Discrimination

I would like to see what others have to say using their veiws on what a bible (any holy book) discriminates against

IE - Homosexuality??

Women??

Color?

Other faiths??

And whatever else you can find.....just tell it how you see it your thoughts guys TY

Excellent thread Bec's ma On all the above the bible discriminates , matthew shepard would be alive today if it wasn't for the teachings of the bible.....


The Brown Law , the Civil rights movement, equal oppourtunity built into every work place woulld not have to have happened had the bible not advocated otherwise. don't even get me started on the bibles and the disdain advocated for women i was reading just last nite on here by a christian how its a 'sin' to worship mary the mother of christ as is done in the Catholic faith... context context context , and oh how the bible likes to insult the average mentality......

Great post Sheri (as always)

el gave an intresting point on how catholic look at Mary




and el's right..catholics dont WORSHIP Mary they love and respect her there's a difference......but the ignorant cant seem to get that through their heads...pitty though

Discrimination implies that someone is forcibly treated differently than others.

Every group of any kind has a code of agreement that it operates under.

If the agreement is not acceptable to a person than they should not join that group.

Example - Someone who thinks it is important to drill for more oil in Alaska should not join an ecology group that is against drilling in Alaska and then complain about the beliefs of the group.


Human history is filled with barabarism.
It is logically expected that literary works from more primitive times would contain a mix of both wisdom and the flawed aspects of the primitive culture in which it was produced.
However, it is the wisdom within the texts that helped to teach the civlizations so that they could evolve farther along out of barbarism.

Every generation has a tendency to think they know all there is to know and this one is no different in that regard. Modern civilization is fully capable of making critical mistakes in judgement because of its current culture, that are every bit as flawed and illogical as those cultures of the past made.

dis·crim·i·na·tion [ di skrìmmə náysh'n ]


noun

Definitions:

1. treating people differently through prejudice: unfair treatment of one person or group, usually because of prejudice about race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender

You know Bella that is a very weak arguement , If you don't like our philosophy don't join, come on is this your best????

this is the holier than though and righteous spirit, White supremacy is alive and well today do you know why blacks are discrimunated against by this group? Because the bible tells them too, on 'gods' word.

Religion is so subjective and i know the hard part is to be objective but in the event someone is being hurt becasue of the teachings of the bible wouldn't you care?? At least look at it, You happen to be one of the minoritys that are disciminated against, do you not see all people as your kind or do you buy in to the we are all seperate from each other ideas???? namaste sheri

I believe that freedom of association is an important right.

Discrimination against people of black African descent did not come from the bible.
Moses married a black woman and those who voiced racism against the marraige were punished.
A powerful Ethiopian in the new testement is shown to be one of the first wealthy Christian converts.

Bella are you aware that most people see every word every scrip as 100 per cent beleivable in what ever book they get their religious sustenance. the sacred sprips of those times are based in how man understood that which he couldn't see, he decided quite randomly that 'god ' has preferences he prefers you to be straight not gay, white not black male not female pious and obiediant there is posts every where on this forum that will back oup everyone of these statements, he prefers you deal with his son instead of him some religons don't pray directly to god. He prefers you have no other 'gods' before him Bella in your words what is the purpose of the bible? According to one christian God calls it a sin to congragulate a woman on giving birth even if it is his only son jesus???? A whole lot of effort goes into making sense of things that don't make sense. Namaste sheri

I believe I saw discrimination on homosexuality in the Book of Leviticus. I don't remember the scripture on the top of my head though. zandore might.

They had polygamy legal at that same exact time.

It is about inheritance and property rights and what that primitive culture thought was fair and right at that time.

I remember the people caught up in believing the Blair Witch Project was real.
I think there are always large groups influenced by the popular form of media of their time.
I do not think intellectuals of any time period had total faith in anything produced by man.

Yele here is a scrip.

Corinthians 6:9 (New International Version)


Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.

It seems Bella has perfected the art of Denial lol

the bible is Infallable and taught as such today, Namaste sheri

It is a historical and philosophilcal text on the evolution of law, civilization, and human relations which includes effects and changes by influences outside of mankind.
It can be used quite well on what is needed to form and maintain a sound foundation for a healthy and growing civilization, by seeing common mistakes and common triumps in logic and wisdom.

I do not see how I denied anything, since I am the one who first pointed out that it was all about inheritance in a primitive culture.

And no, the bible is not taught to be infallible everywhere among all Christians.
That is considered idol worship by many of them.

