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lochiel
Siberia is having its coldest winter (-68) in twenty years, the northeast USA is having an extremely warm winter, and two category 5 hurricanes in the gulf this past summer add up to something strange. What's next?
aquatus1
Depends on which climactic model you follow. Most show a bit rougher weather ahead, followed by a gradual return to what we were used to in about eight years, give or take.

Why is this in the conspiracy section?
et's daddy
so we know that this isnt just the natural pace of weather ?

meaning maybe we are moving more away from the ice age still ?

maybe at the farthest point from the ice age the northeast is supposed to have year-round weather like Tampa ?

we dont know do we ?
The Silver Thong
I think he might be talking about weather manipulation IE: scalar tech
evil_E.T
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Jan 30 2006, 07:05 PM) [snapback]1041524[/snapback]

so we know that this isnt just the natural pace of weather ?

meaning maybe we are moving more away from the ice age still ?

maybe at the farthest point from the ice age the northeast is supposed to have year-round weather like Tampa ?

we dont know do we ?

huh.gif what?
et's daddy
QUOTE(evil_E.T @ Jan 30 2006, 02:19 PM) [snapback]1041538[/snapback]

huh.gif what?


it's like this

the last major such event on Earth was an ice age

you have an ice age, then a warming period, then another ice age

well maybe we are still heading towards the peak of the warming period

just a natural occurance of the planet

then maybe in another 1000 years or so we will head towards the ice age again

just a theory of mine
no fact to back it up

seems to make as much sense as anything else
aquatus1
It's actually very close to that. The only thing is that indicators, meaning the amount of oxygen locked in ice, the general trend of temperature change, etc, all pointed towards use heading into another ice age. In the past few decades, though, that trend has reversed. It was once thought that was just a fluctuation, but today it is generally considered to be the result of global warming, which is heating up the planet faster than other factors are cooling it.
PLO
fact is the earths polarity is due to flip sometime soon, meaning extreme weather changes, if however gradual at first and pollution though not affecting our gravity will certainly accelerate any anomalous weather patterns.

but on a more conpsirotal note, Russia used to used to manipulate the weather against america during the cold war to flood all their super farms and ruin crop output. Who knows what 50 years has done for the sopistication of that technology. Back then it was pretty simple, now they actually manipulate the ionisation of particles in our atmosphere.
aquatus1
QUOTE(PLO @ Jan 30 2006, 08:28 PM) [snapback]1041624[/snapback]

fact is the earths polarity is due to flip sometime soon, meaning extreme weather changes, if however gradual at first and pollution though not affecting our gravity will certainly accelerate any anomalous weather patterns.


To the best of my knowledge, there is no connection between the polarity of the Earth and weather patterns.

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but on a more conpsirotal note, Russia used to used to manipulate the weather against america during the cold war to flood all their super farms and ruin crop output. Who knows what 50 years has done for the sopistication of that technology. Back then it was pretty simple, now they actually manipulate the ionisation of particles in our atmosphere.


Yeah...simple...

What's this now?
PLO
"To the best of my knowledge, there is no connection between the polarity of the Earth and weather patterns."

gravity amongst other things temperature, humidty, particle density sun spots, solar winds etc control our weather patterns even plankton have a serious affect on cloud formation. And like the sun, and this happens every eight years, the North South poles switch. As this occurs our weather will change in the most extreme ways.
aquatus1
QUOTE(PLO @ Jan 30 2006, 09:02 PM) [snapback]1041686[/snapback]

gravity amongst other things temperature, humidty, particle density sun spots, solar winds etc control our weather patterns even plankton have a serious affect on cloud formation.


Yes, but the flipping of the poles has nothing to do with gravity. The poles are the result of the Earth's magnetic field, and compared to the electromagnetic radiation beaming down from the Sun (which is by and large what dictates our weather), our planets magnetic field is negligable.

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And like the sun, and this happens every eight years, the North South poles switch. As this occurs our weather will change in the most extreme ways.


The poles switch approximately every 500,000 to 800,000 years, not every eight years. And there has never been any major climactic event that has corresponded with the flipping of the poles.

There might be a way to influence weather, but magnetism isn't it.
The Silver Thong
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Jan 30 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]1042190[/snapback]

Yes, but the flipping of the poles has nothing to do with gravity. The poles are the result of the Earth's magnetic field, and compared to the electromagnetic radiation beaming down from the Sun (which is by and large what dictates our weather), our planets magnetic field is negligable.
The poles switch approximately every 500,000 to 800,000 years, not every eight years. And there has never been any major climactic event that has corresponded with the flipping of the poles.

There might be a way to influence weather, but magnetism isn't it.


