Ok, I was watching the Sci-Fi channel last night and they had on a segment about new evidence revealed on the Bermuda Triangle. I know this has been discussed before on UM but I wanted to know what you guys thought of the segment last night if anyone has Sci-Fi Network?

They discussed the strange disappearence of Flight 19, and many other famous vanishing ships and planes that went down in the Bermuda Triangle many years ago. The new evidence suggests there is a very strong magnetic field in that specific area. Scientists have new theories on why this could be. Many are under the theory that possibly Atlantis could have a power unit still in working order or giving off some kind of energy field to release this kind of magnetic field. They were one of the most advanced civilizations along with the Egyptians. The people of Atlantis are believed to be the first advanced.

There was no talk of possible gas methanes on the ocean floor or any anomolies that the ocean itself could be the reason for the mysterious disappearences. They also discussed the instruments go whacky in airplanes and boats in the area. Sometimes engines completely shut down. It's also a UFO hotspot recently. There was also some brief talk of the government using time travel experimentation in the area during WWI and WWII.

What do you guys think?

its been proved as the methane gas...

Where is this little bit of information coming from? I was under the impression it was still an ongoing mystery...

What was proven about Methane was that it could cause a large ship to sink instantly, and that it could cause control and navigation problems for airplanes.

Most likely is that Flight 19 went down in the Okefenokee Swamp, and the Martin Mariner exploded shortly after take off--both due to human error.

oh my gosh! I saw that too! What's even weirder, is that a few years back I was bored so I was reading about the bermuda triangle, and I formed my own opinion, that it just lead to another dimension, and that was that, last night, I saw that show, and I realized that my theory is out there, and that I had no clue about it until that night! It scared me!!! Especially since this was the SECOND one of my theories that came true

That's pretty much what I thought. But I was sure that the methane wasn't as effective as people would have assumed, and that it took 5 mins, just to sink a canoe...Maybe I am mistaken...

Maybe. But they could have hit the islands off of the coast of Florida (the ones that resemble the Florida Keys) due to some kind of navigation problem, and mistakenly thought they were at the Keys, and got all mixed up, and actually headed east further and further into the ocean, until they ran out of gas, and had to go down...But, that's just a theory...

I watched that too last night on SCIFI it was so intresting!!

If it's the show I'm thinking of, I watched it liek 2 months ago. It was very interesting...... I'd say there's more to it than "methane gas". Also, are you sure the magnetic feild is getting stronger? When I watched it[almost positive] they said that the field was weakening faster over the bermuda triangle than anywhere else on the planet. That in itself is unexplained.

You are correct, MFreak, in that it did take approximately 5 minutes to sink a canoe. (I believe this was from a documentary on Discovery Channel.) However, when applied to a massive steel ship, the Methane gas bubbles could force it to sink, bow first, as if it was falling off of a cliff.

Also, on that ?Discovery? documentary, there was an interview with some military guy who said there were several radar blips/tracks reported around the Okefenokee area which could've only been Flight 19.

When you consider the amount of traffic through the alleged Bermuda Triangle (which numbers in the hundreds daily), and that only once-in-a-decade does something possibly paranormal occur, then you have to wonder if it's simply a myth. Think about it: Why has there never been a commercial flight or cruise disappearance?

The SciFi program shown last night was great television but truly offered nothing new as far as evidence of something paranormal going on.

mklsgl hit the nail on the head. There is no mystery to the bermuda triangle. For a sealane that gets that amount of traffic and overflight it has a perfectly average number of sinkings and plane downings. I read the stats somewhere, I'll try to find them and post them.

Why they dont sent a controlled submarine to see what is going on in the deep sea of that area??
How much deep is that?

It isn't all that deep, and that area is used regularly as a training ground for most of the Atlantic Submarine fleet. It is no exageration to say that this region is the most extensively mapped and monitored region near the U.S. territories.

The methane deposits in this region are no greater than those in most other regions of the ocean, and nowhere near enough to cause the dramatic collapses depicted on the show. Those types of things happen mostly in oil-rich fields, where they have been know to swallow entire oil rigs. Similarly, the magnetic field in this region is no more powerful or weaker than that anywhere in the world. I personally worked in this region for two years onboard an ocean-going tug, and not one in that entire time did we respond to any sort of situation that was in any way mysterious.

