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Kazuma
QUOTE(War-Junkie @ Sep 19 2006, 02:45 PM) [snapback]1356893[/snapback]

i came so close the other night i felt like my legs were tied to a pole and i was spining around and then i heard my blinds on my window click then i said to myself in my head give me a sign if im close and before i finished the though the water bottle next to my bed witch i just drank from when i was going to bed it was mostly full but it had no damage to the structure but it clicked really loudly and it scared the sh** out of me and i jolted and said well ill try later.


The click wasn't the bottle, it was you separating from your body. It's common to hear a very loud noise when you separate. I heard it once, and like you, I got freaked out. grin2.gif Not scared, just really surprised.
totti99
Well, I dont know if this is it but one time I was in my country walking through a long but thin street alot of green around me(also i saw alot of cars), it was so colourfull i thought i was actually there, I woke up thinking, why am I here?!! Wasnt I there, also many times I've tried being somewere else while sleeping, just something I've tried doing even before looking or studying about astral traveling, also at one point i was going to sleep as I was very tired, I was just about to fall asleep when I was stuck between fallen into a deep sleep and staying awake, it was so weird, it was like half my brain was on and the other half was off, weird but oh well....Any thoughts about my experience??!!

Thanks!


I tried to Astral yesterday and it was some experience, I slept and i kept saying "I want to Astral Travel, and I kept thinking i was in the other side of the room, but i didnt concentrate to much on it(didnt wake up at 4am,neither did i sleep on my back), I then get alot of vibrations, it was like something tried to escape my body and I felt a lift up, then suddenly the vibrations stopped, I tried again and again, I failed....But one thing that was strange, I was trying to do it for 2 hours, but in my head it felt like its been 10mins, strange but i bet this is all part of it..? Any advice please?
TheWizzKid
Scary thing = i fighted a deamon while being on Astral ...
it does happen "accidentaly" i believe it is when the body needs rest & the mind (spirit?) does not (happens often in early age 4-15yo ) it has been a while i had Astral experiences
last one i got a clue : its all about willpower.Of corse if your are alseep also helps but is not necessary: you can see what others see (hapened a few times for me while AWAKE) i also feel when somthing is going to be wrong... 911 woke me up after first plane!
i never saw the so called "guide" but im not realy capable of moving around yet ...
i kinda quit after i realised i stopped reintegrating my body a 1-2 inches off my bed. it freaked me specialy after banishing a deamon....

carful with guides may be deamons stealing your body (yess it is possible to posses someone just takes more willpower & is easyer with what i would call compatible bodys (in alternate dimensions ?))


also cord is not realy apropriate rather "magnetic" atraction & compatibility with your body
(i went in many of my either "incarnation" or alternates (in other universes?)
when you slignshot back you kinda go tru a whormhole tunnel.

War-Junkie
when i travel i want to go to the other planets and then solar systems then galaxies. looking 4 life
totti99
Yesterday I tried again, (obvouisly my eyes were shut) i saw like flash lights, i got so scared i just stopped, hopefully ill do it again today...anyone know whats going on with these flash lights?
Kaknelson
The snapping, or elastic sound troubles me also.

I seem to get distracted by it, quickly returning to reality as I think something falls in my room or what have you. Tough phenomenon to get over.
totti99
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Sep 29 2006, 06:33 AM) [snapback]1369985[/snapback]

The snapping, or elastic sound troubles me also.

I seem to get distracted by it, quickly returning to reality as I think something falls in my room or what have you. Tough phenomenon to get over.


Yes thats what I experience when the white flash lights occur. Any suggestions whats going on? Does it mean im closer to Astral?
Onyomi
QUOTE(Socrates @ Jan 25 2006, 11:09 PM) [snapback]1035955[/snapback]

To some of you, the idea of astral travel, (astral projection, OBE) may seem completely insane. It did to me once too. But I decided to try it anyway, and had amazing results.


I have a guestion..when u astral project will u see or met other people where ever they come from on the astral plan...?

