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^ Here we go again ...
QUOTE(Tornado @ Mar 9 2006, 11:38 PM) [snapback]1097340[/snapback]
^ Here we go again ...
Your point being?
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 10 2006, 06:28 AM) [snapback]1098154[/snapback]
Your point being?
My point being: exponential_sly_de seems to be able to recognise an Indigo Child(?) from one small comment.
There's now a thread about "Star Children." The person who started the thread made no mention of this, probably because she didn't know about it, but "Star Children" are the alleged offspring of aliens and humans.
There's also another label out there, a group calling themselves "Crystal Children."
It's amazing how many names there are for all these "gifts" so to speak.
There's also another label out there, a group calling themselves "Crystal Children."
It's amazing how many names there are for all these "gifts" so to speak.
Well if one group gets crowded you just make up another name and there you go. You are all special again...
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There's now a thread about "Star Children." The person who started the thread made no mention of this, probably because she didn't know about it, but "Star Children" are the alleged offspring of aliens and humans.
There's also another label out there, a group calling themselves "Crystal Children."
It's amazing how many names there are for all these "gifts" so to speak.
Yes, I noticed.
There are many different ways to explain something and in general for each different way there is are different terms. Pretty much though is part of the world at large, so more or less a cultural issue and not really specific to any particular vocation. The whole subject of hybrids between aliens and humans, demons and humans and even angels and humans is quite vast (both in relation to the present and the past). If one were to list the various numbers of titles, that list would in all probability be quite long and in all probability about as long as the matter of flood myths.
So in fact it's not really so remarkable that different names or variations in terms do exist in relation to that particular subject nor in any way is it culturally insignificant.
And this of course brings us back to the matter of debunking the debunkers........
Any thoughts?
So in fact it's not really so remarkable that different names or variations in terms do exist in relation to that particular subject nor in any way is it culturally insignificant.
And this of course brings us back to the matter of debunking the debunkers........
Any thoughts?
WHY are some physicists suddenly so interested in the human mind? Is mind as real as matter? A few have even begun wondering whether mind may be the "real reality" and matter a deceptive illusion. What is it about mental activities that causes such smart people to offer such wild speculations? Part of the reason is the weird implications of two fundamental theories that have changed forever our sense of reality: quantum mechanics, which injects uncertainty into the subatomic scale, and relativity, which unifies space and time on the large-scale structure of the universe. But can theories of physics explain mechanisms of the mind? Can the behavior of atoms determine the behavior of people? Can the structure of the universe describe how we think, feel, and know? We assembled an impressive group of physics-friendly guests to guide us through some remarkable territory.
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PARTICIPANTS
Dr. Gregory Benford is a professor of physics at the University of California at Irvine where he specializes in plasma and astrophysics. Greg is also a well-known writer of science fiction, in which he has used quantum mechanics to create a whole new universe.
Dr. David Chalmers is a professor of philosophy and co-director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona. Dave believes that the mind cannot be explained by brain alone.
Dr. John Searle is a leading philosopher of mind at the University of California, Berkeley. John asserts that the mind comes only from processes in the brain and there is no special need to invoke quantum physics.
Dr. James Trefil is a professor of physics at George Mason University and a prolific science writer. Jim claims not to be bothered by the "quantum weirdness" of the subatomic world.
Dr. Fred Alan Wolf is a theoretical physicist and author of books on the relationship between quantum physics and consciousness. Fred says some extraordinary things about reality.
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http://www.closertotruth.com/topics/mindbr...transcript.html
Any thoughts?
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PARTICIPANTS
Dr. Gregory Benford is a professor of physics at the University of California at Irvine where he specializes in plasma and astrophysics. Greg is also a well-known writer of science fiction, in which he has used quantum mechanics to create a whole new universe.
Dr. David Chalmers is a professor of philosophy and co-director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona. Dave believes that the mind cannot be explained by brain alone.
Dr. John Searle is a leading philosopher of mind at the University of California, Berkeley. John asserts that the mind comes only from processes in the brain and there is no special need to invoke quantum physics.
Dr. James Trefil is a professor of physics at George Mason University and a prolific science writer. Jim claims not to be bothered by the "quantum weirdness" of the subatomic world.
Dr. Fred Alan Wolf is a theoretical physicist and author of books on the relationship between quantum physics and consciousness. Fred says some extraordinary things about reality.
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http://www.closertotruth.com/topics/mindbr...transcript.html
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Abstract
R. Hyman (1994) raises two major points about D. J. Bem and C. Honorton's (1994) article on the psi ganzfeld experiments. First, he challenges the claim that the results of the autoganzfeld experiments are consistent with the earlier database. Second, he expresses concerns about the adequacy of the randomization procedures. In response to the first point, I argue that our claims about the consistency of the autoganzfeld results with the earlier database are quite modest and challenge his counterclaim that the results are inconsistent with it. In response to his methodological point, I present new analyses that should allay apprehensions about the adequacy of the randomization procedures.