This is a quote from PA Clearly illustrating that the bible is Infallable... Bella here is one christian that does see the bble as Infalalble, he's not the only one bella i can dig up the rest if you want but this refutes your cllaim
I know it's not a proveable thing. I have my belief and that's enough for me. If it ever happens (I can't see that it will at the moment, but let's just say "if") that I come to the place where I do not see the Bible as truth, then my life outlook will change.
Again he states it again......

I believe the Bible is the word of God.

This is discrimination against anothers beleifs in PA's opiinion.......

^^Whether the BIble is true or not, that is a different argument to the one we are having now. We are talking of the Catholics, a Faith that professes to follow the teachings of the Bible. If you choose to believe in the Bible, then you must believe what it says. Since the Catholics go against it, yet claim to follow it, they are false, in my opininon.

this is PA's pride in the creator he beleives in and is enjoying that this is a God of such Awesome cruelty.....


The First Plague - the Nile is turned to blood. The River Nile is believed to represent the Egyptian god Hapi. Hapi was portrayed as a god with a beard like a man, but had female features and a pregnant stomach like a woman’s. The river Nile was the life of Egypt. It provided water and food in the form of fish for the Egyptians. Hence Hapi was seen as the god that kept Egypt alive by providing water and food. God here turns the Nile to blood. Hapi can no longer give life and food to Egypt. God here is proved more powerful than Hapi.

The second plague - God brings forth frogs from the Nile and plagues the whole country. They enter into Pharaoh’s palace, his bedroom, bed and also goes into the houses of his officials. The Egyptians regarded the frogs as a symbol of their goddess Hekkhet. Hekkhet was the god of childbirth. She was also the one that controlled the number of frogs in Egypt. This plague shows that God overpowered Hekkhet and that He controls the frogs and childbirth, and not Hekkhet.

The Third and Fourth Plague - The third and fourth plagues go together. The third plague is the plague of Gnats and the fourth is of flies. Both these plagues were flying plagues. The Egyptian god Khelprer was symbolised by a flying beetle. Here God shows that he controls the Gnats and flies, not Khelprer.

The Fifth Plague - The fifth plague was a plague upon the domesticated animals of Egypt. Ancient Egyptians viewed the domesticated bulls as the embodiment of the great Egyptian gods Ptah and Re. Numerous important female deities were also pictured as livestock animals. Isis, queen of the gods had cow’s horn on her head. The livestock animals provided necessities to the people in the form of food, milk, clothing, and transportation. But Yahweh destroyed these animals to show that he is more powerful then these gods.

THe Sixth Plague - In the sixth plague, boils affected the men and the animals. The Egyptian goddess Sekhmet was the deity of the plagues. She was responsible for epidemics in ancient Egypt but she also had the power to heal those who were visited by these pestilence as well. Well, Yahweh sends boils upon the men and the animals and no one can stop it. Not even the goddess Sekhmet. Yahweh is more powerful than Sekhmet.

The seventh Plague - God rains down hail from heaven of such a force that the Egyptians had never seen before. Here, the Egyptian gods Nut, Shu and Tefnut, all sky gods, were all powerless against God.

The Eighth and Ninth plague - The eighth plague of locusts ridiculed Senehem, the God of pests. And the ninth plague, the plague of darkness ridiculed Amon-Re, the Egyptian Sun god.

The tenth Plague - And what about the tenth plague. Well, the tenth plague was directed at Pharaoh himself. Pharaoh was seen as a god of Egypt. Pharaoh’s firstborn and all Egypt’s firstborn were killed in this plague. And it is with this mighty act that Pharaoh at last let’s Israel go free.

This tenth plague has special significance for Christians today. In this tenth plague, God passes over the houses of those that had the blood of a lamb stained over their doors. For those that did not have the blood stains over their doors, which would have been the Egyptians, all their firstborn died. This has special significance today because Jesus on the night that he was betrayed celebrated this event called The Passover. And when Jesus celebrated this event, he referred to his body and blood as a sacrifice for our sins. The blood of a lamb on the doors saved the Israelites, the blood of Jesus, who is also referred to as the lamb of God, saves those that put their trust in him.


This again shows PA's fascination with murdering and states that the god of his beleifs is just showing his glory making a name for himself He also has said on many posts this is loving behaivor in his opinion.....

