Is it so rediculus to believe that these creatures exist? Is it so amazing a thought? If so then how rediculus a thought is it that gods son came down to earth birthed from a virgin and turned water to wine, healed people then was murdered only to be reincarnated? How rediculus a thought is it to believe that Buddha sit under a tree for 20 years? If you take an idea and refer to it as rediculus then you must look back and ask yourself just how rediculus your own beliefs are.

Another one. Geez.

Yes it is ridiculous to believe in Werewolfs. What the hell is wrong with you ???? Do you honestly, deep down in your real mind believe that a human can twist and transform into a wolf for a full Moon? Before you answer that, look yourself in the mirror.

What the hell even leads you to believe that you know anybody's religion in here, how do you manage to compare the two or three?? Can't think of anything cool to say, so I'll borrow a line from the Vampire thread?

You do not have to attack what you do not understand to attempt to fortify your own fantasy beliefs. Making a comparison like that does not explain anything.

How ridiculous is it that people take stories that were created to entertain adults and scare children and need to turn them into reality???

Just for you Brother_Werewolf. There are texts that refer to the carpenter of Jerusalem, he is also mentioned in the book of Enoch. There are genuine refrences in recognised historical texts. Look some stuff up next time before you come in here blaspheming and ranting crap. How about you show me one genuine piece of evidence relating to Werewolves? Just one would do.
I mean, think about it. Even calendars today are based on the year that Jesus was thought to have been born. “Dates before that year are listed as B.C., or before Christ,” explains The World Book Encyclopedia. “Dates after that year are listed as A.D., or anno Domini (in the year of our Lord).”
Respected historian Will Durant argued: “That a few simple men should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a personality, so lofty an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded in the Gospels.”

Now I have a question for you - Ask yourself: Could a person who never lived have affected human history so remarkably?

Werewolves more likely than Jesus, seriously buddy, you oughta be tarred and feathered for that stupid comment. I wouldn't say it too loud in public. Men in white coats will take an instant liking to you.

Seriously, think before you speak.

You seem to have gotten a little more angry then I would have thought. At so simple a question I do not take any offence to your comments however and would just like to formally state that anyone who may have been offended by my "Blaspheming" I apologize to you. Though I did expect more then afew christians to be on these forums, I do not claim to know per say exactly what your religion is.
I do respect your religion and will not deny it's credibility though I will say that the story of Jesus Christ I personnally find to be more then a little off. His existence however is something I will not deny it is whether or not he is the mesiah that I will deny or whether or not he truely did what he did.
I do however find that you have not shown me nor anyone else who believes in the possibility of werewolves any respect with your cruel statements and though I will not even request an apology as I know you will not give me one I must say your action regarding my statements were thoughtless and blind.
You also may have missinterpreted my meaning.

Thank you for your apology.
I would be happy to apologise if you could possibly explain your way out of this one. Not knowing a religion and then attemtpting to make a comparison is bound to cause this reaction, as you say you have read my posts, surely you expected this. It was not a simple little question, it was a comparison of a faith with story book telling. Most people would find that rude. I find that all religious people I have had the pleasure of dealing with, although somewhat overenthusistic at times devote their entire lives to helping their fellow person. What commitment!! That is an ideal I respect wholeheartedly and get offended when people compare these selfless people with silly mystery creatures of the dark such as Werewolves or Vampires.



Now that is assuming my religion/beliefs, and rubishing them. Perhaps I have misundertstood you, but that is how I read it.

You personally find the idea of Jesus Christ "a lttle off' for two reasons. You obviously have not read the Bible, and Jesus just is never going to be all that cool amongst Teenagers. Much cooler to be a Werewolf or a Vampire. It has always been like than, unfortunately, likely it always will be.
I discount the possibility of Werewolves because they are 1 - Borne from storytelling and Misinterpretation. and 2- It is simply a physical impossibility. Dead set, think about it. I hope to prompt you 'believers' into getting cheesed with me, proving me wrong, researching and finding out for yourself the REAL TRUTH. Not what you want to be true. I expected a big silly debate with you, but have found your initial approach a great deal more mature than I have seen in the past from orther believers in myth (hence my terse attitude) I do not expect one single person to change their attitude, but if I can help one to start thinking clearly, that is a good thing. So much talent, such young flexible minds, could be computing the way to traverse the light barrier, but no, most kids wanna be a wolf or a vamp cause it's cool.
My actions regarding your statements were not thoughtless and blind. They were structured and focused. You statments attacked a true faith that you have no inlikng of. You post is very cryptic, at one point you say



Then you say



So, are you saying you respect Christianity but disrespect what it is about? Contradiction or what?? What exactly are you saying here?

