What are your beliefs on Extraterrestrials and UFOs and other different kinds of alien craft and technology.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that ALOT of people on here either believe or want to believe.

Personally, I believe there is a tremendous truck load of evidence available for just about anyone to research (not including top secret government documents that have yet to be leaked to the public). All you really have to do is sit down, keep an open mind, and review all available data you can find. Alot of what is out there is complete hogwash but it is the misconception that all alien related events are the same that keeps the skeptics from putting any time or effort into researching the more credible and reliable cases that are available for research.

There, I got it in the right forum this time!

I want to believe. But it's very hard for me to believe. I wish it wasn't hard for me. But unfortunatly it is.



I know this will sound crazy. But I'm so desparate to find out if aliens and ufos etc. exist. That if I don't ever find out if aliens and ufos etc. exist. That I would put myself in a hurtful position.

Interesting, I have no desire to believe...I simply want to know.

The problem is that the plural of anecdotal evidence does not equal data. Until such time as there is irrefutable evidence (ie, proof) that UFOs are ET space ships, I opt to suspend judgement on this question. I await a compelling exhibit "A".

I agree...to an extent. The skeptics get fed the same stuff as everyone else. It is up to the person taking in the information to decide how they feel about it. I agree that a lot of people are skeptical, because of their lack of knowledge on the subject, though.

As far as my beliefs... Oh my... I don't have beliefs per sé (as far as ufology, and EBEs go), they're more like "educated possibility matrixes" - if that makes sense to you... I really don't want to go into it, because it would take a long time, and I can already feel my eyes starting to close on me... But this is a good thread topic...

I know you wanted to get peoples views on what they believe and stuff, but I just like to hear myself type sometimes... Right now is one of those times...

Mind Freak's going to bed.
Say goodnight to Mind Freak!
I said say it!!
Good night.

I agree with Prophecy Guru..

I can't prove why I feel this but I think they are out there . I've never seen one -only in vague dreams far and few in my lifetime.

A bit of research from reliable sources along with an open mind and commen sense - you will see.

Even O'Reilly was kind to a couple that was on his show a few weeks ago that were abducted.. I was surprised.

When you wonder where "some" of the UFO's come from since they do not seem "man-made" well, behind those flying UFO's are probably Aliens.

I am not the only one who's seen UFO's .. Larry King, John Lennon, several USA presidents and other well knowns around the world. Many of these people felt the UFO was NOT man made.. although they never said the word "ET or Aliens" But I get what they mean..

me to I want to know that they exist. But it will never happen. At least in my lifetime I think. So maybe I should just go ahead and put myself in that hurtful pisition that I was talking about.

i know for sure there is alot of crap on the bet to sift through

however

i do believe aliens exist, from many different planets

i believe some have visited here

i believe some abductions happen

i believe some may actually live here

i believe many people around the world have proof of aliens

i dont say governments because i dont know who knows what, i think many people in the gov. have been left ignorant to the facts

and i too long for the facts to come out

i know there are people that know the truth, and i long for them to come forward

I live in a ufo hotspot ive seen about 25 ufos mostly triangular... I believe.

me too. I long for the truth. And I'll always long for the truth until the day comes when I'll finally know for sure that aliens and ufos exist.

i feel alot like you do

i cant accept that the truth wont come out before i die

i just refuse to believe that

i always feel the truth is just out of reach, but so close you can almost touch it

I'd have to say that they do exist, I just cant see there being no other forms of life out there in the endless expanses of space...

The truth might be close at hand...rumour has it theres some big ships headed this way? like the size of texas.

Goodnight Mindfreak, sleep well.

I share much of what Mckenna steted in her first post to this thread. Here is an older article by Mario Livio. Disclaimer: He is a very credible scientist. (for the HBs; this article may shock you:o)

[attachmentid=23250]Mario Livio
If civilizations exist around other stars they are likely to be just emerging across our Galaxy right now: like an apple orchard suddenly maturing and ripening in the autumn sun. So concludes Space Telescope Science Institute theorist Mario Livio, in a paper to be published in the Astrophysical Journal.

