Many people believe that Dinosaurs evolved into birds right?

So is the idea of a Dragon so far fetched?

It could have evolved from another type of Dinosaur. It was only recently that we discovered dinosaurs with feathers.
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I'm sure one big thing that would be pointed out is that the whole dinosaur to bird thing involves only 4 limbs - you can even see that in that picture you posted. There is no evidence of 6 limbed creatures other than insects.

Maybe dragons were giant insects?

lmaooooooooooooo

yeah a fire breathing cockroach is just what we need


K13: id love to believe dragons were real, i just dont think they ever were

K13, Actually some of the early pterosaurs with their long tails and mouths full of teeth look a great deal like representations of "four limbed dragons" also referred to as wyrvens. Any 6 limbed chordate however would be "alien" to our natural world.

Scientists and historians remain perplexed why eerily similar dragons occur in the myths and religions of mankind in every corner of the earth, but it should be remembered that in most cases they are never considered natural animals, but have supernatural abilities, often talk, considered immortal, and are servants to gods or are gods themselves. Indeed, dragons would have to have "supernatural" abilities, if not to spew fire, but certainly just to fly. The largest pterosaurs with their huge wingspans have bodies only the size of a human, and it is probable no natural, flying creature could achieve a greater size as there is only so much bone and muscle are physically capable of doing.

Giant flying dragons could only be real creatures if we acknowledge the exisitence of the supernatural. Dragons are prominent creatures in virtually every relgion, so if just one of these religions has any authenticity, this may explain the world's dragon legends, and if some kind of immortal, or supernatural creature, would also explain why no fossil evidence of them has ever been found.

For example, although it has largely been "covered up" in recent centuries, winged flying reptiles are heavenly servant creatures in the Judao-Christian theologies. Though changed into winged humanoid "angels" by the Roman Catholic church to resemble the winged pagan gods of Rome, the actual meaning of "Seraphim" are "fiery, winged serpents", and going back in time even further, a winged monster in the Egyptian language is called a "Serrif" which is certainly the root of the Hebrew word, and its hieroglyph looks like a winged dragon. The tree guarding "Cherubim" were also originally dragons, going back to the sumerian prototype of the Biblical Eden story, with the talking, winged, reptilian dragon Nin-gish-zida, the "lord of the good tree", and from this original, we have giant serpents and dragons guarding trees of immortality in religions and legends around the world. God is described flying on the back of one in two books of the Bible, and whenever this is depicted in Biblical art, the creature God rides is a great winged dragon. Curiously, the Catholic church somehow changed these fearsome and enormous reptilian creatures into chubby little "baby angels", based on other Roman demi-gods, the most familiar being "Cupid".

Dragons, if real, probably would have a connection to the dinosaurs however for if we acknowedge a "slow" creation of billions of years, with an overseeing, creator god, that may have wanted to have a powerful, sentient creature to perform various functions millions of years before the human form, and with it the human-like "angel" servants would eventually evolve. Therefore a winged reptile of the mesozoic, enhanced with greater intelligence and other abilities would be plausible, and these wouuld become the "dragons" recorded by mankind in later centuries, and are the Seraphim, Cherubim, Leviathan, and dragons mentioned in the bible, and similar creatures in other theologies and legends.

There is a great deal of discussion about this in some old "dragon" threads both in the crypto and paleontology forums you may want to read.

But the bottom line is that if there is no such thing as "God", then his dragon servants must be as equally nonexistent. But if God is real, than so may be the supernatural dragons recorded in every human culture. Lets face it, there is more literary documentation for dragons around the world, than any other diety or supernatural being, though like "the Gods," there are no physical remains of their existence. Believing in dragons then, like the God or gods that apparetly command them, must remain a matter of faith.

Actually it is finally being accepted for what it is....a myth...make believe.....a way to try to explain something not understood back then.

If that's true Zandore, than you just as well throw out virtually everything else in the bible that implies anything "supernatural", without which, there would be no religion. Do you really think one of the best documented things in the Bible should be less believable than many things more outlandish that unlike dragons, do not have parallels in other cultures? There is virtually no historical evidence for any biblical characters or creatures EXCEPT for dragons! So why exclude the one unexplained thing in the Bible that at least has some basis of believability considering virtually every human culture acknowledged these creatures. Perhaps a universal spiritual "truth" as they say.

Well lest just throw it all out.

I agree with Ericraven

All physiology points against that dinosaurs evolved into dragons.

You evidently didn't understand what Eric said Frogfish, he agreed with the logic that everything else of a supernatural or unexplined nature in the Bible should also be "thrown out" along with the many references to dragons and dragon-like creatures. So that would include angels, virgin birth, rising from the dead, demons, devils, and many other supernatural things you have already said you believed in on these forums.

I only find it curious that of all these supernatural religious things, you find the one better documented than all the rest, one reported on and believed throughout the world for thousands of years, and not by just the reliigions associated with the Bible, to be the one you find the most unbelievable.

If any "God" is real, it may very well be that the "dragon servants" of the Bible, and many other theologies are a "creator-improved" dinosaur or pterosaur, much as mankind is a creator-improved version of primates.

But maybe mankind is only an "accident", and everything having to do with belief in a creator should be "thrown out" as Eric suggested, but there are many great scientists who know far more about life on earth, and all of its intracacies who would disagree.

Read my Bible and you will find out.

Interesting Idea K-13, though techicnally feasible it probably did not occur, at least not without some outside interference.

Frogfish, show us your "bible" and we may be inclined to better understand where you are really coming from.

lol.... my silly facination with dragons........

K13,
it may be a silly facination with dragons that you have but it is one that many and i myself share. But we still have to ask ourselves if the dragon never existed in this time or another WHY is the so many refrences about them in many cultures?


Food for thought!

NIV

IF dinosaurs did evolve into dragon....they would of evolved a extra pair of limbs...But that would of happen really fast...that's why it is unplausible...You need more time to evolve extra limbs.

Many depictions of dragons show them with wings and just one set of clawed feet. This of course would be the most natural, and the early pterosaurs with tails and toothed jaws look just like the popular conception of two limb, two wing dragons. The four limbed plus winged"Cerhubim and Seraphim dragons" depicted on the seven branched candlestick and much early Christian art seem more fantastic in nature, but no more fantastic than so many other "miracles" in the bible. The Egyptian Hieroglyph for the Hebrew Seraphim dragon is a classic fantasy dragon of this type with four limbs plus wings.

OKAAAY.....



So DC this is what a dragon looks like?

What DC was saying, if i understand him, is that many dragons are either large four-legged creatures with possible ties to the dinosaurs (abd similar beasts) or are more like the flying reptiles, such as Queztacoatlus or Pteradactyl(sp). the latter form is what we see in most movies now.