seems to me aliens may have been here for 1000's of years

i think it likely they have been here atleast since Roswell

i think they have been doing abductions for over 30 years

(the above are my personal beliefs)

my question being

assuming the aliens are here

why still so secretive ?

how long do these 'experiments' take ?

also

wouldnt it possibly more easy if they just revealed themselves and asked for our cooperation ?

i mean i wouldnt go for the anal probe, but i may be able to take them on a tour of the city

and why abduct 1 person at a time to extract sperm ?

i mean cant they just rob a sperm bank ?

seems it would be a whole lot quicker and easier

Aliens can be here for any reason don't assume there here for experiments. Lol spermbank why don't you go to the stupidity bank to get some more stupid questions

gee thanks for your input

and thanks for joining the forum

how did we ever get along without you

wow welcome to the forum looks like your alot of laughs..stupid is as stupid does

wouldnt it possibly more easy if they just revealed themselves and asked for our cooperation ?

i mean i wouldnt go for the anal probe, but i may be able to take them on a tour of the city

YEA! im sure they would lvoe for you to take them for a tour around the city

why would they reveal themselves if their plan was to eat you and take over the planet.

Well for one thing, there are many reasons for the government to cover up their existence:

Reasons for the UFO Coverup:

1. Possibility of world-wide economic collapse due to introduction of free energy and anti-gravity technologies.
2. Mass shock and world-wide panic.
3. Public unprepared for interaction with an alien species.
4. Trepidation from fundamental sects of Christianity and other skewed religions which strongly believe extraterrestrial life impossible. Any such encounter with alien life forms would be considered contact with "demons and satanic influences" since some Biblical authorities teach that Satan is "prince of the air." Such groups could ignite a religious war.
5. Apprehension of invasion. Concerns of human slavery, especially by the upper class elites, and subsequent imprisonment by the colonizing alien races.
6. The Military wants to figure out how the crafts and accompanying technologies work, for weapons development. They would make top-of-the-line weapons and delivery systems.
7. The Military needs to know how to defend against the same systems if some other country's military figures it out before "we" do.
8. Mistrust and lack of confidence in the military might of the United States, especially after spending $15 trillion dollars over the past 50 years. The greatest military force in the world would have to admit it cannot prevent "abductions" since the aliens that pilot the extraterrestrial crafts have superior flight and weapons technology.
9. New technology to prevent disease and increase aging would further harm environment due to rapid overpopulation.
10. Collapse of our current government if the truth were released that the knowledge was being withheld for so many years. The public could revolt and seek to replace the entire system.

However, when viewing it from the ET perspective, just think of it this way: If we were in their shoes, finding a planet with intelligent life in its early stages, would we land, introduce ourselves and teach them the wonders of the universe right off the bat? Of course not! We would allow them to develop on their own to make their own mistakes and guide them in the right direction on occasion when necessary all the while keeping our very existence somewhat covert until the civilization we are observing meets a technological, sociological, and psychological standard deeming them "ready" for official contact.

see i really dont see any reason for a cover up from the alien side

so far all ive heard is that they mutilate cows

and take eggs and sperm to create some odd alien babys

i stand by what i said

they could get what they want without all this other crap

they really dont seem to have much regard for us at all

as for your other comment

i think if we found a cave-man type planet there would be debate as to what to do

would we stand by and watch them plod along ?

you can say yes, but no one knows for sure

maybe it would be sweet to see cavemen with guns and scooters lol

The aliens are being secretive for their own safety. Think about it, we are almost a war-like species that kills, rapes and uses means of destruction. Now put yourself in the laiens place and add these up. You wouldn't want a species to know your existence because you fear that if they did, they'd hunt you down and destroy both you and your race. Hope that makes sense

For all we know we could be dealing with a variety of different alien species capable of intersteller travel at this point in time so for that reason for all we know there could be a galactic rule prohibiting intervention with more primitive civilizations in order to give all intelligent life forms the oppurtunity to evolve naturally on their own.

Also, it is possible that there may be some dispute between species on when to intervene which could cause battles to take place, never taking warfare as far as we do but none the less prosecuting those that attempt to break the intervention law. This could explain many UFO crashes. There have been many such accounts hundreds of years ago of battles in the sky as well as a more recent account from Russia for example: http://www.ufocasebook.com/flyingsaucerbattle.html
This doesn't necessarily mean those being shot down or those doing the shooting are hostile, just a prosecution of those guilty of breaking the galactic law as a result of difference in opinion. Of course this is only a theory though.

cool link PG ...lots of ufo stories come out of russia. they seem more open about the phenomena; in the U.S. its still a taboo subject left up to those who dare to be labeled crazy.

Well after the collapse of communism a lot of the classified documents became available which is why we know so much about the Russian governments personal investigations into the topic as well as the top secret KGB documents among many others. Russia is also our best source for USO accounts and documentation. The Russian Navy has encountered such craft in very close proximity and even witnessed such craft exit the water and sometimes hover over the ship, terrifying everyone on board, before shooting off into the sky.

good points!

lol noob

Why ponder over an assumption? Why not just forget about all the speculation and concentrate on finding empirical evidence? I'm sure everyone here would appreciate your findings.

i have seen a ufo before. when i say ufo i mean an object in the sky that was not a plane, nor anything else that i knew so it might not be alien related, but it was two bright white blinking lights that went 180 degrees around the horizon in about 5 seconds. it happened in Corpus Christi... any ideas?

id love to

how would you suggest i go about it ?

