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chunga
QUOTE(Rykster @ Feb 23 2006, 06:41 AM) [snapback]1075049[/snapback]

Chunga, I just want to ask you, have you read Lilly's links?
No insult intended, just a Q.


All info pertaining to Mr. Lazar has and is being updated continualy. I started my interest in him when it first broke years agO. Iam an old lady and back then it was very interesting to me. I have much info on him , too much. The opinions of specialists and other's like Mr. Friedman whom I admire greatly yet feel he is off the mark here, I always make available to my decisions regarding Lazar. I took everything I could find, heard countless interviews of him when it first started he was everywhere. I listened and taped it all. I know that he was never caught contradicting his story and is the real deal.

I have interviews with others who mention Lazar in their own stories and put it all together into a believeable and credible theory. I dont decided something from a fluffly forum chat.
I laugh at this sometimes at the niavity of opinion and know there is a mountain of evidence no one on this forum knows about. Ha.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 23 2006, 10:02 AM) [snapback]1075103[/snapback]

All info pertaining to Mr. Lazar has and is being updated continualy. I started my interest in him when it first broke years agO. Iam an old lady and back then it was very interesting to me. I have much info on him , too much. The opinions of specialists and other's like Mr. Friedman whom I admire greatly yet feel he is off the mark here, I always make available to my decisions regarding Lazar. I took everything I could find, heard countless interviews of him when it first started he was everywhere. I listened and taped it all. I know that he was never caught contradicting his story and is the real deal.

I have interviews with others who mention Lazar in their own stories and put it all together into a believeable and credible theory. I dont decided something from a fluffly forum chat.
I laugh at this sometimes at the niavity of opinion and know there is a mountain of evidence no one on this forum knows about. Ha.


Chunga, whether you agree with the people here or not, it doesn't matter. It seems you have done your research on him, and know enough to make your own decision as to whether to believe him or not. I admire that you followed this case for a while, and I also admire you standing up for what you believe to be truth. It's not easy to do, and you just made it up the ranks in my book. You don't need to agree with me, but you do need to show "self", and you have done that, good posts... thumbsup.gif
Rykster
Chunga, I will not take you seriously until you stop ending your quotes with statements such as "Ha."
If you believe in Lazar, then so be it. But as far as I can see, he has no credibility, esp from the world of physics from where he claims to tout his theories.
I would like to be visited by an alien, I really would, but thus far, there is nothing to tell me that I should hold my breath in anticipation.
chunga
QUOTE(Mind_Freak @ Feb 23 2006, 07:12 AM) [snapback]1075119[/snapback]

Chunga, whether you agree with the people here or not, it doesn't matter. It seems you have done your research on him, and know enough to make your own decision as to whether to believe him or not. I admire that you followed this case for a while, and I also admire you standing up for what you believe to be truth. It's not easy to do, and you just made it up the ranks in my book. You don't need to agree with me, but you do need to show "self", and you have done that, good posts... thumbsup.gif


Much gratitude for your ability to disagree without hostility or pettiness.
You once said " I dont truly believe, I HOPE". This is wonderful.
Thanks for the encouraging words. I will put them to good use.
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Lilly
QUOTE(Prophecy Guru @ Feb 23 2006, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1074309[/snapback]

You guys aren't getting the point. Even if he worked at Area 51, which he very well may have for all I know, he just flat out lacks the qualification to be included in such an investigation. He isn't educated in physics and chemistry and I am not talking from direct documental reviews of his educational background, I am talking about the fact that his explanations for the "physics" behind the propulsion he supposedly worked on make absolutely no sense whatsoever. He clearly lacks understanding of physics therefor proving that he is lying about his theory of propulsion. I just don't know any other way to say it.



Well, I think you're saying it quite clearly, and your point is well made. I don't particularly care who tells what story, the fact remains that Mr. Lazar's *creative * physics are simply a bunch of nonsense.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(Lilly @ Feb 23 2006, 01:37 PM) [snapback]1075401[/snapback]

Well, I think you're saying it quite clearly, and your point is well made. I don't particularly care who tells what story, the fact remains that Mr. Lazar's *creative * physics are simply a bunch of nonsense.

