What if a large number of people place together a large sum of money to hire an individual of sufficient skill and knowledge to break perimeter and sneak onto Area 51 and the S4 compound and snap a few shots? Obviously it would have to be someone highly trained, no doubt ex-military and mabey a little crazy, but how hard can it really be? I have snuck onto military bases before!

these bases have motion/thermal detectors dont they....hard to get by that

If in fact something of interest was being kept at Area 51, don't you think one of the USA's adversaries, e.g. Iraq, former USSR or a random conglomerate of anti-American countries would be able to supply this "individual" with sufficient funds to do such as thing?

I sincerely believe that it is impossible to keep a secret from the public for a long period of time. A long period of time to my definition being more than 30 years.

Given that, in my opinion, it is yet impossible to break into, or it has already been done and there is absolutely nothing there worth mentioning.

Come to think, if there was nothing there worth mentioning, that alone would already be worth mentioning.

So, to sum it up, I think it cannot be done.

Then one of us has to become president.

as well as what seeking said, they also have pressure sensors on the ground, and when one of these sensors is tripped they will have camo dudes and a helicopter some times on your a** pretty quick. On top of all these security measures, they have a barbed wire fence, and i sure if you get cloe enough you will be spoted bu survalence camras, and their is really nothing to see on the surface of area 51, accept for the odd top secret government plane taking off and landing durring the night hours

If someone wanted to badly enough, they could do it. No doubt, they would be caught. But, if you use live feed cameras, and use some type of diversion tactics, you could at least get to the inner perimeters. If there is anything there, it would likely be underground. You would have to have in excess of 100 people, to be so many that a possible few, would get through. You would need the live feed cameras so that you could actually obtain some kind of evidence of something, without it being taken. They obviously would/could do several things. Shoot as many people as possible, and this could work against them, because of the live feed. I am sure many people would be outraged if several people were shot, for being nosy, trying to get a look at anything that our tax dollars pay for. You know, being that this is a free government and all.

Then, they can actually take everyone, do whatever they like, again, because of the live feed, it would be hard to get every camera before one of them gets proof that something went bad. You would have to have a team of people, with various fields of expertise. Hackers being one of the most important.

It is funny to me, how many people feel as though the gov't has right to simply put up a sign, and claim that they can shoot you on sight, when If any one of us was to do that, and we shot someone because they were peering in our windows, we would have a lot to explain. It works though, because to date, there hasn't been any group of people that have attempted to pull off a 'break in'. It could be done. People are just afraid. And, not very organized.



Reese


(By the way, the more unknown bases are way more intriguing, and have way more to hide)

And, this only works if they don't have disruption Satellites, and antennas. You can forget about anything working it they have those, and they likely do. Unless, the Hacker could somehow tweak it. Again, that just reaffirms what I had said before. It would take a team of people, not just some jungle military type. People that were experts, each in one certain field. There are ways, if people wanted it badly enough. To be honest, it is just something that people talk about, they don't actually care what goes on. I believe they want to keep it a secret, it just seems more interesting that way.



Reese

I tend to agree a little with reese but add a few points, it would also be nessacary to have a man on the "inside", just think of all those locked doors needing keycards, as for hacker you can bet the got that places cyber secuirty tighter than a ducks *ss, and not forgetting of course the motion sensors that are hiding in the hills, the helicopters that sweep the perimeter when ever someone approaches, and i don't think they would be to worried about shooting civis, they are within their legal bounds to do this. Seeing as breaking and entering is a crime let alone on military property, and also counts as terrorism. and besides i heard a rumor they moved everything to colorado springs (being a conspricay theorist buff i like to keep on top of things). and yes breaking into unknown bases are alot more fun and easier for example: CCC (dubbed corsham computer centre) near rudloe manor wilts UK, just a small road (with a tiny sign saying ccc) leads towards this underground facility, with a tiny door in a concrete wall set in a hill side. Guarded by ONE man. although should you be spotted spooks arrive in a nice little black car and interrogate you on the spot......but the point is the unknowns are unknown so why need to guard them it makes them a easier target however.

Oh yeah, you would need people on every possible level, for every possible situation. And, to date, this has never been attempted. It could be done, but you jst may lose your life doing so.


Reese

If you paid for everything I'd volunteer. But you would need to supply some bullet proof armor.