Edit: There is no need to make such a huge quote. Just a little of the information with the person's name, like I have done above, is enough. Thanks.
upperroom
I have just stumbled across this and im stunned, this is because i beleive I have astral traveled a few times when i was younger without knowing about the subject. The last time it happened was about a year and a half a go on holiday, i can remember the click very well and the sense of amazing freedom but with a startle of amazing colours. The thing that i don't like about it much is the fact that straight after i (this is the confusing bit, i dont know if im awake or not now) can't physically move my body, its like my body is paralyzed and i get the felling of complete uselessness. I want to try and do this the proper way now, but i want a more calmer trip than before.. In the past this has happend without me expecting it and ive not known what it is, so in that token i thank you for this thread.
Princekamrous
Hey I heard that its harder for teenagers to astral project because they have a stonger electro magnetic field than that of adults. Is this true? And if its is could it be the reason I have a hard time projecting or could I just be trying to hard?
lufia
should be easier prince, i did it 3 times.
Unreality
Yeah, getting used to the sounds and whatnot while trying to AP is hard. I always start wigging out, thinking there is something close to me or I start hearing noises. I guess it all comes with the territory, but it's hard to get past.
Eliz
Hello this sounds so crazy, but interesting, i think my body has tried this before, there are times when im just so tired that my leg jerks, like im kicking a ball or someone is pulling my foot, i ask my husband if he felt that and he says no, i wake up suddenly because it freaks me out, and sometimes it happens again. my question is im afraid of what i may see, im very freaked out about ghosts and dont want to see them. what can i do to relax, also i have woken up several times by hearing a whole bunch of people whispering, is this all in my head or is it real. thank you for taking the time to read this..
Eliz
QUOTE(Eliz @ Oct 4 2006, 04:38 PM) [snapback]1377675[/snapback]

Hello this sounds so crazy, but interesting, i think my body has tried this before, there are times when im just so tired that my leg jerks, like im kicking a ball or someone is pulling my foot, i ask my husband if he felt that and he says no, i wake up suddenly because it freaks me out, and sometimes it happens again. my question is im afraid of what i may see, im very freaked out about ghosts and dont want to see them. what can i do to relax, also i have woken up several times by hearing a whole bunch of people whispering, is this all in my head or is it real. thank you for taking the time to read this..

DO YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS WHAT IT IS, SOMETIMES I HERE A LOUD NOISE, AND ITS SCARES THE HECK OUT OF ME, THEN I HAVE A HARD TIME FALLING ASLEEP.
AriKiya
WOW this is a long thread! I think I've almost done this by accident a few timesbut I never realized this was what it could be. Reading this thread (which took a really, really long time, btw lol), I think I might to try to do it purposely and see what happens.
Unreality
QUOTE(AriKiya @ Oct 5 2006, 10:12 PM) [snapback]1379364[/snapback]

WOW this is a long thread! I think I've almost done this by accident a few timesbut I never realized this was what it could be. Reading this thread (which took a really, really long time, btw lol), I think I might to try to do it purposely and see what happens.


Hehehe, yeah. It's pretty long. I started reading it when it was only 30 pages long(I read the whole 30 pages in one night, I can't imagine reading 60 in one night...)
Ziggy Stardust
Hey Friends,

She's a long thread alright, it's good to see so many people showing an interest in this amazing phenomenon.

I'll be here a few days and would love to answer any questions.
ShaunZero
I'm still too scared to try it. =(
War-Junkie
i gota start trying again im getten lazy. its better to try after you have slept for 6 hrs right? and when you wake up if your laying on you back you should try and and project because you are in a half sleep state or something. also dont open your eyes when you wake up try and move as little as possible.
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(War-Junkie @ Oct 7 2006, 05:38 AM) [snapback]1380971[/snapback]

i gota start trying again im getten lazy. its better to try after you have slept for 6 hrs right? and when you wake up if your laying on you back you should try and and project because you are in a half sleep state or something. also dont open your eyes when you wake up try and move as little as possible.


Yes, it's often best to try having slept beforehand. Opening your eyes does hinder the process, particularly as you leave your body. Keep them closed.
ShaunZero
If your eyes are closed when you project, will your eyes be closed when you are in your astral body?

How exactly does that work O_o.
lufia
^think of it like you got 2 bodies.

btw if your sick and you project would you still feel sick? thanks
Ziggy Stardust
Your astral eyes will always be open when you project. Your physical eyes won't have any effect on them. However, opening your eyes during the process before you leave your body will most likely take you out of your meditative state which is why you should keep them closed.

No, you will not feel sick in your astral body. This is why many people with illness or pain use astral travel as a release.