Yup, that's the buzzkill...
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 23 2006, 12:10 PM) [snapback]1075290[/snapback]

Much gratitude for your ability to disagree without hostility or pettiness.
You once said " I dont truly believe, I HOPE". This is wonderful.
Thanks for the encouraging words. I will put them to good use.
yes.gif

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I'm not here to make everybody else agree with me. If they do, it's a bonus. I just like hearing what people have to say, and see how they corelate to my ideas. I don't like putting my ideas out in the open, because they are very complex, and I get overwhelmed trying to say everything I'm thinking at once... Plus if I spoke my mind the whole time, you would think I had a split personality disorder laugh.gif ... I'd love to put everything I've ever thought out in the open, but sometimes my ideas might seem scattered all over the place, so I usually keep it simple...

Glad to see we're on the same page (in one way or another)... yes.gif
Master Sage
Lazar... he gets my rating of Hoax!
Rykster
QUOTE(Master Sage @ Feb 23 2006, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1075782[/snapback]

Lazar... he gets my rating of Hoax!
Hoax-Liar=Loser!
My opinion.
Cinders
QUOTE(Rykster @ Feb 23 2006, 07:16 AM) [snapback]1075124[/snapback]

I would like to be visited by an alien, I really would, but thus far, there is nothing to tell me that I should hold my breath in anticipation.


I hope you are not in a terribly bad mood today....but hey, are you serious about this above statement? If so, you might check out this PDF article I accidently stumbled onto this a couple days ago - it's called:

" HOW TO BE ABDUCTED BY ALIENS - The truth isn't out there, it's in here. Watch the skies. Keep looking."

http://www.kevinbraddock.com/media/Abducted.pdf

Seeing / watching UFO's is enough for me. And if an alien or two is cruising around in some of those out there, I certainly hope he does not stop by my way. laugh.gif
Rykster
In all seriosness, I am an unbeliever. Just that. I wish there were more, but there is not.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(Rykster @ Feb 23 2006, 07:05 PM) [snapback]1076027[/snapback]

In all seriosness, I am an unbeliever. Just that. I wish there were more, but there is not.

For you, maybe...??
NoTC
QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 21 2006, 07:04 PM) [snapback]1072702[/snapback]

No need to take a look at anything. I have heard and seen live interviews with the man himself and Mr. John Lear. That is enough for me. There is more to believing what someone is saying than physics methods. Its influction of voice, eye postering and just a basic mannerism credibility.To see or hear him or Lear speak on the subject is to believe. Plus I have the interview with the African General to back it all up. Do what you want, who cares, I know he's telling the truth. grin2.gif


But when someone says something, and it can be proven wrong, or unintelligable, then it's obvious it's a hoax.


QUOTE(Orion437 @ Feb 22 2006, 05:56 AM) [snapback]1073307[/snapback]

If he is a desinformation agent, i dont know what kind of desinformation is he doing.

He is telling that the gov. has ufos, aliens, etc. Does it appear like desinfo to you? Not to me..

I dont know if he is telling the truth...


I agree. There are tons of possibilities, you just have to break each one down with logic. Even still the feasibilities can go in both directions.


QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 22 2006, 09:03 AM) [snapback]1073433[/snapback]

Well, when it comes to the specific duties of Hooker's , you'd be the one to know.


Great way to make a point.


QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 22 2006, 09:26 AM) [snapback]1073469[/snapback]

ill tell you one thing about Lazar's story i would love to be true and available to the public

what i would consider the greatest book ever written

Lazar said he was in a break room i believe, and he came across a book

he said it was like an encyclopedia of the universe

i would love to flip through that

dont know that it exists, but man would it be great


Agreed. It would be great to know if this kind of information existed.


QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 22 2006, 11:23 AM) [snapback]1073600[/snapback]

You brought up the duties of hookers and the word brothel now. Who are you trying to kid? You write disgusting stuff on all the different threads. yes.gif yes.gif

Regarding the legal mishaps in Mr. Lazar's life, Framed he was. By who? Who do you think?