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I am pleased that Ray Hyman, one of parapsychology's most knowledgeable and skeptical critics, concurs with Charles Honorton and me on so many aspects of the autoganzfeld experiments: the soundness of their methodology, the clear rejection of the null hypothesis, and, of course, the need for further replication. I hope this brief response will further augment our areas of agreement.
Hyman raises two major points about our article. First, he challenges our claim that the results of the autoganzfeld studies are consistent with those in the earlier database. Second, he expresses concerns about the "incomplete justification of the adequacy of the randomization procedures" and speculates that inadequate randomization may have interacted with subject or experimenter response biases to produce artifactual results.
http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/psy2.html
Any thoughts?
R. Hyman (1994) raises two major points about D. J. Bem and C. Honorton's (1994) article on the psi ganzfeld experiments. First, he challenges the claim that the results of the autoganzfeld experiments are consistent with the earlier database. Second, he expresses concerns about the adequacy of the randomization procedures. In response to the first point, I argue that our claims about the consistency of the autoganzfeld results with the earlier database are quite modest and challenge his counterclaim that the results are inconsistent with it. In response to his methodological point, I present new analyses that should allay apprehensions about the adequacy of the randomization procedures.
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I am pleased that Ray Hyman, one of parapsychology's most knowledgeable and skeptical critics, concurs with Charles Honorton and me on so many aspects of the autoganzfeld experiments: the soundness of their methodology, the clear rejection of the null hypothesis, and, of course, the need for further replication. I hope this brief response will further augment our areas of agreement.
Hyman raises two major points about our article. First, he challenges our claim that the results of the autoganzfeld studies are consistent with those in the earlier database. Second, he expresses concerns about the "incomplete justification of the adequacy of the randomization procedures" and speculates that inadequate randomization may have interacted with subject or experimenter response biases to produce artifactual results.
http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/psy2.html
Any thoughts?
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Hyman raises two major points about our article. First, he challenges our claim that the results of the autoganzfeld studies are consistent with those in the earlier database. Second, he expresses concerns about the "incomplete justification of the adequacy of the randomization procedures" and speculates that inadequate randomization may have interacted with subject or experimenter response biases to produce artifactual results.
I remember reading something like that in a book called The Real-Life X-Files, about a guy who goes around putting various phenomena and urban legends to scientific testing (with remarkable objectivity). The same concern was raised, on the possibility that the testers may have either been tampering subtly with the results, or simply interpreting them in a positive manner when it wasn't justified.
Another concern was statistical. I can't remember exactly how he put it, but it had to with the p-value in a statistical test on how likely the results were. Something like how technically, the results, rather than being more confirmed over a larger number of tests, actually became less accurate. Still, we've got to applaud the Ganzfield testers for at least being willing to make an effort at attempting to scientifically test for even a marginal psi effect. Most so-called psychics don't even go near there.
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I have always been a bit of a rebel, in my own way, but usually not too extreme. It has always been my hope that people will think for themselves and think of others, but too often what I see is more nearly the opposite. There seem to be an abundance of people who would love to convince you of their opinion, even though all too often those folks are only echoing someone else’s opinion. Worse still, they would like to have you believe it is fact, so that they can overcome their own lingering doubts, though they probably never will anyway. In some ways, one would think that the truth can somehow be derived from how easy it is to convince other people, or at least that’s how it seems from the way certain people behave. The consensus-building process is a necessary part of any social interaction, but that does not mean that what’s real is what is most popular, or most apparent. Whether we’re talking about ordinary people, or about scientists, doctors, and other professionals, people need to compare their opinions with the rest of our community, and try to form a consensus to verify those beliefs, or validate them. It can often be demonstrated that the true facts are very different from what is evident, on the surface, however. I’m not saying that the obvious answer is always wrong, but I am convinced that many people would like to have someone else do the thinking for them, when it comes to weighty issues, rather than have the freedom to think for themselves. I also tend to believe that most of those we call skeptics are far too eager to cast away evidence and ideas, without due process of logic. Although skeptics have historically been the ones to reign in those who have gone too far afield, I believe that free thinking people now need to be more critical of skeptics than ever before, and to hold them accountable when they go too far,or where they cause harm in their efforts to control others. There are many areas where skeptical thinkers have held to a hard line, for a long time, but are now being compelled to open their eyes.
http://users.bestweb.net/~jond4u/doubting.html
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GB the Ganzfield studies are amongst the most well known of all the paranormal experiments I would not say it’s a household name but its actually pretty close.
