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AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 04:11 PM

Many of you reading this right now may be skeptical with such topics as UFO's, Extraterrestrial contact, and government conspiracies. You may not believe any of it. But now it is time for the full disclosure of the TRUTH. The following link is to the disclosure project press conference in May of 2001 at the National Press Club. I ask that you be open minded and not simply and biasedly dismiss all witness testimony as "lies". The witnesses included in the press conference are only a small portion of those involved with the project as a whole and only give very brief descriptions of their individual experiences as to not take up to much time. They are not your average people interviewed off the street describing amazing encounters that include no credible evidence whatsoever; they are former government employees, army commanders, air force personel etc. All of their backgrounds have been verified to prove without a shadow of a doubt that they indeed DID work in the fields they say they have and no discrepancies have yet been found in ANY of the witness testimony (more than 400 witnesses total and growing!). There is no reason whatsoever to make any such bold claims as to accuse any of the following witnessess of lying and anyone doing so is unquestionably biased.

For those of you unfamiliar with the disclosure project here is a brief description from their site: "The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret." The Disclosure Project's website can be found here: http://disclosureproject.org/

Video Link to 2001 Press Conference: http://disclosure.netro.ca/npcc.wmv

If all or at least some of this information is true, then it is without question the most important discovery in all of human history!!!

With this I ask just one thing of you. As a result of the corrupt media this has failed to be nationally recognized to the degree in which it truly deserves. It is of overwhelming importance that you send this on to everybody that you know, parents, grandparents, children, siblings, cousins, friends, co-workers etc. We must spread this information on to all before it is to late. As Sgt. Clifford Stone of the US Army warns: "We have got to get the documentation as it exists in the Government files. We have got to get it released before it ultimately is destroyed!" We must not allow the remaining documents to fall into the same fate as previously classified documents as stated by Sgt. Clifford Stone: "A good example is the Blue Fly and Moon Dust files. I had classified documents the Air Force acknowledged. When I got members of Congress to help me open up more files, they were immediately destroyed and I can prove this." pass this information on to everyone you know to help educate the public of the hidden truth about this topic that is so very vital to our future!!!

President Eisenhower's farewell address to the nation, January 1961: "In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."

Astronomer Carl Sagan believed that modern physics was not discovered centuries earlier because it was deterred by religious superstition, suggesting that ET's advanced civilization would be due to an unbiased pursuit of science. Human pride and an imposition of politics on science are the best explanations for impeded scientific progress and a closed-mindedness to the most astonishing possibility in history - that Extraterrestials are already here!

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 04:16 PM

et's daddy

Feb 4 2006, 04:18 PM

the question with me isnt if i believe

i do

the question is, what do we do about it ?

btw welcome to the forum

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 04:21 PM

QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 4 2006, 11:18 AM) [snapback]1048148[/snapback]

the question with me isnt if i believe

i do

the question is, what do we do about it ?

What we do is we spread this knowledge on to EVERYONE that we know. It is imperative to the future of humanity that the general public come to terms with this undeniable reality! We must spread this truth on to anyone and everyone in any way possible for the good of humanity!!!!!

Unlimited

Feb 4 2006, 04:22 PM

wow youv'e been busy .........lotta stuff their welcome to the forum!

Lilly

Feb 4 2006, 04:32 PM

QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 4 2006, 04:11 PM) [snapback]1048140[/snapback]

Astronomer Carl Sagan believed that modern physics was not discovered centuries earlier because it was deterred by religious superstition, suggesting that ET's advanced civilization would be due to an unbiased pursuit of science. Human pride and an imposition of politics on science are the best explanations for impeded scientific progress and a closed-mindedness to the most astonishing possibility in history - that Extraterrestials are already here!

