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thorre
this is a note from sylvia browne...now how can you all say shes bad? no.gif



A Brief Note to the Skeptic Society:
I’m afraid I’ve created a misimpression over the years, for which I want to apologize. Somehow, in my willingness to enter into public discussions with you, I’ve mistakenly led you to believe that I have a stake of some sort in your approval, when nothing could be further from the truth. As the saying goes, my self-worth is completely unrelated to your opinion of me, and I’ve worked far too hard for far too many years, and have far too much left to do, to jump through hoops in the hope of proving something you’ve staked your reputations on mocking. Whatever your opinions, you’re certainly entitled to them, as I’m entitled to mine. The only power that I answer to is God and the Christ Consciousness and beyond that there is no one else I’m accountable to for my gift.

If it’s true that you’ve accumulated $1 million, I can’t congratulate you enough. I’ve checked with my staff, by the way, and no one ever saw, let alone returned, whatever confirmation to that effect you mailed to my office. We can only assume that you sent it to our old Dillon Avenue address, from which we moved months ago, in which case yes, the post office would have returned it to you. Let me clarify: I have no interest in your $1 million or any intention of pursuing it. (See above position on jumping through hoops.)

I do however have a suggestion regarding the money that I mean from the bottom of my heart: please, please do what I would have done with it and donate it to a worthy, legitimate charity. I’ve worked for years with the wonderful Multiple Sclerosis Foundation who would put it to such good use, or there are many charities, including the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army, who’ve been such a Godsend to the hurricanes Katrina and Rita victims. Now that you’ve gone to the trouble of raising it, imagine the joy of sharing it with those who need it so desperately.

I truly hope you’ll give this suggestion serious consideration and act on it. In the meantime, I wish you well, and God bless you.
aquatus1
So, basically, she is backing down from the challenge she accepted on a live televised event. Well, that's up to her. Why she seems to believe anyone in the Skeptic Society cares about her self-worth is beyond me.
jpatt
Nobody is all bad and I certainly applaud her if she's doing good public works - certainly nothing to be faulted there. I won't go into her letter TO the people from whom she doesn't need approval - a psychologist or sociologist would better be able to dissect and explain her reasoning and intent better than I, but the phrase "me think she doth protest too much" comes to mind.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
She has never done good works. She bilks weak minded people out of money they cannot afford to spend. Like charging $700 for a 30-60 min. consultation.
Triad
$700 for half an hour!!! That is way to much and in keeping with spirituality, downright inapropriate (ericraven2003 are you certain about that?).

Given that you are correct she has a lot more to answer for that just this letter.....


Nontheless lets look at something else....

http://www.enformy.com/Gary-reHymanReview.htm

Any thoughts?

The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Triad @ Jan 28 2006, 01:50 PM) [snapback]1039567[/snapback]

$700 for half an hour!!! That is way to much and in keeping with spirituality, downright inapropriate (ericraven2003 are you certain about that?).

Given that you are correct she has a lot more to answer for that just this letter.....
Nontheless lets look at something else....

http://www.enformy.com/Gary-reHymanReview.htm

Any thoughts?

If I remember correctly the $ amount came from artilce that was posted on thread in this forum. I am skeptic and people like her will keep me that way. original.gif
angrycrustacean
It comes across as a well-written and heartfelt letter.

However, being a scam artist, we know dear old Sylvia is a VERY smooth talker. yes.gif
Triad
Ok well that is a lot of money for a reading......to be honest have never charged anyone for anything like that and have no plans to change and I have been involved in some rather unique situations.

QUOTE

I am skeptic and people like her will keep me that way.


The thing is this, in every field there are opportunist, in the case of this woman she seems to be a crook (to be clear). But that does change the fact that there are sincere people in the world who practice the art like those who accept Karma as there reward and also those whose financial gains gain's are only for basic needs in (relegation to common cultural standards).

However I can respect your skepticisms.

Any thoughts?

jujubee
QUOTE(thorre @ Jan 28 2006, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1039338[/snapback]

this is a note from sylvia browne...now how can you all say shes bad? no.gif
A Brief Note to the Skeptic Society:
I’m afraid I’ve created a misimpression over the years, for which I want to apologize. Somehow, in my willingness to enter into public discussions with you, I’ve mistakenly led you to believe that I have a stake of some sort in your approval, when nothing could be further from the truth. As the saying goes, my self-worth is completely unrelated to your opinion of me, and I’ve worked far too hard for far too many years, and have far too much left to do, to jump through hoops in the hope of proving something you’ve staked your reputations on mocking. Whatever your opinions, you’re certainly entitled to them, as I’m entitled to mine. The only power that I answer to is God and the Christ Consciousness and beyond that there is no one else I’m accountable to for my gift.