As has often been cited the issue of statistics is ultimately one related to population in relation to the actual amount of people one is testing. So, if I test 1000 people and get a positive response for PSI what abut the other six and one half billion others??? So while such testing procedures might be good enough to chose a medication which treats a disease which is potentially terminal if you do not take medication, it’s not good enough
to establish PSI....and this is an issue.
A problem is that absolutes do corrupt absolutely and in the case of PSI blood pressure pills make people money.
Any thoughts?
As has often been cited the issue of statistics is ultimately one related to population in relation to the actual amount of people one is testing. So, if I test 1000 people and get a positive response for PSI what abut the other six and one half billion others??? So while such testing procedures might be good enough to chose a medication which treats a disease which is potentially terminal if you do not take medication, it’s not good enough
to establish PSI....and this is an issue.
A problem is that absolutes do corrupt absolutely and in the case of PSI blood pressure pills make people money.
Any thoughts?
More generally, we have learned that our colleagues' tolerance for any kind of theorizing about psi is strongly determined by the degree to which they have been convinced by the data that psi has been demonstrated. We have further learned that their diverse reactions to the data themselves are strongly determined by their a priori beliefs about and attitudes toward a number of quite general issues, some scientific, some not. In fact, several statisticians believe that the traditional hypothesis testing methods used in the behavioral sciences should be abandoned in favor of Bayesian analyses, which take into account a person's a priori beliefs about the phenomenon under investigation (e.g., Bayarri &h; Berger, 1991; Dawson, 1991).
In the final analysis, however, we suspect that both one's Bayesian a prioris and one's reactions to the data are ultimately determined by whether one was more severely punished in childhood for Type I or Type II errors.
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...and that's the story of how Triad played right into the hands of The Illuminati.
Is this the story of how Insight has begun to act externally upon his own stereotypes??
Insight, if you had any idea of whom you were talking to you would not waste your time with such hilarious comments. My advise is that you spend some quality time reviewing the posts made in this forum, at the very least to the extent you get some kind of realistic idea of who all the players are.
Now, by presenting the facts about extremist individuals who cleary are pathologically obsessed to the point of lying, cheating, stealing and destroying peoples carriers to
claim PSI is false how am I supporting the Illuminati??
Are you saying that when it comes to the Paranormal lying about it to others, cheating people who believe in it, stealing there money and destroying them is more important?
If this is what you truly believe please explain to all concerned why???
Any thoughts?
Insight, if you had any idea of whom you were talking to you would not waste your time with such hilarious comments. My advise is that you spend some quality time reviewing the posts made in this forum, at the very least to the extent you get some kind of realistic idea of who all the players are.
Now, by presenting the facts about extremist individuals who cleary are pathologically obsessed to the point of lying, cheating, stealing and destroying peoples carriers to
claim PSI is false how am I supporting the Illuminati??
Are you saying that when it comes to the Paranormal lying about it to others, cheating people who believe in it, stealing there money and destroying them is more important?
If this is what you truly believe please explain to all concerned why???
Any thoughts?
Insight, if you had any idea of whom you were talking to you would not waste your time with such hilarious comments. My advise is that you spend some quality time reviewing the posts made in this forum, at the very least to the extent you get some kind of realistic idea of who all the players are.
I didn't want to do this...I REALLY didn't want to do this...Dear God I didn't want to have to do this...it's so...petty....but...here goes...
Triad, look at how many posts you have comapred to how many posts I have. You have 605, I have 2288. I joined 17-November 04. You joined 14-December 05. I am member number 11942. You are member 27848.
Now ask yourself, who has been here longer, you or me? Who has made more posts, you or me? Who signed up first, you or me? They will tell you who is more active in these forums. It will either be you, or me. Numbers don't lie. You can check them yourself. I just copy and pasted them.
So the next time you decide that you know more about this "game" as you refer to it than I do, you may want to review who has had more experience in this particular forum.
You, or me.
I was gone for almost a year, and when I came back, people recognized me. Could you say the same about yourself?
You = 605
Me = 2288
I know the players. They know me.
There. It didn't feel good, but I did it. And I will never do it again.
Now, by presenting the facts about extremist individuals who cleary are pathologically obsessed to the point of lying, cheating, stealing and destroying peoples carriers to
claim PSI is false how am I supporting the Illuminati??
The fact that you don't know reveals how deep in dellusion you truely are. I don't fault you for it, for I am no pinnacle of preverbial perfection either. (that was alot of p's)
If you wan tto know how and why this plays into the grand scheme of one world order, you should perhaps PM me, because this isn'y the place to discuss such matters.
Don't expect a 50,000 word explination. My knowledge comes from years of research. But I am willing to explain the best I can, and try to point you in the right direction.