The Bermuda Triangle is a non-mystery.

Not as strong? Well scientists say, it is decreasing in strength faster than anywhere else in the world..


No mystery? What's happening to all these plains and ships? Surely you can't brush it off or rationalize it so fast?

No exactly. People say that scientists say, etc, etc... People say a great many things. When you come down to it, you will find as many sites on the net claiming it is increasing as sites that claim it is decreasing, as well as several other untruths, such as this being the only place where true north and magnetic north align. When all is said and done, this regions magnetic field, like that of the entire planet's, fluctuates up and down. Nothing more, nothing less.



Not at all. It takes quite a bit of time before you can rationalize or brush it off as quickly as I. Take, for instance, the infamouse Flight 19. If all you do is read the Bermuda Triangle reports, then this is indeed a mystery. Checking into the matter, on the other hand, reveals no mystery at all; it reveals a very clear story pointing directly to a pilot fault resulting in the planes having to ditch in the Atlantic ocean. Once one learns what the real story is, it makes so much sense that anytime one hears alternate stories concerning wormholes, magnetic fields, Atlantis, etc, one tends to roll ones eyes (particularly after two decades of hearing such stories.

The Bermuda Triangle 'Mystery' was, by and large, created solely by through the efforts of Charles Berlitz, who never allowed such a thing as lack of evidence to stand in the way of a good story. He has been cuaght in outright rdeception, to say nothing of manipulation of the truth. Most of those planes and ships that one hears about? They never actually disappeared. Some actually crashed, some didn't disappear, but were reported missing (i.e., they slipped loose on their mooring and drifted off), some never actually existed to begin with. On top of this, most of the stories have been so heavily embellished, that while the stories may seem fantastic, they do not reflect the more real situation that the craft found themselves in during the 'disappearance'.

In short, this isn't a situation in which some strange phenomena is occuring. This is, basically, an urban legend. Prior to deciding what the causes of the Bermuda Triangle mystery are, it would behoove one to verify that a mystery exists in the first place. Don't assume that it does simply because someone somewhere said so.

A scientists said it on National Geographic[or was it another channel]. And that's not the only story there was. They even said that that particular flight could have been error by the pilot, but others were very odd and are still a mystery.

Like I said, it takes time and effort to figure these things out. Once you start looking into the various disappearances, you will find a disturbing amount of them to be neither mysterious nor disappearances, and the remaining honest-to-goodness unexplainable ones to be little more than the statistical norm. Ships and planes do disappear into the ocean without a clue left behind; it's a big place, and we are very small creatures on very small crafts.

The lesson here is not to take the telly's word as gospel. It says a great many things in the name of entertainment that are not necessarily what is going on.

There are no reputable scientists that believe there is anything going on in the Bermuda Triangle. It was the Sci-Fi channel that was doing these documentaries recently and that was to promote their mini-series. On a side note, channels like Discovery are becoming far more sensationalistic then they used to be and touting many shows (and many hacks) as "science". Its a matter of ratings but it does little service to furthering public understanding of what scientists do. If you notice on many of these shows they call the people "researchers". Def: people with too much money or private grants they duped someone into gving them, coming off as a research scientists because they wrote some wacky book. Nine times out of ten the real researchers on these shows (Search for Atlantis, Lost Civilzation, Bermuda Triangle stuff) are the folks they give ten second interview snippets saying there is no proof of the subject of the show. They are overwhelmed of course, by the preponderance of "evidence" (unsubstantiated conjecture) by the focus of the show, such as a Hancock.

I digress, back to the Bermuda Triangle, or better yet the Narragansett Bay Vortex here in RI where I live. I've named it that. Six years ago a fishing boat left the bay never to seen again. Obviously the fabric of space-time has torn open somewhere in the Atlantic. I mean it couldn't have a been a fire or a rogue wave, right?

I bet you'd take a science book as gospel. They're just as likley to lie to us as anyone else, they're human.

Here's an example of people who follow science. You look up to them even more than some Christian Fanatics look up to a Priest:



So right off the bat it's disregarded because these "popular scientists" don't think anything is going on.