As far as influence the weather,in what manner? Cloud dusting, microwaves, scalar or just plain old global warming due to cars/cow farts wink2.gif
aquatus1
Well, more in the natural weather patterns, I think, mainly because I really haven't the strength to entertain notions of intentional weather control used for the purposes of wagin warfare.
Harks
This weather talk is just speculation, if man made weather controlling machines existed, there would not be too many countries that would have this technology. Why would they let it loose on their own country, just to make the poor people in New Orleans move out and to damage a major oil resource to cause another fuel price hike. Then again they might and HAARP could be the source using Scalar Electromagnetics. blink.gif

The earth has been experiencing weather from both extremes for millions of years, we as man, have only been here in a blink of an eye, as they say. Only in the last hundred years we have developed global communications system, and now that the world is a much smaller place we hear more and more about these so called freak tragedies, such as floods, earthquakes, famine, wars, and extreme weather, this has been going on for as long as recorded human history existed. People always overdramatise when some sort of tragedy happens, look at the normal news reports, they up play any situation to get ratings and sell news papers. We have not seen this earth in it's extreme yet, there will be another iceage, massive earthquakes, mega volcanos, floods, etc etc. We will just hear more about it, and try to blame someone or something for it. tongue.gif
PLO
actually no the sun flips its poles every eight years.

"Yes, but the flipping of the poles has nothing to do with gravity. The poles are the result of the Earth's magnetic field"

where do you think gravity comes from?, gravity controls the flow of the ocean currents and tides, this is turn dictates the amount of lcouds which then are moved by the wind. Gravity has everythign to do with our weather.
aquatus1
QUOTE(PLO @ Jan 31 2006, 05:26 PM) [snapback]1042701[/snapback]

actually no the sun flips its poles every eight years.


My mistake. When you said "fact is the earths polarity is due to flip sometime soon", I assumed you were speaking of, well...Earth.

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"Yes, but the flipping of the poles has nothing to do with gravity. The poles are the result of the Earth's magnetic field"

where do you think gravity comes from?, gravity controls the flow of the ocean currents and tides, this is turn dictates the amount of lcouds which then are moved by the wind. Gravity has everythign to do with our weather.


Ahh...no. Gravity does not come from the Earth's magnetic field (or the Sun's), or from the poles of either. Nor does gravity control the flow of ocean currents (although it does control the tides). Gravity has little to do with weather.

The major factor, by a large percentage, that affects ocean currents, cloud formation, heck, even plankton population when you come down to it, is the energy from the sun. What is causing global warming is our interference with this energy leaving the planet.
PLO
no actually your right. i was gettin a bit carried away, electro magnetic field cancels itself out, aome madness invilivng positively charged such and such things, and negativley charges other thingy ma-doos. But then, what controls the currents, as the suns gravity still affects. If the moons controls the tides, the suns controls the currents....?
aquatus1
QUOTE(PLO @ Feb 1 2006, 12:03 AM) [snapback]1043196[/snapback]

no actually your right. i was gettin a bit carried away, electro magnetic field cancels itself out, aome madness invilivng positively charged such and such things, and negativley charges other thingy ma-doos. But then, what controls the currents, as the suns gravity still affects. If the moons controls the tides, the suns controls the currents....?


Not quite...in a roundabout way, I suppose one could say that gravity does indeed create the currents (although not control them).

Think of it this way: Gravity is pulling everything into the center of the Earth (or trying to, anyway). That means that the water on the surface of the planet has a downward tendency (which we call 'weight'). This tendencey, due to one of the laws of motion (That which is at rest will remain at rest until acted on by some outside force), causes water to stand still. The kicker, however, is the outside force: the Earth's rotation! The water may be trying to stand still, but the Earth is moving in circles, and so, the water is forced to move as well through the uneven surface it covers. This movement is refered to as the currents.

Now, currents, once in motion, contain a great deal of energy, and because of that, can be affected by (relatively) minor other energies. For instance, that rapid lowering of temperature, by, for instance, an Antartic ice shelf breaking off and melting into the Atlantic, might be enough to shift the current to a new direction; even though the ice itself wouldn't be able to create a current, it can modify an existing one.

Ultimately, water is the biggest heatsink on the planet, meaning it can absorb a lot of energy before responding, but the sun's radiation is, by and large, what it is absorbing, and asides from entire climate changes, individual events are unlikely to make long-term changes. The Butterfly Effect is a little bit exagerrated, in my opinion.
PLO
Ah, thats right. our planet moves eh, lol.

Would though the polarity switched affect the Earths Tilted wobble in anyway thus in turn causing disturbunces in our oceans?. I mean to what degree does the elctro magnetic field play on gravity, during an actual switch. I know it cuases complete havoc on the surface of the Sun with massive increases in sun spot and flare activity.

right basicaly the main concern is more radiation from the sun. Which will hopefully be deflkected by our magnetosphere anyway.

ffs, well thats hardly an exciting catacylmic affect.
aquatus1
The Earth's tilt and the polarity of the planet are unrelated (I believe it is Uranus that has the poles and the tilt at close to 90 degrees from Each other). It isn't the field that causes the havoc on the sun/s surface, but rather the havoc that creates the field. Magnetic lines on an object as large as the sun (remember, we are talking about a scale difference of unbelieavable proportions between the Sun and the Earth!) whirl and twirls, and occasionally knot themselves up like thread. When enough of these knots occur, the whole thing resets itself rather violently, sending out fiery arches that could easily loop up and over the Earth, were we closer. The same thing occurs on our planet. Eventually, enough magnetic anomolies occur to cause a polarity switch. We are still aways away from one, though. Currently, there are only three or four spots on Earth in which magnetic anomalies occur, The Bermuda Triangle being one, and the Devil's Triangle, on the opposite end of the world (those lines of force again; equal and opposite) being another.
PLO
okok.

cheers bud.
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