To my knowledge science has yet to come to the conclusion that "Extraterrestrials are already here." From what I can tell, most scientifically inclined folks fall into the catagory that you'd probably call "skeptics". The disclosure project is simply a collection of anecdotal testimony...not scientific evidence. Human pride and politics have little to do with the absence of data, as far as I can tell at least. I'm sure others will disagree. But then, I'm one of those "evil skeptics" who actually need evidence before I come to a conclusion about something. user posted image

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(Lilly @ Feb 4 2006, 11:32 AM) [snapback]1048171[/snapback]

To my knowledge science has yet to come to the conclusion that "Extraterrestrials are already here." From what I can tell, most scientifically inclined folks fall into the catagory that you'd probably call "skeptics". The disclosure project is simply a collection of anecdotal testimony...not scientific evidence. Human pride and politics have little to do with the absence of data, as far as I can tell at least. I'm sure others will disagree. But then, I'm one of those "evil skeptics" who actually need evidence before I come to a conclusion about something. user posted image

Did you happen to look into any of the links i provided in my second post for further clarification? Obviously not. Please review ALL available data before coming to your conclusion. This is the reason all skeptics never stand up to careful scrutiny, they don't do their homework!

Unlimited

Feb 4 2006, 04:36 PM

we got a live one here. great day for the believers...lol

et's daddy

Feb 4 2006, 04:40 PM

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we got a live one here. great day for the believers...lol

its always a great day to be a believer limited

days get frustrating but in the end youre still a believer

and some skeptics may claim it is easy to be a believer, but it isnt

some days it is tough as hell, always feeling like the evidence you seek is right around the corner. but all you find are more loose ends, or another brick wall

but it is still a great day

rapid7

Feb 4 2006, 04:53 PM

The believers and the knowers are taking back the unexplained forum!
Spread the word!

hazzard

Feb 4 2006, 05:09 PM

Welcome to the forum Prophecy guru and nice research.

Unfortunatly Lilly is right. The disclosure project is simply a collection of anecdotal testimony...not scientific evidence. Like I said on another thread,to be taken seriously, you need physical evidence that can be examined at leisure by skeptical scientists: a scraping of the whole object/ship, and the discovery that it contains isotopic ratios that aren't present on earth, chemical elements form the so-called island of stability, very heavy elements that don't exist on earth. Or material of absolutely bizarre properties of many sorts -- electrical conductivity or ductility. There are many things like that that would instantly give serious credence to an account.

And rapid7,I wasn't aware that this was some sort of pi**ing contest,we are all on the same side though our view of what constitutes real proof might differ.You might settle on faith and belief only,I do not.

Lilly

Feb 4 2006, 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 4 2006, 04:35 PM) [snapback]1048179[/snapback]

Did you happen to look into any of the links i provided in my second post for further clarification? Obviously not. Please review ALL available data before coming to your conclusion. This is the reason all skeptics never stand up to careful scrutiny, they don't do their homework!

The disclosure project is "old news" I've seen the whole thing. And the links you provided...I've seen the material contained in most of them. I've looked into the UFO Art angle, the Sitchin stuff, Majestic 12, various investigations (from Bluebook to Cometa), Stanton Friedman, Bernard Haisch, Bruce Macabee and so forth. I've been onto the 'ufo evidence' website as well as the 'ufo casebook' site, and many others as well. I have a passing knowledge of physics and a fairly strong background in science to boot. I always "do my homework".

A passing observation: the plural of anecdote isn't data. One can talk about and speculate what might be possible from dawn until dusk. One can invoke conspiracy and secret organizations as suppressing evidence...but at the end of the day it's the evidence that has to speak for itself. I await the compelling exhibit A, something that is irrefutable evidence that aliens have visited the Earth. Until this is found, everything else is speculative.

So, you think you have "scientific proof" for the existence of ET? I suggest that you test this conclusion by taking all of this stuff to a scientific forum of your choice. I'd suggest a couple, but that usually doesn't go over well, so you choose. Provide a link so that we here at Unexplained Mysteries can see the important results.

