Some bizarre $h!t is going on in this world and I think i've stumbled over a pretty decent chunk here. In the link i will provide, there are photos of the last pics taken by 2 satellites nicknamed Phobos 1 and 2, they took some pics before their disappearance as well. There is a cigar shaped shadow on mars taken by one of the satellites before it vanished and a pic taken of the actual object which is thought to be a cigar shaped UFO near phobos moon. It is verrrry strange ...how can 2 moons disappear along with the satellites sent to probe mars ...and the last shots sent back to earth reveal that object there. Hmmm... have we seen too much?

heres the link, tell me whatcha think:

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicmars.htm

Nice find, that is some very interesting and compelling material!

Missing Martian Moons? What's next...Swiped Saturn's Rings? Or perhaps, Stolen Jupiter's Spot?

Many, many people are amateur astronomers. If the moons of Mars were to just "up and disappear" nobody could "hide" this knowledge. This is just plain silly.

out of the mouths of babes

what are you 5 ?

you havent heard of it so it cant be true ?

it wasnt reported by Brokaw so it cant be true ?

there isnt a NASA PHD listed so it cant be true ?

typical

hey lily, i had a tuna sandwich for lunch........but you didnt see me eat it so i guess i didnt

next time i will hold a mainstream media press conference

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/pre.../20050909a.html

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEM21TVJD1E_0.html

My, but you are a rude young man, aren't you.



1) I own my own telescope, just upgraded in fact.

2) Our local Jr High School has it's own Planetarium...very good telescope there. And guess what ? I've seen the moons of Mars transit this past fall.

I suppose that was just some elaborate "NASA/Evil Government conspiracy" to make it appear that Mars still has moons?

I find it interesting that the last information the site quotes is 5 years old...

If anyone here has a 10 or 12 inch telescope, they can look and see if Phobos and Deimos are still there. If course actually looking for the moons is a radical step to take huh?

Lilly did it...

Yeah, and I'm only 5 years old! What a prodigy, huh?

And just how old are you?

There is such a thing as being open to possibilities. You seem to be very into that.
It's a healthy attitude...unless of course it is taken too far and rational analysis of common scientific principal is neglected in favor of lunacy.

The moons of Mars have been the subject of much silliness over the past decade or so. Mars seems to attract nuttiness.

A few years back, Phobos and Diemos were supposed to have disappeared from orbit around Mars, and appeared in low Earth orbit. There were even photos published by some lunatic clearly showing one of them visible through the atmosphere of earth in broad daylight over someplace on the Western European coast! It was bigger than the Moon as observed from the Earth...which of course would've been an impossibility since the tiny Martian Moon would've had to have been inside the Earths atmosphere to have been so large (and of course would've been causing a very bad day for millions upon millions of folks)!

I suppose you would ask, "Why is it impossible? Just because some NASA scientist didn't say it?"

It's impossible because it is. The science is far too complex to delineate in a post.

The fact is, ameteur astronomers, with some really professional gear, are constantly observing Mars, as are professionals utilizing on-orbit camerae and things like the HST. The moons of Mars are observed all the time, have gone no where, and...

They can't go anywhere, short of some cataclysmic event that everyone on this planet would know about in short order. I don't think you understand the scale of such a proposition.

Let's try not to take our open-mindedness too far beyond the realm of possibility, and especially to the extent of getting rude with Lilly...whose name incidentally is spelled with two Ls.

Obviously, nobody bothered to check the links I posted, lol. Both contain images of either Phobos and/or Deimos from the last two years...

Knew I should've put some text with them, lol.

That is strange! How old are those articles?

Quite appropriate that the moons in question are named "Fear" and "Panic" don'y ya think?

Look it up

I looked at them. Then again, I wasn't too surprized by the images!

i looked also; i expected them to be there.

I can't seem to find your links. I looked. Maybe I am just tired.

what about the cigar shaped object they photographed? did they make that up too?

The pictures do look authentic/un-altered taken from the satellite(s), its that Cigar shape thing that Im most interested about... What the hell could it be.. there has been numerous images of the so called 'cigar shaped ufo' on these boards but this one really strikes me.

I hate to burst your bubble dork: Mars still has two moons..........................

However scientist shad predicted in the next 200yrs Phobos and Deminos will fall out of orbit and onto Mars ( i am serious i saw this on the Dicsovery Channel )

Yes, I did too. But it has not happened yet.

yeah but it will

I agree with alot of what you said but




If something is not accepted by science, but is by a person, that person has not done anything stupid or wrong in anyway. Science is a job, and the only reason science can't accept anything unless it is VERY VERY proven is because they release information to the public and do not want to be caught wrong. Alot of people, such as my self, do not set the standards as high as mainstream science, but that in no way means that what we accept is wrong. I don't accept anything without reasonable evidence, but I don't need to to be 100% accepted by a scientists to accept it as the truth.

