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JC2
Hi kids, didn’t know where to post this so if it needs to be moved then so be it.

Thing is I’ve been doing what I refer to as the ‘philo’, you might see it as metaphysical but what ever your understandings I find myself with a notion and here it is.

All the human beings in existence today share a massive amount of history. Combined we have written within us all the whole history of who and what and where we have come from.

The problem with this world we live in is the truth eludes us and confusion is the key to governing this globe. Knowledge is power BUT imagination ( as Einstein stated ) overrides that statement.

Through our imaginations the capitalists gain more of a foothold and play to our weaknesses. They give us choice and say we are free and in that we are bound by their authority and our individual status is all we should be concerned with yet we should have a level of compassion for those who also share this world of ours (theirs ) .

If ever there came a time for us to accept the truth would you not like to reach for that understanding in your life time?

The truth of what and who we are? Where we came from? How we got here? What our purpose is?

Well hold on to your knickers, I would like you to consider this.

The most complexed of organisms right through to the simplest formats share one thing, DNA.

The strand of life or string of life, it holds all the answers you could ever want and in it we can find clues to the answers that could change our future. In understanding our past, history, we could find ourselves looking down our own evolutionary time line and what do you think we would find?

The thing is, I am certain that within our dna we hold all the secrets that so many of us would like answered.

It has come to my attention that DNA is natures programming format. Each and everyone of us is different in only the slightest variation. Less than 5% from the great apes, 30% from a bean? So you have to understand that this format nature relies on also relies on us.

We update the string of life as we live it. Second by second our DNA is absorbing all the information through our environment. A constant uploading of infinite physical anomalies 24/7.

So what about this, does genetic memory really exist? Do you think that our memories can be caught up in this strand of life? Is it possible that our whole entire life could be captured within our own DNA?

If genetic memory is possible and we learned to read DNA who do you think would prosper?

And a more problematic scenario, if all this could be possible then the sequencing of DNA would offer the ability to do what? Forgetting the medical aspects try this,

If we could build like nature does, if we could utilise this strand, would or could it not be possible to write in our own predetermined solutions. Lets say we created a race of beings and we left them to evolve, would it not be wise to build in a few failsafes as to keep this new race on track. Life is usually a pretty predictable state but every now and again it is misguided so nature has her way of dealing with these issues so an intelligent creator would also do the same would he not? A level of consciousness only a few are privy to, the likes of Moses, Jesus?

To sum it up, all of us share the same history, we are all formatted pretty much the same, our past gives rise to the present and our present dictates our future. This sequence of proteins and acids and sugars ( DNA) really is a predetermined format that we are only just starting to understand but what if these understandings are already known? What if those who dictate to us are aware of all this and know the future? They have a format that was laid down thousands of years ago and kept secret.

Somewhere out there is the answer, the ‘holy grail’ and they know the time is coming for them to fear this man child as he will take from them what they have taken from you? In the genetic structure of this DNA sequence that we all share is a significant being who through some space and time anomaly he should come into being and this is what the whole bible thing is about?

This guy, this ‘second coming’, this next Christ, this ‘son of man’, maybe he is the one because his genetic memory serves him so well, he knows the truth and he knows how to use it?

Could this be a film in the making, bow my head in shame…..

What say you, I’m starting to bore myself here so I apologise, I know how you feel….

Ciao for now….
DaKong
Interesting read... It does make you wonder...

Personally I've always wondered with DNA and such is that if life is entirely made up of elements and energy, where does thought come into this? How do we think, how do we know, how do we have any thought capability whatsoever if all we're made up of is stuff? Is it just a fluke of nature? Our soul? Or the so-called "Dark Matter" of the universe...