Nethius

Feb 4 2006, 05:13 PM

QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 4 2006, 12:16 PM) [snapback]1048146[/snapback]

Ancient Summerians and Nibiru

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/solution.html (Very interesting scientific theory!)
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/water.html (Brings alot of credibility to his previous theory!!)
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/release...19_kuiper.shtml
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0601...iper_stars.html
http://xfacts.com/sumerian.htm
http://xfacts.com/sumerian_culture.html
http://xfacts.com/updates/history.ram
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=64...=ancient+aliens
http://www.xfacts.com/MUFON_LA/ (video clips of mufon LA press conference. The video quality is poor but there is not much to see anyway so all you really need is the audio which is not choppy but very interesting indeed and definatly worth the time.)
Many other Planet X, Zecharia Sitchin and Ancient Summerian related videos, books and audio interviews and lectures of different kinds can be found at http://xfacts.com/

Ancient Artwork

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

The Ancient artwork has been discussed here, there have been plausible explanations.
Here are a couple good sites - http://www.ufoartwork.com/ - http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_1_eng.htm

As far as Nibiru, it does not exist. If you can provide one piece of evidence please do so. don't send 50 links, just give us one link and quote the important parts in your post.

[edit for spelling]

Rykster

Feb 4 2006, 05:15 PM

To be honest, I couldn't get through the video at the top of the post. It was too boring.

*EnIgMa*

Feb 4 2006, 05:17 PM

I think it was actually kind of "generous" (I guess you could say), for taking ALL that time, and putting together a strong post... Nice work young grasshopper *bow*

Rykster

Feb 4 2006, 05:19 PM

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I think it was actually kind of "generous" (I guess you could say), for taking ALL that time, and putting together a strong post... Nice work young grasshopper *bow*

I didn't in any way mean to insult PG. It was the video that did me in.

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 05:22 PM

The fact is, if there are other intelligent life forms in our galaxy that are older than us then it is not just possible but very probable that they would come here. For one thing we know they would eventually wish to explore other stars in search of life and considering the fact that many of the stars in the galaxy are more than 6 BILLION years older than the sun, the technology they would be capable of harnassing is beyond our comprehension. We are also possibly the noisiest civilization in the entire galaxy pumping out thousands of tv and radio transmissions on a daily basis for the past 100 years. Not only that but the fact that we are a very violent civilization practicing NUCLEAR WEAPONS which could possibly endanger all life in the galaxy if we are to advance into space with our hostile ways. You would have to be galactically brain dead not to take notice of something like that! Also there have been many well documented sightings in and around large bodies of water. For all we know we could be extremely lucky compared to the rest of the galaxy with our abundance of water yet all we do is pollute it. Water is such an important natural resource for all life forms that we know of and has been suggested by many scientists to be a possible fuel source. Further more it is not just logically possible that we are being visited, it is probable!

*EnIgMa*

Feb 4 2006, 05:25 PM

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I didn't in any way mean to insult PG. It was the video that did me in.

No man, you snuck your post in before mine... It was directed at the guy above you...

EDIT: Nethius, don't take that the wrong way, just when you said "don't send 50 posts.." I thought it was a little uncalled for, but forget I even said it...uh, carry on

angrycrustacean

Feb 4 2006, 05:28 PM

Nice effort, and welcome to UM.

However your use of Pravda as a source casts doubts on many of the other sources you provided.

*EnIgMa*

Feb 4 2006, 05:30 PM

The "P" word

Rykster

Feb 4 2006, 05:32 PM

QUOTE(Mind_Freak @ Feb 4 2006, 12:25 PM) [snapback]1048268[/snapback]

No man, you snuck your post in before mine... It was directed at the guy above you...

Gotcha

hazzard

Feb 4 2006, 05:35 PM

QUOTE(Lilly @ Feb 4 2006, 06:12 PM) [snapback]1048248[/snapback]

So, you think you have "scientific proof" for the existence of ET? I suggest that you test this conclusion by taking all of this stuff to a scientific forum of your choice. I'd suggest a couple, but that usually doesn't go over well, so you choose. Provide a link so that we here at Unexplained Mysteries can see the important results.