If you're asking me, I have no idea what they were.

I've seen huge UFOs in the San Luis area on several occasions, as well as a mutilated cow on my relative's ranch.

I have several ideas as to what the UFOs may have been, and as to what caused the mutilation, but I see indication that ETs were responsible.

what indications ?

Research the subject without any preconceived notions.

Little greys waving at me from the window of an alien space craft would be one.

This assumption is as good as any. Even if you had proof that some UfO's are extraterrestrial in origin? What does this tell us about the aliens and their agenda?
I think the aliens do want to remain secret and it's worth pondering.

id say it could be because they are few in number, and while thier space travel tech. is far advanced, either thier weapons tech lacks or they have evolved beyond the need for weapons in thier own culture and just dont have any to defend themselves from us in a major attack

Are you serious or justing joking? Because this has also been seen and reported by others.

If they wave they must know enough about us and our greetings of a "wave" hello or goodbye.

If they waved to me, I would think differently about them -(ie: in a good way) -Now if they probed the heck outta' me and harmed me, well obviously I would want to kick their @sses!

I read somewhere that over 170 different Aliens have or are visiting here. Some are bad and others mean well and good (sort of like us humans - the world is filled with bad and good people) . But ALL of the various Alien species being soooo secret for sooo many years?? If they are anything like us (which I doubt), they can't hold a secret forever! LOL

good point rapid. all we do have are assumptions, nothing more. there is no empirical evidence that aliens , if thats what ufos are piloted by, if piloted at all, even exist. but to run with the pondering...

its possible that advanced species have realized what we havent, that introduction into an ecosystem of a new animal, especially one with superior survival skills destroys the habitat and makes survival more difficult for the indigenous species...(i know we know this, we just dont practice it)

or...

they could be observing us and collecting scientific information, which if they overtly interfered with, would ruin the study....

or...

they may have had a hand in our "creation" into what we are, and therefore see themselves as overseer's or caretakers.....or perhaps simply as propagators for their own ends in our evolutionary path

or...

perhaps they view us as animals and not really important enough to even bother trying to explain themselves

but in the end , who knows lol

The way I see it is, aliens exist. Now there is no proof (available to us) that they are visiting earth, but I still have my own conclusions drawn. Do you really think they would let the public find out about all of there black projects which aren't "official", therefore, can't be verified as real? I think not. Just look at the A-bomb, no one really knew about them until one exploded in Hiroshima. If you can't understand how the government could keep this such a secret, and that they wouldn't lie to us, take a look at watergate. Everybody was all "Oh, I trust our government, they wouldn't lie to us, they know what's in our best interest", while the last part may be true, after the scandal was uncovered, people's eyes were opened up, and they realized that there is plenty of "behind-the-scenes" work going on, that only certain people know about. To quote Ben Rich, former head of Lockheed Skunkworks before he died:
" We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of god to ever get them out to benefit humanity."

Some people won't draw the same conclusions as me, but there are just some things I will not overlook. Hundreds, even thousands of reports each year come out telling of abductions, UFO sightings (which means nothing, most people aren't trained to identify aircraft), and descriptions of "extraterrestrials". Now if this were to only happen in America, I could see how some people would think it was an american fabricated 'hype', but it happens all over the world, in virtually every country in the world. How can someone from india, who has never seen a TV, or heard a radio, or anything like that, make the same exact description as someone across the globe, when there are no connections at all besides the description? Is it a coincidence? I don't think so, but that's just me.
As far as alien craft goes, I'm on both sides, I'm sure most (if not all- I always keep that in mind) are man-made secret projects or just unknown crafts in-general. But what makes me get inquisitive is: where did the technology come from? After the supposed crash at Roswell, New Mexico, our technological economy sky-rocketed. We started coming up with the most manueverable, stealthy, and fast machines we ever constructed. Now maybe this is just because of the time, and we were on the verge of a major breakthrough in tech. anyway.
I have two sides of me. One side keeps a strong hold of everything I know right now. The other draws conclusions from the research, and puts together pieces of the puzzle, whether in the right place or not. To put it in simpler terms... I have one foot on the reality we KNOW, and one foot on the reality that seems to be trying to surface... But I never criss-cross them unless I know something to be true, or real. It's almost like living a duality... It works for me though...anyone else like this???

Heck, by this measure, there are 3 'sides' of me. First, there's the vast realm of what's possible, which is quite a bit. Second, a more narrow framework of what's likely to be probable. And finally, that which is proven, as much as anything can be proven (in science there's always the possibility of falsification).

It's not so much living a 'duality' or 'tri-ality", but rather that it's simply the way things *are*. It would be nice to be able to know for sure the answers to certain questions; Is there a God?, What happens to our conscious mind after death?, What exactly are UFOs?...add your favorite. However, I wouldn't advise holding your breath expecting an answer to these questions!

I don't think you understand fully what I mean... Whatever, not a big deal.

MF your defiantly singing from the same hymm sheet as me. Good Post chief