I just seen the move (exorcism of emily rose) last night I have to say very interesting movie. It is based on a true story that failed exorcism was performed on Ellen Rimbouer in 1973. It is the most talked about exorcism to this day.But I did not like the movie in this way director (scott derikson) did not follow a lot of what really happened I think he just made up stuff as he went a long.It's a courtroom drama movie and very interesting. Here are some things that really happend that was or was not in the movie
-ellen rimbouer was the real name of the possesed person NOT emily rose
- ellen rimbouer did not start exsperincing things at school it actually started in her home
-she did die shortly after the failed exorcism
-her family did take the case to court and blamed the priest for killing there daughter

thats about all i have

some people that played in the exorcism of emily rose
Jennifer Carpenter,Laura Linney,Mary Beth Hert,Tom Wilkinson

Actually, its about Anneliese Michel, and it happened in Russia, and started roughly in 1968.

Actually, its about Anneliese Michel, and it happened in Russia, and started roughly in 1968.

an interesting movie though, kinda like law and order meets the exorcist...actually I hear that was the original title of the movie...seriously though yup based in part, on a real life occurence, and I thought there was a topic in the main forum about this already, I may be wrong though...

Russia? What happened to Germany?

Im sorry Boltwave, I was somewhat confused as well, dunno why I put that. She was and is German, however the priests were Russian, and spoke mostly russian from what I know of. Also a**A_9, the family did not bring the priests to court, it was the state prosecuters. The priests themselves were only fined, and the parents were found guilty of manslaughter and negligence of there daughter. There is a german movie coming out shortly by the name of "Requim", and it is going to give a more truthful depiction of her life then " The Exorcism of Emily Rose" did.

ok y would such ppl neglegt their child oh they r sooo mean and yeah w/e close enough

I thought there was a topic in the main forum about this already, I may be wrong though...

Nope, you're right.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=48192

It was an ok movie pretty boring though.

Yeh very. If you want to see a girl getting molested by a ghost what the entity . It was more like runaway jury than a horror film.

If you were the person being possessed and molested by the Evil Spirit it would not be boring at all but would be as someone said:
"A Horror Story, that few people believe"
Possessions and the Violence they cause to someone is very Real and I know this from First Hand Experience.

How to get people to believe what is happening to the Possessed and finding someone who will believe is not an easy task.

And finding an Exorcist is even more difficult.

I believe some of the things they advise to be done to the Possessed causes more problems, such as, witholding food and water, and overpowering them and tieing them down is a Mistake, because a frightened person being held down by a group of big berly men is bound to set up a fight to say let me go, and these are the things that cause the problems in an exorcism and leads to danger for the Possessed.

I believe the exorcist should pray and talk to the Spirits and tell them whatever they want to but they should not withold food, and water to further weaken the possessed person because this is exactly what the Enemy Spirit wants.

The Possessing Spirit is normally the Spirit of a Dead person or Group of Deceased Acquaintenances who come back to avenge something they feel that person has done to them, and sometimes they may possess the body of a child to get even with another member of a family.

By possessing the body of a child and turning it into a raging trouble maker those Spirits can punish the parents they have a beef with by proxy.

Of course Adults are also possessed and the Spirits who do this are doing this with glee especially if that person is an enemy of theirs who is still alive on Earth and they know they can get away with the Possession and have a great time inflicting pain and suffering because even now few people believe in Possessions.

So while many Exorcists refer to the Invading Spirit as a Demon in Reality most of them are just people we have known who are unhappy and are back to get even for some slight they feel we have done to them and they have no other way of evening the Score.

Take for example a murder Victim might come back and possess the body of someone who killed them and feel they deserve the body to replace the one taken from them.

Other Possessing Spirits may be those who can't accept their death and they are determined to stay in a body, anyones body as long as its a warm body and they can live through it and pretend they never died.

