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click me!

I've seen that some where before (I was a bit irritated with the wind noise.. LOL) .. but I did not see this from this site you show it from..

I'll try to find where I saw it, and hopefully it will have info ect.

I found another place that has it here:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/media...?album=4&pos=24 but it still does not give information about it (as usual)

I know I've seen it elsewhere with a bit more information

very interesting

id love to read a plausible scientific explanation

i know for sure i can tell you what it's not

1. swamp gas

2. Venus

3. the international space station

4. a commercial air liner

5. ground lights bouncing off clouds


now that thats out of the way, just what IS it ?

wow...great video ...it looks like a triangular one at a front angle? great video mindfreak

that is great, i would like to hear an explanation for that one.

I'd also like to hear an explanation. That's a cool video.

crypto

Et it seem's that I agree with you yet again Just what is that? good video no bad acting fairly clear footage hmm looks good. Thx MindFreak

I'm not saying it's alien by any means but why would top secret planes be tested in plain sight? I looks like nothing I'v ever seen.

Skeptics will make up an explaination even if they don't know what it is. Just so they don't have to say "we don't know".


That is a really good video if it is not a hoax.


They'll probably say it's a "tower" of some sort. Sorry, but if so, that's the wierdest f***** tower I've evern seen.

Not saying it's aliens or anything, but a possible ufo, an aircraft not known to man [or not well known if the military has these].

great video but why isn't it moving? is it observing? want to see next part of the video

Well, alot of UFOs do just sit there for a while. It IS odd, however, that they don't have the ufo flying off, and only this small piece of it.

yes i dont think it was a hoax cuz usually hoaxers hold the camera really firmly and look exactly at the right places at the right time. this one looked more authentic

nice vid

it kinda looks like the mellinium falcon except darker and with red lights lol


looks real to me and the wind fits to because it seems it always gets windy when theres sightings that close

I wonder what all that noise was.

1) Wind
2) Breathing hard
3) Car exhaust

I also want an explanation.

The second time I looked at it it kinda made me think of the exhaust from a fighter jet. As to why it doesn't seem to be moving quickly, if it were moving directly away from our position, this is what we would see. It would just get gradually smaller.

It's phony. The guy is a graphics video artist, named Rob K. He is a weird cookie.

OK. I figure I should explain, so I'll now add this. Rob K. has had some good commercial work, as a video graphics artist. His website has a list of some previous contracts.

However, he went off the deep end about ufos. He made up some weird story about aliens possibly attacking the Tonopah nuclear power station, in 1993. I read what he wrote about it. It was totally off the wall nonsense. The reality was an aging power unit simply failed in 1993, due to a ruptured waste water line. That system had numerous cracked and aging lines, and when one split, it flooded a steam turbine and made a mess.

But, it was not an invasion by aliens, as he implied. I have looked at several of his
"fake-a-roony" videos. They would be good fun, if he would just 'fess up. He has put out a few homespun Arizona ufo clips. A good video artist can generate virtual Ferrari's all day long. But, they are not the real thing.

I looked up his web site. I am not suggesting it is worth your time, just this is the guy who tried to convince Arizona they were being invaded by power station-sabotaging aliens.

Thank goodness he does not work for the NRC.

http://www.worldblend.net/

Its obviously a bad hoax. Someone photographed the lights on a roof of a nearby building and jiggled the camera around to make it look like it was moving. A noptical illusion, a bad one at that.

And your proof is?

I thought it looked real good, almost too good, tho the craft seemed too still, but then again, what do I know about alien craft

I'll check his site tomorrow, too late right now.

I hope someday we will get a vid of a real alien piloted craft...

The best I've seen, tho I doubt it's "driven" by anyone/thing is from STS-80 or 48, I
think. It's not hte Star Wars one, but one showing, what looks like an elastic or strin gif you will floating through the atmoshpere

sorry if there's spelling mistakes, little drunk atm


[edit quoted wrong person - then accidently erased my post, damn it@]

that would be one tall building in the middle of what looks to be an area with very small buildings. And the roof would need to be very small and slanted to one side. And I've never seen lights like that in my life.

The burden of proof lies not with the skeptic, but with the believer.

Sorry, but that's just the way it is...

Not really. Him claiming it is a roof is the same as someone claiming it is something else wether it be a dog or an alien spacecraft.