Livio emphasizes that his theoretical work doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial civilizations really do exist, but it shows they cannot be dismissed either. We would be a lonely, isolated quirk of cosmic evolution if intelligent life forms appear on a planet at some random time in the parent star's life, say some theorists. Instead, Livio makes the case for a possible causal link between the sun's lifetime and the appearance of intelligent life on earth. This link should hold true for sun-like stars elsewhere in the universe: offering an equal opportunity for intelligent life to arise elsewhere in space.

The second part of his case is based on the possibility that carbon — the fundamental building block of life as we know it — may not have been widely available until the universe was about 1/2 its present age. This means that, given the added billions of years more required for biological evolution, intelligent carbon-based life didn't make an appearance any earlier than roughly 3 billion years ago.

He points out that before the universe could make life like us, it has to make carbon atoms. The carbon was created by nuclear fusion in the hearts of early stars, and then ejected when the stars lost their outer gas layers and left their cores behind as white dwarfs.

Livio calculates that carbon production may have peaked only two billion years before the sun and earth formed, based on estimates of the star formation rate made with Hubble Telescope and other ground-based telescopes. Though life first emerged on earth a few hundred million years after its formation, it took a vastly longer time — nearly 3 billion years — for the first multi-celled organisms to appear. It took almost another billion years before life emerged from the sea onto the land. The earliest humans appeared less than 4 million years ago - at about the halfway point in our sun's lifetime. If this were purely coincidental, other theoreticians have argued, then it would take much longer than the life of a star for most civilizations to arise. And so it would be unlikely extraterrestrial civilization would come about at all. We would be alone in the universe: reduced to a novelty — or accident — of the cosmos.

Because sunlight provides far more energy for life than other chemical processes, biological evolution is intimately linked to the sun's behavior, Livio maintains. For example, the complex evolution of our atmosphere is interrelated with the sun.

Our planet's atmosphere had to develop ozone to block out destructive UV radiation from the sun before animals could emerge on the land Likewise, he says, other civilizations should have emerged not much sooner or later than about halfway through their parent star's life cycle. That is, around stars like our sun, or slightly cooler, that live healthy long stable lives and release enough energy to nurture life on accompanying planets.

If Livio is correct, and the Galaxy may be blooming with new civilizations, then where are they? Why haven't they visited us?

Livio cautions that his work does not prove the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, but points out that earlier conclusions that they do not exist may be premature.

He says that that it's also risky to think civilizations would colonize the Galaxy. "This assumes we have even the vaguest understanding of the psychology of extraterrestrial civilizations."

He adds: "It's impossible to imagine the thinking of a civilization which might have evolved a million of years ahead of humans.We could be about as uninteresting to them as an amoeba is to us. Actual proof will have to await advances in biology and astronomy."

Release Date: 9:00AM (EST) December 10, 1998
Release Number: STScI-1998-43

Contact:


Ray Villard
Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore, MD
(Phone: 410-338-4514)
Mario Livio
Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore, MD
(Phone: 410-338-4439)

The US government may be covering up information about UFOs at the request of the aliens.

McKenna,

You know, after I took like 3 days of reading ALL these various reports that I found on just ONE site that gathered information, SOME of these reports just might be true.

They can't ALL be liars or attention getters. Or maybe I still have too much faith and trust in mankind?

Even if there is a 1% chance that one of these stories is true - (which I believe there is more ).. that's enough for me.

When you go to this site, SCROLL to the BOTTOM to find the reports sectioned by YEAR - It goes from 1990 to 2005.

" The Humanoid Contact Database : "
http://iraap.org/rosales/index.htm#2004

i totally agree

out of the thousands of sightings, a few must be aliens

Here is a better source: http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk/conthumanoid.html

It was one of the 3 websites listed as references by your link, the only difference being that this particular link goes all the way back to 1979

UFO Casebook also was listed as one of the references and goes back to 1980.

His first listed reference is even more extensive than the above two: http://www.ufoinfo.com/humanoid/index.shtml

No matter what the source though, it makes for a very interesting read.