"The ten plagues showed Yahweh’s awesome power. That he was more powerful than Pharaoh and all the Egyptian God’s put together. God showed his power and he does so to glorify his own name." Enjoy Regards, PA

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I suspect that was when Santorini exploded.
It was a well chosen time to remove the hebrews from Egypt I think.
Of course not all the hebrews left and some of the Egyptians took off with the ones who did, but it all worked out fairly well.

I'm sorry but what does homosexuality have to do with polygamy? In relation to what I said I mean. Because I missed your point.

Bella how does Santorini fit into the flow of this conversation, We are talking of disicrimination in various forms in the bible , granted you have interesting posts but Rekligon divides and discriminates it almost seems as if you could care less, , Religion is a big issue in humanity it would serve us to explore it, you can start a thread on your ideas of things, i'd even post but can you stick to the thread please.....Namaste Sheri

The Bible, or any "Bible"?

I learned a new word today:

Christophobia.

Directly related to the OP though, I was talking with a group back when I was in college that turned out to be Wiccan. I asked them what I needed to do to be Wiccan, as at the time it interested me, and was told that I would not be able to as I was not of Celtic origin. (I'm part Irish, and part Scottish... but am also part Spanish, Indian, and Mexican... so my pigment is... tan...) Right or Wrong, Good or Bad doesn't apply, it's *one* of my Wiccan experiences.

Then, there were the atheists that asked me "Do you believe in Jesus?" And when I answered in the affirmative, I found myself on the recieving end of a sound thumping. There was blood, but the only thing really damaged was my outlook on atheists. If it weren't for my dad and several posters on this forum I'd probably still have an unhealthy view of them.

Luckily we live and learn that there are stupid and evil people out there, not all are representatives of the belief they claim.

I do think that most crime/violence has non-religious origins. Good topic btw. Looking at the things that divide us, instead of uniting us, is imo very healthy.

celum I have to ask Have you not seen the killing and hatred and violence and cruelty thats gone on in the name of 'god" you don't see the oppression fear and dysfunction that has come out of the bible??? Or do you see it and buy into it???? This is the book of books the most sacred of sacreds, it is the biggest selling book of all time and followed to the letter every idea of violence cruelty discrimination every thought of division you guessed it has jumped from those pages??? How have you missed it??where did the idea of evil come from???Where did the idea of honmosexality being a sin come from???Where did the idea that you should have no other 'gods' before me come from??/ Why did 3000 people lose there lifes 9/11 what inspired that idea??? How about matthew shepard where did that idea come from???? The bible has been awesome at causing conflict and dysfunction I'll give it that but it has done precious little towards peace, Where did the idea come from that humanity has dominion over the earth and its inhabitants THE BIBLE.... geez isn't it time we start calling the kettle black when its black...... namaste Sheri

Hit the nail on the head, Sheri

TREATING people differently. That is discirmination. The Bible teaches to treat your neighbour as you would like to be treated. Therefore no discrimination. CHristians have their beliefs concerning gays (for example), but that is the belief only, and not a reflection on how a true Christian will treat them. Indeed, there are people who will use the Bible as an excuse to wage hateful war on various people's, but Love your neighbour as yourself. Gee, Sheri - that doesn't leave much room for hate. Our specific beliefs, and how we treat people are different kettle's of fish.

In my opinion of course.

Regards, PA

Oh brother give me a break another from the land of denial.........Namaste sheri

Indeed PA,

but treating people differently begins in thinking of people differently.

unforutunatly for our modern hetrogenious societies we are designed to identify differences.

there is a marked difference in the detatched academic debate,
and what people actually "do".

The difficulty is that our behaviours can easily not reflect our ideals,
without our even recognizing it.

i think our PA is officially Christian....... i oddly think of queen at this moment 'another one bites the dus"t namaste sheri lol

Thinking of PA and Queen I come up with the bohemian rhapsody, oddly enough.

either that or that fat bottomed girl song.....

I oddly think of We are the Champions

edit: fat bottomed women are great

As written by a freind of mine i felt it appropraite for the topic and well said i dedicate this to you PA........


for all we would need to do,
is dig deep into history,
when you loved your black neighbour,
by putting him to work under the whip.
or when you loved your female neighbour,
by ensuring "women bends to man",
or when you loved your gay neighbour,
by killing him to cure him,
or you loved your aboriginal neighbour,
by freeing him from his own culture...

it does seem love comes in many forms,
even if those receiving it would not call it love at all.

tough love, i think it was once called,
or "this hurts me more than it hurts you",
the key here being the hurt,
for it seems that a prerequisite to the love,
is the pain.