Are you saying that when it comes to the Paranormal lying about it to others, cheating people who believe in it, stealing there money and destroying them is more important?
If this is what you truly believe please explain to all concerned why???
Nope. That's not it at all. You just jumped to the very first conclusion you could think of. WHy would I support deception? And why would the exposure of deception play into the hands of the Elite? It wouldn't. Unless they were influencing it somehow.
Are they influencing it somehow?
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I have been posting at conspiracy forum on the internet since about the same time AOL was being operated from a garage. The computer I used then processed 1400 bits per second and was then considered top of the line. I sincerely have no concern in relation to who you think you know or, why you think it should be relevant to me and as far as the "game" not really interested in playing it (never have been).
This is not a thread about the Illuminati it is a thread about the deceptive behavior of extremist skeptics and if I thought taking about the Illuminati was important well then
I assure you, I would go to a forum where it was discussed. But in relation to elitist as is apparent, this thread does present that there is evidence to suggest they have something to do with suppressing PSI investigations.
So in that context I would say I disagree.... the elitist are the problem as to why PSI is
not common place and accepted by mainstream science.
Insight you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me and for the most part they appear way off, this thing about who has posted more here as relevant is major silly.
To be honest if you really want me to take you seriously I would suggest you back off the superiority trip you sound like your on drugs
And please try to control your urge to tell me the elitist are the Illuminati I have been there and done that….several more times than you have posted on this forum.
Any thoughts?
This is not a thread about the Illuminati it is a thread about the deceptive behavior of extremist skeptics and if I thought taking about the Illuminati was important well then
I assure you, I would go to a forum where it was discussed. But in relation to elitist as is apparent, this thread does present that there is evidence to suggest they have something to do with suppressing PSI investigations.
So in that context I would say I disagree.... the elitist are the problem as to why PSI is
not common place and accepted by mainstream science.
Insight you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me and for the most part they appear way off, this thing about who has posted more here as relevant is major silly.
To be honest if you really want me to take you seriously I would suggest you back off the superiority trip you sound like your on drugs
And please try to control your urge to tell me the elitist are the Illuminati I have been there and done that….several more times than you have posted on this forum.
Any thoughts?
Insight, man, c'mon, don't fall into Triad's M.O. You know he does it to everybody, and you're just playing right into his tactics.
Aquatus 1 remember when I used the name Toltec??
Must have been before my time.
You guys are so funny check this out I know of at least three PSI forums where they have a good sense of humor want to check them out and see what happens? 
check this out I know of at least three PSI forums where they have a good sense of humor want to check them out and see what happens?
The following is the version of the letter sent to Nature Correspondence originally, minus the references which are essentially the same as in the second version. The reason why it was not published in the journal, according to an editor to whom an enquiry was made as to its fate, was that they 'simply did not have the space for it'. When this was challenged, it was suggested that an additional problem was that I had not 'specifically refuted' points made by Crane in his review.
Perhaps. Or should we see instead an indication that there is some truth in the much-maligned sociologists' theory that science is to some extent a 'social construct'?
Much the same might be said concerning the response made by Physical Review A to criticisms of its having published within its pages a paper referring to parapsychology (see note). See also
review of book by Schiff
'Heretic' TV series
The original version of the letter follows:
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/nature1.html#nature
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Perhaps. Or should we see instead an indication that there is some truth in the much-maligned sociologists' theory that science is to some extent a 'social construct'?
Much the same might be said concerning the response made by Physical Review A to criticisms of its having published within its pages a paper referring to parapsychology (see note). See also
review of book by Schiff
'Heretic' TV series
The original version of the letter follows:
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/nature1.html#nature
Any thoughts?
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Any thoughts?
Yes. You use "Any thoughts?" Waaaaay too much.
And I predict that if no one responds, you will, in a day or two, post that you consider the lack of a response to indicate agreement with your point of view.
Yep thats exactly what will happen....
Ah, aquatus 1, finally a sensible mind.
Triad, you are an insolent child who copys literature from other websites and claims it as his own. You claim to know so very much, yet do nothing to back up said claims.
The reason you changed screen names is because you lost respect and attention from your last screen name, and had to fabricate a new false reality for yourself.
Triad, you are an insolent child who copys literature from other websites and claims it as his own. You claim to know so very much, yet do nothing to back up said claims.
The reason you changed screen names is because you lost respect and attention from your last screen name, and had to fabricate a new false reality for yourself.
Yes Aquatus I know I use it a lot..... Years ago I learned it was a good way to avoid a certain type of misunderstanding. I have been doing that for about 12 years I can apologize if it bothers you but I will not change it.
Bio-Mage huh?? What are you talking about?