Eh, makes ya wonder tongue.gif
Glacies
I think that may make a great film. however, there are some areas i must nit pick out, (as a double major bio and psych after all) it is a great number of the organisms out there have DNA, some only have RNA, (some don't even have that..) stuff like that, you know? basic tiny points which hardly detract from the overall arguement. nice post!
JC2
QUOTE(Glacies @ Feb 23 2006, 05:23 AM) [snapback]1074584[/snapback]

I think that may make a great film. however, there are some areas i must nit pick out, (as a double major bio and psych after all) it is a great number of the organisms out there have DNA, some only have RNA, (some don't even have that..) stuff like that, you know? basic tiny points which hardly detract from the overall arguement. nice post!


thanx for the vote guys, i've got to ask, if the building blocks formed started out as just a collection of structures and progressed to RNA, then DNA, is that not conforming to the pattern that nature encourages, i mean nature prefers things to be paired rather than singular or am i wrong?
Glacies
I'd say youre on the right track with that logic. pairing the strands (and changing it's molecular makeup as well i know...) anywho, pairing them made replication alot easier, and made the structure much more sturdy.
DaKong
Well, like, I'm still only taking a freshman Biology course, but nature does seem to be obsessed with pairs... A pair of chromosomes when a baby is being created, when a cell undergoes mitosis, it splits into two cells not three (probably has nothing to do with anything though tongue.gif), you get it grin2.gif
JC2
QUOTE(Glacies @ Feb 23 2006, 05:37 AM) [snapback]1074616[/snapback]

I'd say youre on the right track with that logic. pairing the strands (and changing it's molecular makeup as well i know...) anywho, pairing them made replication alot easier, and made the structure much more sturdy.


now i know this is more of a physics question but it is related, would you know anything about twin partical theory? i understand nature does not allow us to create a single partical?
Glacies
sorry, like I said, I'm majoring in bio, and I have a morbid fear of all things math ish...so physics is out of my range...though i'm sure someone here could give you a definate answer on that.
JC2
QUOTE(DaKong @ Feb 23 2006, 05:40 AM) [snapback]1074627[/snapback]

Well, like, I'm still only taking a freshman Biology course, but nature does seem to be obsessed with pairs... A pair of chromosomes when a baby is being created, when a cell undergoes mitosis, it splits into two cells not three (probably has nothing to do with anything though tongue.gif), you get it grin2.gif

Glacies
I agree with Dakong's post...yet i reiterate...i hate physics...so many letters, so many numbers...*shudders*
JC2
sorry i hit the wrong button? i am trying to relate the DNA with something and it has alot to do with the twin thing? i have had a few thoughts around the area of the the lymbic (?) system and its relation to how DNA and RNA are decoded?

somewhere i have made a connection to this syatem and the events trhat suround its ability to bind two seperate RNA samples, is the brain just a bi-product of the lymbic syatem?
The Raven
QUOTE(JC2 @ Feb 23 2006, 12:16 AM) [snapback]1074573[/snapback]

The problem with this world we live in is the truth eludes us and confusion is the key to governing this globe. Knowledge is power BUT imagination ( as Einstein stated ) overrides that statement.

Knowledge is not power alone. It is only power when one with knowledge has the wisdom that shows them how to use it.

QUOTE

The thing is, I am certain that within our dna we hold all the secrets that so many of us would like answered.

DNA gives us the tools, while RNA gives us the workers. Our duty is to supply it with the raw materials so when combined, it can create a finished product.

QUOTE

We update the string of life as we live it. Second by second our DNA is absorbing all the information through our environment. A constant uploading of infinite physical anomalies 24/7.

If we knew exactly where and how memory was stored we would have little or no problem determining what Conciousness is. Once again, DNA is just the instructions. It can tell us how to access a computer, but the computer begins with a clean hard drive. We can gain information and remember it, but we are not born with it. We are, however, born with certain "needs" [Such as the need to eat] which our body responds to by eating. These are instincts, which although may seem like some sort of programmed thought pattern or memory, are really just basid needs of survival.

I don't know what to say other than memory is not stored within the DNA.
DaKong
Pardon, but what's the lymbic system?
JC2
QUOTE(DaKong @ Feb 23 2006, 05:51 AM) [snapback]1074650[/snapback]

Pardon, but what's the lymbic system?


its the bodies chemical processing plant, it determines the measurement of the cell structure, i think?

thanx raven for you input, i fear the stability of fact is an ever changing concept though, genetic memory i think is something that will never be allowed to become fact and that is what i'm getting at....

they know it exists yet it offers to much truth....

have to go know as i have work in the morning, oh it is morning, arrrr,

hope to be back later, like to see how this one pans out, me thinks it might get jammed but hey ho.....

peace be upon you.... later dudes...
Bio-Mage
Look on DNA as a zip file of your assortment of proteins and how they are put together.