If you wish to discuss the Legend of the Werewolf, I think you might find me a lot easier to get along with Belief in fantasy creatures and superstitions drive me crazy. The human race is better than this.

YOU! who let you out of the shoe box!! shoo! SHOO! *pulls out broom* Werewolfs arnt real

*sings* "Blasphemy, Blaspheyou, Blasphe-everybodyintheroom..."

*ahem* Sorry, Eddie Izzard moment, couldn't resist.

My father is a hairy man.

He growls when he is sh**ty,

And if hungry enough, i think he would eat raw meat

Maybe werewolves do excist!!!

Ha werewolves exist, and i belive so because i do, theres been so many sightings, photo's, drawings, and werewolves even go back to pre-bible in cave drawings and so on.

I also believe they exist. I think they are interdimensional and stay in the form of half wolf/half man. I base this belief on the photos I have taken coupled with the long lasting legends.

Never seen a photo of a Werewolf. Is the photo during transition or at full phase ?

Seeming as you have seen it, you wouldn't mind posting a photo would you? I would love to have a look at any of this evidence.

Are you refering to the Bray Road Beast when you refer to sightings?

Many photos? Where? The only photo I've ever seen of a werewolf is this one:

I think the belief that they are interdimensional is interesting. I never really thought about that before. However, I think that most werewolf stories stem from the native american belief in shapeshifting, which is still widely practiced today. Although, only master shamans were supposed to be able to actual transform their body into that of the animal that possessed them. . .of course that could be a form of glamour which would come if the spirit of the animal and the shaman were really powerful. So, actually, you would see the wolf in front of you, but the man's body wouldn't have really changed. These days most shamans only get possessed by the spirit of the animal, but they don't actually appear as that animal.

Shapeshifting was usually used in a positive way, however. It was a way to connect with the animal and learn from it. . .Werewolves are usually depicted as vicious maneaters. . .so that makes me wonder, maybe the native american shapeshifting practice and werewolves aren't as connected as many believe. The werewolves generally referred to recently are usually giant wolf-like creatures, and most of the time, there is no mention of the "man" that may have turned into it. Maybe they aren't people that turn into wolves at all, maybe they really are an evil (and I really hate to use that term) interdimensional being that is a wolf-like creature all the time. . .or maybe it's able to shapeshift into other forms. . .

that was a lot, and glad to see someone who doesn't actually critisize.

Well - you did ask.

Just so happens most people like to rely on reality Discussing the legend and how it came about and evolved, not to mention it's many facets would most likely provoke a far more amicable environment.

How about presenting a logical argument to the critics?? Beat us on our own ground? That ought to give some credibility to the 'blind belief brigade' argument. Might even gain some more support, I doubt it, but I am keeping an open mind

One of those photos would be a good start, how about it Jim. Can you post one of the ones you refer to please.

Convert (even convice will suffice) me. It's a dare

grr Cant find any photo's, but look at the evidence, theres supposed sightings, stories in the bible and pre-bible, theres even stories that in early times they would burn/toture werewolves, which sounds like them. and if werewolves had some kind of gene that makes them werewolf like, that would probaly explain the "mexican wolf boy".

Maybe Batboy is a shapeshifter?

Annie

Grrr. There is no photo because none exist.

Do you realise the evidence you are puting forward here?

Supposed sightings mean just that. Supposed.

Stories in the bible would be metaphorical. Like the burning bush.

Burn torture Werewolves ey, they used to do that to Witches too. Thank goodness someone had enough sense to stop that. Witches do not seem to be all that harmful to todays society. They certainly don't do the horrific feats as described in stories from early times.

Wolf boy. Well, unfortunately Larry was born with an extremely rare genetic disease called Congenital Hypertrichosis. No Werewolf Genes.

Glad you are searching the net for confirming evidence You will come to the true conclusion soon

Grrr.