Insight being called a child is quite a compliment for a man of my age
and I switch screen names from Toltec to Triad all the time. Toltec is reflective of my Native American heritage while Triad relates to my Oriental background.
As far "false realities" in my opinion I have yet to hear any real insight coming from you in relation to the topic. I have not made any claims in respect to any of these links being prepared by me and as far as why they are posted, the reason is to present that there are forms of Skepticism which are Pathological and how to debunk them.
Just like I am doing with you "Insight" in another thread after all you are lying
Any thoughts?
Bio-Mage huh?? What are you talking about?
Insight being called a child is quite a compliment for a man of my age
and I switch screen names from Toltec to Triad all the time. Toltec is reflective of my Native American heritage while Triad relates to my Oriental background. As far "false realities" in my opinion I have yet to hear any real insight coming from you in relation to the topic. I have not made any claims in respect to any of these links being prepared by me and as far as why they are posted, the reason is to present that there are forms of Skepticism which are Pathological and how to debunk them.
Just like I am doing with you "Insight" in another thread
after all you are lyingAny thoughts?
yes
First thought is I am newly a vegetarian. Second is that it braught me alot of spiritual power. Third is how happy I am that I know these things at my age. Third is smoking is bad. Fourth is going to quit for the 50th time.
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First thought is I am newly a vegetarian. Second is that it braught me alot of spiritual power. Third is how happy I am that I know these things at my age. Third is smoking is bad. Fourth is going to quit for the 50th time.
Any thoughts?
Ok so I won't present any picks of juicy thick steaks prepared in barbecues which have been smothered with onions and A1 sause
Smoking is bad but so is stoping in your car behind another when it is running, the fumes from there talepipe are not filtered by the A/C.
Experimental Evidence Suggestive of Anomalous Consciousness Interactions
Deborah L. Delanoy
Department of Psychology, University of Edinburgh
7 George Square, Edinburgh, Scotland, U.K.
EH8 9JZ.
From Ghista, Dhanjoo N. (Ed.): Biomedical and Life Physics, pp. 398-410.
Proceedings of the Second Gauss Symposium, 2-8 August, 1993, Munich.
xvi, 545pp. Vieweg, Braunschweig/Wiesbaden, 1996 (email for information)
ISBN 3-528-06877-9
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1 Introduction
2 The ganzfeld debate
3 Looking into the future: Meta-analysis of precognition ESP studies
4 Influencing randomness in physical systems: Two meta-analyses
5 Direct mental interactions with living systems (DMILS)
6 Relating ESP to personality traits: Two meta-analyses
7 Discussion
8 References
About this document ...
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/delanoy/delanoy.html
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Smoking is bad but so is stoping in your car behind another when it is running, the fumes from there talepipe are not filtered by the A/C.
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Experimental Evidence Suggestive of Anomalous Consciousness Interactions
Deborah L. Delanoy
Department of Psychology, University of Edinburgh
7 George Square, Edinburgh, Scotland, U.K.
EH8 9JZ.
From Ghista, Dhanjoo N. (Ed.): Biomedical and Life Physics, pp. 398-410.
Proceedings of the Second Gauss Symposium, 2-8 August, 1993, Munich.
xvi, 545pp. Vieweg, Braunschweig/Wiesbaden, 1996 (email for information)
ISBN 3-528-06877-9
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Introduction
2 The ganzfeld debate
3 Looking into the future: Meta-analysis of precognition ESP studies
4 Influencing randomness in physical systems: Two meta-analyses
5 Direct mental interactions with living systems (DMILS)
6 Relating ESP to personality traits: Two meta-analyses
7 Discussion
8 References
About this document ...
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/delanoy/delanoy.html
Any thoughts?
I think you are really interested in metaphysics. I am telepathic and empathic and its weird for me cuz I am 18. You probably would want to know that. I am too lazy to read from that site right now. I can answer questions if you want. Just for reassurance I am not just saying I am that so I feel special.
exponential_sly_de please understand that I do understand and yes metaphysics is something that interests me.
At present I am 43 years of age and from a very early age, was exposed to a Native American and Oriental Shamanistic upbringing (age 3) I have a Bachelors of Psychology and a Masters in Crisis Intervention and for all of my life, have had the opportunity to observe, very valid expression of the Paranormal in many, many people.
Any thoughts?
At present I am 43 years of age and from a very early age, was exposed to a Native American and Oriental Shamanistic upbringing (age 3) I have a Bachelors of Psychology and a Masters in Crisis Intervention and for all of my life, have had the opportunity to observe, very valid expression of the Paranormal in many, many people.
Any thoughts?