Nature developed pairing as a way to promote diversity. That way, useful characteristics can persist in a species and help it compete in the constant fight for survival.
Wombat
Uhh no, memories are not stored on DNA.

We exist to reproduce, keep the species going. Thats it, nothing more.
JC2
QUOTE(DaKong @ Feb 23 2006, 05:22 AM) [snapback]1074582[/snapback]

Interesting read... It does make you wonder...

Personally I've always wondered with DNA and such is that if life is entirely made up of elements and energy, where does thought come into this? How do we think, how do we know, how do we have any thought capability whatsoever if all we're made up of is stuff? Is it just a fluke of nature? Our soul? Or the so-called "Dark Matter" of the universe...

Eh, makes ya wonder tongue.gif



I can see that academics plays a major part in these forums so you will have to bare with me as I try to put my concepts into words and I know the sceptics will be compelled to go cynical on me but please give us a chance, please.

Regarding the references to consciousness and memory itself, think I’ll do memory for now and maybe have ago at consciousness later.

Memory, I see it like this,

The brain is a collection of neural transmitters and receivers. Each area of the brain serves to function one or another physical operation. From the mundane like regulating the circulatory system to the complexed like the optical system.

When we start to drift away from these required functions the brain is required to be independent in its thinking. It has to become a collective, so’s to speak, and it’s the routing of its Transmitters (T) and Receivers ( R ) that come into play.

For me it became apparent that we have to have irregular definition to these structures. The T & R’s we construct as we go through life are a result of how we achieve the understandings. What I mean is, say you have an academic based knowledge system as you received your understandings through a process of repetition. Then you have an inspired understanding, one you achieved through inspiration alone.

We then compare these two anomalies which type of process do you think will promote the larger T & R’s?

We know the strongest of minds are capable of running on inspiration, these guys we then call genius’s and well its an ‘intellectual’ argument from here on in but that’s how I see it.

To run on inspiration is an arduous and lonely road. If you fall prey to this way of life you quickly start to understand the reason why society is forced to play the scholartastic card and refutes anyone without a few letters after their name, sorry but you feel my bitterness?

Back to memory, its all down to size, sorry guys but if you do not measure up on the synaptic levels then you will become dependant on other peoples theories and for evermore just regurgitating somebody else’s thoughts and what a shame, I mean it, I’ve met some pretty serious guys when it comes to intellect and it always leaves me cold when they end up hitting denial when confronted with inspiration on a level they can only reach for.

Enough bigging me up, memory is most definitely tied up within the structure of certain cells and in that it is bound within our DNA, it might take another 10, 20, 50, 100 years for the science to prove it but I can assure you its as simple as that.

The brain is a trigger mechanism. It has to be, it has to be able to adapt to its environment very quickly as it is in a constant state of change so the mind has to follow suite.

The energy involved has to be the most sublime, its this part of the process that I love. Photons, the sequencing and arrangements of these particles is phenomenal. The production of these particles is the key to quantifying the size of the R & T’s and then when recalled the reverse process is then equalled.

Its like this, kid leaves school with a billion brain cells, goes to college and has increased his cells to a billion and five. He then goes to university and ups the level to a billion and twenty. He then may carry on academically and might hit the dizzy heights of a billion and fifty, wow, go boy.

We then take a natural genius, like Einstein, the heaviest brain known to man. He hated school (rebelled) just like all the rest of the genius’s, well you get the picture.

It is structured matter, it is bound by the freedom of thought. We have learned to structure it you just have to have the lolly to buy it. But even then…

What do you want next, consciousness or dark matter….?
DaKong
QUOTE(JC2 @ Feb 23 2006, 02:01 PM) [snapback]1075429[/snapback]

I can see that academics plays a major part in these forums so you will have to bare with me as I try to put my concepts into words and I know the sceptics will be compelled to go cynical on me but please give us a chance, please.

Regarding the references to consciousness and memory itself, think I’ll do memory for now and maybe have ago at consciousness later.