With all the grr-ing, psyche, I fear you may be turning into a werewolf! Oh noes! If you do happen to transform, make sure to snap a pic. It'd be the first and only piece of evidence.

hahaha. . .copy it and send it to me so I can sell it to The Weekly World News. haha

^^ Bwahahahaha, Good one. Nearly there, just need an incantation from a few pages back, a hollowlog, a polariod and a bottle of Panadol Forte (I imagine all that transforming is gonna be painful)
NP, you guys get the First copy.

Grr.

Here are my examples collectively (some of them again) of wolf/human anomalies. I'm backing you up here Jim The Lycan because I believe there is something to this whole werewolf thing, too.

it's hard to see it, but you can make it up. It looks like it was drawn.

An excellent source for loads of info and a good read too... Link

After reading this, I'm still not right sure where Wererabbits fit in...

True, true. But I promise I did not make any of this up (assuming you are talking about my photos, Dreamhunter). I understand your questioning of them and in the end you will have to decide if you think the photos are genuine. Or even if you do think they are genuine if they even mean anything or anything about werewolves.

I have enhanced most of the photos, but the main material was already in place. I simply brightened all of them (taken in dark of night). I enlarged the portion that shows the anomaly. Then on the wolf I dabbed a bit of yellow where the iris is so you can see the eyes better, which gives you a focal point for the wolf. On the dog in the bottom left, I did darken the line that indicates his neck, and then of course on the photo next to it I cut it out the best I could tell where the dog seemed to begin and end. It is interpretive though, true. But the eye, I did not touch. Here is the original that has only been brightened and enlarged (no interpretations from me).

I love Wikipedia. Isn't it great that someone went to the trouble to provide such extensive information for free.

Like to draw attention to two main things that stand out in this link (save the true believers a click)

The first six words say all you need to know.



I knew it was only a matter of time till Vampires and Werewolves hooked up!!!

Now a little something from that page in a bold heading



Note the last word in that heading.......

This page provides information on the Legend of the Werewolf and how the origins may have developed. A good read, it provides no proof of the existance of such a creature, nor does it endorse the possibility. I liked the Armenian tradition. I had not heard that legend before.
Speaking of Wererabbits, I wonder whatever happened to our Werepenguin. Saw the movie last week, funny

Dead set, what I see in the pic (RHS as you face the pic) is the Linux Penguin. No disrespect intended.

Interesting photos you get there Alisa
The 1st on the bottom row, looks quite realistic I would love to see more when you get some ^^

Thanks Devil's Dog. I hope I get more of these guys in my photos to post!

Ummmm Alisa........

Werewolves are very bad by nature, killing people, no survivors, mutilations - stuff like that.

If you feel you are really in contact with such a creature, are you sure it is a good idea to persist? Bringing such evil into one's house might be a bad idea. Should such a thing be real, it's main agenda would be destruction of human life wouldn't it, either physically or metaphysically?

Just a thought.

Oh synchronicity. I was just thinking about the wolves and was going to write something on how they might look a bit tough on the outside, but at their core they are friendly. Ha, ha.

Seriously though, thanks for caring. And honestly, except for the popular culture and movies, I have never even thought about werewolves. The first time I saw the wolf in my photo, it was so intense to me that I had to take a day to ponder this and wonder if it could be something other than good. When I woke from a dream the next morning, I had the thought/message that the wolf is my friend, so I decided he must be.

I guess I don't believe in the whole idea of werewolves as being people who change into them and attacking others, though I can't say I know for sure as I have no experience in this area. Sure, it seems far fetched, but so does fairies!

Honestly, I don't believe in evil, just varying degrees of goodness.

^ Ohh, I certainly belive if you have one, you must have the other, all evidence through time has pointed to that IMHO. This is one thing that even science and religion agree on.
Balance. Good and Evil. For every action, there must be an equal and oppostite re-action. I am sure I could convince you of evil with one or two links, very easily. It exists, and be wary of it. Of this I am 100% certain, and you know how skeptical I am. I do not make light of the subject of evil.
Sounds like what you believe in is more of a spirit guide than a Werewolf.

I think this is wrong, there oviously is something to believe because so many people believe it. Plus, This animal has been feared for senturys, if its been believed for that long theres oviously something to it.