As of right now, I'm the skeptic. He said it's a roof, I don't think it is. I don't know what it is but it doesn't appear to be a roof to me. I havn't made any claims as to what it might be.

True. Right now what we are engaged in is merely speculation. Lest not that lead to unfounded supposition.

Praise be to whatever powers exist in the universe!

Thank you for saying that, I'm really getting tired being the one to say it.

even if you did have a real picture of a ufo it would be torn down so why bother. iv'e mentioned this here before; i was filming a triangular ufo at close range with a new sony handycam and somehow it fried it. and it never worked again.

But even if you were able to get some video (sorry about your camcorder...that really sucks!) how would we know if the flying triangle was being piloted by aliens from Pegasus 51, or a human pilot from Airforce 'black operations' flying a prototype of the latest classified aircraft? This is the real problem here, and believe me, it bothers me as well. I want to know what these things are as bad as everyone else!

The next part is where you see a little man in a pair of dirty overalls taking down the props
and putting away the makeshift lighting system into an old rusty pick up truck..!

Ok, I just visited this Rob K's site.. it is interesting whether or not these videos are the "real thing" but I believe some are.

On this one particular page it has a description of the video we've been talking about.. however it gives not only information about it, but when you play the video you not only hear the wind, BUT you ALSO hear him talking excitedly in it as well.

You will find this description and a BLUE button to download the video :

"August 11th return at the same time as June 14th....8:35 p.m. Footage shot facing NORTH , away from bombing range and during a storm with about 30 mph winds. (AMAZING FOOTAGE) "

Link: http://www.worldblend.net/worldblendbu/UPDATE.html (it is the 4th BLUE button down on from on the left side)

EDIT: I just listened and watched the above video again.. he says the "F word" in it.. maybe that's why his words and only the wind is heard on previous links where we've watched this. I also cussed up a storm when I video taped what I saw in 1992. I said every cuss word from A to Z on mine! LOL Oh well, I guess that might make it more believable.. My excuse for cussing was I was frightened and shocked but others might be offended by it.

The other page with an indepth analysis of a video by NUFORC is found here:

http://www.worldblend.net/worldblendbu/PHXLIGHTS.html

This is an awful lot of discussion about a relatively poor piece of video with no clarity at all to speak of (another night UFO video). Just some pattern of indistinguishable red lights seeming to hang stationary in the sky in the dark.

Of course, it's accompanied by alot of wind noise, and the cameraman f-ing this and that...but really, all it is is a diffuse pattern of red-lights in the sky, apparently, unmoving. It could be a couple hundred yards diustant at an altitude of a couple hundred feet, or miles distant at ten thousand. There's no way to know what it is, and no references of the area in daylight so we could see the same view of the area under daylight visibility, etc...

It's some red lights, as far as I can see.

Are we all up to speed on video effects software? The sales are in the multiple billions since the mid-1990s.

Provenance-

Brian Bessent of the fake smiley video fame, ca. June, 2005, staged out of Arizona.

Bessent and Jeff Willis were co-producing home-grown ufo videos. I know because it was all over their websites, at the time.

Rob K. has an interest in ufos. No problem, as far as I can see. Except, he associates with Jeff Willis, and features one of Jeff's videos, which could just be flares dropped out of a military plane. Flares of not, I do not know. Except, Willis is highly suspect and discredited, in my book.

Seeing ufos is one thing. Capitalizing on intense interest by a sector of the public is another
matter. I view this as a cadre of video artists with a common agenda- promotion of their talent in a competitive environment.

"Sonora UFOS", Brian Bessent, UFo Casebook's "Lawalk", on and on- money from sales.
People set up shop along the road to religious shrines, as well. It does not invalidate the religion, but the faithful must see them for what they are.

The formation reminded me of the Phoenix lights, which could just be his artistic inspiration if it was a fake, or simply be the same type of UFOs. I've heard a theory proposed that the phoenix lights were a refueling simulation, but I caan't visualize how that would make sense....