As you said, the physical and astral bodies are, to put it bluntly, two seperate bodies.
ShaunZero
I just wish I could do it myself, then it'd be easier to believe. What if it is all in our heads though? Just a very vivid dream?
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(Zero of Deism @ Oct 7 2006, 10:17 PM) [snapback]1381533[/snapback]

I just wish I could do it myself, then it'd be easier to believe. What if it is all in our heads though? Just a very vivid dream?


That's a valid question, and I wondered it before I tried projecting myself. Once you've tried it, you'll realize how easy it is to distinguish between dreaming and astral travelling. Astral travel is a fully conscious experience, so you feel as though you are entirely awake.
dreamtraveler
I actually have a question...does the person you are going to see when you astral travel think they are dreaming of you and do they remember it the next day if they do?
Eliz
Hi i have written before, i think my body has been trying to do that, the other day i herd a huge snap sound, freaked me out and i looked around the room bu nothing, then sometimes when i feel myself very tired i feel like a tug on my ankle, almost like im kicking a ball, but i do remember starting to wake up and herd whispering sounds then they were gone, what do you think, is this just a dream?
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(dreamtraveler @ Oct 8 2006, 08:12 AM) [snapback]1381947[/snapback]

I actually have a question...does the person you are going to see when you astral travel think they are dreaming of you and do they remember it the next day if they do?


This is one of the foggier aspects of astral travel; experiences vary widely. When it comes to seeing people while they are astral travelling, some recorded instances talk of the subject being able to see the visitor's astral body, but most don't. Whether or not people see you when you astral travel seems to be based on chance - sometimes the conditions are in your favour, sometimes they aren't.

QUOTE(Eliz @ Oct 9 2006, 01:07 AM) [snapback]1382517[/snapback]

Hi i have written before, i think my body has been trying to do that, the other day i herd a huge snap sound, freaked me out and i looked around the room bu nothing, then sometimes when i feel myself very tired i feel like a tug on my ankle, almost like im kicking a ball, but i do remember starting to wake up and herd whispering sounds then they were gone, what do you think, is this just a dream?


The whispering you are hearing seems to be your most likely sign - strange sounds often signal the transition of the physical into the astral, or a bordering between the two. The tug on your ankle may also be a sign - some subjects occasionally feel a jerk as their astral body is displaced slightly within them.
lufia
i almost did it again. happened to me again 2 days ago, my mom and sister were talking at the kitchen about the party. i was sleeping at the couch and was half way through getting out of my body when i heard that snap and woke up. when i snapped out of it, the convo with my mom and sister was confirmed. grin2.gif . i've never been out of the physical realm yet. when i was obe on the physical realm before it was awesome

QUOTE
No, you will not feel sick in your astral body. This is why many people with illness or pain use astral travel as a release.

thanks
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(lufia @ Oct 9 2006, 11:07 PM) [snapback]1383771[/snapback]

i almost did it again. happened to me again 2 days ago, my mom and sister were talking at the kitchen about the party. i was sleeping at the couch and was half way through getting out of my body when i heard that snap and woke up. when i snapped out of it, the convo with my mom and sister was confirmed. grin2.gif . i've never been out of the physical realm yet. when i was obe on the physical realm before it was awesome
thanks


Congratulations; good to hear you're making progress.
Ziggy Stardust
I should mention to both new and experienced astral travellers that it is imperative you allow your mind time to replenish after an astral experience.

Avid beginners who are attempting to astral travel every night must have 'rest nights', optimally every second night, in which they do not attempt to astral travel and simply sleep. If you do not do this, you will find yourself physically and mentally exhausted. Astral travel is a taxing activity! Do not feel that having rest nights will hinder your progress - if anything, a rested conscience will achieve better results.

Also, make sure you maintain a balance in your life - keep the your physical and social lives in time with your spiritual!
Senkoujin
I have a question:

Before you begin to Astral Travel, your eyes are closed, right?

...well, when you actually project, do you automatically start seeing 'astral world' things knowing that your physical eyes are closed? Does one need to open up their astral body's eyes at a certain point before/after astral travel...hell, are they even closed on the astral body during projection?
Ziggy Stardust
That's another valid question. 9 times out of 10, when you project, your astral eyes will already be open. There are occasionally instances, however, when you may find yourself in pitch darkness after leaving your body. This has happened to me before, and it seems to suggest that your astral eyes are closed. As merely thinking something in the astral realm makes it happen, you need only request that your astral eyes be opened in your thoughts.
Kaknelson
Welcome back Socrates.

