Just think about it. If Satan really was the enemy of God, and prophecy states he will produce an "anti-christ", to turn people away from God, what might this person or even "institution" or even "culture"actually be? After all, the Bible implies a large number of people will be "tricked" into false beliefs by this anti-christ.

Would he come in the guise of a Rock Singer, polluting the minds of our children with Satanic lyrics? Naw, too obvious.

Would he warp our childrens minds with satanic/demon themed roleplaying and computer games? Naw, also too obvious and like the rock singers, these things would only corrupt a segment of our adolescent population.

Now if Satan was really devious, maybe he would create something like the fundamentalist religion, and that is what is really the "anti--christ" because in a way, it is "anti-Christ".

Here is why.

Fundamentalists, by pushing the nonsensical idea that the earth is only six thousand years old, that scientists are the minions of Satan and a host of other fairy tale ideas make most people believe ALL Christians believe this way, when if fact there are many "rational Christians" who believe Science, Evolution and God can be compatible. But you never hear about them, because the fundamentalists get all the attention with their outspokenness and wacky antics.

Fundamentalists also give the secular world the impression that Christians in general must be as intolerant as them, for it is from the fundamentalist camp that the most hate mongering triades against minorities, other religions, etc come from. Also injuring the reputations of all Christians.

Fundamentalists, of all the Christian sects, actually encourage belief in the same demons they believe they despise simply by acknowledging these creatures exist, when in fact, they are not even discussed in the Old Testament, which is the scriptures Jesus actually endorsed as the word of God. Maybe the difference is that the educated Rabbis that wrote down the words of the Old Testament were rational enough not to believe in the false Gods and demons of other cultures, whereas many of Jesus followers were pagans who believed demons were everywhere, and said so in writings Jesus could not have endorsed because he was no longer on earth when they were written.

Fundamentalist also insist everyone who does not believe exactly as they will suffer an eternal torment of a burning hell, even though it doesn't exist in the Old Testament scriptures Jesus endorsed. Like their belief in demons they insist everyone who does not believe as they will burn forever in fiery torments clearly just mythical ideas stolen from pagan religions yet horrifying ideas the fundamentalists seem to relish and insist upon, giving outsiders again, a jaundiced veiw of a religion supposedly founded around a forgiving Christ.

Fundamentalists also insist that their God was so weak and foolish that a fallen angel named Lucifer revolted and took a third of the angels with him. Of course, real Biblical scholars know this Lucifier is only a mistranslations of a passage about a Babylonian king and has nothing to so with Satan or fallen angels, yet the fundamentalists insist that Lucifer is real, thus ridiculing the God they supposedly believe in. So what potential convert would want to follow a God who cannot even conrol his own servants, as these false beliefs imply.

The list could go on and on and on. I think it is pretty obvious by now what group has brought more ridicule and shame upon the followers of Christ than anything or anyone else, and like the Bible warns in revelations, they actually think they are following Christ in their decidely anti-christian beliefs. Man, that Satan is a clever one.

Nastrudamus was the one who visioned the Anti-Christs 1-3 Napolean the french king who we buried in St. Helena 2nd was Hitler who was obssesed with globalisation and irradication of non-whites The 3rd anti-christ would rise from the Middle East he would gain popularity from an event where 2 towers fall and will lead the children of God astray i would say that he is Osama bin laden

Well put DC. I'd like to concider my self a "rational Christian" and often find my self smashing my head againsed a wall at the closed mindedness of the Fundamentalists constently dismissing sienctific proof with rediculess sweeping statements. I mean how long was it before they conseeded to the fact that the earth is round and how much proof was needed? ...... and i bet some still dont buy it . How many more times will they be made to look right stupid and embarase other rational christians? I really struggle to graps why Fundamentalists dont embrace science as a way to better understand god and his methods rather than fight a loosing battle againsed it?!


And with the Nastrudamus thing i can see why Hitler was seen as the anti-christ and i can see why Osama bin laden could be tagged with this title too,exp if this whole middle east thing spills over in to a into an full blown christian VS muslim war but Napolean never struck me as evil. I mean yeah he was in the bussiness of conquering people who didn't want to be conquered but he wasn't really evil was he? i mean no more so that countless others over years in the same profession as him. The only difference i can see was he was more successful ..... for a time. And by anit-christ dose Nastrudamus mean just evil people i.e the opposite of christ (christ being the symbol of good) or full blown children of the devil, damion spec?

The record in Genesis is where the problem starts with the age of the Earth. In Gen 1:1 was the record of the original creation, but 1:2 has a problem with it. There is no word "was" in the text. The word is "became". Hence the original creation became without form and void which is "TOHU VA BOHU" in hebrew and means a wasteland. The Earth has been here for far longer than six thousand years and there is some biblical hints that there were races on it prior to the Adamaic race as well.

Really!? What are these hints? So why do some people struggle to get there heads round that?

Sorry posted twice.

The 3rd Antichrist Nostradamus predicted is not the biblical antichrist...

Antichrist is also a man because it states " The number of a MAN and his number is 666" so it is not a cultural thing.

The true anti-christ of the book of Revelations was Nero Caesar as virtually every serious Biblical scholar knows. But you are not going to sell many "Left Behind" books, or scare little old ladies out of their life savings with that. So now the anti-christ will be a rich guy with a foreign accent. Revelation was actually written for Christians at the end of the 1st century AD, not us. The scrip;ture itself is very clear on this point, but who wants to believe the scripture, when you can read fantasy novels about it?

I know they were referring to Nero, but I still don't know why Nostradamus labeled them antichrists

yes. it is called the pre-adamic years.

Yeah i belive so. Why did someone feel the need to lable Nero Caesar as the anit-christ and when they did were they acctualy saying he was the son of the devil or just a bit of a git and someone later on put the devil spin on it? I assume if Nero was called the anti-christ in the 1st century the title was just ment to point out he was oppisit of good and the devil bit was added later as you have said the in previous posts the whole devil thing wasn't put in to play till later on in history, yeah?! In that case ( off on a tangent ) who is Nostradamus on about and why call them the Anit-christ?

I'll admit that being a fundamentalist christian is anti-christian based on the grounds that the fundamentals we are talking about dont keep an open mind.

Osama i think not, why would satan come back only to put himself in the guise of a evil man, the best disguise for him would be a supposdely good role, until his plan kicks in and he has mislead many people, so the ways things have been going and the way it looks like its going i would hazzard a guess an say its someone high up in American politics or directly in the Bush family.

i disagree. the bible started over there and will end over there. it will be someone of that will be able to have some control on the islamic sect, not to mention the jewish faith. the bible says that the jews will believe that he is jesus.

People as well as gods could change thier battle plans over a few thousand years. so if i was satan and the book told me what was gonna happen and i was to fail why would i proceed, he must know something you dont..
always rember, dont belive everything you read, it was written by humans.