If P&D fall out of the sky (I haven't verified the time line) it would be a wholly natural occurance. Simply a matter of orbital mechanics. Not aliens. Perhaps the dust storms raise the atmosphere and increase drag on the moons thus degrading their orbit. This happens all the time here at Earth when solar flares/storms heat the upper atmosphere and increase drag on satellites.

Very interesting stuff.
We don't really need to add ETs to the mix, when discussing the disappearance of the moonlets. It's been well-documented that they had unstable orbits, and the recorded 'acceleration' of Phobos in it's orbit could easily be the downward psiral into Mars itself.

What needs to be done, to resolve this mystery, is getting the dates right on the reports and photos. I hadn't heard of the disappearance before now. I only knew about the decaying orits.

And cigar-shaped figures and shadows........Well, they're hard to explain away. No natural phenomena I know of could make recurring appearances of thesethings possible. They've been seen for years around Mars. And a few around Jupiter, too.

Have to admit this post made me laugh

Christ! Just look up!
The moons are still there!
What more has to be said?

The reports that Phobos and Deimos had vanished, iirc, come from either 2000 or 2001. The images that I linked were from the Mars Express (2004) and the Spirit rover in September of 2005. Already did the checking because it was so weird.



Qarrah, this thread, from what I could tell, was about whether or not Phobos and Deimos were still in orbit around Mars, not the cigar shaped UFO pic. Just because Phobos and Deimos are still there doesn't mean that the cigar shaped thing in the picture is "made up". Obviously, that was something, whether it be UFO or lens artifact.

No one said anyone did anything stupid or wrong.

The only reason actual science can't accept things unless they are, as you say, very-very proven, has nothing to do with public opinion. It has to do with the scientific method, which requires proof consistent with current scientific standards.

The point here is that there is no reasonable evidence that what we see in UFOs is an alien spacecraft of some sort, or that because someone claims that Phobos and Diemos have disappeared from the orbit of Mars, that there is any credible evidence that they have.

Quite the contrary actually. There is no such evidence. Those two moons of Mars are still there, right where they've been since we found them there. They are observed continuously, as I indicated.

This doesn't make you wrong. It shows a willingness to accept the completely unsubstantiated, despite the evidence to the contrary. This is, to a degree, intellectual laziness, but it is also completely contrary to the scientific method.

That being said, I will also state that science has been proven wrong before, as better science happens, and it certainly shall be proven wrong again. Another salient feature of science is that it tends to be self-correcting. However, believing that the moons of Mars have disappeared is akin to believing that the Sun has disappeared from our skies, because it's dark and someone says that's because the Sun's gone...despite the fact that it's hanging in the sky and being observed as it always is by billions of people.

Well, I can't see the sun right now (it's 8:30 PM where I am)...that must mean it's gone for everyone, right?

Ah yes, presicely, my dear Lilly.
It's dark here too....

Obviuously, old Sol has disappeared....gone, done for, caput.


p.s., I have joined B.A.
Many thanks.

I have done alot of research on both phobos and deimos, check out the mariner 7 probe that the US sent up, probes from both Russia and US have had similar things happen to them. Probes that were sent to that area always vanished under mysterious circumstances. There is no doubt, that there are beings already established on some of the surrounding planets and moons in our current solar system, and they don't want to be bothered. It is a symmetrical object that purposefully destroys the probe. Acting under it's own intelligence. It's pretty obvious what happened.

P&D are still there!

What does that tell you?

Sheesh

Its shocking to think any old website that is used as a source has more validaty than official streams or actually going out there and seeing it for yourself. I can post a website about a giant snow monster that lives on a comet and post enough believable bull on top that bmakes the thought reasonable, and I am sure some people will be willing to beleive it....

Yep, looks like that's what this world has come to. Believe everthing you read on the net without even checking for yourself.

Mariner 7 did not vanish. There was nothing mysterious about it. Mariner 7 was a successful Martian fly-by mission in 1969. It returned 126 images, the near encounter images covering 20% of the Martian surface in unprecedented detail, and provided a great deal of planetary science data regarding the nature of the planet and its atmosphere, as well as our first compositional data regarding the polar caps.

Mariner 7, like its sister, Mariner 6, and like many un-manned probes, suffered anomalies, all of which were remedied or worked around. Your facts are incorrect.

As to your assumptions that there are beings already on some of the planets and moons of our solar system...well, that doesn't bear much in the line of discussion...especially the idea that these malevolent creatures don't want to be bothered by our probes--as if they'd care at all about a miniscule space probe... if they were there, which of course, cannot be proved.

You apparently havent done enough research it seems, reading conspiracy sites and books is not research, far from it.
There is no such things as any kind of evidence that there are any kind of beings besdies us humans in the solar system, if you have any evidence that says otherwise then be a sport and show it to us. But let me guess, the big bad government and its top secret conspiracy, which somehow we all know about, has all the good evidence locked up, but you know about it anyway.