Yah something really interesting is in me. See I am 18 and I dropped out of school when I was in grade nine and I cant spell but for some reason i seem to be spiritualy more aware than everyone I know. Do you believe in reincarnation? I believe in karma and reincarnation so basicaly I just need things that I already know presented to me so I can remember I learned them in the past. Maybe this is why I am where I am so early in life. Its hard sometimes because I am so different. not that I dont fit in. I am good at reading other people like I said so I can tell them what they want to hear as long as it fits my values.
Yes I believe in reincarnation and in relation to my life, I have had experiences with respect to how past lives have influenced my present one, as well as how they all are related. Being different can be difficult especially when it is true and there are those
telling you that you are a fool for thinking you are. It’s kind of like knowing a person
committed a crime, telling others and being treated as if you are wrong because of the person’s position in the community.
One of the reasons I post here is because those of you who are believers and despite all the hostility continue to post here, are obviously individuals who have had so many experiences, you are past the point where such behavior bothers you anymore.
In that sense we have something in common
Any thoughts?
telling you that you are a fool for thinking you are. It’s kind of like knowing a person
committed a crime, telling others and being treated as if you are wrong because of the person’s position in the community.
One of the reasons I post here is because those of you who are believers and despite all the hostility continue to post here, are obviously individuals who have had so many experiences, you are past the point where such behavior bothers you anymore.
In that sense we have something in common
Any thoughts?
QUOTE(Triad @ Apr 16 2006, 04:18 AM) [snapback]1149377[/snapback]
Yes Aquatus I know I use it a lot..... Years ago I learned it was a good way to avoid a certain type of misunderstanding. I have been doing that for about 12 years I can apologize if it bothers you but I will not change it.
Any thoughts?
As long as you really that it isn't regarded as an honest request to continue the discussion, but more as a way to have the final word and still be able to claim that you were willing to discuss and thus have the moral high ground.
QUOTE(Triad @ Apr 16 2006, 06:41 AM) [snapback]1149514[/snapback]
Yes I believe in reincarnation and in relation to my life, I have had experiences with respect to how past lives have influenced my present one, as well as how they all are related. Being different can be difficult especially when it is true and there are those
telling you that you are a fool for thinking you are. It’s kind of like knowing a person
committed a crime, telling others and being treated as if you are wrong because of the person’s position in the community.
One of the reasons I post here is because those of you who are believers and despite all the hostility continue to post here, are obviously individuals who have had so many experiences, you are past the point where such behavior bothers you anymore.
In that sense we have something in common
Any thoughts?
Yeh thats why I continue to post here too. Once in a while I come across the ones like me. I can quickly sence who is and who isnt. My friend Turtle who is on here to is the same way. We both instantly noticed that in eachother first time we talked on this forum. I noticed it in you and I also see you really wanting to see more than you do. Maybe even perhaps impatient to see more than you do. Problem is more you want to see less you see.
Those who want nothing see whats hidden. Those who want see only what they want.
Aquatus1 advice from you on sincerity is quite frankly weird..... Please understand that presenting a negative connotation in relation to two words I have been placing in my posts since 1990 does not impress me. How can you say I am looking for a "final word" in a post that I am preparing?? in all sincerity it is a simple query intended to illicit a response (get over it).
Yeh thats why I continue to post here too. Once in a while I come across the ones like me. I can quickly sence who is and who isnt. My friend Turtle who is on here to is the same way. We both instantly noticed that in eachother first time we talked on this forum. I noticed it in you and I also see you really wanting to see more than you do. Maybe even perhaps impatient to see more than you do. Problem is more you want to see less you see.
20 years ago I experienced an event which foretold the death of a child; the information was enough to deal with those who had caused her death but not enough to stop it (they are all in jail at present). Not all my experiences are that way but I do have a list, all of which are pretty heavy duty stuff by the very fact they involve a death toll.
As is clear exponential_sly_de life can get complicated and it is very difficult not to want to know more. I cope with these experiences by understanding that it there time to go and I am part of the process which lets them go in peace (but it is never that easy).
exponential_sly_de my most recent development involves temporal dynamics (less than a week ago) am feeling better.
Any thoughts?
in all sincerity it is a simple query intended to illicit a response (get over it). QUOTE
Yeh thats why I continue to post here too. Once in a while I come across the ones like me. I can quickly sence who is and who isnt. My friend Turtle who is on here to is the same way. We both instantly noticed that in eachother first time we talked on this forum. I noticed it in you and I also see you really wanting to see more than you do. Maybe even perhaps impatient to see more than you do. Problem is more you want to see less you see.
20 years ago I experienced an event which foretold the death of a child; the information was enough to deal with those who had caused her death but not enough to stop it (they are all in jail at present). Not all my experiences are that way but I do have a list, all of which are pretty heavy duty stuff by the very fact they involve a death toll.