No, it's disregarded because nothing has ever happened there that is in anyway unnatural and hasn't happened anywhere else. Simple really. Facts are facts. One must start with evidence then formulate a conclusion. There is no evidence of anything unusual happening in the Bermuda Triangle, there never has been, thus the conclusion that nothing unusual goes on there. Myth in no way constitutes evidence nor does uncorroborated stories in books whose authors can't seem to note their sources.

In my opinion the Methane build up on the ocean floor is a bogus theory. Why? It's common sense that if Methane causes Flight 19, ships, and, planes to go down then where is the evidence of it? Not evidence of the Methane, but where is the evidence of sunken ships, planes and flight 19? If you watched the program Sci Fi had that night they mentioned there is no signs of the wreckage anywhere.

That's why this makes the Bermuda Triangle so mysterious...

That's all just common sense for anyone who keeps track on this ancient mystery...

Matt

Yes, they are. To take science on faith defeats the entire purpose of it. One does not take anything any scientists states, nor anything that has been written as 'gospel'. One can give it a certain degree of credibility, because, depending on where it was published, it will have had to have met certain requirements concerning validity. What this means is that it is much harder for a person to actively lie and get away with it. It is still possible, of course, however the system is specifically set up for the purpose of combating the natural human urge to defend their position at all costs. The sole reason for the creation of the peer review system was to prevent people from lying and getting away with it.



I wouldn't say even more. Just as much, possible, but not really any more or less. I certainly would lump it in with fanaticism. Fanaticism implies a blindness, a dogmatic approach that preaches only a single belief, and nothing more. Science, on the other hand, encourages research. It demands questions.

You seem to think that such mysteries are disregarded 'right off the bat', for the simple reason that they are mysteries. I tell you that they are not. They are disregarded because they have been examined, they have been evaluated, and they have been found wanting. What 'popular scientists' say (I'm not even completly sure what you mean by that; most of these mysteries have little to do with science and more to do with investigative work) is less important than how they back it up. If a person says to me that the Bermuda Triangle is a vortex, I ask "How did you come to that conclusion?". If a scientist tells me that the Bermuda Triangle has a regular, run-of-the-mill magnetic variation, I ask 'Where can I verify that?" I check both answers and decide which is most likely to be correct.

Of course, if an investigator tells me "Charles Berlitz lied about a Pyramid under the Bermuda Triangle", and can back it up, then pretty much anything that Charles Berlitz says will be met with a greater amount of skepticism.

In short (too late, I know), you seem to think that 'scientists' come to conclusions in the same way that you do, i.e. essentially on a whim. This is not the case. Simply because this mystery is new to you, don't think that it hasn't been around for decades, and that it hasn't been seen over and over (and over and over and over...) again by others. What you see as a causual dismissal is not necessarily that, but more likely the result of study into the matter that has already taken place.

Not that I believe methane has anything to do with anything, but wreckage from a methane blow-out is usually surprisingly scarce. The videos we saw of entire oil-rigs being engulfed usually involved, at one point or another, the ignition of the gas, and the temperatures generated were enough to turn the rigs into molten slag, which rapidly plunged through the water and straight into the gassified muck at the bottom. When cameras were sent in a few days later after all the sediment had settled, there were only a few bits and pieces sticking out of the mud, not the huge oil rig that would be expected.

Not to deviate from topic but aquatis1 brings up a good point and one that must always be examined in the context of where evidence is coming from. If a book is published that you can go buy in a book shop in no way validates its conjectures as actual theory. Many (if not all) of the proponents of pre-civilization civilizations can get book deals but their evidence in no way meets the criteria of peer to peer journals. I in no way say that scientists aren't people and that don't want to let go of some of the things they were taught or be that they don't want fame amongst their circles. We've had two large hoaxes in the last few years. The reptile/bird out of China and Hwang Woo-suk and the recent Korean cloning debacle. These things were quite quickly ferreted out though. False evidence (or faked evidence) won't stand up to scrutiny. Egyptology is a fine example of this. England dominated egyptology for many years and when evidence for different dating and different chronologies came up during the fifties and early sixties by independent archeologists there was a movement to dismiss their findings. The thing is these changes in understanding manifested anyway because the evidence was so compelling from so many different fields that it was undeniable to world peers and so a further understanding came to be. It's not faith, and its not perfect (there's always a human factor), but science by definition is forced to evolve based on new empirical findings and thus it gives us the best chance to understand how things work and how they came to be. No real evidence, no compelling evidence, will be ignored for too long.

what happened to flight 19 is no mystery. it was just human error.

care to back that up ?