I totally agree. However, the Bible doesn't just say Love your neighbour. It says Love your neighbour as yourself. In other words, how you want to be treated, treat others.

Many people have used the Bible over the years to justify their evil acts. BUt that is not an indictment against the BIble, but against those who claim to propate what it says.

It is not up to me to judge them, but GOd will judge their actions one day. Love your neighbour as yourself, regardless of who they are.

Regards, PA

Beliefs are your behaviors Pa , the problem isn't the bible isn't interpreted correctly the problem is it is interpreted literally. You yourself discriminate, i read many posts that you bash the catholics i guess your interpreting the bible incorrectly, how about your feellings on the way children should be treated again also I suppose you are interpreeting that incorrectly becasue according to you the bible doesn't teach anything but love your neighbor, well I glad we have cleared this up. You are promoting that 'god' judges people where are you getting that from??? Are you hoping for that becasue there is no evidence of that its your perception on things why would 'god' need to judgeanyone???this is as a 'god who is loving and full of grace PA according to you... something is off here.... Namaste Sheri

oh dearest sheri,

i wonder where in the bigger picture,
of love thy neighbour as one love's theyself,
a religion that demeans and lowers oneself fits in.
for if your religion teaches you that you are worth nothing,
and you love yourself as nothing next to god,
then would not your love of your neighbour be a love of nothing?

yes, OMGosh I think you have hit upon a great point!!! as in the famous words of Zero Hyper you OWNED this.......Yahoo the bible teaches self discrimination .... good one Namaste sheri

I'm apart of that branch of faith where it USED to be considered a sin to worship Mary, and that dates long ago when one of the priests rode about Europe razing statues of Mary. However, times have changed, and our branch no long sees it as a sin to worship Mary... Although I admit, when I first found out about that, I asked my friend to take me to a Catholic Church when I turned 18 to become Catholic cuz at that point I didn't want to be part of "First Christian" anymore

DANG the carnage is everywhere....LOL ok where to start BM where to start hmmmm

AHA


Finish the sentence dearest PA come on...treating people differently.....ohh what the heck PA I'll be kind and help you out ahem.....Discrimination...= Treating people differently through PREJUDICE AHA see you christians tend to leave the rest of the meaning out LOL well hate to break it to you ALL as much as BM loves you...there is more to the meaning of lets sing along here D....I..S....C....R....I....M I....N....A....T..ION!!! dont forget the lil word PREJUDICE



OHHHHH you SOOOOOOO don't want me on your hide over this PA...QUIT while you are ahead sunshine you dont want to go down the ole how gays are discriminated in the bible...cuz gues what PA ...THEY ARE?? wanna rumble with BM over it? your choice..but you and I have been there done that...


BELLA stay on topic for the love of all things bright and beautiful..............stay on the topic at hand...


As Yel asked you I am going to ask you....what the heck has polygamy got to do with homosexuality???

Sheri PA along with others think catholics worship Mary.....but thats all it is thoughts....if they went to an actual catholic Sunday service...they would see NOT ONCE will they say a prayer to Mary...I never have when I went to church on a Sunday...I have never known the catholic service to do that....they do however say our lords prayer in mass....(Our Father who art in heaven.......) but not the hail mary nope!!! The hail Mary is a private prayer thats it and I explained how catholic look at mary as example but not some God......those that still claim this is ignorant (meaning catholic worship her as a god)



Sheri..you and I both know the land of denial will always be populated by christians


Why Thank you Hyper

You always say that, the problem isn't the Bible isn't interpreted corectly, the problem is it's interpreted literally. It's an interesting saying. It has a nice ring to it. However, I must disagree with it. There are certain passages that are taken literally that should not be, and there are passages that people take figuratively that they should take literally. Everything has a context, and literal interpretation is not the only interpretation. But that's just my opinion.

As for Catholics, I disagree with their beliefs, and I have stated time after time why I believe that to be the case. BUT I HAVE NEVER, REPEAT NEVER CONDEMNED OR JUDGED AN INDIVIDUAL FOR CHOOSING CATHOLICISM.

And treating children, are you talking about spanking? Really, Sheri, it is an acceptable punishment...... WHEN DONE CORRECTLY. When I was spanked as a child, I can tell you - it never hurt. The spanking was not for the purpose of inflicting pain. It was for the purpose of telling me that I'd done something wrong. Hitting a child to hurt them is wrong. But punishment is a part of growing up. I know you don't see it like that, but most people will say children need punishment (even if it's not of the physical spank - say, groundings, withdrawal of pocket money, etc).