Here is a good scientific site.

http://www.bautforum.com/

The Skeptic Eric Raven

Feb 4 2006, 05:36 PM

QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 4 2006, 11:22 AM) [snapback]1048262[/snapback]

The fact is, if there are other intelligent life forms in our galaxy that are older than us then it is not just possible but very probable that they would come here. For one thing we know they would eventually wish to explore other stars in search of life and considering the fact that many of the stars in the galaxy are more than 6 BILLION years older than the sun, the technology they would be capable of harnassing is beyond our comprehension. We are also possibly the noisiest civilization in the entire galaxy pumping out thousands of tv and radio transmissions on a daily basis for the past 100 years. Not only that but the fact that we are a very violent civilization practicing NUCLEAR WEAPONS which could possibly endanger all life in the galaxy if we are to advance into space with our hostile ways. You would have to be galactically brain dead not to take notice of something like that! Also there have been many well documented sightings in and around large bodies of water. For all we know we could be extremely lucky compared to the rest of the galaxy with our abundance of water yet all we do is pollute it. Water is such an important natural resource for all life forms that we know of and has been suggested by many scientists to be a possible fuel source. Further more it is not just logically possible that we are being visited, it is probable!

All of this is nothing but your opinion thats it. I have looked through the Disclosure project. It is not hard evidence. And it is in no way probable that aliens are visting us. There is a chance they exist somewhere in some form but very unlikely to none that they are visiting us.

Unlimited

Feb 4 2006, 05:41 PM

meet the sceptics PG this should get interesting.

*EnIgMa*

Feb 4 2006, 05:42 PM

They have their spot here just like you guys do...Me, I have my own little spot picked out

Rykster

Feb 4 2006, 05:42 PM

Personally, I believe that we are not alone. But I don't know either way.
Despite many claims of proof there is no evidence either way. Period.

The Skeptic Eric Raven

Feb 4 2006, 05:42 PM

QUOTE(limited @ Feb 4 2006, 11:41 AM) [snapback]1048284[/snapback]

meet the sceptics PG this should get interesting.

Skeptic is such a harsh word.

I prefer to think I am rational.

Unlimited

Feb 4 2006, 05:44 PM

I know the truth thats good enuff for me?

*EnIgMa*

Feb 4 2006, 05:45 PM

How about we don't classify each other, and just get on with our discussion... Stereotyping only leads to gang wars

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rapid7

Feb 4 2006, 05:47 PM

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Here is a good scientific site.

http://www.bautforum.com/

Hazzard, If you don't mind, I think you need to clarify your position.
Why do you think there is no hard evidence availible to mainstream science?

Nethius

Feb 4 2006, 05:48 PM

QUOTE(Mind_Freak @ Feb 4 2006, 01:25 PM) [snapback]1048268[/snapback]

No man, you snuck your post in before mine... It was directed at the guy above you...

EDIT: Nethius, don't take that the wrong way, just when you said "don't send 50 posts.." I thought it was a little uncalled for, but forget I even said it...uh, carry on

"50 links"

Anyone can google a subject, then copy/paste all the links into a post. Looks like that's all the OP did.

I really don't find it helpful when all it is are the copied links... If they were to comment and quote certain aspects of a certain site that's different, but all he did was throw a zillions links at us. Like I said anyone can do that. And really who is gonna go through them all, when in most likeliness they all contain the same incorrect information.

That's why I asked him to pick one out, quote what he feels is important, then we can comment on it.

This is a discussion forum. Just posting links without commenting does not make a good discussion.

[dang my spelling]

The Skeptic Eric Raven

Feb 4 2006, 05:48 PM

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How about we don't classify each other, and just get on with our discussion... Stereotyping only leads to gang wars

...

You are right wabbit.

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 05:58 PM

QUOTE

All of this is nothing but your opinion thats it. I have looked through the Disclosure project. It is not hard evidence. And it is in no way probable that aliens are visting us. There is a chance they exist somewhere in some form but very unlikely to none that they are visiting us.

No, the fact is it is nearly an impossibility that we are alone. Even according to the drake equation, even when the most conservative numbers are punched into the equation it still comes out with many civilizations in our galaxy alone. ( http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topic...e_equation.html )

With that fact established we can also conclude that there is without a doubt civilizations in many places throughout the universe older than are own. Now if they are older than us they are gonna have technology that far surpasses our own. We have only harnassed true technology for alittle over 100 years. Imagine the possibilities of technological advancement after a time period of several MILLION years or even over a BILLION years. You simply cannot discount the possibility.