Memory, I see it like this,

The brain is a collection of neural transmitters and receivers. Each area of the brain serves to function one or another physical operation. From the mundane like regulating the circulatory system to the complexed like the optical system.

When we start to drift away from these required functions the brain is required to be independent in its thinking. It has to become a collective, so’s to speak, and it’s the routing of its Transmitters (T) and Receivers ( R ) that come into play.

For me it became apparent that we have to have irregular definition to these structures. The T & R’s we construct as we go through life are a result of how we achieve the understandings. What I mean is, say you have an academic based knowledge system as you received your understandings through a process of repetition. Then you have an inspired understanding, one you achieved through inspiration alone.

We then compare these two anomalies which type of process do you think will promote the larger T & R’s?

We know the strongest of minds are capable of running on inspiration, these guys we then call genius’s and well its an ‘intellectual’ argument from here on in but that’s how I see it.

To run on inspiration is an arduous and lonely road. If you fall prey to this way of life you quickly start to understand the reason why society is forced to play the scholartastic card and refutes anyone without a few letters after their name, sorry but you feel my bitterness?

Back to memory, its all down to size, sorry guys but if you do not measure up on the synaptic levels then you will become dependant on other peoples theories and for evermore just regurgitating somebody else’s thoughts and what a shame, I mean it, I’ve met some pretty serious guys when it comes to intellect and it always leaves me cold when they end up hitting denial when confronted with inspiration on a level they can only reach for.

Enough bigging me up, memory is most definitely tied up within the structure of certain cells and in that it is bound within our DNA, it might take another 10, 20, 50, 100 years for the science to prove it but I can assure you its as simple as that.

The brain is a trigger mechanism. It has to be, it has to be able to adapt to its environment very quickly as it is in a constant state of change so the mind has to follow suite.

The energy involved has to be the most sublime, its this part of the process that I love. Photons, the sequencing and arrangements of these particles is phenomenal. The production of these particles is the key to quantifying the size of the R & T’s and then when recalled the reverse process is then equalled.

Its like this, kid leaves school with a billion brain cells, goes to college and has increased his cells to a billion and five. He then goes to university and ups the level to a billion and twenty. He then may carry on academically and might hit the dizzy heights of a billion and fifty, wow, go boy.

We then take a natural genius, like Einstein, the heaviest brain known to man. He hated school (rebelled) just like all the rest of the genius’s, well you get the picture.

It is structured matter, it is bound by the freedom of thought. We have learned to structure it you just have to have the lolly to buy it. But even then…

What do you want next, consciousness or dark matter….?

I get the picture now... Thanks! grin2.gif

Heh, go Einstein! tongue.gif
JC2
QUOTE(DaKong @ Feb 23 2006, 10:11 PM) [snapback]1075819[/snapback]

I get the picture now... Thanks! grin2.gif

Heh, go Einstein! tongue.gif



wish i did, rofl.gif
Sweetsalem82103
QUOTE(JC2 @ Feb 22 2006, 11:16 PM) [snapback]1074573[/snapback]

Hi kids, didn’t know where to post this so if it needs to be moved then so be it.

Thing is I’ve been doing what I refer to as the ‘philo’, you might see it as metaphysical but what ever your understandings I find myself with a notion and here it is.

All the human beings in existence today share a massive amount of history. Combined we have written within us all the whole history of who and what and where we have come from.

The problem with this world we live in is the truth eludes us and confusion is the key to governing this globe. Knowledge is power BUT imagination ( as Einstein stated ) overrides that statement.

Through our imaginations the capitalists gain more of a foothold and play to our weaknesses. They give us choice and say we are free and in that we are bound by their authority and our individual status is all we should be concerned with yet we should have a level of compassion for those who also share this world of ours (theirs ) .

If ever there came a time for us to accept the truth would you not like to reach for that understanding in your life time?

The truth of what and who we are? Where we came from? How we got here? What our purpose is?

Well hold on to your knickers, I would like you to consider this.

The most complexed of organisms right through to the simplest formats share one thing, DNA.