I agree with you. At least one if not more has to be aliens. We can only hope.

thank you guys for giving me hope. I need hope.

who wouldn't want to believe in aliens.. just the thought of meeting life outside of earth is awesome! Unfortunately, we probably won't be able to ever know the real truth in our life times.. unless we do something about it. Say, make a mad dash for area 51!!!


.... but thats already been ruled out ... *sigh.*

.... guess its back to the o-so-fun life of posting on forums and debating about it for eternity

Hi

in my opinion life giving force force is spirit +materia.

Than something like omnipotent creature was created(many call him God or else)and was given powers and tought powers/knowledge.

And this happened simultaneosely in many places .

And some chose to advance technologicaly without respect towards other creatures and enviroment and advanced by overexploring while others chose to respect everything around them and advanced spirutually.

Now spiritual creatures being respectfull were non agresive for difference.

The others in their technolical advance were destroying their world and reached tecno limit and built crafts to take them to other worlds as they were about to destroy all of the life giving force/spirit in theirs and needed more life giving force.

And they started exploring and at the same time lost their soul and only knowing of knowledge destroyed many other worlds and there fore angered spirit/God .......OK thet is the story 4 another topic.

When i said
and this happened simultaneosely in many places
i meant to say that many worlds were created in the same time.

Now conclusion is that these creatures might newer know of spiritual addvancement which again might another topic all together.

I say, we should all fly to Nevada, ride a bus to Groom Lake, and blast the hell outta the Area 51 government people!

Torturing citizens of outside worlds can not be good for interplanetary relations...

I believe there is intellgent life in the galaxy other than us but other than that I have no proof that there is.

As far as alien technology is concerned, I've never seen any so I have no comment. If they are able to reach us then it must be advanced but that's all I can assume.

Seeing is beliving
i hope one day u might be able too see something
but i also hope that they are goping 2b friendly ones.

Given that the universe is so vast I'd like to think that there is a possibility.

I really don't know what to believe. I've always been someone who is interested in this sort of stuff. I also agree that "logically" if there are billions of stars and planets in the universe. Than we can't be the "only" planet that has life. I've also seen a couple of things (in various points in my life) in the night sky that I couldn't explain. I'm one of the eye witnesses to the mysterious lights over Phoenix in 1997. I'm not sure what they were said to be? If anyone knows, let me know.

I guess I'm just someone who is waiting and searching for the hardcore proof that will eventually surface.

I believe in UFO's because I have seen them, but aliens...
*shrugs shoulders*... I don't know?

~ADHD~

How do you know it will never happen? I mean, if there is a technologically advanced ET civilization looking around the galaxy as I type this, why couldn't they eventually find us and make contact? Granted, contact next week is probably unlikely, and it may not happen for hundreds of years...but noone knows for sure when this could happen.

Also, even if this contact happened tomorrow it's unlikely that it would serve to change our everyday lives. Sometimes I think people are looking to ETs to come and *save* us from ourselves in some manner. I think that would be very unlikely indeed. So, there's no need to place oneself in an emotionally hurtful position. ETs or not, our lives are our lives, and no one else's. Yeah, that can really suck at times...but it's the only game in town.

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions...
Maybe there are people here who have communicated with them.
Maybe there is a secret government that keeps a monopoly on all of the UFO/ ET information.


Saying that noone knows for sure, isn't neccesarily true, I am sure you know that, and i'm sure you weren't implying it was a definate... But I thought i'd comment on it, no offence of course...


I will say that I definately believe in extra-terrestrial life. Without a doubt in my mind. This may seem unreasonable to some, but it is just my way of taking a major shortcut... Noone will convince me there isn't life out there. But to say that I believe that some life other than that of earth, has visited Earth, I'd be lying...

...anyway

I hope aliens exist. That's pretty much all I have to say.

Oh, they do. A few people here are proof of that ...

why ? i believe aliens are the beast. they are dangerous i hope they are all dead.