Yes Jim is right.

Eric i see that you don't believe in them at all & think they are fake. I would love to see all the "Prove" you have that they are fake.

To damn right lol.

Well something is in the myth whether it be real or just a fear that was used many centurys ago.

Could they survive yes, could they be real yes. Many questions but has there been real sightings? or any real occurances?

Anything in reality can be real eg a fish with 12 mouths could be in theory real, or a man with 4 legs, 8 arms and 2 noses.

But really do i believe in Werewolfs does me not going out alone on full moon nights answer it lol

Personaly, I think werewolves are real, more real mabye then the kraken, which they have hard evidence for! theres notations of werewolves in the bible, and pre-bible, i mean look at the mexican wolf boy! plus, mabye a werewolf is a for-legged animal, but like a bare is rears up when attacking, that why people think its a biped.

I found another werewolf whilst digging through my photos so I've made a separate werewolf gallery now, amidst the spirits, orbs, and fairies photos , for anyone interested in having a look.

http://www.metawake.info/pages/werewolf.html

It's possible but unlikely in other words; my opinion is they're fake.
though I got to admit it's very entertaining hearing werewolve hoaxes,and
seeing movies about them!

WTF????????????????????

How do you come to that conclusion??? I assume you mean the giant or collosus squid, not Kraken?

As someone who has twice been seen to adopt a wolf form alongside human form (once I was seen with leonine and reptilian as well as human), I cannot rule out that it is possible to adopt full wolf form; however this is not the ficticious transformation between human and wolf(man) - but it is a manifestation of 'spirit' (for want of a better term here). Those of you looking for evidence of physical transformation are on the wrong track

Literal rapid physical transformation, involving tissue changing into the tissue analogue within another species, is so impractical as to be a biological impossibility.

That said, you can't truly say that werewolves don't exist, since everyone is free to have their own definitions, both of the nature of a werewolf and the nature of existence. The modern conception of a werewolf as a man who physically changes periodically into a half-man/half-wolf form (similar to a bear or gorilla) and is nearly invulnerable to attacks not made with silver bears no resemblance to ancient beliefs. The silver vulnerability was attributed to werewolves first in the Lon Chaney movie "The Wolf Man." The same goes for the vulnerability to the herb wolfsbane. Also, ancient werewolves were always said to take the form of a wolf, not a bipedal monster (even if some old French illustrations show a werewolf standing on two feet to attack, this is not included in the original testimony, only in the artists' conceptions).

What is a werewolf, then? It is what Medieval man feared as they walked the dark woodland roads before the advent of electric light: a savage beast with the intelligence of a man, killing as a human murderer kills, for pleasure, rather than as an animal kills, for food or defense.

The somatic delusions which have led some to feel themselves turning into animals have been around for a very long time, and account for most cases of psychological lycanthropy. The term delusion may even be misleading, as the perception is convincing and immersive enough to define that person's "reality." No one, after all, can directly perceive reality; we are restricted to perceiving the indirect effects of reality; therefore, reality looks different to all observers.

Consider also the possibility that a transition between one form and another may be made without tissue transformation, without biological mechanisms. What would be the experience if you were to tune your perception to another level of reality, one in which you were something other than human? The existence of other universes can be demonstrated by quantum physics, and consciousness is not understood by any science.

There are, therefore, more questions available than answers.

GT

Hmm, but they do exsist in the dreaming world. I look at it more of connecting to your animal spirit side or something. I guess I will just tell you what I had happen and you can make of it what you want. I would like to say first up that Im not someone who liked wolves and thats why I dreamt them etc. I just happened to dream them and I followed the flow of the dreams as I was learning to lucidly dream. I'll just try keep it quick..

I used to dream that I was being chased by a creature through a forest. It had been hunting me in my dreams every now and then for over maybe a year. Usually I couldnt see it because I just kept running.. anyway this one time I found myself in like a break in the woods where a house was and basically to keep it short I got to see the creature which was a huge wolf like thing just like outta the movies. It killed everyone very quickly and as I was trying to climb away it saw me and lept onto me with its teeth into my shoulder. I freaked out and woke up.