So, thus far we've identified the need for

- someone highly trained, no doubt ex-military and mabey a little crazy
- 100+ footsoldiers
- a man on the inside, with keycards and cyber-security clearance
- a hacker to deal with "disruption satellites"
- a fair bit of high tech video equipment

Sounds simple enough!

I'm not sure whether I fit the bill for any of the above roles, but I'll happily make up some sandwiches and I can give four of you a lift home afterwards. Let me know...

I could also give somebody a 'backy' home on my bike, as long as it's not uphill.

SB, that is too funny. And, Aslan, nothing like a good workout.... hehe




Reese

even if you had around 100 foot soldirs it would be suicide they have far more men stationed their and they could just sit in their buildings picking off guys who aproach the base.

Im pretty light, so I should imagine riding up hill on a bike with me on the back would be easy.

If no one else offers to do the job, I will.

I should imagine some things are there, otherwise why would they even bother with it?

I blame Metal Gear Solid.

What we need is unity and a huge diversion. We gather everyone on the forums and have them split into two groups. The first run naked around the perimeter fence, just to make sure all the imaging, and photographic equipment is pointing at them. Then the rest (in our stylish black get ups) crawl around on our bellies (not to much, because it’s impossible to remove ground in dirt from black crushed velvet) and sneak into the compound. Then we all split up. Those who believe they are hackers (literally anyone that’s touched a keyboard) get into the computer section and shut down any of the defences we have missed. Then we ransack the place (having confidence in our fellows outside who are still dancing the Spanish flamenco, stark naked). And we gather all the evidence we need to expose the Groom Lake/Area 51/Area S4/ Dreamland, whatever you want to call it, and shut it down. Possibly a few of us that have clocked up 100 hours on PC games can pinch a few space crafts (which have popped into Area 51 for there 12 billion serve, and change of oil) they have lying around, and bundle everyone aboard and then get away. All the evidence we gather can then be put in newspapers, so that the next generations of Forum readers can download and have something to chat about. While we are lost somewhere in the Gamma Quadrant, because some fool hit the Warp Switch, instead of the landing gear!

So below is the badge (I got after considerable effort!) Scan it and meet me at the designated meeting point… By the Black Post Box!

is it just me, or do people seem to know an awful lot about area 51?

kryso, have you played xenogears?

Not that I know of! But I could have had my memory altered during my last abduction? They always seem to leave the horrible, boring bits in and take the interesting stuff.
Of course my therapist say’s it’s all in my mind, but I know she’s on they’re payroll!

ILL DO IT! Im no ex-milatary officer but at least im crazy! Ive been to area 51 (not too far inside the grounds OBVIOUSLY!) but i got told to piss of basically or i would experience further interrigation! I got some pics....also if anyone knows where this CCC is i'd like to go and check it out! Anyone in??

well you never know if anybody has gone to area 51, they wouldnt announce it, and they are either in solitary confinement or dead, just because you havent heard it doesnt mean it hasnt happened, i believe area 51 is a sort of decoy, like make everybody look over here and we are over there...because everyone knows of area 51, and the thing is, i probably dont want to know some of the things going on in there is there is things like that, they would be too shocking and cause riots and totally chaos, better left a secret, its better that way, if you want to know, join the military and serve them good so maybe you can get high classified info

oh and btw, this is my first post

Oh i think theres loadsa places! Not just area 51 but others dotted around not just in america the whole worlds in on it! and were left to find out!

area 51 isnt anything but a air base! the gov. wants you to wonder and explore area 51 b/c there is a real base right in front of your nose. the gov. wouldnt want people to know about the real base so they plant one in the middle of nowhere so you will be blinded. people want to know the truth so they will be equal to the government they will look at the first thing they think might help

They have pressure sensors that can tell if it is a human or not... SOOOOOO.... lets get a rabbit.. train it.. and strap on a camera!!!

What ya think???

There is one other thing... and I'm not sure if it has been mentioned. But the Government is actually smarter than we give them credit for...

First: Did you know that they have at least one person reading everyone of our posts to see if we know something we shouldn't?

Second: Area 51 is burned. They know it. So what do you do? You keep the public's interest and attention stuck to Area 51 and you make another base somewhere that no one has heard of.

Yes, there is still stuff at area 51... but only enough to keep fools like us interested and our attention off the real area.