As is clear exponential_sly_de life can get complicated and it is very difficult not to want to know more. I cope with these experiences by understanding that it there time to go and I am part of the process which lets them go in peace (but it is never that easy).
exponential_sly_de my most recent development involves temporal dynamics (less than a week ago) am feeling better.
Any thoughts?
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yes
First thought is I am newly a vegetarian.
No wonder you can't think logically. Not enough protein.
How vegeterian diets are considered healthy is beyond me. The human body just likes variety. Its build around it. Eat one thing only and see how far you will get... 
For Triad:
Yah man i know first hand how hard it is not to want something. I try all the time, guess thats whats important. Hmm so you were able to see who hurt a child? The way you said it is vague its ok though I understand it was a very profound thing in your life that opened your eyes. Maybe you can talk to me about it in a pm? Sounds interesting.
For the disagreement clones:
Where did you get this notion that the body needs meat to get its protein? I imagine from your mommas. LOL maybe you should actually investigate your theory before you post it! If the body needs meat for protein so much how come all of India doesnt have scurvy?
How come my vegetarian friend is the most healthy person I know? Some of the most successfull greats of humanity were vegetarians. Maybe you should check out what other things have protein in them. You learned things from uncredible sources if I were you I would start asking again. "Why is the sky blue?"
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progression can be judged by the way its animals are treated" Ghandi
"Animals are my friends and I dont eat my friends" Me
I got a couple of questions...
1. Where has my logic been skewed?
2. Now that I have proven that the body can live without meat perfectly fine are you willing to give up eating meat for the better of humanity? If you say no FYI its selfishness. Anyways not like I am going to convert you or anything but atleast I got rid of 1 wrong notion in your mind.
2 second QUIZ; What notion was changed in your mind?
Yah man i know first hand how hard it is not to want something. I try all the time, guess thats whats important. Hmm so you were able to see who hurt a child? The way you said it is vague its ok though I understand it was a very profound thing in your life that opened your eyes. Maybe you can talk to me about it in a pm? Sounds interesting.
For the disagreement clones:
Where did you get this notion that the body needs meat to get its protein? I imagine from your mommas. LOL maybe you should actually investigate your theory before you post it! If the body needs meat for protein so much how come all of India doesnt have scurvy?
How come my vegetarian friend is the most healthy person I know? Some of the most successfull greats of humanity were vegetarians. Maybe you should check out what other things have protein in them. You learned things from uncredible sources if I were you I would start asking again. "Why is the sky blue?"
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progression can be judged by the way its animals are treated" Ghandi
"Animals are my friends and I dont eat my friends" Me
I got a couple of questions...
1. Where has my logic been skewed?
2. Now that I have proven that the body can live without meat perfectly fine are you willing to give up eating meat for the better of humanity? If you say no FYI its selfishness. Anyways not like I am going to convert you or anything but atleast I got rid of 1 wrong notion in your mind.
2 second QUIZ; What notion was changed in your mind?
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For Triad:
Yah man i know first hand how hard it is not to want something. I try all the time, guess thats whats important. Hmm so you were able to see who hurt a child? The way you said it is vague its ok though I understand it was a very profound thing in your life that opened your eyes. Maybe you can talk to me about it in a pm? Sounds interesting.
For the disagreement clones:
Where did you get this notion that the body needs meat to get its protein? I imagine from your mommas. LOL maybe you should actually investigate your theory before you post it! If the body needs meat for protein so much how come all of India doesnt have scurvy?
How come my vegetarian friend is the most healthy person I know? Some of the most successfull greats of humanity were vegetarians. Maybe you should check out what other things have protein in them. You learned things from uncredible sources if I were you I would start asking again. "Why is the sky blue?"
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progression can be judged by the way its animals are treated" Ghandi
"Animals are my friends and I dont eat my friends" Me
I got a couple of questions...
1. Where has my logic been skewed?
2. Now that I have proven that the body can live without meat perfectly fine are you willing to give up eating meat for the better of humanity? If you say no FYI its selfishness. Anyways not like I am going to convert you or anything but atleast I got rid of 1 wrong notion in your mind.
2 second QUIZ; What notion was changed in your mind?
Well, you have lied several times. I caught you in that. I won't go into detail.
It is hard to believe anything after that. As for diet, getting all the protein you need is harder as a vegetarian.
Man has always eaten flesh. Its not selfish it is the way of the world. Do not judge for that and I won't judge you for you x men powers.Good day.
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and I won't judge you for you x men powers.Good day.
uhm....You just called them xmen powers. Wouldnt that be judging them fake? lol
Man has always eaten flesh and some individuals have always chosen not to eat flesh....whats your point? Also just cuz it has been the way doesnt make it the right way.