I know, an Exorcist is someone who performs an Exorcism on a Possessed Person.

what I'm most interested in is how did your friend find an Exorcist, and how long did it take and did the friend have any adverse affects to his person after the Exorcism?

I think your input would be very helpful because while I have searched high and low for an Exorcist its very difficult to get someone like that to believe you and what is being told to them but evidently they can be found eventually.

Thank you that is very helpful to know.

you can talk in languages you don't know. . .it SOUNDS weird, but it's possible, and not only through "possession".

How can I talk fluently in a foreign language, if I haven't been taught, and or exposed to that language ?.

A- Usually they DON'T talk fluently, they use the same words and phrases

B- Everything you have ever seen is stored in your subconscious, every word, picture, road, everything. That's just a fact. People can remember in detail a book that their parent read to them when they were 15 months old, under hypnotism. More often than not, the "languages" that the people have "never" been exposed to, is a language that they have seen or heard sometime during their life. There have been accounts and they have all been recorded, of people speaking latin when they "never heard or saw it before" when, in fact, they HAD been but it was just such a miniscule thing that they didn't realize it. When you have certain illnesses, these memories, even small ones like a passage that you read in another language, can come back to you, and you can use it. There have been people that can speak fluently in another language and, in all actuallity, they had NOT been introduced to it, but that's along the lines of collective unconscious, sometimes called the collective subconscious, depending on who is using the term(something which is often viewed as slightly "paranormal" in nature though most psychologists, including Carl Jung accept it as fact), something which you would probably not even begin to understand the scientific nature of. I majored in psychology, I've been taught this stuff over and over and over again. But, growing up in the over-religious family that she did and the time and place that she did, I have no doubt that Anneliese probably heard those languages before.

C- she WAS exposed to the languages, regardless of your beliefs on the matter, at least by the priests. If you had read the accounts BEFORE the movie, you would know that the priests supposively "egged" her on in what she was saying

The facts of the case, which is what I was TRYING to point out earlier, have been diluted and misconstrued since the movie came out. It's like the Blair Witch. . . almost everyone believed it was true at first. Websites popped up all over fueling that belief with fake reports and the likes of the three people in the movie. All it was, in fact, was a clever publicity stunt that, even now, some people believe.

First of all, there is no need for me to review the history of this exorcism, I would be comfortable stating I know a bit more about it then you, being an ex Roman Catholic Priest. Second of all, I know a fair bit on pyschology, and I know of all the terms you coined and are trying to elaborate on.

In many of the cases, I agree with you, a mental illness is usually the case when these people are reporting such symptoms. As far as the exorcism with Anneliese, I myself am still undecided on whether she was possessed or not, I have seen some compelling evidence on both sides. Now, with all of the sub-conscious memory and the memorization of languages within it, it is still touchy. In the case of Anneliese, yes she was exposed to these languages, but it's just very convient how all of these mental problems, and " coincidences" happened all at once to her. Not only was she epileptic, she was schizophrenic, and then hallucinating ( due to epilepsy ), and also triggered her sub-conscious to speak foriegn languages. Sure, doctors and science can always closley relate a mental illness with a certain symptom, but in this case, we are talking about numerous problems flaring all at once. Once again, coincidence, or demonic possession, whos to know for sure? everyone does, and will always have there own beliefs regarding this case.

I don't think I made myself very clear. You see, I had a family member that was diagnosed a while back with grand mal epilepsy. He had mild visual and auditory hallucinations, which, as the doctors explained to my family (I was not very close to this particular family member, but I was pretty close to his daughter) , sometimes occur with epileptic patients. Epilepsy is not just seizures, that's just the symptom that everyone is familiar with. It also causes severe mental and physical problems. I found this, it might better explain what I'm trying to say:

Epilepsy
December 2001

WHAT IS EPILEPSY?

