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psyche101
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The turtle of Hoan Kiem Lake sounds terribly lonely. Such experts as there are on this most elusivecreature, Vietnam's only slightly less fabulous version of the Loch Ness Monster, contend furiously over its likely age and its species - even its sex is unknown - but they do seem to agree on its size. Its shell is thought to measure a metre and a half long by just over a metre wide, which makes its extremely rare sightings in a body of water that stretches no more than 600 metres from shore to shore, in the middle of Hanoi, all the more mysterious.


Legend has it that the turtle first appeared in the 15th century, when it arose from the waters of the lake to reclaim from King LeLoi, out boating with his courtiers, a magic swordlent him by the gods toexpel a rampaging Chinesearmy. Professor Ha Dinh Duc, recently retired from Hanoi National University and probably the foremost authority on the turtle, thinks the real animal could indeed be that old: the adult of a hatchling the king himself may have released into Hoan Kiem some 600 years ago (Galapagos turtles live almost half as long). He also insists this awesomely long-lived beast is the last of its kind - that when it does finally die, it will die truly alone.

Hanoians revere the legendary denizen of Hoan Kiem, in part because of its putative survival through so many centuries of their country's history and in part because of its role in a tale of Vietnamese victory overa great, invading power. What many of them do not believe - given that its snout is only apparently glimpsed above the water every decade or so and that it has never been caught - is that the turtle exists.

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Looks to exist
angrycrustacean
This is something I could believe. First of all, turtles are species we already know, unlike some (coughnessiecough). Secondly, known species of turtles can get huge, so if this is an entirely new species or a mutation of an already large one, the shell dimensions don't seem too farfetched. Thirdly, turtles can live for collossally long time, so well it may not be the same turtle from the 15th century, it could be, say, only 5-7 generations descended form the initial giant turtles.
Glacies
believeable, though what cryptid story is without its flaws? I just wondered...don't a majority (if not all) aquatic turtles lay eggs outside the water...you'd think it'd be seen more often, unless they are correct with it being the last of its kind, then a hundred or so years with no activity on shore would seem reasonable...just the ramblings of a mind with not enough work to do. lol
BigfootForever
are those pictures proven real or does someone just claim them to be real?
I have heard about this before and I thought it was real.
Sofia Alexandra
QUOTE(Glacies @ Jan 30 2006, 06:25 AM) [snapback]1040959[/snapback]

believeable, though what cryptid story is without its flaws? I just wondered...don't a majority (if not all) aquatic turtles lay eggs outside the water...you'd think it'd be seen more often, unless they are correct with it being the last of its kind, then a hundred or so years with no activity on shore would seem reasonable...just the ramblings of a mind with not enough work to do. lol

Well there's only one turtle, and no one knows what gender it is. If it's a male it wouldn't be laying any eggs in the first place, and if it's a female she wouldn't be laying any eggs anyway since she doesn't have a mate. original.gif
Byuu94
I did a topic on this a while back. I really turly believe that it is real. There is a real turtle called the Giant Asian Softshell Turtle that is about 3 feet across and has the characteristic tube-nose of softshells. The Hoan Kiem Turtle is very likely to be simply a larger variant of this species (It's about 5-6 feet). There are pictures in the gallery, if you want to see it.
I'll look for some more pics.
Byuu94
They're real
http://www.chelonia.org/rafetus_gallery.htm
The pics labeled Rafetus swinhoei are it.

Full fact sheet about it.

However, some still claim that the Hoan Kiem Turtle is a different species, but this should prove that it is indeed real.
BigfootForever
QUOTE(Byuu94 @ Jan 30 2006, 12:46 PM) [snapback]1041461[/snapback]

They're real
http://www.chelonia.org/rafetus_gallery.htm
The pics labeled Rafetus swinhoei are it.

Full fact sheet about it.

However, some still claim that the Hoan Kiem Turtle is a different species, but this should prove that it is indeed real.


the one in the picture labeled veterinary treatment is huge!
haunted_andrew
Why can't all crypto photographs be that good?
psyche101
QUOTE(haunted_andrew @ Jan 31 2006, 09:24 AM) [snapback]1041908[/snapback]

Why can't all crypto photographs be that good?

Sure wpuld end a great deal of arguments wouldn't it.

The head look alot like a seal in some of the photographs, wonder if this creature is to blame for some other lake monsters?
Byuu94
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The head look alot like a seal in some of the photographs, wonder if this creature is to blame for some other lake monsters?


The second link says:
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There are six living specimens of the species known to exist (2004). Five are in China including one in the Beijing Zoo, one in the Shanghai Zoo, one in the Suzhou Zoo, and two in the Western Gardens of a temple in Suzhou. The sixth living Rafetus is in Hoan Kiem Lake in the center of Hanoi, Vietnam.


Three of the six are in captivity, and since their range is south-eastern asia it would be unlikely that they are/were responsible for sightings in other areas.

psyche101
^ Just thinking, if these things live for possibly hundreds of years, one would think that some of the species may have migrated, or there could certainly be variations of the species in other parts of the planet. Would make getting in and out of lochs/lakes easier, especially the sightings, if someone is loking for a monster , and they see a turtle, it is likely to be dismissed (ie. that's not Champ, it's a turtle - keep looking), and such a small creature (in refrence to a 'nessie') would be easily able to move up streams and the like to enter these water bodies, granted, not likely in Scotland with the intense cold, but sure could explain heaps of sightings. Freaky looking head on the thing original.gif

Think I read a sftory a few weeks ago where a turtle was found in ice and lived when thawed, will look for the link. (Think it was found in Sweden or somewhere like that)

These things just seem to me to be a lot more likely than a few Plesiosaur's still hiding in underground caves. wacko.gif
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