Thanks to the mod who moved this

OKAY - This is NOT intended to TROLL, FLAME or anything against the rules. I've checked them, and this thread DOES NOT break any. If you are offended, or find anything that you think breaks the rules, you probably read it wrong. I will refer to THIS thread:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=61617


So - with that taken care of - here's the thread!
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Stop with the topics without evidence. I am sick of cruising through here, and reading that several people have the ability to see the future, and zap others, without evidence.

In a topic, if you say you SAW something or you HEARD it, get video evidence.
I don't care if you're Batman, Jesus or Cher. If you don't have video evidence, you can kiss your credibility goodbye. THe only people who will believe you are others who have already lost theirs.

Now, if you FELT it, that's a different matter. If it tingles, you're forcing blood there, it's normal, everyone can do it. If it hurts, you should put it in ice, whack on a bandaid, and wait a few days for it to heal. If you start bleeding from the fingernails, eyes, nostrils, mouth, or various cuts on your body, you should accept that you have ebola, and hope for a miracle cure.

Now, for all of those members who seemed to be able to stop their harts while practising EK or Magnetokinesis or whatever, get back into hospital.
If your heart just SUDDENLY stopped, you would need to be taken to hopsital, and you would be held there until they figured out what was wrong with you.
Obviously, seeing as though doctors cannot diagnose "Electrokinesis accident", and probably can't even recognise it, they can't figure out what's wrong with you.
If they can't figure out what's wrong with you, don't go home for a looooong time.
You would have tests taken on you, but to no avail, they still don't know what's wrong with you.

Now, to all of those psychics, and clairvoyants, who CAN'T get evidence, and feel secure so they post up their abilities without evidence, no.
If you're psychic, tell us what we're thinking. Now, this is what drives most people off.
When they say they're psychic, and can read our thoughts, then we ask them what we're thinking, they leave.

So if you're thinking of posting your psychic ability, but intend to leave after being asked a few questions, don't bother.

And with Claivoyants, tell us when the next bombing will happen, tell us who wins the next football game. Don't just think you can waltz in, without being asked questions.

Also, empathy is a human skill, so is intuition, so don't bother boasting about them.. because we can all do them.

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Now, also, please listen to skeptics. I'm trying to not to be biased, but still, most of the time, they post some factual explanation for what's happening.

I am sick of running through threads, where people psot up their dilemma, the skeptics explain it, then some other kinetic member comes, expresses their opinion, then the topic starter runs off with the kinetic member, completely disregarding the skeptic's more logical posts.

Here are a few examples -

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=61936

Here, you can plainly see, the topic creator asks if he/she has an ability, many skeptics explain it logically, but then a single person comes, says he/she has an ability, and boom problem solved.
The fact that you only pay attention to the posts saying you have powers, is proving that you're only here to get attention, and that the whole topic is spam, seeing as though you were only looking for ONE reply..

Another example here -

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...pic=62183&st=45

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Okay, one last thing, I hope.

Scientific Testing.

If you have some rare ability. Have it tested. That's the best way to prove it to us, as we'll see it on the news.
You'll also win a million bucks:
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html

Now, what's the general excuse for not going in for testing?

"We'll be treated like labrats"

No.
There's laws against that.

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Okay, so that's done. I hope it deals with most of the problems we have here, and answers a few questions.

Like I said before, don't be offended or whatever, this is supposed to be just an innocent thread. I'm not being a big bad wolf, trying to blow your confidence down.


Yeah.... Well, I was gunna type up a whole list of "Skeptic vs. Psychic behaviours",
Where I post up all of the topics that believers misbehave in, then skeptics.. but I thought that was going a little too far.
But I'm sure you can all guess the outcome of who's worse behaved (If you really wanna know, PM me)

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So yeah, I hope this topic helps someone do something,

~ Replacement

Amen

The first part of your post was good. That part about getting FRIGGIN EVIDENCE. But the rest was just skeptic mumbo jumbo and jumping to conclusions. Anyway, I too want evidence.

you tell people to get evidence if they SAW or HEARD anything, how cna they do that if they've already SEEN or HEARD it? Do you want them to bring a camcorded back in time?

If someone sees a ghost/spirit/whatever and don't have any sort of recording device, how are they supposed to find evidence? They could stay at the same place for 10 years without ever seeing anything again.

Evidence on the paranormal is a luxury. And there will always be people who refuse to belive no matter how much evidence you provide. It's either a fake, hoax or conspiracy, always

Some believe, some don't.

Replacement...
Good points. Perhaps a bit rougher than I would have stated them, but good points none the less. I have noticed that the HBs like to say we skeptics jump to conclusions. Nay, we present alternative explanations for alleged phenomena and many times admit "we don't know" the answer.