Hey Magnetar:

What the heck are you talking about? Tonopah Nuclear Power Station? 1993? I never knew there was a Tonopah Station.....never wrote anything about this or even heard of such a nutty story.
This is either a mistake on your part or a deliberate attempt to discredit my reputation. Please post this crazy story your refering to, I 'd like to see how you confused me with the author. If the article exists, you should be able to easily confirm it was not written by me and correct your error on this board. If we never see this article, it is probable that this is someone who is deliberately trying to discredit me and this story. While I am at it, let me mention that I have never faked a video and have never profitted from any of this despite being offered money for my videos on several occassions. I have declined numerous offers to appear on TV, radio, and documentaries. This bizare post does not even resemble the truth. How do you come up with this stuff?

Worldblend

Cinders & all:

I originally just signed up and posted to address the source of a rumor. (see previous post)
However, while I am here, I might as well address a few things.

1) To people who say "the burden of proof rests with the believer(or to be more accurate, the individual making the claim") I would say yes, this is true. What do you understand my claim to be? I have not claimed this to be anything other than something that I could not identify. It would seem the specific claims here are by the individuals saying it is something on a roof...??? They have nothing to do with a roof. They could be some type of tethered flare or something else intirely. President Bush was in town that night so maybe it was some military craft or exercise having to do with that.
2) They are not fake and I have not profitted on any of this, despite having ample opportunity to do so. In fact, the opposite is the case, as I work in mainstream science and any associations with Ufology can be a detriment and in fact has been. A situation that is compounded when you throw in false claims, such as the ones made by Magnetar.
3) The video you are discussing is interesting and was quite a bizarre sight, but it could still have a conventional explanation. The video we are having more of a problem attributing any sort of conventional mechanics to is the following:
http://www.worldblend.net/worldblendbu/PHX...PhxSymphony.wmv
It is diificult to speculate what conventional object could exhibiting motion/appearance like this.
4) I think you will find the most interesting sightings and research being done in Ufology is not being promoted, marketed or even done under the guise of Ufology.

Thanks for allowing me to clear this up.

WB

Interesting video. Seems there are too many people who rush to judgement.

Very interesting vid! Good find!

First, I appologize for my use of terms that seem to question which way your talents are directed. Having seen the self-admitted drunken confession of Brian Bessent on this website, wherein he talked about his, and others' campaigns to soak the internet for money by selling phony ufo videos, and the member of casebook ufo staff who has churned out at least a hundred phony-balonies, I have become jaded and wary.

And, Sonora ufos, how many have they "produced"? With no mention in the local press, or independent coroboration? Dozens?

It's a cottage industry. If someone wants to forge a Cezanne, it won't work. Yet, it's acceptable to falsify ufo evidence. I don't get it.

O.K. I retract any personal statements. I retract anything that unfairly judges you. That is always is uncalled for.

That said, I quote from the Worldblend website, regarding June, 2004-

"This area is actually the exact location where three of the witness accounts of the June 14 th sighting reported to NUFORC originated. (including mine). Interestingly enough, this same location was the site where some six months earlier a paleontological discovery was made which could certainly be described as anomalous, as the items of interest seemed inconsistent with the age and composition of the surrounding geological strata. I made a mental note of this at the time, but saw no reasons to suspect any connection to the light phenomenon. The following three weeks saw the two largest power substations to the site explode (literally) and the cause is still unknown at the present time. (report 2) This was a national story and left the Phoenix area with a power shortage the remainder of the summer. This shortage resulted in power restrictions, rolling blackouts and a public energy conservation campaign. (article 2) It was at this point that I felt the site warranted further investigation, as all these unusual events seemed to have the site as a common thread. It was just a few short days after making this determination that this footage was shot (8/19/04) directly over the site in about 30 mph winds. (video 1) Despite the winds, this object holds its shape and seems to have structure when examined closely."

If I recall, was not that video one with a house-size ufo, at close
proximity, and with the videographer using obscenities?
Something like, "It's over my f*ing house!"?

If it was such a video, it strikes me as strange, to say the least, given
people like those who actively sell questionable DVD's with videos they
have allegedly shot. I do not imply you sell such material.

If I am mistaken, I appologize.

I will continue in another post.

First, I once heard about a reactor, at or near Tonopah, which I thought referred to the
Palo Verde Unit. When I used an internet map, it showed Palo Verde named areas in
Tonopah, which it turns out, is actually only seven miles from the power station. What I've just found out is the station is incoporated on Wintersburg, a nearby suburb. My mistake.

