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et's daddy
seems to me many of the UFO sightings could be real

they are just unmanned earth based human made craft

some see these craft making 90 degree turns and such with a g-force a human couldnt stand

of course an unmanned craft wouldnt have to worry about that

just food for thought
Carl Butters
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 8 2006, 11:11 PM) [snapback]1054582[/snapback]

seems to me many of the UFO sightings could be real

they are just unmanned earth based human made craft

some see these craft making 90 degree turns and such with a g-force a human couldnt stand

of course an unmanned craft wouldnt have to worry about that

just food for thought



thats an excellent point et's daddy. lol instead of negating the law of inertia, they (us) simply use remote controlled "ufos". this is very possible indeed. and probably the correct answer....because its the simplest.
Carl Butters
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 8 2006, 11:11 PM) [snapback]1054582[/snapback]

seems to me many of the UFO sightings could be real

they are just unmanned earth based human made craft

some see these craft making 90 degree turns and such with a g-force a human couldnt stand

of course an unmanned craft wouldnt have to worry about that

just food for thought



o now the question is , whos doing it, which nation? or group?......thats interesting to ponder.
et's daddy
QUOTE(Carl Butters @ Feb 8 2006, 11:16 PM) [snapback]1054589[/snapback]

o now the question is , whos doing it, which nation? or group?......thats interesting to ponder.


the US would be top choice

Japan very good with electronics



and im not saying this solves all sightings

i do believe in aliens

just saying it could be the answer to many of them
Carl Butters
thumbsup.gif lol sorry to keep posting...but i just had another thought on this subject.


if ufos are a recent phenomena , then i agree , they are ours. however, if they existed prior to our industrial revolution, then i highly doubt all ufos are ours...however, there may be some that are the u.s. militaries (for example) that have been in use for the past few decades or perhaps even the past 5 decades..

so in conclusion then, i would think that the "remote controlled device" hypothesis , as it refers to human beings controlling them, must have come about after the industrial revolution, at the earliest point. the question is , did people see ufos (that were devices unsure.gif ) prior to that point in human history? if so, then it cant be humans piloting all ufos.........

but still...excellent point et's daddy. why negate inertia...why not just use remote control....that is awesome thumbsup.gif
Carl Butters
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 8 2006, 11:20 PM) [snapback]1054592[/snapback]

the US would be top choice

Japan very good with electronics
and im not saying this solves all sightings

i do believe in aliens

just saying it could be the answer to many of them



your idea seems reasonable... very reasonable, i would bet, actually wager money, that you are correct. thumbsup.gif
Carl Butters
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 8 2006, 11:20 PM) [snapback]1054592[/snapback]

the US would be top choice

Japan very good with electronics
and im not saying this solves all sightings

i do believe in aliens

just saying it could be the answer to many of them



lol i cant stay away from this one blush.gif

if correct, then this presents a very nasty possibility. that abductions may actually occur, and is propagated by our own military.....for whatever ends that may be. which of course has been pondered by many an investigator, and some abductees say that their captors where indeed human beings.....

the alien abduction tale would be an excellent cover for such an operation. unfortunetly if aliens do exist and have been able to come to our world, the abduction scenario actually makes them seem evil and nasty (to many).....

this is disturbing.
ShaunZero
Well, just because we don't know of a way to do it, doesn't mean they can't.
et's daddy
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Feb 8 2006, 11:52 PM) [snapback]1054622[/snapback]

Well, just because we don't know of a way to do it, doesn't mean they can't.


do what ?
Rainbow Rowan
I have to say that I don't agree with the hypothesis. Simply because I have seen craft with my own eyes that have no visible wings or propulsion systems. How can you explain these as man-made? Surely you cannot suggest that with our current technology there would be secretive highly advanced technology that no-one can explain or even NASA doesn't use?
ShaunZero
Null the G-forces it would put on a person/thing being inside the cract.
et's daddy
QUOTE(Rainbow Rowan @ Feb 8 2006, 11:59 PM) [snapback]1054630[/snapback]

I have to say that I don't agree with the hypothesis. Simply because I have seen craft with my own eyes that have no visible wings or propulsion systems. How can you explain these as man-made? Surely you cannot suggest that with our current technology there would be secretive highly advanced technology that no-one can explain or even NASA doesn't use?



dude (yes i see youre a girl, i call everyone dude)

read all the posts

i said i think this could cover many of the sightings

not all of them
Rainbow Rowan
geek.gif Thanks for that suggestion, ET, but I *did* read all the posts. I don't agree with it. Simple.
earthchick
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 9 2006, 12:11 AM) [snapback]1054582[/snapback]

seems to me many of the UFO sightings could be real

they are just unmanned earth based human made craft

some see these craft making 90 degree turns and such with a g-force a human couldnt stand

of course an unmanned craft wouldnt have to worry about that

just food for thought



I think you are right. In all likelyhood a good number of UFO sightings are just that......but as you've also said, not all.
Pannkakskungen
QUOTE(Carl Butters @ Feb 9 2006, 05:16 AM) [snapback]1054589[/snapback]

o now the question is , whos doing it, which nation? or group?......thats interesting to ponder.