Lazar wasn't framed. I lived in Vegas for 8 years. There's plenty of hookers around, and Lazar isn't exactly the smooth pimp conspiracy theorists would like to believe. I think of Bob being more along the lines of the D&D playing type... and would HAVE to pay for it.


QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 22 2006, 12:05 PM) [snapback]1073648[/snapback]

I specificaly left in all of et's daddys post to demonstrate my question you nimrod!!
Stop with the harrasment, If the mod's have spoken to you regarding your posting then follow their advise and dont cramm it down the throats of other poster's. I will post and
quote the way I feel is best for me and so will everyone on this forum. Shhhhhhhh!!! sleepy.gif


If you don't have anything to contribute, then please stop posting.


QUOTE(Lilly @ Feb 22 2006, 05:07 PM) [snapback]1074116[/snapback]

By the time I finished reading the whole sha-bang, I was thinking, 'con man' would be an appropriate title for Mr. Lazar.


Agreed. I read everything in depth over the past couple of years. There's a LOT to read. People say that he's kept his story straight. If Bob is good at anything, it's acting. You can sit and watch a movie and the actors do such a great job they make it believable. Case in point, many actors are hated because of certain roles they've played in films. They are sometimes viewed by the public as the characters they play, when in reality, they could be the complete opposite.


QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 22 2006, 08:16 PM) [snapback]1074377[/snapback]

Are you really trying to get us to believe that the US Gov only employs qualified personnel
for the said job? Ha!! Get real.
You people are not taking the info from the horses mouth. Art Bell and the Coast to Coastam team have interviewed this man 4 times since the story broke. Listen on Streamlink for yourself and then decide. Why are you relying on opinions of others in their reports for your decision making? Also, I almost have the full transcript of the African General and his coaboration of Mr. Lazar's info. Plus the transcript and audio of the interview where he saw a photo of the same ship that he saw at Area 51.
The believing is in the man himself, his words, attitude everything you need to know is in him. Not some unknown engineer being paid off for his opinion. Yet I dont think any of you have taken the precious moments to listen to exactly what it is he claims to have or have not done.

Cinders, God bless you hun, you are a tryer, God loves tryer's and so do I.
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If you believe the US Government would be so naive as to hire someone without an extensive background or knowledge of such technologies, let alone something so secure that God Himself wouldn't be able to get into the program, then something is wrong. You can go ahead and say that the President of the US isn't the most intelligent person in the world, but you have to remember that he isn't in a position where TECHNICAL expertise is required, especially in the area of physics, which Bob Lazar has been proven to lack. You talk about believing him for his words... What about Bill Clinton. That guy could murder 3 dozen people on live national television, and still be able to talk his way out of it.

Plainly stated, some people just know how to talk. It's a key to a good story. Know how to send your message, add some twists and turns, get people INTERESTED. Once they're interested, you can add in things here and there that keep the interest of the readers. The KEY is to continuously throw in something unheard of before, such as the classic Element 115. Theoretically speaking, elements can be "made" up by adding protons and electrons. I could say that there is a probability that an Element 116 could possibly be made to exist. Sooner or later the technology will become available to create it. Bob does a good job of coming up with these possibilities, but does little in giving a clear and concise explanation of whatever it is he claimed to have worked on.

The majority of what he talks about isn't in the vocabulary of the average person. People who have zero understanding of this get sucked in because he SOUNDS like he's extremely intelligent and scientific. He's probably done some studying with physics, but his understanding of it isn't there. He makes wild claims that sound almost reasonable because the average listener is made to believe he knows more than he really does. Classic.

By the way, another hole in Bob Lazar's story.... security clearance levels aren't levels at all. Once you get into Top Secret, then you get into SCI, basically, compartmentalization. It's completely lateral. There are different programs, each in it's own little section. No compartment is above another.
Unlimited
QUOTE(Rykster @ Feb 24 2006, 12:05 AM) [snapback]1076027[/snapback]

In all seriosness, I am an unbeliever. Just that. I wish there were more, but there is not.
what do you believe in nothing? why do you come into a ufo forum if you dont believe in any of it? im just curious? ph34r.gif
Obi Wan Kenobi
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Feb 22 2006, 11:06 PM) [snapback]1074514[/snapback]

Billy Meier; a goddamn liar
Bob Lazer; truly bizarre.