No do not mind discussing it in open forum, its just that that particular incident still bothers me. I mean I know how they buried her but not exactly where, what they did was locate a place where someone had put down new grass (you know the squares of grass and soil).
They lifted up the grass, buried her, got rid of the excess dirt and placed the grass back over the site. It was done at night and the body is buried somewhere in the Miami, Florida area. It feels like it is someone’s house, which is not related to the perpetrators; a house painted yellow, the family who lives inside is African American and has no idea the body is on there property (by the way the child is African American as well and those responsible for taking care of her are the ones in prison).
Encraven2003 the idea that eating meat is bad has a lot to do with adrenalin which if consumed does harm the body. Those who prepare meat for consumption do everything they can to avoid the conclusion that the animals, which end up in your local supermarket release Adrenalin before dying, but there are no guarantees. Also, there is the issue of what animals we consume, are fed and to be certain whatever they eat we eat as well. A very important thing to understand is that it is a business; producers of meat are there to make money. Have you ever heard of Chick-a-fill? Just so you know you are eating it.
Chick-a-fill was introduced into the US in the 50's what it does is make domesticated animals used for food fatter and the reason most Americans have so many problems getting rid of fat is because the meat they eat is saturated with this product (all of it).
I have to admit exponential_sly_de disagreement clones is a good way to put it.....
Any thoughts?
They lifted up the grass, buried her, got rid of the excess dirt and placed the grass back over the site. It was done at night and the body is buried somewhere in the Miami, Florida area. It feels like it is someone’s house, which is not related to the perpetrators; a house painted yellow, the family who lives inside is African American and has no idea the body is on there property (by the way the child is African American as well and those responsible for taking care of her are the ones in prison).
Encraven2003 the idea that eating meat is bad has a lot to do with adrenalin which if consumed does harm the body. Those who prepare meat for consumption do everything they can to avoid the conclusion that the animals, which end up in your local supermarket release Adrenalin before dying, but there are no guarantees. Also, there is the issue of what animals we consume, are fed and to be certain whatever they eat we eat as well. A very important thing to understand is that it is a business; producers of meat are there to make money. Have you ever heard of Chick-a-fill? Just so you know you are eating it.
Chick-a-fill was introduced into the US in the 50's what it does is make domesticated animals used for food fatter and the reason most Americans have so many problems getting rid of fat is because the meat they eat is saturated with this product (all of it).
I have to admit exponential_sly_de disagreement clones is a good way to put it.....
Any thoughts?
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For the disagreement clones:
The most successful clone is the one that things is the original. Maybe start looking for that barcode buddy
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If the body needs meat for protein so much how come all of India doesnt have scurvy? blink.gif
Scurvy (or Barlow's disease in infants) is a vitamin C dificiency and its not related to protein. Maybe you should stop asking your mom too.
As for meat and vegetables you should really consume everything in moderation. Meat has many important amino acids that are vital for your growth and vegetables (plus fruit) typically provide you with more carbohydrate vitamins and minerals.
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The greatness of a nation and its moral progression can be judged by the way its animals are treated
Easy to say for a nation that protected them with religion,so that they would not be wiped out by the starving population. If they had enough however....they would be doing exactly the same.
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Animals are my friends and I dont eat my friends
Plants are your friends too. Its presumtious to think something not alive because it has not your biological attributes. Vegetation is very much alive and its just as wrong to destroy it for whatever reason. Save the "free willy" speeches for those that know no better.
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Anyways not like I am going to convert you or anything but atleast I got rid of 1 wrong notion in your mind.
Healer heal thyself....
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The most successful clone is the one that things is the original. Maybe start looking for that barcode buddy.
The fact of the matter is Bio-Mage as is very clear in this thread skeptics have not proven anything regarding PSI. What has been done in relation to much of the apparent deviant behavior of Pathological skeptics is make other pay more attention.......
I guess I am just again saying thanks Bio
You really need to stop thanking people because YOU think they are making your point. Its a cheap way of not presenting an actual argument. Not to mention too obvious...
But you really have said nothing Bio-dude and neither have any of the other......
Again thank you
Any thoughts?
Again thank you
Any thoughts?
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Just so you all know, I have recently gotten into Triad's email account due to his own trusting foolishness
You are absolutely out of line by posting this, regardless of whether it is true or not.
Read the PM that is coming your way.
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Just so you all know, I have recently gotten into Triad's email account due to his own trusting foolishness and can say for certain that he is 15 years old. You should read the things he writes! Quite sad to be honest.
It's odd that you think you have any credibility without providing any evidence. I think this is more of your crap.
Edit: If you can't back this up I hope you realize that this is slander!
I think this thread has gone too far, I am closing it.
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