Nice to see you dropping by, guiding them and answering their cries.

How are things man, you traveled anywhere special lately? Say, space?

wink2.gif
No lies
Socrates. i dont know what to do. when i " attempt to astral travel " i have very odd dreams and experiances. i know im dreaming and i am completly aware of it. weird things have happend. ive heard my name being called, ive heard odd noises, felt vibrations, etc. fear usualy plagues me.

i'll tell you some of my experiances.
one night i was just very tired...and i was at the point of falling asleep, i started to hear like a vey sharp sonic booom " in my head " and since i have experianced this in the past, i knew what was coming. when this " sonic boom " accures, thats when i suddenly get into a state of mind...like im asleep but im aware of it and my body is totaly paralyzed. At that point fear plagues my body. ( the fact of not being able to control your body scares me ) i cant move.. and i start to panic. i then get scared to go back to sleep and lay awake...while the " noises " continue to accure. one time i got really unsettled and decided to go down stares. i thought that would help me sleep better, but i eventualy slipped back into that state of mind.. once i was in there... " i sware i thought i was awake " i heard someone walking down the stairs and i felt the cough sink down...as if someone had sat next to me. i was so scared....but i could barely turn my head. i sometimes have a surge of visions in my head and thoughts that arnt even mine...they seem to just randomly come to me out of no where....( this is durring that lucid dream state ) sometimes i can hear people talking or voices. i dont know what to think, it just scares me.

One time my dad told me that he saw someone sitting next to me while i was watching tv. ( my dad is one to speak to truth )

just a few nights ago..i was sleeping in my bed... and i felt paralyzed...( i hate that feeling ) so i faught against it and i tried to get up, i felt as though i was crawling out of a deep puddle of mudd, struggling, using all my will and strength.. and suddenly id be back i my bed.. i sware i was awake. this happend over and over like 3 times...one over another...and after a while.. id actualy " wake " and realize it was just a dream... But i sware..it felt too convincingly real.



N e ways, my point is...how do i get over this fear of getting to reallly astral project....i just feel as though thers somone or something watching me or wanting to get me when i do...and that kind of holds me back. i hear weird sounds...like foot steps or like voices and people talking....One time, i sware i heard " little people " talking.....like fuking tiny grimlins or something...i bet htat sounds crazy...but its true... i hope you understand. good night.
RG40
I had never heard of any of this sort of thing before. But last night i was sleeping, when i awoke i was looking around my room with my eyes, but oculd not move at all, not any part of my body apart from my eyes, i began to panic and then all of a sudden i was vibrating and shaking on my bed then it just stopped and i was fine... freaked me out alot... could this be early signs of astral travel? i wondered

Later that afternoon i told my dad about it, cause i thought i had epilepsy or soemthinglol, it was then that my dad.. who had never read anyhting about the subject before told me he has the same events, they started when he was a kid and began to be able to control them, he told me that he can leave his body and walk around... he also told me of a time when he seen an old indian wise man sitting in our kitchen. I believed him slightly because of wat happened to me last night, but then wen i came across this site.. it explains almost exaclty what my father said to me. Also the part about everyone havign a guide, the old indian man must be my fathers guide, he doesnt realise this because he has dont nor eseacrh on the subject. Anyway thats my experience so far, im definetly goin to try and go further with this as i rekon im naturally adapted.
lufia
QUOTE(RG40 @ Oct 11 2006, 12:52 PM) [snapback]1385537[/snapback]

I had never heard of any of this sort of thing before. But last night i was sleeping, when i awoke i was looking around my room with my eyes, but oculd not move at all, not any part of my body apart from my eyes, i began to panic and then all of a sudden i was vibrating and shaking on my bed then it just stopped and i was fine... freaked me out alot... could this be early signs of astral travel? i wondered

Later that afternoon i told my dad about it, cause i thought i had epilepsy or soemthinglol, it was then that my dad.. who had never read anyhting about the subject before told me he has the same events, they started when he was a kid and began to be able to control them, he told me that he can leave his body and walk around... he also told me of a time when he seen an old indian wise man sitting in our kitchen. I believed him slightly because of wat happened to me last night, but then wen i came across this site.. it explains almost exaclty what my father said to me. Also the part about everyone havign a guide, the old indian man must be my fathers guide, he doesnt realise this because he has dont nor eseacrh on the subject. Anyway thats my experience so far, im definetly goin to try and go further with this as i rekon im naturally adapted.

thats sp (sleep paralysis). happens when your sleeping and wake up. your consciousness is disconnected to your body. Try astral travlling out of it. i've did it only in sp. just don't freak out lol.

socrates tell us some of your experiences!
hadeka
Hi ..