Well, I gotta side with Stanton Friedman concerning lazar’s physics. It always stuck me as pseudo science at best. “Look everyone ‘element 115’, go check on your periodic table at home, there isn’t 115, see I’m telling the truth and I know science.”

Lazar passed two polygraph lie detectors but also failed two. I saw a video of him taking one of these tests and boy, did he look like a man trying to fool the machine.

However, he is consistent in recalling his account. I mean, to make up a story like this? Where would you start? If anyone tried it I’m sure he/she would be found out in days. He does appear to have insider info. Maybe that was obtained purely by his sub contractor job?
I still think there’s a chance he was there. Hell, maybe he BS’d his way into area 51. I mean let’s face it he’s fooled enough people already. I do believe he was with john Lear watching UfOs over Area 51. Sounds plausible enough.
He could be part of an ‘information release program’. I’m not sure if this is just a cop out though.
But allegedly, ‘This is how the government releases information of this nature; by releasing it through unreliable sources or by putting obvious flaws in documents. Just enough so it can’t be proven to be authentic’

Do I know he was at Area? No.
Do I believe he worked inside Area 51? Not really
What does my intuition say? He’s full of BS but he was there.
Lol my intuition has been known to have its off days.


Lie detector tests mean nothing. O.J. Simpson could probably pass a lie detector test because he's convinced himself that he didn't kill anyone.

I blew Lazar off when I found out he didn't even graduate anywhere near the top of his high school class.
chunga
QUOTE(Knightmeir @ Feb 24 2006, 08:32 AM) [snapback]1077003[/snapback]

But when someone says something, and it can be proven wrong, or unintelligable, then it's obvious it's a hoax.
I agree. There are tons of possibilities, you just have to break each one down with logic. Even still the feasibilities can go in both directions.
Great way to make a point.
Agreed. It would be great to know if this kind of information existed.
Lazar wasn't framed. I lived in Vegas for 8 years. There's plenty of hookers around, and Lazar isn't exactly the smooth pimp conspiracy theorists would like to believe. I think of Bob being more along the lines of the D&D playing type... and would HAVE to pay for it.
If you don't have anything to contribute, then please stop posting.
Agreed. I read everything in depth over the past couple of years. There's a LOT to read. People say that he's kept his story straight. If Bob is good at anything, it's acting. You can sit and watch a movie and the actors do such a great job they make it believable. Case in point, many actors are hated because of certain roles they've played in films. They are sometimes viewed by the public as the characters they play, when in reality, they could be the complete opposite.
If you believe the US Government would be so naive as to hire someone without an extensive background or knowledge of such technologies, let alone something so secure that God Himself wouldn't be able to get into the program, then something is wrong. You can go ahead and say that the President of the US isn't the most intelligent person in the world, but you have to remember that he isn't in a position where TECHNICAL expertise is required, especially in the area of physics, which Bob Lazar has been proven to lack. You talk about believing him for his words... What about Bill Clinton. That guy could murder 3 dozen people on live national television, and still be able to talk his way out of it.

Plainly stated, some people just know how to talk. It's a key to a good story. Know how to send your message, add some twists and turns, get people INTERESTED. Once they're interested, you can add in things here and there that keep the interest of the readers. The KEY is to continuously throw in something unheard of before, such as the classic Element 115. Theoretically speaking, elements can be "made" up by adding protons and electrons. I could say that there is a probability that an Element 116 could possibly be made to exist. Sooner or later the technology will become available to create it. Bob does a good job of coming up with these possibilities, but does little in giving a clear and concise explanation of whatever it is he claimed to have worked on.

The majority of what he talks about isn't in the vocabulary of the average person. People who have zero understanding of this get sucked in because he SOUNDS like he's extremely intelligent and scientific. He's probably done some studying with physics, but his understanding of it isn't there. He makes wild claims that sound almost reasonable because the average listener is made to believe he knows more than he really does. Classic.