After much searching and investigation I have found that place. It has taken lots of time and effort. That place is... just a second, someone is knocking at my door.

i agree with alienmojo about the area 51 base they want us to be interested in it

we all know this.....but also there isnt one person reading everyone of our posts to see if we know something we shouldnt....i seriously doubt it! Do you know many forums and members like this on the net there is! I hardly think they have the time! Although i agree the gov. is a lot smarter than a lot of people think!

I'm the guy the government had reading the posts, but unfortunately after reading so much nonsense, I just don't care anymore.

why not make a remote control plane or car with a camera on it:) and long lasting batteries and a super long range radio control:)

or perhaps tunnel into Area 51...

because we dont have a complete map of the base so we could dig into some where we dont want to be

I thought area 51 was shut down. What the big deal about a closed base? I used to live on one because the housing was still being used. Nothing but age old dust and spiderwebs in the old hangars.
Didnt see any . I wished I had seen a . If I did see a , I would be writing books about .
* gasp* ...maybe the spiderwebs were of construction!!!

................................Or a harrier jump jet and lots of missiles

OK we cant fly over area 51 b/c they will shoot us down the same with a remote control plane they will just shoot them down and i think they would notice a rabbit with a camera on its back and a tunnel A TUNNEL you cant do a tunnel you would have to do proper ventalation threw it and you would have to start like a few miles away and what would you do if it caved in? DIE DIE DIE and i dont think that would be to fun!

Unless people from area 51 found you and made you a cyborg and you became like a solder for them that couldnt ever die well, again

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Oh.. that's a good idea!!

Okay.... you guys are all nutters..

*Looks at the area she's in.* I'm in. Anyone of you from the UK wanna pick me up on the way over to Nevada. I'll bring my killer attack cats.

wait... Second thought.... I need to work on their programming, since all they seem to know how to kill is time.

Area 51 is really not a base, but just an auxillary airfield of the Nellis complex. There are actaully a couple of them, Groom lake just happens to be the most developed because of the work being done there.

Nevada is a good place to test new weapons systems becuase no one really wnats to live out there. Not only does that afford the government privacy, but also keeps them clear of noise ordinances or other limits to how they perform thier mission.

You can fly close enough to Groom Lake as to be able to see the base with a fairly high level of clarity. I saw pictures on the web. I also think it would be quite unlikely that anyone would be shot down for violating restricted airspace. You may get in trouble, but not "getting shot down" kind of trouble.

If one were to break on to Groom Lake, you would probably find out that it's really not as exciting as the legend that surrounds it. There are plenty of research facilities in this country, and for the most part the research being conducted is pretty boring to everyone but those researchers directly involved.

Area 51 can easily be penetrated.
Assuming you're willing to take the chance you won't make it out alive.

Just drive top speed in a hummer or armored vehicle across the base and through a hangar door.

What exactly would you make public? That the government is testing secret aircraft in the Nellis complex? We already know that. I know that some people beleive that Aliens or something are being stored there, and I think that's just silly. There are quite a few people who work or have worked out there, and none of them have said anything that would suggest aliens. DoD employees, including military and civillian personnel often have to sign confedentiality agreements, even when the technology involved really isn't that new. If there were UFO's or aliens, I don't think it could be kept secret for long. At some point academia would inevitably become involved, and there aren't a lot of academics in the military. Someone would end up sharing with a colleague.

Area 51 is a neat story, but little more.

ahh the skeptics are coming out...i know i may be known as resident skeptic on this forum...but area 51 is something i take very seriously. Something happens there...the amount of security around the groom lake area is too high for just regular technological advancing testing. Why would they set up a perimiter? and if you cross any part of that perimiter you are able to be prosecuted? (mind you, this permiter is about a mile around each side.) Why armed guards driving the area around groom lake? Why not just at the gate? Why are Presidents and other high ranking officials so afraid to tell us what happens there? if its simple technological testing...why don't they say so? Most of the time they say "there is no area 51" or "i can't speak on that matter"...just seems fishy to me

I think the main reason they have such high security is simply.....they can if they want to. Think about it, military personel r nothing but power hungry. If I had an army backing me up I would have security on every base I had. Even if for no reason. Just the same as for my team I have on my forums. we have a team based effort going. And we can not be letting everyone checking our WIP work out cause our mod aint released yet. So only the team can see it. same as with any forums. its all security. something you should not see. unless you r part of it.
I mean, you r going to see it eventually, right? So same goes for them. Its nothign big just something special we r working on. or maybe they r just having crazy orgies every night along with the president and they want no one to know about it...lol. Area 51 AKA Vivid Video....heh