et's daddy
Feb 11 2006, 10:55 PM
bringing back the old onew may be a problem we cant overcome soon with DNA, or lack of DNA
but
how about a different approach ?
think maybe we could unlock the growth gene ?
do animals have a growth inhibitor, that stops them from growing when they reach an about average size ?
is there a way to shut that off ?
so instead of bringing back an old dino, we just create new ones
maybe a crocodile 200 times normal size ?
Conspiracy
Feb 11 2006, 11:47 PM
dought it
et's daddy
Feb 11 2006, 11:49 PM
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ Feb 11 2006, 06:47 PM) [snapback]1058266[/snapback]
dought it

*doubt
and why ?
angrycrustacean
Feb 11 2006, 11:54 PM
I suspect that the growth inhibitor is so deeply engrained in animals and humans that we could never restrain it. We could mess with the gland which controls growth, pituatary gland I believe.
newbloodmoon
Feb 12 2006, 01:34 AM
I don't think we 'should' or 'need' to make anything bigger, tougher, meaner, etc. I do think that evolution does a fine job of it and have it take years to change things.
I don't think we should bring anything back from the past such as dinosaurs either. I don't think our current global climate would much support a creature that survived 65+ million years ago.
et's daddy
Feb 12 2006, 01:47 AM
QUOTE(newbloodmoon @ Feb 11 2006, 08:34 PM) [snapback]1058353[/snapback]
I don't think we 'should' or 'need' to make anything bigger, tougher, meaner, etc. I do think that evolution does a fine job of it and have it take years to change things.
that may be true
but curiosity gets the best of me
maybe we could even grow a Great White to the size of a Megalodon
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I don't think we should bring anything back from the past such as dinosaurs either. I don't think our current global climate would much support a creature that survived 65+ million years ago.
i do agree with that
the climate is very changed since then
frogfish
Feb 12 2006, 10:13 PM
GH...Growth Hormone. Over-production of GH in humans causes Giantism... so it will work on animals...but probably not 200 times, maybe just less than twice...
et's daddy
Feb 12 2006, 10:21 PM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Feb 12 2006, 05:13 PM) [snapback]1059008[/snapback]
GH...Growth Hormone. Over-production of GH in humans causes Giantism... so it will work on animals...but probably not 200 times, maybe just less than twice...
"Great whites average 12-16 feet long (3.7-4.9 m) long. The biggest great white shark on record was 23 feet (7 m) long, weighing about 7,000 pounds (3200 kg). Females are larger than males, as with most sharks. Shark pups can be over 5 feet (1.5 m) long at birth. "
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/...reatwhite.shtmljust less then half eh ?
so maybe a 40 foot great white, yeah that would be something to see
frogfish
Feb 13 2006, 01:21 AM
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"Great whites average 12-16 feet long (3.7-4.9 m) long. The biggest great white shark on record was 23 feet (7 m) long, weighing about 7,000 pounds (3200 kg). Females are larger than males, as with most sharks. Shark pups can be over 5 feet (1.5 m) long at birth. "
So? The average human is 5'9" Some can grow to almost 7'. Its diversity, not GH. Humans with Giantism can reach up to 9'...
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just less then half eh ?
Yes, what you posted had no relevancy
et's daddy
Feb 13 2006, 01:59 AM
you said GH could make it grow to almost 2 times the size
what i posted stated a Great White can be 23 feet long
so
therefore
a 40 foot Great White hopped up on GH would be almost 2 times the size
where is it you dont understand ?
frogfish
Feb 14 2006, 02:36 AM
......... ooops!
Sorry et...My mistake...I didn't understand you the first time
Ravinar
Feb 23 2006, 01:05 AM
you do realize that even if you could make some thing grow 200 times it size it would die pretty quick the body structure would not be abel to support it.
ShaunZero
Feb 23 2006, 04:26 AM
Ok, why someone would want to bring Dino's back is beyond me. Why don't we just be happy we're alive and live life dammit.