Michio Kaku explains the stages of extraterrestrial civilizations: http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_alien_civs.shtml

Anti-gravity and teleportation may sound like science fiction but maybe you should take a look at the truth:

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/05...eportation.html
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/gravity/gravitsapa.htm
http://www.americanantigravity.com/article...ription-of-HFGW
http://www.americanantigravity.com/article...nal-Transistors
http://www.americanantigravity.com/video/H...n-Heavy-Mix.wmv
http://www.americanantigravity.com/video/R...b_7_18_2005.wmv

hazzard

Feb 4 2006, 06:03 PM

QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 4 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]1048262[/snapback]

The fact is, if there are other intelligent life forms in our galaxy that are older than us then it is not just possible but very probable that they would come here.

We don’t know much about the average lifetime of technological societies, other than the fact that ours has, so far, managed to survive for a century. We also don’t know at what rate sentient societies spring up in the Galaxy. But we do know that this rate is surely tied to the frequency with which stars are born. Clearly, a greater flux of new stars will ultimately produce a larger number of planets with thinking beings.

Anyone who’s used a radio telescope to study galaxies knows that when you examine a big spiral like the Milky Way, you find that the total amount of interstellar gas is typically a few percent of the mass of all the stars. Since interstellar gas is the stuff from which stars are built, it’s obvious that there’s little material around today for constructing new ones.

QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 4 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]1048262[/snapback]

We are also possibly the noisiest civilization in the entire galaxy pumping out thousands of tv and radio transmissions on a daily basis for the past 100 years.

Radio was invented in the 19th century, and large-scale broadcasting began in the 1920s. Alas, these early broadcasts were of low power, and at low frequency. The difficulty with low frequency transmissions, such as AM radio, is that they are refracted by Earths ionosphere, and have difficulty making it into space. However, beginning in the 1950s, we started to construct high-power, high frequency transmitters for radar, for FM radio, and for television. These signals leaked off the planet, and headed for the stars.

A modern TV transmitter can put out as much as a megawatt of power. Its not very tightly focused, so even though much of the broadcast energy spills into space, its fairly weak by the time it reaches another star system. Consider one of our early TV programs just washing over a planet thats 50 light-years away. To detect the "carrier" signal from this broadcast in a few minutes time would require about 3,000 acres of rooftop antennas connected to a sensitive receiver. Thats a lot of antennas, and an unsightly concept. But its not hard to build, and the aliens could conceivably do it. If the extraterrestrials were unwise enough to actually want to see the program, then theyd need an antenna about 30,000 times greater in area (roughly the size of Colorado). Ambitious, but possible.

A rather easier task would be to detect our military radars. The bigger ones typically boast a megawatt of power, and are focused into beams that are a degree or two across. There are enough such radars that, at any given time, they cover a percent of the sky or so. The signal from the most powerful of these could be found at 50 light-years distance in a few minutes time with a receiving antenna 1,000 feet in diameter.

Bottom line? With radio technology slightly more advanced than our own, Homo sapiens is detectable out to a distance of roughly 50 light-years. Within that distance are about 5,000 stars.

QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 4 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]1048262[/snapback]

Further more it is not just logically possible that we are being visited, it is probable!

Even if you believe in highly optimistic estimates regarding the prevalence of cosmic intelligence, its unlikely that another civilization exists within 50 light-years. Thats too small a distance. I agree with you that we are probably the new kids on the block, but so far its a safe bet that none of the other kids know were here.

*EnIgMa*

Feb 4 2006, 06:04 PM

QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 4 2006, 12:58 PM) [snapback]1048308[/snapback]

No, the fact is it is nearly an impossibility that we are alone. Even according to the drake equation, even when the most conservative numbers are punched into the equation it still comes out with many civilizations in our galaxy alone. ( http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topic...e_equation.html )

With that fact established we can also conclude that there is without a doubt civilizations in many places throughout the universe older than are own.

I'm not here to pick apart your posts, but the Drake Equation isn't factual. You can use all of the conservative numbers you want, the fact is the Drake Equation is based on assumptions of the probability of life. I do believe in extraterrestrial life, so when I say the drake equation is flawed, you know it's not because I am being hard-headed...