By the way, another hole in Bob Lazar's story.... security clearance levels aren't levels at all. Once you get into Top Secret, then you get into SCI, basically, compartmentalization. It's completely lateral. There are different programs, each in it's own little section. No compartment is above another.


Well Guys, He lived in Vegas for 8 years, he should know everything . NOT!!!!!
I agree with Limited, Why are you on this thread anyway?????
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NoTC
QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 24 2006, 01:26 PM) [snapback]1077239[/snapback]

Well Guys, He lived in Vegas for 8 years, he should know everything . NOT!!!!!
I agree with Limited, Why are you on this thread anyway?????
angry.gif


Limited wasn't speaking to me. rolleyes.gif

I stated where I lived because that's the area where Bobby was picking up hookers.

Are you going to contribute something or are you just going to whine like a 3 year old girl with a skinned knee? I took the time to write something logical, you copied my entire post, and didn't bother referenceing anything or responding to the actual subject matter.

If you want to have little online tiffs, you may want to head over to AOL and play in some chatrooms. If you don't have any items of interest to contribute to the subject at hand, then don't bother reading, or responding if you're just going to act like a child. thumbsup.gif
cerberusxp
Another possibilty would be Bob Lazar's mind was wiped. The military has some very interesting ways of messing up one's mind. They have been at it for what; about 70 or 80 years or more? And whose to say if any aliens were there could they have messed his mind up then they let him loose rave.
chunga
QUOTE(cerberusxp @ Feb 24 2006, 12:15 PM) [snapback]1077306[/snapback]

Another possibilty would be Bob Lazar's mind was wiped.



This is not what happened to Mr. Lazar
hazzard
QUOTE(chunga @ Feb 24 2006, 09:49 PM) [snapback]1077343[/snapback]


f*** YOU b****!!!!!!!! angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif



Come on now guys, play nice. huh.gif

Bob L is as phony as they come and have been debunked many times.Take a look here. A physicist looks at Lazar's story.

Dr. David Morgan, takes a look at some of Lazar claims
http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm
chunga
[quote name='hazzard' date='Feb 24 2006, 12:55 PM' post='1077351']
Come on now guys, play nice. huh.gif

He started it all with the little girl with skinned knees sh**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ValkyrieVoice
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QUOTE(Lilly @ Feb 21 2006, 01:25 PM) [snapback]1072177[/snapback]

I just recently came across a web page by one, Tom Mahood, that looks into the claims of Bob Lazar. Now, Mr. Lazar was the fellow who claimed to be a physicist who worked on UFOs at Area 51. Take a look here at Mr. Mahood's thorough investigation into Mr. Lazar's personal history and questionable physics.

For quite awhile I've felt Bob Lazar was certainly less than credible. Even if the government did wipe away all traces of a person's educational degrees, the person would still possess the knowledge that allowed them to earn the degree in the first place! Mr. Lazar simply does not have basic physics knowledge, let alone knowledge of advanced particle physics. Even Stanton Friedman, a strong supporter of the UFO/ET hypothesis, and an actual physicist, has called Mr. Lazar a fraud. Check out Mr. Friedman's analysis here on his web site.

I suggest that everyone take a bit of time to read Mr. Mahood's very complete research into Mr. Lazar's claims (be sure to check out the links he provides) and then make up their own minds.





no.gif I don't believe Bob Lazar. I think he worked out there at Area 51 and all- albeit briefly, but the rest of his story beyond just working there I think is him trying to obtain his 15 minutes of fame and him trying to get back at them for firing him.

For whatever it's worth!

Valkyrie Voice

Lilly
QUOTE(ValkyrieVoice @ Feb 25 2006, 01:25 AM) [snapback]1077765[/snapback]

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no.gif I don't believe Bob Lazar. I think he worked out there at Area 51 and all- albeit briefly, but the rest of his story beyond just working there I think is him trying to obtain his 15 minutes of fame and him trying to get back at them for firing him.


That makes sense, he may have been POed at having his employment terminated.

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