Epilepsy is characterized by unprovoked, recurring seizures that disrupt the nervous system and can cause mental and physical dysfunction. It is not a single disorder but rather a wide spectrum of problems. What all types of epilepsy share is an uncontrolled electrical discharge from nerve cells in the cerebral cortex, the part of the brain that integrates higher mental functions, general movement, the functions of the internal organs in the abdominal cavity, perception, and behavioral reactions.

I found this on http://www.reutershealth.com/wellconnected/doc44.html

If untreated with proper medications, epilepsy can lead to severe brain damage. As the above paragraph mentions, the uncontrolled electrical discharge effects the area of the brain that intergrates perception, which would probably explain the hallucinations. And, FYI, I just found out that Annaliese DID, in fact, learn latin in school, and had NOT spoken in languages that she didn't know. And the fact that some of her demons spoke in accents (and the wrong ones at that) instead of their native tongue also puts up a red flag in my eyes. The girl was so religious that she slept on the floor for most of her life, is there any reason that any of us can doubt that she would question as to why her god had inflicted this illness on her? Isn't it safe to assume that she would believe that the devil was causing it? I'm afraid that, in truth, we'll never know now. The coming of the movie has perverted the sites that once had the "alternate" biography of the girl; as they now have mostly succombed to the "media" version of the tale. I'm not trying to discredit anybody. I would just really like for people to see the other side of the story that nobody really tells anymore. Trust me, if you go to a search engine and type in her name, you will not get the same results as I did BEFORE the movie came out. I never suspected a movie would even be made of it, since most people agreed that it was a medical disorder and not a possession. However, I suppose since they made "The Exorcist" which was actually based on a little boy who was later largely discredited, I guess they'll make anyone's tragic life a movie.

All of that was nothing I don't already know. I never said Annaliese did not learn these languages, I said she was indeed exposed to them. And I know much about epilepsy, I had a family member who drowned while having an epileptic attack while swimming, and a brother of mine is schitozphrenic. Trust me, I know how psychology works, and when my brother was having dillusions, I did not call for an exorcist, me and the rest of my family brought him into see a doctor. Just so you know another movie is coming out called "Requim" and it is going to give a more realistic depiction of Annaliese story, so you might like it better.

Thank you for your sympathy BoltWave, my brother is fine now, since he is on the right medication. I did see that movie " The exorcism of Emily Rose ", I actually saw it in the theaters when it came out. However Im not sure of the scene you speak of, I will have to watch the movie over again.

The best thing to remember, is that exorcisms are much more refined now, then they were a few centuries ago. The Roman Catholic Church will only present an exorcism on a strict symptom basis, and yes BoltWave, Telekinesis being one of those symptoms.

that is a good movie

Really? Well I saw it myself the third day it was in theaters, some of it I must admit is on a bit of the corny signed, it exaggerated much of the situation (by that I mean the part where she has that "out of body" experience)

By the way, I wanted to ask you something, have you had any personal relations to demonic forces? By that I mean exorcism? Or better yet, why did you become a priest?

Personally, no, I have not had any sighting or accompanied an exorcism, or even anything of the paranormal ( ghosts and the such). However I have read a great deal on the subject and numerous books written by exorcists.

I became a priests for many reasons, many of them personal of course. I loved ancient history, and I loved religion, and was a devote follower of the faith. Being a priest I felt was a calling, and to me always felt like a position of honor and prestige, that so many people look up to. More then anything I would of wanted to set an example and help people the best I could in hard times

All of that was nothing I don't already know. I never said Annaliese did not learn these languages, I said she was indeed exposed to them. And I know much about epilepsy, I had a family member who drowned while having an epileptic attack while swimming, and a brother of mine is schitozphrenic. Trust me, I know how psychology works, and when my brother was having dillusions, I did not call for an exorcist, me and the rest of my family brought him into see a doctor. Just so you know another movie is coming out called "Requim" and it is going to give a more realistic depiction of Annaliese story, so you might like it better.