Then because I was learning to control my dreams really well I kept telling myself that next time that wolf came I would stand up to it and slay it because I was very focused on that kind of thing at the time. I was learning martial arts etc. Anyway it came back a few months later and because I had trained myself to stand up to the fear of it, I did. As soon as I dreamt the creature it triggered me into having a fully lucid dream so I slayed it. I was on a jetty at night and as it ran towards me I reached behind my back and pulled out double uzis and blasted it, which only slightly slowed down its attack run. So I pulled out a long chinese pike thingy and pinned it extremely quickly before sidestepping and cutting its head off with my katana. It was very fast and nicely done if I may say so. I saw the head floating in the water and it had turned back into a human head which was female.

Ok so I had FINALLY slayed this creature that had been stalking me for ages. It felt great! it was one of the best dreams.. action packed and just plain cool. I was very happy because I had no other nightmares.. I had killed my nightmare in a lucid dream. I knew I had been biten by the wolf though and I guess that mustve sunk in because the jetty dream was a 'there can be only one' kind of dream. Anyway so the next time I had a lucid dream I just knew I could go wolf.. I had taken the coat from the kill kinda so I used it.

So I shapeshifted in the lucid dream very easily into what I call a standing wolf(werewolf). What I noticed straight away was the power feeling and the animal nature take control over the normal mind. Over the years I mellowed and my standing wolf which is very much a fighting wolf became the running wolf(a normal wolf)because I really love to run and its apart of a technique I made to trigger me into both lucidity and wolf at the same time. I found that if I run with my hands during a lucid dream it makes me shapeshift into the wolf and I run even faster. So now when I run in normal dreams, I run on my hands naturally to go fast, which inturn makes me go lucid and wolf at all at once. Which is pretty clever I thought.

Anyway I choose to think about them in a dreaming way which does kinda effect the waking world through changes in the dreamer imo. So to me they are.. kinda real.

I like this part of your theory Monarch17. The wolf/men images I have captured appear similarly to the spirit figures, etc., I've captured (collaged with the background of the physical landscape). I knew they were not in this dimension, as I could not see them without the camera captures. I do not know if they are current in time, something of the past, mythology made real, or what, but these wolf/men exist "somewhere".

And Kazahel, your description of your lucid dream abilities and dream experience with the wolf was utterly fascinating. Particularly the part about the wolf head being female, and of you consistently being able to access the wolf attributes now. I've enjoyed and learned from your posts.

Consider this:

If the phenomena that you are experiencing are not within your conventional scope of space and time, then they are not where you were pointing the camera. They couldn't be anywhere in particular, or anywhen, within what you normally define as the universe. Therefore, they entered your perception at a different point; within your consciousness itself.

Like many esoteric forces, they exist within your mind, but even the image in your mind is merely the reflection of the true, unseen source.

GT

i think i've mention it a long time ago. assume someone who was not familiar with a giant man-like beast that was covered with fur and bears large fangs. however he is familiar with wolves. now assume one full moon night, while hunting in the forest or looking for a sheep lost from it's flock..he hears this blood chiling howl..he thinks t's a wolf...so he comes to investigate and comes upon this giant of a man-like figure...body covered with hair...stood up over the carcass of the dead sheep.. since the man has no known animal to base his sightings on...he compiles from what he sees and hears and rationalize the only explanation.... that it's a man-wolf.. a werewolf. since it howls like a wolf in the night.. it growls and bear large fanks and teeth.. but stands like a man. with hair much like an animal all over it's body and face... we know from description that it sounds like a bigfoot like creature. but to the first person who happens on this animal in our ancestors distant past...he believed that he just witnessed a werewolf. and so the story gets passed down to today.

Thanks GT, I'm trying to understand...are you saying that the wolfmen do exist somewhere then, but that it is my consciousness that is reflecting them from "elsewhere" and onto the photograph?

I can understand that the wolfmen would be my consciousness's (whew), or rather my soul's interpretation of them and therefore not identical to other's interpretations. But one thing is for sure, I did not consciously ever think about wolfmen as being real, nor did I picture them looking anything like they do in my photos, so I can be sure I didn't consciously create them or intend to pick up on them. I didn't even recognize the canine attributes of the first wolfman on the first viewing of his photographed image. I just thought it was a man.