I invite you to talk a look at one of my amazing OBEs ..

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...c=27045&hl=


tell me ur opinion .
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Oct 11 2006, 03:54 AM) [snapback]1385200[/snapback]

Welcome back Socrates.

Nice to see you dropping by, guiding them and answering their cries.

How are things man, you traveled anywhere special lately? Say, space?

wink2.gif


Hey,
Not particularly - I've been focusing more on dreams as of late, though I did leave my body a few nights ago. I spent the entire projection poking my head in and out of walls, which never ceases to amuse me.

QUOTE(No lies @ Oct 11 2006, 07:16 AM) [snapback]1385375[/snapback]

Socrates. i dont know what to do. when i " attempt to astral travel " i have very odd dreams and experiances. i know im dreaming and i am completly aware of it. weird things have happend. ive heard my name being called, ive heard odd noises, felt vibrations, etc. fear usualy plagues me.

i'll tell you some of my experiances.
one night i was just very tired...and i was at the point of falling asleep, i started to hear like a vey sharp sonic booom " in my head " and since i have experianced this in the past, i knew what was coming. when this " sonic boom " accures, thats when i suddenly get into a state of mind...like im asleep but im aware of it and my body is totaly paralyzed. At that point fear plagues my body. ( the fact of not being able to control your body scares me ) i cant move.. and i start to panic. i then get scared to go back to sleep and lay awake...while the " noises " continue to accure. one time i got really unsettled and decided to go down stares. i thought that would help me sleep better, but i eventualy slipped back into that state of mind.. once i was in there... " i sware i thought i was awake " i heard someone walking down the stairs and i felt the cough sink down...as if someone had sat next to me. i was so scared....but i could barely turn my head. i sometimes have a surge of visions in my head and thoughts that arnt even mine...they seem to just randomly come to me out of no where....( this is durring that lucid dream state ) sometimes i can hear people talking or voices. i dont know what to think, it just scares me.

One time my dad told me that he saw someone sitting next to me while i was watching tv. ( my dad is one to speak to truth )

just a few nights ago..i was sleeping in my bed... and i felt paralyzed...( i hate that feeling ) so i faught against it and i tried to get up, i felt as though i was crawling out of a deep puddle of mudd, struggling, using all my will and strength.. and suddenly id be back i my bed.. i sware i was awake. this happend over and over like 3 times...one over another...and after a while.. id actualy " wake " and realize it was just a dream... But i sware..it felt too convincingly real.
N e ways, my point is...how do i get over this fear of getting to reallly astral project....i just feel as though thers somone or something watching me or wanting to get me when i do...and that kind of holds me back. i hear weird sounds...like foot steps or like voices and people talking....One time, i sware i heard " little people " talking.....like fuking tiny grimlins or something...i bet htat sounds crazy...but its true... i hope you understand. good night.


Lufia is right; you experienced sleep paralysis. While we sleep, the brain prevents muscle movement so that we don't act out our dreams (sleep walking is a lack of sleep paralysis.) Occasionally we may wake up and experience this paralysis before it wears off. It can be unpleasant, and for those who don't know what it is, very frightening. I have experienced this only once. Know that it is harmless and will never last long. Never panic or frantically attempt to move - just calmly wait for the paralysis to cease.

The sounds and entities which come with astral projection are inevitable. You will almost always hear sounds while attempting to project - I often hear someone calling my name. You musn't fear these sounds as they are merely figments of the astral - in other words, metaphysical jargon, like transmissions a satelite would pick up. Entities are creatures you may encounter in the astral; this includes the 'gremlins' you encountered. I too used to fear entities, but there is no reason to - they cannot harm you in any way, contrary to what some people say. Also, the Entities you most likely encounter will mean you well. Encounting a negative entity is not common, but you should not be afraid of this either as physically you are completely safe and to avoid the entity all you need to do is think about returning to your body, and you instantly will.