Quite the contrary, I'm assuming nothing. Because there is no way for us to really know if the people who claim communication with ET are telling the truth, or that the government has this knowledge either. Neither of these groups has ever offered any irrefutable evidence that this is the case. I said, "noone knows for sure" because that is the only conclusion that can be arrived at logically. If you always assume that there is hidden knowledge to this or that question, then there's no way to assess any probability...period. This is why invoking conspiracy theory (when evidence is lacking) is such a popular choice for some people. Let's face it anything is possible...but what is actually probable?

ok lilly you got me stumped. I don't know how to answer this one. HELP!!!!!!

You're probably right... But saying "noone knows for sure" means that noone knows for sure... You just can't make that assumption, cause you don't know for sure...

That's a fair assessment when talking from a skeptical unknower’s perspective. But please be careful when using 'us' as a collective term. How do we (the forum) know who you’re speaking for? I had to make an assumption there.

Anyway, I can tell you precisely why you won’t have access to the evidence.

1 The people who have it will not let you see it.

2 The aliens themselves do not want you to see it.

This is considered common knowledge to the ‘believers’ and ‘knowers’.
From your perspective, If this is true, then you have taken more 'acts of faith’ than you can possibly realize. i.e you’ve assumed that if there was a race of intelligent aliens in contact with the earth then surely by now mainstream science would have had some sort of 'hard evidence'.
This obviously has not happened, why?

Invoking conspiracy again, I see.




There's an invisible elf that lives in my backyard. The government knows about these elves, and I've been in telepathic contact with the one in my backyard. Now, prove me wrong. Prove that these elves don't exist. What? You say you can't. You've made the assumption that because I can't prove his existence to you that he doesn't exist! Well, shame on you for making such an assumption!

Yes, I'm being sarcastic here. But, I'm certainly not the one making unfounded assumptions, or errors in logic.

'There are two distinct possibilities: either we are alone in the Universe, or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.' - Arthur C. Clarke

The cover up makes us all look silly; the status quo makes it so we are crazy for even discussing this. while the armed guards patrol at area 51, nellis, dulce etc...all protecting the truth from us. we pay them to keep us safe...not make us look foolish.

Honestly, aside from just up and believing those who say they've been in contact with aliens, I can't see how you can arrive at an answer that will satisfy you. Now, I neither believe, nor do I disbelieve in the idea of alien visitation. The choice seems to be that of faith verses suspension of judgement until there is more evidence available. Wish I could be of more help, but I don't have a *good* answer either!

here's my take on this so called issue

I think there's such thing as life else where. But the reason why we don't know for sure if there is. Is because the gov. as in the cia/nsa is covering it all up

And their doing it by the request of guess who that's who.

further more I think the gov. is hiding both future aircraft and ufo and alien evidence. Take area 51 for example. Well I think area 51 is hiding both of them things. The problem is when will they tell us what there hiding. As I'm sure we all know. The world can't wait forever for the truth.

That's just me though

3 It does not exist.

I wasn't misplacing the burden of proof upon you, I would just like to know your reasoning.
I mean, you go on about 'where's the evidence' enough times.

Not really, what I "go on about" isn't *where* the evidence is, but rather the *lack* of irrefutable sound evidence at all.

all the irrefutable evidence is hidden at a secret guarded base. the sign says shoot to kill.

I agree with what others have said here... that I think it'd be pretty silly to think that out of the entire universe we were the only form of intelligent life.

Do I think we've been visited? Yes, I do actually. I think it'd be pretty arrogant to say that just because we, humans, cannot fathom how deep space travel works, that it's not possible for an alien race to have visited us.

The evidence remains "refutable" because it cannot be produced.

Do you think that area 51 is the only place with a sign that says "shoot to kill?"
BTW, try to be accurate, that is the hallmark of scientifically valid." The signs don't say "Shoot to kill." They refer to the "Use of deadly force."

You guys make being a skeptic too easy.

excuse me my skeptical friend use of deadly force is so politically correct. they can have these secret bases and flaunt it in everyones face because of people like you.