Secondly, I went to the NRC website and searched their 3300 reports on the Palo Verde Unit, and found no reference to explosions on or about June 14, 2004. Only this-

"ALERT DECLARED - REACTOR TRIP DUE TO LOSS OF OFF SITE POWER

On June 14, 2004, at approximately 07:44 Mountain Standard Time (MST) all three units at the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station experienced automatic reactor trips coincident with a grid disturbance and loss of offsite power in the Palo Verde Switchyard. Unit 2 declared an ALERT Emergency Plan classification at approximately 07:54 due to a loss of AC power to essential buses reduced to a single power source for greater than 15 minutes such that any additional single failure would result in a station blackout. Subsequently, at 09:51 Unit 2 downgraded the Emergency Plan classification to a NOTIFICATION OF UNUSUAL EVENT when AC power was restored from a single essential bus to both essential buses. Units 1 and 3 declared a NOTIFICATION OF UNUSUAL EVENT at 07:53 MST due to a loss of offsite power to essential buses for greater than 15 minutes. The NOTIFICATION OF UNUSUAL EVENT was terminated for all 3 units at 12:07 MST.

Unit 1 and 2 manually initiated a Main Steam Isolation System ESF actuation by procedure. Unit 3 received an automatic Main Steam Isolation System ESF actuation.

Due to the loss of offsite power, the Emergency Plan Technical Support Center (TSC) was unavailable. The Unit 2 Satellite TSC was to be staffed by the Emergency Response Organization in response to the loss of assessment capability. Power to the TSC has since been restored.

The Emergency Plan ALERT declaration includes staffing of the Joint Emergency New Center to address expected media interest.

All three units were at normal operating temperature and pressure prior to the trip. All CEAs inserted fully into the reactor cores. All Emergency Diesel Generators (EDGs) (2 per unit) associated with each of the 3 units started as expected in response to the loss of offsite power to their safety buses. Unit 2's train "A" EDG started, but did not indicate volts or amps and was manually shutdown.

The offsite power grid had several perturbations for approximately one hour following the event but has been stable since. LCO 3.8.1, AC Sources - Operating, was entered in each unit as a result of this event. Heat removal is to atmosphere via atmospheric dump valves in natural circulation. Main steam safety valves may have lifted for a brief time. Restoration of forced reactor coolant circulation is pending assurance that the offsite power grid can reliably support the load. No major equipment was inoperable prior to the event that contributed to the event.

All 3 units are stable at normal operating temperature and pressure in Mode 3. The event did not result in any challenges to fission product barriers and there were no adverse safety consequences as a result of this event. The event did not adversely affect the safe operation of the plant


NRC Resident Inspector was notified."


I looked for any reports on explosions, and only found the 1993 incident. I assumed, in some way (and was probably tired), that was what you might be referring to. I've re-read your webpage, and now see you were in fact referring to June of 2004.

Nonetheless, this NRC report on the rupture of a pipe in an adjacent facilty is all I could find, and is something I must have heard in the news at the time.

"The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) is issuing this information notice to alert addressees to a weakness in emergency operating procedures (EOPs) found as a result of a steam generator tube rupture event. It is expected that recipients will review the information for applicability to their facilities and consider actions, as appropriate, to avoid similar problems. However, suggestions contained in this information notice are not NRC requirements; therefore, no specific action or written response is required. Description of Circumstances On March 14, 1993, Palo Verde Unit 2, was at 98 percent power and near the end of the operating cycle.

Unit 2 is a two loop PWR designed by Combustion Engineering and has process radiation monitors located on the main steam lines, the steam generator blowdown lines and the condenser vacuum exhaust. At approximately 4:34 a.m., a tube in the No. 2 steam generator ruptured and began to release approximately 910 liters [240 gallons] per minute of primary coolant to the secondary side of the steam generator.

About 10 minutes later, the operators manually tripped the reactor because of decreasing pressurizer level and pressure. The safety injection actuation system and the containment isolation actuation system automatically initiated. The indicated level for the pressurizer fell below zero percent but returned to approximately 4 percent as coolant was added by the charging pumps and the high pressure safety injection (HPSI) system.

The shutoff head for the HPSI pumps is below normal operating pressure and indication of HPSI flow ceased when the reactor coolant system (RCS) pressure increased to approximately 12.96 MPa [1880 psia]. All safety systems functioned as required and all plant equipment needed to diagnose or mitigate the event was in service. Plant personnel later determined that the condenser exhaust radiation monitor was not within calibration tolerances. Before the reactor trip, several conditions caused the control room operators to suspect that a tube rupture was in progress."