QUOTE(RG40 @ Oct 11 2006, 12:52 PM) [snapback]1385537[/snapback]

I had never heard of any of this sort of thing before. But last night i was sleeping, when i awoke i was looking around my room with my eyes, but oculd not move at all, not any part of my body apart from my eyes, i began to panic and then all of a sudden i was vibrating and shaking on my bed then it just stopped and i was fine... freaked me out alot... could this be early signs of astral travel? i wondered

Later that afternoon i told my dad about it, cause i thought i had epilepsy or soemthinglol, it was then that my dad.. who had never read anyhting about the subject before told me he has the same events, they started when he was a kid and began to be able to control them, he told me that he can leave his body and walk around... he also told me of a time when he seen an old indian wise man sitting in our kitchen. I believed him slightly because of wat happened to me last night, but then wen i came across this site.. it explains almost exaclty what my father said to me. Also the part about everyone havign a guide, the old indian man must be my fathers guide, he doesnt realise this because he has dont nor eseacrh on the subject. Anyway thats my experience so far, im definetly goin to try and go further with this as i rekon im naturally adapted.


Hey, yes, you indeed experienced the sensations one often feels when just about to project. Sleep paralysis and then vibrations. Had you anticipated the vibrations, I am sure you would have left your body. Now you know what to expect!

QUOTE(hadeka @ Oct 11 2006, 04:25 PM) [snapback]1385764[/snapback]

Hi ..

I invite you to talk a look at one of my amazing OBEs ..

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...c=27045&hl=
tell me ur opinion .


That's very interesting - I have not heard of anything like that before. Once when I projected, I came across my cat lying on the kitchen floor. I decided to try and posess him, which, looking back, was an irrational idea. I tried to 'get inside' his body, but it didn't work.

The key question here is - were you inside the body of a real fly, or had your astral body taken the form of a fly? We need to answer this before we go further.
Ziggy Stardust
anther experiment which proves the validity of astral travel:

In 1973, Ingo Swann was carefully tested at the laboratories of the American Society of Physical Research in New York. In one test, Swann was asked to draw a sketch of the contents of a cardboard box that was suspended from the labratory 10 feet above the floor. The box contained a red, heart-shaped piece of paper and a black, leather-sheathed letter opener. Swann sat in a chair and concentrated on leaving his body. His every move was observed by scientists and recorded by a television camera. After several minutes he claimed to have completed the astral projection and flawlessly drew the contents of the box, correctly labelling the heart 'red' and the letter-opener 'black.' The scientists tested him repeatedly and he was succesful 8 times in the row. The odds of his success in each experiment occuring by chance are 1 in over 40 000.
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Socrates @ Oct 11 2006, 06:11 PM) [snapback]1386500[/snapback]

anther experiment which proves the validity of astral travel:

In 1973, Ingo Swann was carefully tested at the laboratories of the American Society of Physical Research in New York. In one test, Swann was asked to draw a sketch of the contents of a cardboard box that was suspended from the labratory 10 feet above the floor. The box contained a red, heart-shaped piece of paper and a black, leather-sheathed letter opener. Swann sat in a chair and concentrated on leaving his body. His every move was observed by scientists and recorded by a television camera. After several minutes he claimed to have completed the astral projection and flawlessly drew the contents of the box, correctly labelling the heart 'red' and the letter-opener 'black.' The scientists tested him repeatedly and he was succesful 8 times in the row. The odds of his success in each experiment occuring by chance are 1 in over 40 000.


I'm in utter amazement.

Believing that wholeheartedly, I must say I envy that mans Astral success.
hadeka
QUOTE(Socrates @ Oct 12 2006, 02:33 AM) [snapback]1386451[/snapback]


That's very interesting - I have not heard of anything like that before. Once when I projected, I came across my cat lying on the kitchen floor. I decided to try and posess him, which, looking back, was an irrational idea. I tried to 'get inside' his body, but it didn't work.

The key question here is - were you inside the body of a real fly, or had your astral body taken the form of a fly? We need to answer this before we go further.