Mathane isn't a good theory first of all, second, many ships and planes have been dissapearing there, without leaving any reckage behind. And also, a few people lived to tell the stories of how odd things happen. One man even said he went through this tunnel of clouds, and somehow time warped because he made it to his destination about an hour early.


Now, I tend to trust some people, and I cant just say this man was laying. Instead of giving me evidence that everything happening was natural, you've shown me your opinions.



My main problem with science is the way sciencetists treats people that disagree with science. Or should I not say scientists, just people who agree with science 100% of the time. They seem to think you're stupid not to agree with science. Why is this so? There's no possability that the truth isn't the most probably answer, but yet the less linkley answer? And don't tell me this doesn't happen, it's one of the main reason I've become this way, it's happend to me very often[not just on here].

Back what up? All communication with Taylor showed he entirely lost his way. He believed he was over the keys when he wasn't. The entire rest of the flight were students. Despite what books say were calm sees every newspaper from that day and the navy said the weather turned bad quickly. In 1945 a pilot flying over the ocean only knew where he left from, the time he was taking and the direction. One miscalculation sent a pilot grossly of course. Taylor was advised to let a student lead them to Miami but he didn't. He assumed they took a more southernly course when they took off so assumed to go north while he was actually going out to sea. Radio communications indicated that it was only his compass that was sticking. Two students indicated that if they would only fly east they'd be fine. By the time the navy realized how far off course they were they knew they did not have enough fuel to get back, and they didn't. Many thousands of planes have sunk in the ocean during WWII and we haven't found even a hundredth of them, nor would you expect to. Just check the coast guard records. Check the public domain records of the coastal rescue of any country. The Bermuda triangle doesn't even come close to the statistical loss of life compared to many world coastal areas of industrialized nations. There is no mystery there. Hundreds of cruise ships and domestic flights go through that area every year let alone commercial boats. Their is nothing going on there.

An American archaeological team has discovered definitive evidence of underwater ancient harbor remains at two separate locations at Bimini. A hoax begun in 1978 by skeptics has also been uncovered.
11-12-05
(I-Newswire) - Archaeologist William Donato and a team of researchers have confirmed a complex of ancient harbor works in shallow water off Bimini, 50 miles from Miami. In May 2005, the team investigated a little-known line of underwater stones located a mile from a controversial site known as the “Bimini Road.” The new mile-long line of stones was found and videotaped from the air. Subsequent dives revealed several large stone circles on the bottom, formed from large blocks of limestone arranged into circular patterns. The circles were spaced at regular intervals. Stone anchors, identical to ancient Phoenician, Greek, and Roman anchors, were also found. “These finds took us by surprise,” stated Dr. Greg Little, who organized the expedition. “The circles may be similar to ancient Mediterranean harbor ‘mooring circles.’”

Near the new site is the Bimini Road, a misnamed J-shaped underwater formation of stone blocks. A careful search there yielded two stone anchors in the 1800-foot long stone formation. “One of these is identical to unusual ancient Greek anchors found at Thera,” Little related. Several other artifacts were found, “but the most important finds directly contradict skeptical claims.” The team found numerous multiple tiers of blocks including one set of three on top of each other. “The top block has a U-shaped channel cut all the way across its bottom,” Little said. “The most definitive evidence was found under the massive blocks. We found rectangular slabs of smooth, cut stone literally stacked under several blocks. These were used as leveling prop stones. This is proof that the so-called Bimini Road was a breakwater forming an ancient harbor.”

The team took 20 hours of underwater video and 1000 photos. “It’s taken us five months to process the information and organize the evidence,” Little stated. “While the finds are definitive, the real problem is that a few skeptics wrote articles asserting the main formation was simply natural limestone. A hoax was perpetrated at Bimini by the skeptics, but you have to examine a 1978 report to understand it. Academic archaeologists and geologists don’t read that report. They cite later summaries, which are based on falsified data. The hoax is a disgrace, but it’s been actively supported by key people.”