We agree on the fact that the field is full of hoaxers and pretenders out to make a buck. I don't follow the ongoings of the UFO community enough to comment on it any more specifically than that. That being said, what is the difference between faking a UFO sighting and creating a false story concerning someone who has posted a video of some strange lights? I don't see any difference, as they are both deliberate attempts of deceipt.

The quote you pulled from my web site is just a statement of fact concerning 3 unexplained power outages and the close proximity in time and location to sightings of strange lights. The Channel 5 news made a similar observation in their story "Strange Lights seen before Palo Verde Shutdown". No mention of Aliens or UFOs, in fact I go out of my way not to use those terms. So how did you come up with this?


(magnetar @ Feb 4 2006, 10:54 PM) *
However, he went off the eep end about ufos. He made up some weird story about aliens possibly attacking the Tonopah nuclear power station, in 1993. I read what he wrote about it. It was totally off the wall nonsense. The reality was an aging power unit simply failed in 1993, due to a ruptured waste water line. That system had numerous cracked and aging lines, and when one split, it flooded a steam turbine and made a mess.

But, it was not an invasion by aliens, as he implied. I have looked at several of his
"fake-a-roony" videos. They would be good fun, if he would just 'fess up. He has put out a few homespun Arizona ufo clips. A good video artist can generate virtual Ferrari's all day long. But, they are not the real thing.

The video you are referring to did not occur on any of the dates of the Plant Explosions or Shut Downs. When I refer to site, I am speaking of the area in which we became interested in.

For the record, I declined offers to appear in the Wiles, Serrada and Dr Kitei Movies/Videos. Reason being, is that there is real science being done here. We are trying to minimize any associations with UFOs and the unfortunate circus-like state that it is in.

I appreciate the retraction and apology.

WB

You think so?
I kinda agree strongly with Magnetar here



No offense intended worldblend, but being in this industry, I though you would have a thicker skin?
I appreciate that you took the time to come here and tell your side of the story and point out any errors made. I would think you would have recieved far nastier reactions than this though? UFO study of any kind is always heavily challenged.

I think there was. It seems pretty clear. I even think Magnetar would agree, however I could be wrong. I also agree with what he says about hoaxers. That being said, I think the most logical response to the unfortunate state of things is to become more meticulate, not more sloppy. Although this is easier said than done.

No, haven't been slandered too much. This is probably due to the fact that we are trying to fly under the radar on this as well as our efforts not to make outlandish claims. As for needing thicker skin, that's probably an accurate statement.

WB

No doubt you will see slander at some stage, unfortunate as that is. You sure sound like a very rare species in a world of hoaxers - the genuine article. Shame so many wreck it for those with a real interest.

Sounds like you are going abut it the smart way - flying under the radar, no profit and all Best way to accomplish much without too much objective rubbish hindering your efforts. I will keep an eye on the site. All the very best of luck with your efforts

Just out of interest, what would you say to be the most "believable" piece of evidence you have seen that proves either unidentified craft and or alien life visiting earth?

I have an affinity for data, so my answer is going to be a boring one........an astrobiological one. I think the data from meteor ALH 84001 as well as the Egytian Mars meteorite show strong indications of extraterrestrial life. I agree with my friend Charles Schultz regarding these meteors and in fact we are both doing some similar work concerning rock varnish. This may be the source of the first real evidence for extraterrestrial life. If you want to read an article I wrote about this, it can be found here:

http://www.worldblend.net/worldblendbu/ROCKVARNISH.html

The recent Red Rain cells from India are also interesting possibilities. I think any strong evidence needs to be in the form of samples available for study or multiple quality data streams from a sighting. I don't even subscribe to the notion "seeing is believing".

I haven't really seen anything convincing to support Flying Saucers. I definitrly think the Phoenix Lights which were seen at multiple locations and times were not all due to a flare drop. However, I beleieve there may have been some dropped later that night. There is evidence for the Phoenix Lights that has not been introduced of yet. I am not very well read on Ufology, so I can't talk intelligently on any other cases. In fact, I am afraid I haven't always given this field a fair shake. I used to be a tad closed-minded.

WB