Well ... I was asking myself the same question ...
I dont know for sure ...
But i guess, my astral body was taking the shape of a fly ....
or may be ,,, my astral body was controling the fly's astral body !!
RG40
last night, the night after my SP, i was layin in bed and began to slowly drift of to sleep i wasnt tryin to do any thing strange just tryin to sleep, then my body began to tingle allover alot it began to get stronger but then i snapped myself out of it. Do u think this is also related to astral travel. Its so crazy to think about.
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(hadeka @ Oct 12 2006, 07:47 AM) [snapback]1386779[/snapback]

Well ... I was asking myself the same question ...
I dont know for sure ...
But i guess, my astral body was taking the shape of a fly ....
or may be ,,, my astral body was controling the fly's astral body !!


I think it was the former.

QUOTE(RG40 @ Oct 12 2006, 12:43 PM) [snapback]1386929[/snapback]

last night, the night after my SP, i was layin in bed and began to slowly drift of to sleep i wasnt tryin to do any thing strange just tryin to sleep, then my body began to tingle allover alot it began to get stronger but then i snapped myself out of it. Do u think this is also related to astral travel. Its so crazy to think about.


Yes - the tingling you felt is a sensation directly linked to astral travel.
Madison
QUOTE(Socrates @ Jan 30 2006, 02:28 AM) [snapback]1040802[/snapback]

Hey Spikester,

Don't worry. This is a myth and common misconception. The news network must have been pretty short on stories to come up with something like that! There have been no recorded instances of death through astral travel, and there will be none in the future. It is impossible to get lost in the astral plane. For one thing, your physical body and astral body are connected by an etheric cord which cannot be damaged in any way, and for another, you will be jolted back into your physical body if even the slightest threat arises. People often find themselves pulled back into their bodies when they venture too far - being unable to find one's body is simply an impossibility.

There is no correct way. As long as a way works, it does just fine. So, don't worry, stay positive, give it a try, and you'll see for yourself there's nothing to fear.

Good luck! original.gif


How can you tell someone that there have been NO recorded instances of death through astral travel. Of course there are none reported, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't happened! I have often wondered about people who have "died in their sleep" whether they really just couldn't get back in.

I KNOW that I wasn't jolted back into my body when I had some very scary situations and not just a slight threat. It was my guide who interceded.. long before I snapped back into my body.

Also, I don't have an astral cord. Believe me, I have searched for it. I was told by a parapsychologist that I must have broken it long ago.

I think your advice is dangerous. What about the mystics (I believe it was the Tibetan Monks) who had another guard their physical bodies when they astral travelled. They did it for a reason. There is a lot out there that is not to be taken lightly. I know. I have been there.
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(Madison @ Oct 13 2006, 08:20 AM) [snapback]1388218[/snapback]

How can you tell someone that there have been NO recorded instances of death through astral travel. Of course there are none reported, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't happened! I have often wondered about people who have "died in their sleep" whether they really just couldn't get back in.

I KNOW that I wasn't jolted back into my body when I had some very scary situations and not just a slight threat. It was my guide who interceded.. long before I snapped back into my body.

Also, I don't have an astral cord. Believe me, I have searched for it. I was told by a parapsychologist that I must have broken it long ago.

I think your advice is dangerous. What about the mystics (I believe it was the Tibetan Monks) who had another guard their physical bodies when they astral travelled. They did it for a reason. There is a lot out there that is not to be taken lightly. I know. I have been there.


Hey,

You have made a very valid point - although astral travel is something which happens to thousands of people every night, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, there are still aspects of it which may never be explained and so a certain 'danger' is present.

The parapsychologist who told you your cord had been severed long ago was wrong. The cord is severed only when we die, so that the astral body may seperate from the physical body for good. We all have a cord, but it isn't always visible - mine is often invisible too.

What it all comes down to is your own stance on the subject. I personally believe astral travel, in moderation, is harmless. This is why I strongly suggest break periods between projections. Bad experiences do occur in the astral - but the rarity of them doesn't stop me.

I do not believe there is a risk of death while astral travelling, but I do believe frightening experiences are possible. Your talk of Tibetan Monks intrigues me - I have been to the Himalayas where I spent time in Ladakhi villages and monasteries. This practise you speak of eluded me.
Madison
QUOTE(Socrates @ Oct 13 2006, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1388267[/snapback]

Hey,

You have made a very valid point - although astral travel is something which happens to thousands of people every night, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, there are still aspects of it which may never be explained and so a certain 'danger' is present.