I wasn't talking to you in particular, I was just putting that on there so everyone would know. I didn't say anything in my last post that was particularly directed at you and I didn't say anything regarding the last post you made. BTW, whoever called me a "him", I'm not, I'm very much a "her". How many "hims" would have a kitten as their avatar. hahaha

It was an ok movie pretty boring though.

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omg that move was so retarded i have seen scarier things than that hahahah and you carla says its boring that was mind numbing it sucked so bad

It was an ok movie pretty boring though.

I, personally, don't believe she was even possessed. Before the movie was even thought of, most of the sites about Anneliese Michel agreed that she was suffering from severe mental conditions and epilepsy. Her parents, over-zealous catholics, refused to believe that any normal "sickness" was occurring and stopped giving her her medicine and refused to send her to a place where she could get treated. Growing up with such strict religious beliefs, it's no surprise that she actually believed she was possessed. Some accounts even said that the priests helped with that, fueling her beliefs. Even the "speaking in tongues" thing got dismissed due to some less than proffessional actions by the priests. Now, after the movie, every site you go to is gung ho with the "possession" theory. I think too many people want to believe the movie is the truth. The girl wasn't on the medications she needed to be on, so she went crazy, end of story. From a psychologist's point of view, her case doesn't stand out that much considering her upbringing and her medical conditions. The parents and the priests went to court for neglect because they refused to take her to a real doctor and refused to give her her medication and so she starved to death do to their practices. The only thing weird about it is why the parents were so against taking her to doctors. All the sites you see today say that "the doctors didn't help" and they didn't know what to do when she said she was hearing voices. The doctors didn't help cause her parents DIDN'T give her her medicine, which was actually no fault of the doctor's. Plus, the type of epilepsy that she had sometimes has other things with it. Including visual and auditory hallucinations, and any doctor would know that. She was just sick, not possessed.

All of that was nothing I don't already know. I never said Annaliese did not learn these languages, I said she was indeed exposed to them. And I know much about epilepsy, I had a family member who drowned while having an epileptic attack while swimming, and a brother of mine is schitozphrenic. Trust me, I know how psychology works, and when my brother was having dillusions, I did not call for an exorcist, me and the rest of my family brought him into see a doctor. Just so you know another movie is coming out called "Requim" and it is going to give a more realistic depiction of Annaliese story, so you might like it better.

And, btw, alot of people, especially REALLY religious people, can actually "believe" they are possessed, so, yeah, an exorcism would work. But it's psychology, not demons. Pick up any book on psychology and you'll find that out. The sad thing is that I'm not a skeptic at all, I just don't like it when people use explanations like "possession" lightly. Your mind is really powerful. Your face can contort, your voice can change, you can talk in languages you don't know. . .it SOUNDS weird, but it's possible, and not only through "possession".

From her birth on the 21st of September, 1952, Anneliese Michel enjoyed the life of a normal, religiously nurtured young girl. Without warning, her life changed on a day in 1968 when she began shaking and found she was unable to control her body. She could not call out for her parents, Josef and Anna, or any of her 3 sisters. A neurologist at the Psychiatric Clinic Wurzburg diagnosed her with "Grand Mal" epilepsy. Because of the strength of the epileptic fits, and the severity of the depression that followed, Anneliese was admitted for treatment at the hospital.

Soon after the attacks began, Anneliese started seeing devilish grimaces during her daily praying. It was the fall of 1970, and while the young people of the world were enjoying the liberal freedoms of the time, Anneliese was battling with the belief that she was possessed. It seemed there was no other explanation for the appearance of devilish visions during her prayers. Voices also began following her, saying Anneliese will "stew in hell". She mentioned the "demons" to the doctors only once, explaining that they have started to give her orders. The doctors seem unable to help, and Anneliese lost hope that medicine was going to be able to cure her.