Little prepared a free 30-page pdf report on the expedition and the hoax and produced a 73-minute DVD documentary. The report, containing 70 photos, can be downloaded at:
Dr. Michael Preisinger http://www.mysterious-america.net/biminihoax.html

A German historian/scuba diver has recorded the exact location and value of deviations in magnetic fields off the Bahamas coast. Scientists to whom he has shown the figures do not dismiss the possibility that they are caused by micro-wormholes. His researches have also led him to wonder whether the American AUTEC naval base on Andros Island is not-perhaps on account of these same wormholes-an "Underwater Area 51 of the Caribbean." And he has reached some new conclusions concerning Atlantis and the Bahamas.



Rest of link.....

I dont know what the triangle is or whats going on. but just a question is Methane a heavy gas it is right? So if you do survive the sinking of the ship wouldnt you die from methane poison. i dont know maybe i am wrong and with these roads and rocks that look like a city was in the water there you have to remember the ocean levels are higher then they were so I is probably just a sunken Aztec or Mayan or whoevers ruin

The fact they are sunken, predates Aztec or Mayans there are also several other sunken cities....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/589562/posts

http://edgarcayce.org/am/underwatercities.html

http://www.s8int.com/water20.html

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=1176

They can't all be Atlantis something else is what this issue is all about....


Any thoughts?

there is another same area off the coast of japan ( i think) or china, an it has the same magnetic qualities, i heard it has been proven as magnetic fields putting instruments go haywire

Thanks for that Triad. I saw that on the show but forgot all about it! Interesting stuff.....

We're digressing here with the Bimini pseudoscience but those guys are trying to sell dvds. I just searched all their names in the pdf and not one of them is credited with a single paper in a peer reviewed journal. The writer of the article admits he's not an archeologist. They give no new evidence in their press release (which is what it is, their PR manager is named on the first link) that hasn't been looked at already and dismissed rightfully. It has a lot of pictures of ballast stone that has been accounted for a million times already. Their "evidence" is that some was wedged under another stone so it must have been put there. Wow, that's a sound line of reasoning. They've really got a grasp of tide mechanics. It's just another quack trying to make money. Note the only places that have posted this "news" when it came out are the very discerning kook-sites. It certainly wasn't news on the AP which such a "stunning" discovery would be. Just read the pdf, its completely unscientific and makes unjustified leaps of logic. They're starting with they're conclusion and trying to find evidence to prove it rather than allowing the evidence to point them to the more obvious and prosaic conclusion. They're stone circular foundations are funny to say the least. He even references Chichen Itza as having a similar breakwater. Go look that up. Gee, who wrote the story? Why this guy, of course! The only source of this extensive study in 84/85 is from posts on kook-websites that he wrote. Oddly, he can't name a single archeologist on the dig, who was funding it or where its results were published. Trust me, every underwater archeologist in the world would be there if there was even the slightest shred of evidence for a 6000 year old harbor culture. They're human, and like these guys, they want to make a name for themselves but they know they'd have to prove it and previous geological examinations showed there's no proof there. Greg Little just wants to sell books and dvd's.

I've seen the images, and it does look man made. Bad reasoning?

Well, when an archeologist finds tools from long ago, they automatically think our ancestors made them.... How do they know it didn't just happen naturaly? =p


Oh and, please provide links to what you're talking about.

The link I'm referring to is the one Triad provided. Also google the name of anyone involved. The man uses books with Atlantis in the title as references. 'Nuff said.

As for how we know if an ancient tool or structure is manmade? It's archeology 101. Context of the site, age of the site, tools that display manufacture or use, results of said tool use or manufacture onsite in the same strata. You see the construction of huge stone structures leave the evidence of that labor there.

As for looking manmade. As an avid rockclimber whose traveled around the world to climb I can tell you there's thousands of nature rock formations that "look" manmade but looks don't mean anything without context. That's Hancock science. No context, just wishful thinking.

No problem ZeroShadow


Now in the first place the question/topic was about the show and specifically what information was provided it is not a digression it is the evidence/information requested.