BTW, I have a bent spoon here on my desk. Would someone please straighten it?

Well, I for one believe in spirits and ghosts, it's psychic abilities I'm not so sure of. Why do I believe in spirits? I've experienced them personaly.

In the last month I've seen a lot. Try a google if this is not enough.
link

^ Very interesting stuff. I have a feeling things will play out like this.


Skeptic: "Show me video evidence or hush it."
Psi Dude: "Ok, here."
-Skeptic watches videos-
Skeptic: "Those are fake..."
Me: "Why'd you even ask for videos in the first place moron?"

It's funny how true that is zero.

Video evidence is worthless it does not prove anything and as far as an internet forum with the right program a person can make it look like someone is walking on water (it's done on TV all the time). What could potentially work on the internet is something along the lines of the Philip Phenomenon have been hinting about that in the past.

The problem is can all of us be objective and can we trust each other to report objectively our experiences?

Any thoughts?

I'm not saying it prooves anything, I'm just saying that the skeptic will ask for a video, then when given, probably scream FAKE right off the bat.

Replacement

I can understand the frustration of a skeptic for evidence however these are my thoughts;

Many times when evidence is given it is disputed anyway by skeptics. In some cases justly in others it is mainly because of their unwillingness to believe. So in saying that, evidence might never satisfy you.

Secondly many things in the case of the paranormal cannot be backed up with evidence perhaps hence the term "paranormal." How do you always provide evidence in the physical world by the physical laws of something that is not within the realm of the physical world?

Thirdly you are as free as the next to think what you will but discussion forums entitle people to talk amongst themselves about the topic at hand. Imagine if you went to a friend's house and told them a story of what happened to you the prior night and they would not hear your story unless everything was documented and photographed?

Lastly these are my own thoughts and of course I have no proof for them so will you still read them?

FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol true that, double true

So based upon RamboIII response the point is clear the issue is not about objectively analyzing data, but rather, at all cost claiming PSI is not real even if it means denying the very evidence they claim is proof.

Any thoughts?

My point was that it's stupid to ask for video if you're going to say it's fake regardless. If you don't accept video of psi as proof, then don't ask for it.

So, what you're saying, is if we say the video's fake... it's not our opinion, it's just that we're being stubborn.

>=( Mod please delete this.. my internet broke off while posting then reconnected and blah

well,i mean like,it'd be nice to have video evidence,but its not like people walk around 24 hours of the day with cameras ready to capture a ghost or some weird "monster" or weird animal,i'm a skeptic and a believer,i've seen things that i can't explain,but that doesn't mean that i walk around ready to catch a video of a ghost,i have dreams that actually end up happening,but they all are just nonsense and i can't control it,so its impossoble for me to predict a bridge callapsing or something like that on purpose.i don't know how i'd be able to get proof of that though,i just try to get people to believe me,if they don't,they don't,nothing i can do about it

RE states.....


ZeroShadow states.....


RamboIII state......


Duh...... yeah dude

Any thoughts?

This is why I think that everyone should have a camera implant in their belly buttons.


Anyways, these people aren't just seeign a random creature, or watching random aliens probe them.
THey're training these skills, as in, they're continuously recreating the same effect. They can 'control' it, so they should be able to record it



@Traid - wait.. what are you saying? I can't quite pick up the context Sorry

I'm saying you're being stubborn and silly if you know that you won't accept ANY video footage, but yet you still ask for it just so you can scream FAKE. What do you think about the videos on page one?

This?


I tend to watch videos before I judge them.

Well.. watch them then give us your feedback. You wanted videos.

Most incorporate Psi Wheels... thank god. I was thinking I'd need to download a lot.

Quoted for truth. About a year ago on these forums After posting videos from psions and whatnot and watching as other people post evidence I have come to a conclusion - The hardcore skeptics will only believe if you actually go out and make it your mission to get whatever paranormal claim be it ghosts, psychic powers, UFo's or whatnot... and prove it to the entire scientific community. If it isnt accepted in mass, then your videos and pictures are fake. If it isnt accepted in mass, then anything you say or do outside of attempting to make it accepted by the masses will be considered an "Excuse".

Im not going to go out and prove it to the world. Part of the reason I talk about psi online is because I like being anonymous. I dont want the world to know about me. I dont want to show random people what I can do. Kind of ironic since the most used accussation I see online is "Your just looking for attention !" .

Ahh... oh well.