The parapsychologist who told you your cord had been severed long ago was wrong. The cord is severed only when we die, so that the astral body may seperate from the physical body for good. We all have a cord, but it isn't always visible - mine is often invisible too.

What it all comes down to is your own stance on the subject. I personally believe astral travel, in moderation, is harmless. This is why I strongly suggest break periods between projections. Bad experiences do occur in the astral - but the rarity of them doesn't stop me.

I do not believe there is a risk of death while astral travelling, but I do believe frightening experiences are possible. Your talk of Tibetan Monks intrigues me - I have been to the Himalayas where I spent time in Ladakhi villages and monasteries. This practise you speak of eluded me.


Look, I don't want to seem argumentative here. You seem like a really nice person, but there is a very real danger with leaving your body. One of the reasons that we have guides is to protect us. Bad experiences do occur in the earth astral planes and they are not in the rarity.

I think that there may be a risk of death while astral travelling. Who is to say, really? The parapsychologist who I saw was very good and I agree with his judgement. Who is to say that you can not live with your cord broken? I have never seen my cord. I have felt for it over every inch of my astral body. It is not there. I know that they exist. My sister sees hers all the time. I don't.

Regarding the Tibetan Monks and the practice of watching over another's physical body, they are not the only ones who practiced it. The Hindus did it too.

I have had profoundly indescribably beautiful experiences while out of my body and I have also had some pretty scary ones while on the earth plane. Don't take my word for it. check out Lorena's posts. She tells of seeing her guide sitting next to her body guarding it.

Also, I believe that astral travel happens to millions every night. I think everyone astral travels. The only difference is that some of us are aware of it when we do it.
lufia
^if you say everyone astral travels every night than the ones without cords will die, thats if you think its dangerious
Madison
QUOTE(lufia @ Oct 13 2006, 06:23 PM) [snapback]1388779[/snapback]

^if you say everyone astral travels every night than the ones without cords will die, thats if you think its dangerious


How you came to the above conclusion from my previous statement; "Also, I believe that astral travel happens to millions every night. I think everyone astral travels. The only difference is that some of us are aware of it when we do it". is beyond me.

I think it is dangerous to tell people that they are completely safe when they are out of their body. I have had some very scary situations while on the earth plane.
I also beleive that some of us may have broken cords. I know that I have looked for mine and couldn't find it anywhere on my astral body.
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(Madison @ Oct 13 2006, 11:07 AM) [snapback]1388291[/snapback]

Look, I don't want to seem argumentative here. You seem like a really nice person, but there is a very real danger with leaving your body. One of the reasons that we have guides is to protect us. Bad experiences do occur in the earth astral planes and they are not in the rarity.

I think that there may be a risk of death while astral travelling. Who is to say, really? The parapsychologist who I saw was very good and I agree with his judgement. Who is to say that you can not live with your cord broken? I have never seen my cord. I have felt for it over every inch of my astral body. It is not there. I know that they exist. My sister sees hers all the time. I don't.

Regarding the Tibetan Monks and the practice of watching over another's physical body, they are not the only ones who practiced it. The Hindus did it too.

I have had profoundly indescribably beautiful experiences while out of my body and I have also had some pretty scary ones while on the earth plane. Don't take my word for it. check out Lorena's posts. She tells of seeing her guide sitting next to her body guarding it.

Also, I believe that astral travel happens to millions every night. I think everyone astral travels. The only difference is that some of us are aware of it when we do it.


Death is possible while projecting just as death is possible while driving to work. Because Astral Projection is a cloudy subject in turns of scientific explanation, there will always be a risk involved, as you say. I agree with you entirely. For the most part, astral travel, in moderation is an enjoyable experience. 95% of the emails I recieve from people speak of good experiences on the astral plane. The other 5% suggest bad experiences, mainly due to obsessive projecting - not projecting in moderation, and also due to attempting to use astral projection for evil purposes.

I find the fact that you believe your cord to have been severed interesting. I cannot see mine either, but I believe although it is invisible at times metaphysical law states that it must be present during living state in which the astral body is connected to the physical body. I think in this concept we have to agree to disagree.

But yes - you have made a valid point. Thankyou.

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