So as far as claiming, that this is not relatable to the topic that is incorrect and a bit strange.

One of the main issues is in relation to these magnetic deviations and the author cites references which supports his conclusion. Truth is though there are more natural causes
for the phenomenon in question, with respect to the conclusion that the phenomenon is
actually man made.

What is needed to alter the course of a compass?

All you really need is a magnet which is close enough to the compass and the metal which points the way, will point in the direction of the magnet.

What purpose would such a technology be applicable to some ancient culture?

Food for one thing, most ocean going animals depend on magnetic fields to navigate. So if one to figure out a way to alter the earths magnetic field at a specific location, well then the technology would make for a kind of spider web.

How could an ancient culture have developed such a technology?

Mayans had sound technology and not only is diffraction an issue, sound in relation to
these structures are amplified without the use of electricity. Working with rocks which have natural magnetic properties, in much the same way the Mayans worked with sound, is not implausible.

All of these sunken cities, all over the world present evidence of man having developed a substantial culture during the most recent ice age. When that ice melted those cities ended up several hundred feet underwater, in truth reports of magnetic anomalies are not just specific to the Bermuda triangle; it's just more prevalent there.

Lets be clear here I am suggesting a culture which was not pre-industrial and its understanding of wave mechanics was sophisticated (even by our standards), they understood quantum mechanics and applied it in there technology.

But in way’s we still barely understand.

When I started on the internet the matter of Mayan sound technology was unexplained that was in 1992. Mayan pyramids and there unique properties have been known to exist in relation to western culture since the 1500's.



Any thoughts?

Some say the universe looks as if it was created by intelligence, but alot of sciencists disagree, but yet most will look at a stone tool laying in a place wich appears to be created by intelligence, and they automatically say it was created by intelligence, just because there's a stone house and a stone tool =). Why coudn't it just be natural formations?[I know it sounds silly but I'm trying to make a point].

The Atlantes columns in the form of Toltec warriors in Tula; citations in relation to the term Atlantes or Atlantis have been around for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toltec

The term Atlantis potentially means "from the Atlantic" it was originally coined by Plato....



http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topic...nd_critias.html

Formations that are manmade but have been eroded, as a result of thousands of years of
dealing with the elements, also have the appearance of being natural formations. Hancock Science also exists, in relation to selectively ignoring that issue when conducting an investigation capeo.

Seriouly what would Mt. Rushmore look like in 10,000 years if no won was around to keep it up....



Any thoughts?

There would be skeptics as to if it was man made or not and they'd scoff at those who said it was made by man. That's how it will be in 10,000 years XD.

Absolutely and especially if it was underwater for the majority of that time

This new data released on the Bermuda triangle is going to take some time to investigate completely. To be clear, the responses prepared by the author are in keeping with many of the ideas often related to Atlantis. My impression is we will find an altogether different way to understand physics from a ancient man made culture, which is still an influence upon modern society.

These link present more information on underwater cities and floods.

http://www.s8int.com/water20.html

Scroll to the bottom of the above and you will find much more information.

http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsoni...enom_apr00.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/fantastic.html


Any thoughts?

Actually the granite of Mt. Rushmore erodes about 1 inch per 10,000 years that being one of the reasons they chose it.
http://www.nps.gov/moru/park_history/carvi...ing_history.htm
Thus it would be softer looking but undoubtedly recognizable as made by human hands.

The point is moot anyway. There were no cultures making large stone structures 10,000 years ago so your number is useless. I don't even know what your trying to purport about the Tolmec.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantes
There's absolutely no connection of the two terms. It was archeologists that termed the Tula atlantes as alantes not the Tolmec. It's just an architectural term that has it roots in Greece that modern people apply to the many instances of carved columns that occured in many divergent cultures (who, of course, did not call them atlantes in their own cultures.) I don't get your point.

As for all these sunken cities you're talking about, all the ones we have found fit perfect with known timelines. Do you honestly believe Atlantis existed? All because Plato mentioned it? Even though there is absolutely no good science, no theories that haven't been debunked, no artifacts, no genetic evidence?