Any thoughts as to why I (or anyone) would experience this--have these images enter the consciousness. I was "looking" to capture the paranormal with my camera, but I am still trying to figure out why canines and wolves figure so heavily into my captures. At least I can rule out previous interest. Now I'm delving into historical "myth" and finding some answers there. I'd appreciate any knowledge you could give.

Don't mistake the term "consciousness" for "imagination." By consciousness, I am referring to your perceptual frame, as it exists after input from all senses and integrative processes. This includes both those impressions of which you are aware, and all those impressions which do not emerge into your conscious world. Your perception (not your imagination) matched an image it found in the photograh with something coming in from other sources, and made a connection, much like you make a connection between the sound coming from the television and the movement of the actors' lips. I won't say that it has to do with ESP, since the brain can construct valid information simply by interpreting very subtle trends in those senses which are already known (I'm not denying that ESP exists, but it needn't exist for these purposes).

The "lupine" form in the photograph would exist regardless of who looked at it, but is largely a product of the chaos of light and shadow. This is like images of the Virgin Mary that appear in patches of mold on the side of a refrigerator, or the face on Mars; they aren't actually the Virgin Mary, or a face, but they are recognized as such by minds searching for them. But, like a person doing a Tarot reading, you looked at a symbol which others could miss, and found it to match what your other senses were telling you.

Essentially, from a less scientifically phrased perspective, you saw something in the spirit world. It's not invisible, only inobvious. It is only invisible to others because they aren't looking at if from the right angle.

That's my two cents.

Monarch

But, the old descriptions don't discuss "wolf-man" hybrids. In the old stories, it was always a wolf when it attacked, and a man the rest of the time. What you are describing sounds very like a slow-witted farmer who sees a bear in dim light and decides it must be the offspring of a man and a wolf, just because it's upright and hairy.

Old stories of hairy man-like creatures describe them as "hairy man-like creatures." Sasquatch, the Yeti, the Alma, and the rest are recognized when they are seen as distinct beings, not hybrids. This isn't to be taken as evidence for their existence, but it does demonstrate that ancient people were able to at least observe their environment.

GT

Numerous cultures all over the world believe in some version of a Skinwalker, which is closely related to beliefs about werewolves and other "were" creatures. The best documented Skinwalker beliefs are those of the Navajo yenaldooshi.

There is a lot of talk about skinwalkers these days. I think some have even taken to haunting the Internet.... For instance, I saw one at a site called squidoo.com/sexmagic

Could he be real?

maybe, it's a possibilty

I have posted about the subject of werewolves before, and I will probably continue to do so, for a while anyway. I became interested in the werewolf myth when I was 14, and I have been researching the subject as a kind of hobby ever since. It's been over 20 years now, and in all that time, I have learned a few things. The first is that good information is hard to come by, and even that is suspect. The second is that I now believe that the legend of the werewolf may have it's roots in another legendary creature. The Cynocephali. Cynocephali is Latin for "dog heads", they are one of the better known monsterous races. However, there is precious little writen about them in any case. Some examples of Cynocephali though could be the Egyptian god Anubis, or his predessessor Wepwawet. Both are canine headed "humans" although in Wepwawet's case, he has sometimes been assosiated with a wolf instead of a jackal. There are others, like Xolotl, an Aztec god, very simmilar to Wepwawet, and Nahua the Mayan dog of lightning and death. I am not saying such beings existed, although, I am also not saying it's impossible either. The Beast of Bray road and the Michigan dogman could be described as Cynocephali. And they certainly have been called werewolves by some. As for the transformation, I do believe that might be possible. In theory, it could be done with an engeneered virus, designed to resequence DNA. Since DNA is self replicating the transformation would take care of itself. I wouldn't call this method very pleasant though, or safe. Such a transformation would likely take days, if not weeks to complete and would likely make the subject very ill and cause great discomfort. Death is a strong possibility if things aren't done correctly. Also there would be a practical limit to what form the subject could be transformed into. A half human, half wolf hybrid (in the case of a Wolfen) would be the most practical, shape and size wise. Hey, that sounds like the description of a Cynocephali now, doesn't it? I think I prefer the term Wolfen instead of Cynocephali though, it's easier on the tounge. Just some stuff to make people think.

Good Journey.

Kyle Rajasthan.