In the summer of 1973, her parents visited different pastors to request an exorcism. Their requests were rejected and they were given recommendations that the now 20 year old Anneliese should continue with medication and treatment. It was explained that the process by which the Church proves a possession (Infestatio) is strictly defined, and until all the criterion is met, a Bishop can not approve an exorcism. The requirements, to name a few, include an aversion to religious objects, speaking in a language the person has never learned, and supernatural powers.

In 1974, after supervising Anneliese for some time, Pastor Ernst Alt requested a permit to perform the exorcism from the Bishop of Wurzburg. The request was rejected, and a recommendation soon followed saying that Anneliese should live even more of a religious lifestyle in order to find peace. The attacks did not diminish, and her behavior become more erratic. At her parents' house in Klingenberg, she insulted, beat, and began biting the other members of her family. She refused to eat because the demons would not allow it. Anneliese slept on the stone floor, ate spiders, flies, and coal, and even began drinking her own urine. She could be heard screaming throughout the house for hours while breaking crucifixes, destroying paintings of Jesus, and pulling apart rosaries. Anneliese began committing acts of self-mutilation at this time, and the act of tearing off her clothes and urinating on the floor became commonplace.

After making an exact verification of the possession in September 1975, the Bishop of Wurzburg, Josef Stangl, assigned Father Arnold Renz and Pastor Ernst Alt with the order to perform "The Great Exorcism" on Anneliese Michel. The basis for this ritual was the "Rituale Romanum", which was still, at the time, a valid Cannon Law from the 17th century. It was determined that Anneliese must be saved from the possession by several demons, including Lucifer, Judas Iscariot, Nero, Cain, Hitler, and Fleischmann, a disgraced Frankish Priest from the 16th century, and some other damned souls which had manifested through her. From September '75 until July '76, one or two exorcism sessions were held each week. Anneliese's attacks were sometimes so strong that she would have to be held down by 3 men, or even chained up. During this time, Anneliese found her life somewhat return to normal as she could again go to school, take final examinations at the Pedagogic Academy in Wurzburg, and go to church.

The attacks, however, did not stop. In fact, she would more often find herself paralyzed and falling unconscious than before. The exorcism continued over many months, always with the same prayers and incantations. Sometimes family members and visitors, like one married couple that claims to have "discovered" Anneliese, would be present during the rituals. For several weeks, Anneliese denied all food. Her knees ruptured due to the 600 genuflections she performed obsessively during the daily exorcism. Over 40 audio tapes record the process, in order to preserve the details.

The last day of the Exorcism Rite was on June 30th, 1976, and Anneliese was suffering at this point from Pneumonia. She was also totally emaciated, and running a high fever. Exhausted and unable to physically perform the genuflections herself, her parents stood in and helped carry her through the motions. "Beg for Absolution" is the last statement Anneliese made to the exorcists. To her mother, she said, "Mother, I'm afraid." Anna Michel recorded the death of her daughter on the following day, July 1st, 1976, and at noon, Pastor Ernst Alt informed the authorities in Aschaffenburg. The senior prosecutor began investigating immediately.

A short time before these final events unfolded, William Friedkin's "The Exorcist" (1974) came to the cinemas in Germany, bringing with it a wave of paranormal hysteria that flooded the nation. Psychiatrists all over Europe reported an increase of obsessive ideas among their patients. Prosecutors took more than 2 years to to take Annaliese's case to court, using that time to sort through the bizarre facts. Anneliese's parents and the two exorcists were accused of negligent homocide. The "Klingenberg Case" would be decided upon two questions: What caused the death of Anneliese Michel, and who was responsible?

According the forensic evidence, "Anneliese starved to death". Specialists claimed that if the accused would have begun with forced feeding one week before her death, Anneliese's life would have been saved. One sister told the court that Anneliese did not want to go to a mental home where she would be sedated and forced to eat. The exorcists tried to prove the presence of the demons, playing taped recordings of strange dialogues like that of two demons arguing about which one of them would have to leave Anneliese's body first. One of the demons called himself Hitler, and spoke with a Frankish accent (Hitler was born in Austria). Not one of those present during the exorcism ever had a doubt about the authenticity of the presence of these demons.