As for any culture having any understanding of quantum physics prior to modern times: that's the most ridiculously unsupportable statement I've heard yet in this discussion. There is absolutely no shred of evidence that you can produce, no physical artifact, no written peer reviewed paper, not one damn thing. That's preposterous. I mean truly, I'm stunned if you really think you can qualify that statement. Please try.

s8int.com? You're kidding right?

Your other two links I've already read about. I don't get your point. They're extremely interesting and well documented and if anything they very much refute any global flood hypothesis. They were both huge but regionally isolated.

Excuse me capeo but the term is Toltec



The Tao of Physics is one example in respects to modern works and as well as would add these others....

http://www.hermetic.com/bey/quantum.html

http://ts-adyar.org/magazine/the_theosophi...y_03/acient.htm

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/.../templeton.html

http://members.tripod.com/~huajie/Paper/chaos.htm

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art39844.asp

http://www.fdavidpeat.com/bibliography/essays/black.htm

http://www.wpunj.edu/~newpol/issue37/Bienenfeld37.htm

http://www.geoman.com/jim/quantumzodiac.html

http://www.metanexus.net/metanexus_online/...rticle.asp?9288

http://illuminations.nctm.org/LessonDetail.aspx?ID=L263

http://www.jkcentre.org/ickc2006/default.htm



Still does not change the fact that erosion would have a profound effect upon something that old (true if it was not made of granite) so as to make it hard to distinguish from natural formations.

Yes there was and the fact that these structures are so deep under water establishes that there origins are that old (Apparently you did not read all the links). I am of Toltec so I know much about my culture as far as your claim about archeologist’s reference to the term Atlantes that is incorrect.



What kind of genetic evidence do you think we could find and how would
that relate ????? He did not just mention it he wrote about it its not like its just
used the word once or something like that. Details into the culture were presented
and also the time line is about right.

What known time lines explain yourself?

What do you mean no artifacts?



I posted more than just two links.

Fantastic Floods



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/fantastic.html

capeo you seem very intent upon denial with respect to alternative history which is interesting (truthfully).

Any thoughts?

Has anyone seen the show TRIANGLE with Sam Neil in it. Has that started in the states yet? It hasnt started in OZ but does the show cover all the theories or just one.

jesspy I have seen it its pretty good, it pretty much covers one but I wont spoil it for you

Capeo attached is a personal favorite to be certain they have only figured out the stairs work but the rest is still pretty much unexplained.....

Let’s understand each other diffracting sound wave's is pretty sophisticated stuff dude especially if one is not using electricity. The data which supports that is not included there but is referenced here....It real complicated stuff but I do not really wonder what they knew.

http://www.acoustics.org/press/136th/lubman.htm

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID...umber=1&catID=4

You know what capeo I think you and I are going to get along real well

Don't forget to review the attached…

Any thoughts?

PS: By the way don't say harmonic convergence unless, you can provide a link to an "acoustical engineer who can provide a mathematical model of how a whisper can be heard 500 ft away at a Mayan ball court?"

By the way don't say harmonic convergence, unless you can provide a link to an "acoustical engineer who can provide a mathematical model of how a whisper can
be heard 500 ft away at a Mayan ball court?"

Any thoughts?

The reason this is in quotes is because I did not right this......

Am trying to nice here capeo don't assume as was done in the past, in relation to responses made to me when I used the name Toltec

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t42959-100.html

Make certain you have something substantive to present as with respect to the link above that is not the case.

Interesting theory though it's too bad it was not presented as a theory when it was offered.

Any thoughts?

This analogy is what I mean by the idea that an ancient culture understood technology we cannot currently repeat with what we known today.

Any thoughts?

Let's assume that the sounds emanating from the staircases were not due to an architectual defect...but indeed planned.

How would they benefit from this?

For one, it could have been used by a High Priest to summon the people to a meeting. Once they heard the chirping, they would know that a meeting is to be held.

Or two, it could have been used in ceremonies to "evoke spirits" or "talk to the gods".

Three. Even more interesting, is that the "coded audio" could be decoded by another building close by. In other words the receiving building would have been architectually designed to decode the original message from the temple, much like an intercom system.

I know some of these theories could be way out, but ask yourself....how would they benefit from having buildings with intricate acoustics like this?