The Skeptic Eric Raven

Feb 4 2006, 06:04 PM

I don't think we are alone. I am sure in some for they are out there. I DO NOT think they are visiting us. Our world is a speck of sand in a ocean.

aquatus1

Feb 4 2006, 06:05 PM

I commend you, Prophecy Guru, for taking the time and having the patience to gather all this data you have. I now recommend to you, that you take the next step, and not merely gather the data, but also analyze it yourself, rather than accepting at face value the conclusion presented to you.

As has been said, this is old news. There is nothing that has been presented here that has not been seen time and time again, and it remains refuted not because people are close-minded, not because people refuse to believe, but simply because it is not enough. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and what is presented is nothing extraordinary, but rather the most basic of basics: testimonies. No matter how reliable the witness, testimonies will always be subjective, and thus, never the objective, factual data required as proof of a theory. Your findings are not being summarily dismissed for no reason, out of close-mindedness, or for any invalid reason; it is simply that they have already been looked into long before you presented them here. Don't feel as if you are being ignored; you aren't. We have simply already seen it.

You are on the right track. You are following the correct steps. You just need to go a little farther, and do that unpleasant thing that all researchers must do to validate their work. You must, in all earnestness, attempt to prove yourself incorrect.

TheGreatWhiteHorse

Feb 4 2006, 06:13 PM

it isnt right , prophecy_guru, to claim that "we are the noisiest civilization in the galaxy"...how can you possibly know how "noisy" any of the other theoretical civilizations are?

Also, to say it is "probable" that another civilization would try to contact us...why is that? Just based on your theory of thousands of civilizations alone, all light-years apart(and I mean MANY light-years), all existing and blinking out at different times, why would we be the ones they would choose to stumble upon and contact? It is actually still highly improbable that another race would even find us, let alone contact our polluting, war-mongering species when/if they did.

Im a science major, so I can assure you I understand the probability of life elsewhere in the universe, I am just saying that you should watch how you phrase things. Dont make broad, sweeping, bold statements about things that no one can be certain of. It's a one-way ticket to Don't-Take-Me-Seriously Land.

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 06:15 PM

I noticed after reviewing my second post that many of the links that were shortened by "..." were broken. I think this is due to the fact that I copy and pasted it from another forum which i first presented this information but I think I got them all. Let me know if any still don't work so i can fix them.

Nethius

Feb 4 2006, 06:22 PM

I'd like to add that I do believe there is itelligent life out there other then us. To say they are visiting us is a whole other ball park. The main reason I have a hard time with that is due to travel... It would take us several life times to get to the next closet star. So unless "ET" has a life span of a few hundred years there is no way they can get to us, as you cannot travel faster then light. The only other option would be to bend space/time to travel great distances, where doing that is also hard to believe, but I don't think us "Humans" have learned enough to say one way or the other if that is even possible.

I need hard proof to believe they are visiting. I'd love it if they were, but I'm not gonna believe someone just cause they say so.

Unlimited

Feb 4 2006, 06:24 PM

see prophecy its gonna take the president to say it. for some reason that would be good enough for the skeptics...gw bush are you out there? does intelligent life exist on other planets?... i bet if he said it eric would call him a liar..lol

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 06:26 PM

QUOTE(Nethius @ Feb 4 2006, 01:22 PM) [snapback]1048333[/snapback]

I'd like to add that I do believe there is itelligent life out there other then us. To say they are visiting us is a whole other ball park. The main reason I have a hard time with that is due to travel... It would take us several life times to get to the next closet star. So unless "ET" has a life span of a few hundred years there is no way they can get to us, as you cannot travel faster then light. The only other option would be to bend space/time to travel great distances, where doing that is also hard to believe, but I don't think us "Humans" have learned enough to say one way or the other if that is even possible.

I need hard proof to believe they are visiting. I'd love it if they were, but I'm not gonna believe someone just cause they say so.

Anti-gravity propulsion has the potential to exceed light speed. These space craft do not exceed light speed by travelling at a constant velocity in a straight line from point A to point B as you might think. As Colonel Philip Corso explained, these space craft "jump" from point A to point B as a result of the anti-gravity propulsion system that warps space and time around it. In a sense it is almost like teleportation because there are no obstacles to avoid during the trip. They simply "jump" to a pre-determined location in space and time.