Anicius Boethius
Feb 23 2006, 06:27 PM
Ravinar has raised an interesting point. If, for example, a chicken was engineered to grow 200 times it's normal size, it would be over 200 feet tall, and its legs would surely snap under the strain of trying of support such a heavy body, right?
frogfish
Feb 23 2006, 10:25 PM
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you do realize that even if you could make some thing grow 200 times it size it would die pretty quick the body structure would not be abel to support it.
In water it could...
Ravinar
Feb 24 2006, 02:02 AM
QUOTE(Anicius Boethius @ Feb 23 2006, 06:27 PM) [snapback]1075384[/snapback]
Ravinar has raised an interesting point. If, for example, a chicken was engineered to grow 200 times it's normal size, it would be over 200 feet tall, and its legs would surely snap under the strain of trying of support such a heavy body, right?
of coarse. even t.rex had to go through a lot of evolutionary body modifications to support its larg size
Ravinar
Feb 24 2006, 02:07 AM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Feb 23 2006, 10:25 PM) [snapback]1075846[/snapback]
In water it could...
what good is 200 ft chicken i water?

other then being shark bait of coarse
RamboIII
Feb 24 2006, 02:09 AM
this is a BIT off topic, but not really, but still it is... loll, but anyway... i am just wondering why the dinos were so huge, and now the biggest land animal is a wimpy 10- 20 foot tall (just guessing) elephant. i like the image of huge animals roaming the earth.. why are we so small?
BurnSide
Feb 24 2006, 02:42 AM
The short answer to that Rambo is simply the demands of the environment. Why are whales so big, why are mice so small, why were the dinosaurs so massive and mammals much smaller? All demands of the environment and, naturally, evolution is not but adaptation to an environment. Some dinosaurs needed to have especially massive necks to reach vegetation high high up, and they needed an equally long tail to balance out, and as such a powerstation was needed between the neck and tail to control everything and keep such an immense body warmed and full of energy. Such large herbivores demanded therefore large predators too. The mammals took the small spots and stayed small so they could hide in tiny places and avoid big jaws. etc etc etc etc
And the Giraffe is currently the biggest land-dwelling mammal.
frogfish
Feb 25 2006, 01:09 AM
And it is 28 feet tall.
A animal with large proportions could support its weight in water. That's what I mean, Ravinar.
Ravinar
Feb 25 2006, 03:12 AM
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And it is 28 feet tall.
A animal with large proportions could support its weight in water. That's what I mean, Ravinar.
i know what you ment frogfish. i was just joking around that all.
Erikl
Feb 25 2006, 04:10 PM
The reason is that mammals have fur and warm blood, so they don't need to be as massive as reptiles to keep themselves warm.
The lizard-like dinos probably were cold-blooded so they needed to be as large to preserve their heat.
frogfish
Feb 25 2006, 07:43 PM
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know what you ment frogfish. i was just joking around that all.
oh, ok
et's daddy
Feb 26 2006, 12:06 AM
QUOTE(Ravinar @ Feb 22 2006, 08:05 PM) [snapback]1074303[/snapback]
you do realize that even if you could make some thing grow 200 times it size it would die pretty quick the body structure would not be abel to support it.
QUOTE(Anicius Boethius @ Feb 23 2006, 01:27 PM) [snapback]1075384[/snapback]
Ravinar has raised an interesting point. If, for example, a chicken was engineered to grow 200 times it's normal size, it would be over 200 feet tall, and its legs would surely snap under the strain of trying of support such a heavy body, right?