After reading all these post it it quite unusual that I had wrote this down from a dictionary
today at work. ( I like reading to expand my vocabulary) and please check what time I
left this site this morning. But here I'm just trying to add to believers and non-alike why
things cannot always be instataniously explained to whom-ever. For some UNEXPLAINED
REASON I just jotted this down.
Mystical- Of or having a spiritual reality or import not apparent to the intelligance or
senses. 2) Of or stemming from direct communion with ultimate reality or
God. 3) Of or founded on subjective experience. 4) Of or relating to mystic
rites or practies. 5)Unintelligable: cryptic.

So for the reasons of good communication between all, I just wondered what both
sides would think? After all we are flesh and blood, are we not? Thanks for your time.

Ever heard of theoretic discussion? That's what this board consists of mainly. The reason? Like somebody said already, people don't have a cam with them 24/7.

If you can't even come up with reasonable counter-arguments, there isn't a need for video evidence, which is not even evidence anyway.

They're recreating their ability's effects constantly. They're training it. THey claim they can CONTROL it to some extent. THat means they can whip it out more than once.

I can't believe I have to explain this.


So Video Evidence is NOT Evidence?

I'm not going to bother with that one.

Actually it isn't, scientifically tested experiments are evidence. A video is far from being evidence. So unless you're going to provide them with a lab and teach them years of scientific studies in a few months, I wouldn't cry for evidence as loud as you do.

No, I have not watched them yet, but I have a question about the videos - Do they have a camera under the table as well? Can wee see whether there's any magnet or not?...

Now, the sheer likeliness factor of this is way off the scale (Not vertically!), but if there was a carefully placed piece of tin foil in a wad of paper, one could take a stronger magnet, put it under the table, and make the thing dart around... See, this is the problem I have with shows like Most Haunted. Look at the bloody position they've got their fingers in on the ouija board!... I understand these people aren't catering to the skeptical crowd exclusively or trying to convince them, which actually tends to up the likeliness factor a bit, but they still could have some extra cameras positioned somewhere, couldn't they? Who, or how would it hurt?

Just me throwing ideas across the table. Again.

-MDH...

That movie with the guy using tk on the piece of paer was pretty cool, and yet completly real. So if you dont think that any of them are real thats youre problem because that is physically posibble!

First of all welcome our newest forum member telekinetic wizard: Thanks for joining us!
also I would like to add at this time something the UM forum discussed; Ref:10-29-04,
about abilities. "under amazing human abilities" Not to forget the topic discussion here
but I remember this being about proof or some eveidence of the nature? Reminder....
the mans name was Edward Leedskalnin, a Latvian eccentric: Who without help of
machines built this "Coral Castle" made of large stones that still today we're still trying
to realize how it was done, by just human mind ability alone? And of course natures'
understanding! But there seems to be some promise on this site: PLEASE READ this article
listed under his name from your search engine! I hope that you shall compromise certain
individual aspects of this information without interupting your own beliefs of this sub-
ject about the providing of certain evidence, of couse within certain conceptions of
individulality? SO FAR this is the best forum that I can say has honestly held interest!
More to follow: Replacement100 your first up to bat with regards to seniority! Lets keep
this interesting and as always best of everything to everybody!!!!
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME:
DZ448

The Coral Castle is very intriguing. I think this is the UM article DZ448 referred to: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...human+abilities

Edward Leedskalnin was secretive about his methods so little is known. One coral stone he manipulated was nearly 30 tons, twice the weight of any stone in the Great Pyramid.

Yes just a plain kind of man that attained interventional information from outside of our
normal understanding of the universe!


Good Job: ImOne

While myself would love to see the evidence who would want to . A person can make triple the amount selling books and being on Television. but If you want your evidence watch the programs Ghosthunters and Sci fi Investigations.
In Ghost hunters they try to debunk it before they come up with a conclusion and they have debunked alot of there sitings.
In Sci fi Investigaters they try to desprove or see if it is true about every thing from ufos to the mothman.
There is a saying out there, the most powerful skeptics are the believers. Because who in the end, wants to be made a fool. Harry Houdini was a big time Skeptic and was on a crusade to find all the charlitins out there, But not to many people will now that he was a believer. He bebunk all the Spirtualist and Psychics because he wanted to find the one gifted person out there and maybe communcate with his dead mother who he love alot.
But in the end I would love to see the evidence too!
Maybe there will be more scientist out there one day and start taking more scientific studing and expiraments of the events and powers.



OO I forgot the U.S Goverment was big in Remote viewing and had this program going successfully for many years . There evidence should a large percetnage showing that it did work.
And you guys and gals need to stop quarting Wiki... that does not desprove any evidnce because all that s just someone Bias remarks or uneducated remarks.
I had found hundreds of Bias remarks and misstakes made there. Try multiple book sorces and internet webpages to show the evidence that we in the long run all want, Even do expiraments your self and post your resalts here!!!