Love your neighbour, Sheri. In the real world, Sheri, I do not speak as I do here. On this forum, it is the place to trade ideas and share beliefs and critique how we view other ideologies. In the real world, people are people, and are treated as such, regardless of who they are or what they do.

Regards, PA

I got both beaten and spanked....the beatings did scare me for life emotionally but the spankings didn't...they did me no harm....but everyone has different ways of showing a child discipline...Sheri happens to be a very fortunate mom...she has never hadt to chastise her boys, I say good for her...hope I am as lucky with my girl...if not well disicpline will be in order

PA i know you think there is a " right way ' to spank your child and a part of growing up but you model the behavior you want our child to have, you teach them by your example, you teach them that hitting is the way to sove conflict , remember context context context, or you teach them that pain is love (where is that idea coming from PA) God whos loves you who is so full of grace punishes you too show that?? that is a dysfunctional teaching, we have been around and around on the disussion pa and even Hyper who is trained in the area has tried to tell you. Bec's ma its not luck that my boys are great loving kind people its good parenting skills, its the willingness to learn and understand the growth of a child and its understanding that what you model will be who they become , why make it harder for them give them tools that will only impeede their journey. if indeed we should treat others the way we would want to be treated i don't think we would ask someone to hit or spank us when we make mistakes, mistakes are how we learn, nothing teaches hatred and disdain for authority like a good spank ask any kid who has been slapped........Namaste sheri

I said you where lucky Sheri because not every parent has great kids like that...I didn't mean anything by that....
Sheri I was taught right from wrong...I was taught that education was important.....I was taught to respect my elders ect I was shown love but I still for some mad reason disobeyed my parents...even though I was surrounded by love....thing is that soon stopped and I got the beatings...do I agree I should have been beaten? hell no...what about the times when I was just spanked? well it did me no harm...in fact I bucked up my ideas ...I stoped being so darn cockey and smart mouthed to teachers and I never gave the neighbours something to moan about...I just didn't want spanked again...because when I got spanked it was in front of my friends....but when I was beaten it wasnt....so the humilation of the spanking was enough to make me STOP

Every kid is different...every parent has different ways to chastise.I wont go hitting my child..I will treat my lil girl the same ways you have treated your boys Sheri...and I will see for myself what the out come is

FOLKS.. listen up we have to understand that every one of us are different and have been brought up differently...there are ways to bring kids up...I say go with what ever works out for the best...........this does not mean you don't love your kid/kids

heartfelt post Bec's ma, Few try another way, they figure if it was good enough for me its good enough for my kid, few put in time to really explore what they have been taught let alone try and change it, Bec do you think my kids don't have smart mouths or test us as parents of course they do they all do , a smart mouth kid may be the next martin luther king , the kid that doesn't go with the flow may be the next cure for cancer. etc etc.. as a parent you channel the energy constructively, there is always a way, of course i make mistakes along the way but I learn form them, thats what they are for, Too often as parents we see our kids as a reflection iof ourselves instead of the individuals they are. As parents we are to guide them towards adulthood , most people treat there pets better then there own kids, this mentality that my kid has got to tow the mark or else is adding to problem, not creating a peace full loving kid. KIDS BECOME THE BEHAVIOR THAT WE MODEL. Well i have made my point lol namaste sheri

And a good point it is Sheri....you are right...as parent we do tend to see our kids as reflections of ourselves and we should see them as the individuals as they are....fair point

BM I have to side with Bella on this and if you give it thought you might also.

Polygamy.....a husband having more that one wife but where in the Bible does a woman have more than one husband at the same time?
Is that not a form of discrimination in the Bible based on sex?

Zannie i don't beleive that bella (I could be off) was on the side of discrimination in the bible , did you read all her posts??? But i will say that is an excellent example of discrimination even one I hadn't thought of. I guess we should thank our bella after all Namaste Sheri

Thank you for your reply BM. Most enlightening. I feel I know you a little better from that post. I highlighted just this part for you. I totally agree. Though I never was spanked in front of my friends, it is still a humiliating experience - pull down your pants and get one.

I totally agree. Beating a child is wrong. That has nothing to do with trying to get the kid to learn, but everything to do with the insecurities of the parent (in my opinion, of course).

I think punishment needs to be a part of a child's life, and before Sheri goes blasting me for this statement, read on, please. I don't mean just physical punishment (spanking). Groundings is a form of punishment also. Extra chores is a punishment also.