i dont see the problem
a 200' tall chicken wouldnt still have its little wimpy chicken legs
the legs would also grow in proportion
think how many people you could feed with a 200' chicken
Ravinar
Feb 26 2006, 01:15 AM
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 26 2006, 12:06 AM) [snapback]1079373[/snapback]
i dont see the problem
a 200' tall chicken wouldnt still have its little wimpy chicken legs
the legs would also grow in proportion
think how many people you could feed with a 200' chicken
even so the design of the hole body is not right for supporting such a larg body thats what i ment about t.rex it hade to chang its hole body structure to become so big theres a lot more to it then just making it grow really big
et's daddy
Feb 26 2006, 01:42 AM
QUOTE(Ravinar @ Feb 25 2006, 08:15 PM) [snapback]1079465[/snapback]
even so the design of the hole body is not right for supporting such a larg body thats what i ment about t.rex it hade to chang its hole body structure to become so big theres a lot more to it then just making it grow really big

seems we may have to agree to disagree
i would think my theory would be like midgets
see a 3' tall man and it seems youre saying he couldnt possibly maintain his form or body style and be a 7' tall man
and yet we know it works
(yes, i understand Yao Ming isnt 200 times the size of a midget, but i still think it would work)
Ravinar
Feb 26 2006, 02:00 AM
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 26 2006, 01:42 AM) [snapback]1079513[/snapback]
seems we may have to agree to disagree
i would think my theory would be like midgets
see a 3' tall man and it seems youre saying he couldnt possibly maintain his form or body style and be a 7' tall man
and yet we know it works
(yes, i understand Yao Ming isnt 200 times the size of a midget, but i still think it would work)
pulled this from a site i tells a little more clearly what i ment.
Dinosaurs are a group of ancient reptiles that had a set of particular skeletal features. The hips, hind legs, and ankles were specialized and allowed the legs to move directly under the body, rather than extending out from the side of the body as in modern lizards. This arrangement enabled dinosaurs to bring their knees and ankles directly below their hips and provided the necessary attachments for very strong leg muscles. Dinosaur skeletons were well designed for supporting a large body, for standing erect (upright), and for running. The front legs were adapted for grasping prey, for supporting weight, or for walking and running. The skulls of dinosaurs were designed for maximum strength, for minimum weight, and (in some cases) for grasping, holding, or tearing at prey. These skeletal features separated dinosaurs from other ancient reptiles such as Dimetrodon, the plesiosaurs, and pterosaurs.
Stalker
Mar 1 2006, 02:36 AM
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 25 2006, 08:42 PM) [snapback]1079513[/snapback]
seems we may have to agree to disagree
i would think my theory would be like midgets
see a 3' tall man and it seems youre saying he couldnt possibly maintain his form or body style and be a 7' tall man
and yet we know it works
(yes, i understand Yao Ming isnt 200 times the size of a midget, but i still think it would work)
Funny, because I remeber reading somewhere that if you double a creature's size, it would be around 4 times as heavy. Now, the skeletal structure to support a creature of that size would neet to me much more than twice as thick, correct? Would there even be enough room in the skin for muscle and tendon?
And your analogy reguarding the 3' man and the 7' man wouldn't work. The average height of a Homo Sapiens is between 5 and 6 feet, so a 7' person wouldn't put much strain on the human body structure.
frogfish
Mar 1 2006, 02:59 AM
also, your idea on midgets are at opposite ends of a genetic mutation- Giantism and dwarfism.
et's daddy
Mar 1 2006, 03:06 AM
i stand by the idea that a 200' chicken would work
you offer no proof that it won't
hell they have 7' ostriches
go ahead, argue it's not a chicken
point is, it's a bird much larger then a chicken, much more then 4 times the size
frogfish
Mar 1 2006, 03:25 AM
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i stand by the idea that a 200' chicken would work
I guess it could....The only ? I have are the legs. Would they be strong enough to hold it up?
Ostriches have very strong legs.
Ravinar
Mar 1 2006, 04:12 AM
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Mar 1 2006, 03:06 AM) [snapback]1084731[/snapback]
i stand by the idea that a 200' chicken would work
you offer no proof that it won't
hell they have 7' ostriches
go ahead, argue it's not a chicken
point is, it's a bird much larger then a chicken, much more then 4 times the size
ok man!! i'm going to try this ONE MORE TIME!! the reason that a 200ft chicken would not work is because the body structure would not support it!! if your trying to compare a chicken to an ostrich it wont help your argument at all because as any biologist would tell you the chicken evolved to support a small body and an ostrich evolved to support a larger body. a chickens body structure could not support the wait of a 200ft body. i hope i made myself clear this time.
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