If it’s true that you’ve accumulated $1 million, I can’t congratulate you enough. I’ve checked with my staff, by the way, and no one ever saw, let alone returned, whatever confirmation to that effect you mailed to my office. We can only assume that you sent it to our old Dillon Avenue address, from which we moved months ago, in which case yes, the post office would have returned it to you. Let me clarify: I have no interest in your $1 million or any intention of pursuing it. (See above position on jumping through hoops.)

I do however have a suggestion regarding the money that I mean from the bottom of my heart: please, please do what I would have done with it and donate it to a worthy, legitimate charity. I’ve worked for years with the wonderful Multiple Sclerosis Foundation who would put it to such good use, or there are many charities, including the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army, who’ve been such a Godsend to the hurricanes Katrina and Rita victims. Now that you’ve gone to the trouble of raising it, imagine the joy of sharing it with those who need it so desperately.

I truly hope you’ll give this suggestion serious consideration and act on it. In the meantime, I wish you well, and God bless you.


*applause*
Jumping through anyone's hoop only feeds their need to feel superior, at your expense...Not a good way to go.

However...I do think her prices, are more business-like than spiritual...
But... To each his own.


Imaginary Friend
QUOTE(thorre @ Jan 28 2006, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1039338[/snapback]

this is a note from sylvia browne...now how can you all say shes bad? no.gif


Firstly let me say as a noob on board that this thread would have made more of an impact had one known the cause for this letter. Further, there is no Salutation that affirms it is addressed in any wise to one "Sylvia Brown". Linkage to the site that hosts said letter, would do a world of good in at least the appearance of legitimacy. (All respect to it's poster of course. original.gif )

And further, in answer to the above cited quotation; Yes!

And, "Absolutely yes!" , when that someone who assumes the stage name/alias "Sylvia Brown", has a record of perpetrating securities fraud and larceny! Sylvia Browne AKA/ Sylvia Celeste Shoemaker

Further, I will presume the 1 million dollars referenced in this post, is that proffered by James Randi; ( James Randi Educational Foundation - Article Link

Now consider this, given the alleged apologist statement in the alleged letter of one Ms. Sylvia Brown. If it is her gift, to be psychic, why not display it yet again to more viewers so as to engender their trust in your ability to help, and then with that one million dollars won, donate it to the MS Society and/or other worthy charities, so as to spread the gift and help further!?

Please, do not be fooled that someone claims they have no need to defend their self worth to someone else's approval, when they have quite literally made a fine living depending upon that approval , marketing their sense of self worth, to everyone else!
If Sylvia Brown is psychic, why do the persons who attend her with questions of their future(s), have to tell her why they are there? Why is it not the norm for her to make yet another exploitive appearance on Montel and witness, without edit, someone (and surely there have been), stand up and say; "Hello Sylvia, what's my name?"

Or, "Hello, I have so many things going on I don't know where to start. Tell me what you see Sylvia." ?

That she claims to donate the monies made off her personal enterprise to charity, holds no credibility as applies to the ethics of her proclamations as a psychic. She's a business woman and in the top percentage of income earners. That's why she Incorporated. (Sylvia Brown Incorporated

And as such, it behooves her (and any Corporation) to donate to 501C3 charities, for the sake of the bottom line. It is not an example of exemplary ethics in practice.


One is unwise to give seers credibility for mapping out their personal life. It's your journey, step by step. Listen to your own council, deep inside within the silence beyond the mind, and you will never be led astray because you have free access and a personal stake in the council!

Once a cheat always a cheat? Sylvia Brown is once and continues to make large bank making people believe she can see what they must live, after the tickets are sold and the studio lights darken. And besides that, one can not sue a psychic for fraud! Perhaps , as life is a lesson, her prior criminal enterprises and their reckoning, taught her something after all!

And the next time you have the opportunity to encounter SB on TV or elsewhere, listen to her speak. Psychic? One knows better, and even believers must wonder, if it is true one get's what they give, (comes around goes around), after a lifetime of speaking falsehoods for material gain, if she is even remotely aware she suffers what sounds to be throat/larynx cancer!? Have you ever heard her cough? They usually mute the sound or cut to commercial, because once heard it sounds awful, so to preserve her image they turn the sound down/off. But they can not promote her fraud if they mute the voice that says it all.

Speaking lies, engendering false trust. Money, fame, fortunes lust. Every material thing owned by all those lies, spoken and now the debt owing, taking voice unto the day she dies!

Earthly Karma. She do be a bitc*! Thing is dear Sylvia, life is choice.