The psychiatrists, whom had been ordered to testify by the court, spoke about the "Doctrinaire Induction". They said that the priests had provided Anneliese with the contents of her psychotic behavior. Consequentially, they claimed, she later accepted her behavior as a form of demonic possession. They also offered that Anneliese's unsettled sexual development, along with her diagnosed Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, had influenced the psychosis.

The verdict was considered by many as not as harsh as they expected. Anneliese's parents, as well as the exorcists, were found guilty of manslaughter resulting from negligence and omitting first aid. They were sentenced to 6 months in jail and probation. The verdict included the opinion of the court that the accused should have helped by taking care of the medical treatment that the girl needed, but instead, their use of naive practices aggrivated Anneliese's already poor constitution.

A commission of the German Bishop-Conference later declared that Anneliese Michel was not possessed, however, this did not keep believers from supporting her struggles, and it was because so many believed in her that Anneliese's body did not find peace with death. Her corpse was exhumed eleven and a half years after her burial, only to confirm that it had decayed as would have been expected under normal circumstances. Today, her grave remains a place of pilgrimage for rosary-praying and for those who believe that Anneliese Michel bravely fought the devil.

In 1999, Cardinal Medina Estevez presented journalists in Vatican-City the new version of the "Rituale Romanum" that has been used by the Catholic Church since 1614. The updates came after more than 10 years of editing and is called "De exorcismis et supplicationibus quibusdam" otherwise known as "The exorcism for the upcoming millennium". The Pope approbated the new Exorcism Rite, which is now allowed for worldwide use. This new form of exorcism came after the German Bishop-Conference demanded to ultimately abolish the "Rituale Romanum". It also came more than 20 years after Anneliese Michel had died.

Editor's Note: I want to thank my buddie NodNShrug for editing the article and translating it from my Austrian-English to proper English. I'm sure he had as much work with it as I had writing it. Feedback ? Email rene@moviesonline.ca
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Thank God that just your opinion. Phew, we'd be in a lot of trouble. Besides, wonder where THESE PSYCHOLOGY BOOKS were when Jesus walked the earth?
I have seen possession first hand. It isn't anything like the movies. Even though it did portray it somewhat as in real life, no one here will ever tell me it's all in the head. There are somethings out there that just can't no be explained with books or even plain logic.

my best friend was possessed he had to have an exorcism done I seen it first hand....ain't nuttin like the movie I will tell ya that!!!!

I have to admit, Emily Rose was a bit lop sided, the thing that really pissed me off was that it looked like a moving and contrversial film, instead it left me dissapointed, I think what they need to do is to try and re-construct the film, at least add more that has to do with "Emily" herself not this blah blah blah!

Also, take a look at some of the dialouge, now I'll say they did an okay job, but yes it was in fact very boring, the only good parts had to have been when it actually included the person it was about, and the exorcism scene "one, two, three, four five, six! TREATS AND TRICKS!" my god what a piece of crap, leave that garbage out, in a way when people go overboard and don't show the full extent of the reality that occurs with possession, it often has it's negative comebacks, it's reputation not only affects the associates and producers, it affects the church as well, the more these movies are cut out as "interesting" and "worthwhile" is at one point when you've actually got the attention of these people that in such a way if it's compelling enough you may end up have some believers coming out of the cinema, however, this film in many ways failed to deliver, for this I am very upset and frustrated, as well as dissapointed, I mean come on, please, try to make the film entertaining but real, and in the same time give people that spook their looking for, not the courtroom drama, it's irritating, I know.

Notice also that Laura Linney states:

"Medical treatment was not the answer for Emily, because she simply did not suffer from a medical condition, Emily Roses' condition was in fact, demonic possession"

Later in the movie:

"But this trial isn't about facts it's about possibilites"

My god, retardom is growing faster than demon-possession itself!!!!

exactly