Michio Kaku's take on intersteller travel feasibility: http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_space_travel.shtml

Bella-Angelique

Feb 4 2006, 06:35 PM

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it isnt right , prophecy_guru, to claim that "we are the noisiest civilization in the galaxy"...how can you possibly know how "noisy" any of the other theoretical civilizations are?

Also, to say it is "probable" that another civilization would try to contact us...why is that? Just based on your theory of thousands of civilizations alone, all light-years apart(and I mean MANY light-years), all existing and blinking out at different times, why would we be the ones they would choose to stumble upon and contact?

I would think at this point the answer would be fairly obvious.
The bright blue water planet of earth is easy to spot.
Just as earth has recently observed a small rocky planet in another system and continues to look for more planets in other systems that resemble earth, it is totally logical that another civilization in another system also once did the same thing.

As to how they could travel those vast distances, the answer to that is also pretty obvious. The formulas needed are not those to master distance but are those to master time. They are studying gravity closely and will eventually figure out where Einstein was wrong in his equations. It is staring them in the face now, they just have to accept it. It is hard to lay a god to rest though, even one within science.

aquatus1

Feb 4 2006, 06:37 PM

You may well be right.

All that is needed now is, you know...proof.

Lilly

Feb 4 2006, 06:37 PM

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see prophecy its gonna take the president to say it. for some reason that would be good enough for the skeptics...gw bush are you out there? does intelligent life exist on other planets?... i bet if he said it eric would call him a liar..lol

Frankly, I don't care who *says* it...I want to see someone *prove* it. As for Pres. Bush, remember he's a devout Christian, so he believes in some things that not everyone else does (people have various religious beliefs). Now, it's all fine and good if one wants to preface their conclusions with, I believe "____" due to my faith in "____" (feel free to fill in the blanks as you choose). It's when people start using words like "fact" and "proof" that I start to have a problem.

Unlimited

Feb 4 2006, 06:38 PM

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Frankly, I don't care who *says* it...I want to see someone *prove* it. As for Pres. Bush, remember he's a devout Christian, so he believes in some things that not everyone else does (people have various religious beliefs). Now, it's all fine and good if one wants to preface their conclusions with, I believe "____" due to my faith in "____" (feel free to fill in the blanks as you choose). It's when people start using words like "fact" and "proof" that I start to have a problem.

agreed show us the bodies

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 06:38 PM

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I really don't find it helpful when all it is are the copied links... If they were to comment and quote certain aspects of a certain site that's different, but all he did was throw a zillions links at us. Like I said anyone can do that. And really who is gonna go through them all, when in most likeliness they all contain the same incorrect information.

I thought about explaining each link however if I did that the post would be monsterously long. Therefor not many people would even bother to read it. For that reason I decided to post them in categories so that those interested in a specific topic can look into it.

AstroPro

Feb 4 2006, 06:45 PM

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agreed show us the bodies

Getting actual bodies shown to a vast audience is not possible. First of all the government would never allow something like this to happen unless they themselves were the ones disclosing. There have been many pictures of alleged alien bodies and there is always the possibility that they could be real. But, unfortunatly pictures don't prove much at all no matter who the source. So lets suppose for a moment that someone was able to infiltrate the CIA or whatever agency that has bodies in possession and took pictures of these real bodies then released them to the public. There would be the same debate as always on the authenticity and it would be right back to square one.

rapid7

Feb 4 2006, 07:07 PM

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Getting actual bodies shown to a vast audience is not possible. First of all the government would never allow something like this to happen unless they themselves were the ones disclosing. There have been many pictures of alleged alien bodies and there is always the possibility that they could be real. But, unfortunatly pictures don't prove much at all no matter who the source. So lets suppose for a moment that someone was able to infiltrate the CIA or whatever agency that has bodies in possession and took pictures of these real bodies then released them to the public. There would be the same debate as always on the authenticity and it would be right back to square one.

Amen brother, I agree. welcome to the unexplained mysteries forum.

aquatus1

Feb 4 2006, 07:19 PM

Unless the autopsy and pictures appeared in a recognized scientific publication, such as Nature or similar, it would not be regarded as very credible.