I'm not trying to tell you how to parent, Sheri. Kudos to you that you have the skills you have. I'm just saying it's not as clear cut as you think. You say, Sheri that hyper, who's trained in this has tried to tell me also. My brother is also trained in this (you don't know him, but he's a PhD Psych student, graduated 1st class honours). Remember me telling you that he said opinion is divided on the matter straight down the middle. He also went further than Hyper, he said that he is not a child psychologist, therefore he refused to give me his own opinion, only said that opinion is divided. Is hyper a child psychologist?

Just a few thoughts.

Regards, PA

Polygamy was cultural. And while done, not endorsed. Abraham tried to have a child through his maid, instead of trusting God to get Sarai pregnant. Then Abraham is cruel to the maid and to the child. These are also in the BIble. Yet it is clear that Abraham's actions were wrong in God's eyes. Just because polygamy was culturallly acceptable back in the day, that is not to say that it is endorsed in the Bible.

Furthermore, the New Testament says be the husband to just one wife!

Regards, PA

As in regards to the Christian Bible it is my perspective that there was total discrimination in regards to women, poor people (slaves), ethnic background, and other faiths.

The old testament God tells people to kill non-believers? HUH?
Women are conquests of child vessels? HUH?
Slaves are widely traded and sold and bought? HUH?
And of course we know what homosexuality has endured.

One of the story that seems quite discriminatory in nature is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. God is about to destroy the evil cities in chapter 18 of Genesis.
God sends two angels to warn one supposed Godly family. The locals demand that Lot release the two angels so that the local men can have s@x with them. Instead what does he do? He offers his two virgin daughters for the men to rape. NICE.

Than of course the two daughters who were supposedly virgins earlier than get their father drunk and have s@x with him? I don't get it. Perhpas after they did that the fact that their father offered them up for rape wouldn't be so bad. I don't know just thinking aloud.

He comes with high credentials our Hyper. I can be certain if he is saying its crediible Not to mention the fact I have many psychologist freinds one happens to be a child psycholgist works with abused kids and my neighbor is also a physchologist if not more so, One doesn't need to have a psych degree to know that hitting will make a dysfunctional person to some degree, I have 22 years as amother i consider myself a expert on the raising of children (not to mention the laws are in favor of violence free enviorments for a child now and in California you can no longer hit a women its a instant 6 months in jail. ) Guess what i say its about damn time..... If you hit your child they will be removed or you will be taking all kinds of parenting classes and seeing a therapist., Florida has a law that you can't scream at your kids, maybe austrailia hasn't caught up yet .
In this case i am trying to help you have your religous beleifs but advocating violence to children in any form is not okay PA. there isn't a right way to hurt a child that is false.....Namaste sheri

-sigh-

I've been gone for a few days, came back hoping to see some good debates, but yet I come back to more bible bashing. I might stop being a Christian just so you guys can't attack my beliefs anymore. You guys talk about all the negatives of religion, specifically Christianity, but you forget to take a step back and look at what you yourself are saying about someone else's beliefs.






Well, I don't see how the bible teaches you that you are nothing. Please provide a bit of proof. And please, no scriptures you twist to seem like it says this.

zero try luke 19:17 that ought to keep it easy......

And your point is?

Thanks for the reply Sheri. Somehow I knew you'd ignore the part about non-physical punishments, but thanks anyway.

In AUstralia, there are laws about abusing children. There are not laws about spanking children however.

And as I said, I can tell you as fact that opinion on spanking children is divided right down the middle. FOr every person you get to claim spanking is harmful, there's one who can stand up and say it is not.

I know you have your personal experience, and I'm not disputing that. But (and this is going to seem weird because it's usually you telling me this - though the context is different) is your way the only right way? What if another way works better for someone else?

Just a thought.

Regards, PA

I was about to say the same thing.

Welcome back, btw. I was going to send you a PM, checking how you were. Haven't seen you around here lately.

Regards, PA

There was a poll I believe on spanking children. The majority of Americans agree that there is nothing wrong with spanking. Now, if this is true, then it would be probably these people were also spanked as children, or were brought up around it. That means the majority of americans were spanked as kids, and in order to prove it has horrible effects, you'd have to prove that the majority of americans have mental problems or something wrong with them due to being spanked. Google it. I think I found the information via google.


There is no one way of parenting. Spanking is a nessessity in some cases. Wether you like that or not, this is what I believe. I know many kids you can not, and will not get to obey you via talking to them or trying to bribe them out of it.