The big ones in the UAV(Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) or UA(Unmanned Aircraft) as the US military calls them nowadays, market are Israel, the US, Israel sort of lead the introduction of modern UAVs, even though the US used some in Vietnam. The israelis are still very active, but the really high tech ones are developed in the US, especially when it comes to the new generation of purpose built armed unmanned aircraft like the X-45 and the X-47.
AstroPro
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 8 2006, 11:11 PM) [snapback]1054582[/snapback]

seems to me many of the UFO sightings could be real

they are just unmanned earth based human made craft

some see these craft making 90 degree turns and such with a g-force a human couldnt stand

of course an unmanned craft wouldnt have to worry about that

just food for thought


Actually a craft of any kind reaching the amazing speeds witnessed is impossible even for an unmanned craft. Some UFO's have been documented by airforce pilots and military personel visually and tracked on radar confirming that the object shooting across the sky is solid and traveling at a speed of sometimes over 9,000 mph then stopping on a dime, hovering, and making right angle turns. The G-forces caused from such a stunt would not only kill anyone within the craft, the craft itself would be torn apart very easily. It's not even close to being possible without having some sort of inertia canceller or anti-gravity field around the craft which is technology we are far from achieving.
Lilly
Here's another hypothesis. What if UFOs aren't space craft at all. What if the UFOs (that are seen engaging in these seemingly impossible maneuvers) are some sort of yet unknown physical phenomena? Since we really don't have definitive evidence for exactly *what* these things could be...then all possibilities must remain open.
Pannkakskungen
QUOTE(Lilly @ Feb 9 2006, 01:34 PM) [snapback]1054969[/snapback]

Here's another hypothesis. What if UFOs aren't space craft at all. What if the UFOs (that are seen engaging in these seemingly impossible maneuvers) are some sort of yet unknown physical phenomena? Since we really don't have definitive evidence for exactly *what* these things could be...then all possibilities must remain open.


Hey, thats my theory tongue.gif wink2.gif
earthchick
QUOTE(Lilly @ Feb 9 2006, 08:34 AM) [snapback]1054969[/snapback]

Here's another hypothesis. What if UFOs aren't space craft at all. What if the UFOs (that are seen engaging in these seemingly impossible maneuvers) are some sort of yet unknown physical phenomena? Since we really don't have definitive evidence for exactly *what* these things could be...then all possibilities must remain open.



I think that could be true of some of them as well, especially those described as balls of light.......but that wouldn't explain the ones that are obviously a craft of some sort.
Carl Butters
QUOTE(Lilly @ Feb 9 2006, 07:34 AM) [snapback]1054969[/snapback]

Here's another hypothesis. What if UFOs aren't space craft at all. What if the UFOs (that are seen engaging in these seemingly impossible maneuvers) are some sort of yet unknown physical phenomena? Since we really don't have definitive evidence for exactly *what* these things could be...then all possibilities must remain open.


that is an excellent point lilly. im sure that there are physical phenomena that are ufos, such as ball lighting, or things of which we dont have names for yet lol......that is very reasonable, even more so than unmanned craft, however, i do think that the unmanned craft hypothesis presented by et's daddy is viable, perhaps not in all circumstances, but in some or many......for instance, there are many cases where ufos dont reach speeds of such value that would actually destroy the craft upon stopping..(in reference to prophecy guru, which i believe you would be right, those ufos that exhibit such traits are indeed unknowns..)

however, there was a case in Huffman, Texas in late Dec. of 1980, where two women and a male child witnessed a ufo ( a diamond shape) , which was escorted by chinook helicopters, of which the military denies of course. in this case, these two women and the child have all suffered side effects of exposure to radiation. which they say occured that night they witnessed the object. (Cash-Lundrum CE2 )

now if this is true (which i personally believe it is) , that means that our government has had a unique technology since at least 1980. perhaps magnetohydrodynamic generators(super heated nearly pure magnesium).....but if so, then that implies that they have probably advanced that research, and now have a more operatable version, rather than the one seen in Huffman, that dec. night, which wobbled and looked unstable , as reported by the victims.

also, the military has been developing derigibles that have a unique compound coating on the exterior, like a hard shell. they are hoping for air craft carriers that are air born. these airborne aircraft carriers would be enormous, (ever seen an aircraft carrier?)...and in the pictures in popular mechanics (artists renditions) the derigible aircraft carriers looked like large triangularly shaped "stealth bomber" type craft. they would be nearly silent , and be able to hover. perhaps some sightings of large triangular "ufos" are actually these things being tested. of course, they can not travel very fast, so they would just kindof "float" along if you will. so this negates any sightings of large triangular shaped "ufos" that are traveling at great speeds of course, as being one of these aircraft carriers.

but i still really like et's daddy's idea. and lilly's point is absolutely without a doubt another element of the ufo enigma.
Carl Butters
QUOTE(earthchick @ Feb 9 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]1056258[/snapback]

I think that could be true of some of them as well, especially those described as balls of light.......but that wouldn't explain the ones that are obviously a craft of some sort.


thats an excellent point earthchick. in dealing with ufos, it appears that a percentage of ufos are "this" and "that".......and thats what makes the ufo enigma such a difficult problem to solve i think.
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