The strand of life or string of life, it holds all the answers you could ever want and in it we can find clues to the answers that could change our future. In understanding our past, history, we could find ourselves looking down our own evolutionary time line and what do you think we would find?

The thing is, I am certain that within our dna we hold all the secrets that so many of us would like answered.

It has come to my attention that DNA is natures programming format. Each and everyone of us is different in only the slightest variation. Less than 5% from the great apes, 30% from a bean? So you have to understand that this format nature relies on also relies on us.

We update the string of life as we live it. Second by second our DNA is absorbing all the information through our environment. A constant uploading of infinite physical anomalies 24/7.

So what about this, does genetic memory really exist? Do you think that our memories can be caught up in this strand of life? Is it possible that our whole entire life could be captured within our own DNA?

If genetic memory is possible and we learned to read DNA who do you think would prosper?

And a more problematic scenario, if all this could be possible then the sequencing of DNA would offer the ability to do what? Forgetting the medical aspects try this,

If we could build like nature does, if we could utilise this strand, would or could it not be possible to write in our own predetermined solutions. Lets say we created a race of beings and we left them to evolve, would it not be wise to build in a few failsafes as to keep this new race on track. Life is usually a pretty predictable state but every now and again it is misguided so nature has her way of dealing with these issues so an intelligent creator would also do the same would he not? A level of consciousness only a few are privy to, the likes of Moses, Jesus?

To sum it up, all of us share the same history, we are all formatted pretty much the same, our past gives rise to the present and our present dictates our future. This sequence of proteins and acids and sugars ( DNA) really is a predetermined format that we are only just starting to understand but what if these understandings are already known? What if those who dictate to us are aware of all this and know the future? They have a format that was laid down thousands of years ago and kept secret.

Somewhere out there is the answer, the ‘holy grail’ and they know the time is coming for them to fear this man child as he will take from them what they have taken from you? In the genetic structure of this DNA sequence that we all share is a significant being who through some space and time anomaly he should come into being and this is what the whole bible thing is about?

This guy, this ‘second coming’, this next Christ, this ‘son of man’, maybe he is the one because his genetic memory serves him so well, he knows the truth and he knows how to use it?

Could this be a film in the making, bow my head in shame…..

What say you, I’m starting to bore myself here so I apologise, I know how you feel….

Ciao for now….



My brother was into all that genetic memory stuff. Some tribe in Africa (I think) use some kind of plant (not sure of the name, I'll have to ask my brother) to induce a sort of trance. They believe that the "memories" that come to you aren't from past lives, but from those that lived before you. They didn't believe in past lives. They believed that all knowledge and information was passed down through DNA. Wish I could remember the names! I think that's a pretty advanced idea for a tribe in Africa!!! Everyone always views them as completely primitive.
Merreton
QUOTE(Wombat @ Feb 23 2006, 10:59 AM) [snapback]1075427[/snapback]

Uhh no, memories are not stored on DNA.

We exist to reproduce, keep the species going. Thats it, nothing more.


Is that all we are made for?
If this is so then why do some of us (with intelligence that in no way includes me) have the delusions of grand creation or is this dipping into spirituality?
Well anyhoo if we go into destiny are and how things were meant to be for this world... what would we be but a plague, killing all other species untill we overpopulate the planet, killing ourselves in the process.
Wombat
QUOTE(merreton @ Feb 25 2006, 05:41 AM) [snapback]1078062[/snapback]

Is that all we are made for?
If this is so then why do some of us (with intelligence that in no way includes me) have the delusions of grand creation or is this dipping into spirituality?

Uhh, yes that is all we are made for. I don't know what you are talking about.
We are biologically programmed to reproduce and protect our offspring. Then we die. Repeat. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
JC2
QUOTE(Wombat @ Feb 25 2006, 09:14 PM) [snapback]1079113[/snapback]

Uhh, yes that is all we are made for. I don't know what you are talking about.
We are biologically programmed to reproduce and protect our offspring. Then we die. Repeat. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.


Sorry but I fear there is a lot more to our programming than that, although some of us seem to offer less and some more, think that’s what natural selection allows, some people like pond life and some just need something more, I go for the latter, need a little more than some but a little less than others, genetics???? Who’d believe it eh…..?
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