But she should have known that. Right!? innocent.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Imaginary Friend @ Jan 30 2006, 11:28 AM) [snapback]1041447[/snapback]

Firstly let me say as a noob on board that this thread would have made more of an impact had one known the cause for this letter. Further, there is no Salutation that affirms it is addressed in any wise to one "Sylvia Brown". Linkage to the site that hosts said letter, would do a world of good in at least the appearance of legitimacy. (All respect to it's poster of course. original.gif )

And further, in answer to the above cited quotation; Yes!

And, "Absolutely yes!" , when that someone who assumes the stage name/alias "Sylvia Brown", has a record of perpetrating securities fraud and larceny! Sylvia Browne AKA/ Sylvia Celeste Shoemaker

Further, I will presume the 1 million dollars referenced in this post, is that proffered by James Randi; ( James Randi Educational Foundation - Article Link

Now consider this, given the alleged apologist statement in the alleged letter of one Ms. Sylvia Brown. If it is her gift, to be psychic, why not display it yet again to more viewers so as to engender their trust in your ability to help, and then with that one million dollars won, donate it to the MS Society and/or other worthy charities, so as to spread the gift and help further!?

Please, do not be fooled that someone claims they have no need to defend their self worth to someone else's approval, when they have quite literally made a fine living depending upon that approval , marketing their sense of self worth, to everyone else!
If Sylvia Brown is psychic, why do the persons who attend her with questions of their future(s), have to tell her why they are there? Why is it not the norm for her to make yet another exploitive appearance on Montel and witness, without edit, someone (and surely there have been), stand up and say; "Hello Sylvia, what's my name?"

Or, "Hello, I have so many things going on I don't know where to start. Tell me what you see Sylvia." ?

That she claims to donate the monies made off her personal enterprise to charity, holds no credibility as applies to the ethics of her proclamations as a psychic. She's a business woman and in the top percentage of income earners. That's why she Incorporated. (Sylvia Brown Incorporated

And as such, it behooves her (and any Corporation) to donate to 501C3 charities, for the sake of the bottom line. It is not an example of exemplary ethics in practice.
One is unwise to give seers credibility for mapping out their personal life. It's your journey, step by step. Listen to your own council, deep inside within the silence beyond the mind, and you will never be led astray because you have free access and a personal stake in the council!

Once a cheat always a cheat? Sylvia Brown is once and continues to make large bank making people believe she can see what they must live, after the tickets are sold and the studio lights darken. And besides that, one can not sue a psychic for fraud! Perhaps , as life is a lesson, her prior criminal enterprises and their reckoning, taught her something after all!

And the next time you have the opportunity to encounter SB on TV or elsewhere, listen to her speak. Psychic? One knows better, and even believers must wonder, if it is true one get's what they give, (comes around goes around), after a lifetime of speaking falsehoods for material gain, if she is even remotely aware she suffers what sounds to be throat/larynx cancer!? Have you ever heard her cough? They usually mute the sound or cut to commercial, because once heard it sounds awful, so to preserve her image they turn the sound down/off. But they can not promote her fraud if they mute the voice that says it all.

Speaking lies, engendering false trust. Money, fame, fortunes lust. Every material thing owned by all those lies, spoken and now the debt owing, taking voice unto the day she dies!

Earthly Karma. She do be a bitc*! Thing is dear Sylvia, life is choice.
But she should have known that. Right!? innocent.gif

Great post. Welcome to UM. I love the statment with your signature.
Imaginary Friend
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Jan 30 2006, 08:09 PM) [snapback]1041595[/snapback]

Great post. Welcome to UM. original.gif Thank you.

I love the statment with your signature.
Thank you again. Yes that's Nietzche. I'm a big fan. wink2.gif

QUOTE

"Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?"
Friedrich Nietzsche, Twilight of the Idols, Maxims and Arrows
Knightmeir
What a load of steaming horse crap. laugh.gif

She doesn't want to jump through hoops... here's the deal for all you psychics, and psychic believers/defenders:

Don't want to jump through hoops? Give yourselves some credibility by proving you are what you say you are. Then you won't have to worry about people mocking you, ridiculing you, or demanding proof (that you inevitably avoid like the plague). If you aren't going to show us proof, stop telling everyone you're a psychic. Problem solved!!

She won't do it for money. Ok then, do it and tell them to keep the money. You don't need the money, and you don't want to use it for monetary gain. Do it for something good, and let people see it. I'm just a human, with no psychic abilities, and just used my own logic to come up with that.

These alleged psychics have the "eye of God" at their fingertips supposedly, but can't think up a good reason why they shouldn't use their X-Men powers to do good for planet earth and it's inhabitants.

Emo kids. rolleyes.gif
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