it. and I get really hot as in sweating buckets. I have also heard a voice shouting no legible words yet but just a voice.

then I lose it.. does this make sense to anyone? am I getting close or still miles away...lol any advice would be greatly appreciated.

there must be something in your subconscious mind preventing you from doing it. try the 4' in the morning technique, it's on the first page. also before going to bed do the muscle relaxation that frankblunt mentioned on 56.

um im not so sure that i understand what you mean. sorry. could you please explain?

A question for AP'ers:

1. I tested the "if you feel as if your gonna astral project, try sitting up, you may be surprised"

So I sat up, I didnt AP , BUT my vision looked sorta weird, like smeared for a quick second. Wtf @ that?

2. I watched Final Destination 3 before I tried to AP. This was a huge mistake. Do I have to be in a healthy mental state before I try again?



THAT HAPPENS TO ME TOO. PMG.

The 2 weeks is brief compared to most with whom I've spoken. The 'getting to know yourself' remark was my attempt at levity. In other words, becoming reacquainted with your true self... your soul.