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Tangerine Sheri
Well said Raven thumbsup.gif
joc
It is us against them. Humans against the animals. The animals always tried to eat us...and we have always tried to eat them.
billystevo
QUOTE(The Raven @ Mar 7 2006, 02:47 AM) [snapback]1092535[/snapback]

This debate is completely ridiculous because of what we do not know about animals. Subjecting animals to human belief and doctrine is an illogical way to go about the situation, because it is just that; created by man, not by beast (Although the righteous few who wrote it may be considered just that).

Once again, I shall stress that animals are our equal. Unlike other animals, the main defense and weapon of man is the ability to ask "Why, How, Who, What, When, and Where" and then apply it directly to real life situations to create progress. Animals may have similar capability, but unlike us, they have natural defenses such as tough hide, claws, speed, strength, etc. The human has none of these except for the mind.

Ok so why do Animals exist are they supplied for us by God or do we just kill them being the dominant force on the planet.
if they dont have a soul like we think we have, why do we love them so much and keep them as pets admiring how they show a love for us. I think you underestimate our fellow companions on Earth and treat them as second class to be used and abused.
ShaunZero
I wonder..


Why is it natural for a person to look at an animal and see themselves above it? I really do think it's natural. Even in their most "amazing" habits, they still seem like retards compared to humans. We even have the ability to manipulate them, tame them, make them meaner, etc... Can they do that to a man or women? Nope. I guess it's just my outlook on things. =P
Tangerine Sheri
Constructs zero, actually its natural to see oneness in all things......
ShaunZero
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Mar 7 2006, 04:21 AM) [snapback]1092698[/snapback]

Constructs zero, actually its natural to see oneness in all things......



Not in my opinion. I don't think it's natural to look down at dog poop and say "I am one with the poop".
Pax Unum
QUOTE(billystevo @ Mar 3 2006, 08:59 PM) [snapback]1089319[/snapback]

Wondering if killing Animals is upsetting to you? Do animals have the right to exist? Do they have an afterlife same as we want?I love my animals as much as my Children my cat is so loved.


killing to eat is something that happens throughout the animal kingdom... we ARE part of nature... being an omnivore I find it's difficult to pass up a savory steak....
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 6 2006, 10:22 PM) [snapback]1092699[/snapback]

Not in my opinion. I don't think it's natural to look down at dog poop and say "I am one with the poop".

Zero, Is this the same guy who said this earlier:
' Direct quote by Zero shadow "I don't know why you feel the need to be equal to everything. Either way, it doesn't change who I am. I don't care if I'm above or below something else, I'm still me. I don't have a need to be equal to all things."

So do you now mean you are equal with all of life after all?????
ShaunZero
Sure don't. But I don't think it's natural to think all things are equal. I bet most kids around the age of 10 would put humans above animals if asked.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 7 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1092845[/snapback]

Sure don't. But I don't think it's natural to think all things are equal. I bet most kids around the age of 10 would put humans above animals if asked.

Not so Zero i have an 8 year old that sees the unity and connection in all things, even thinks in many ways animals can teach us things...But then again my son isn't the average bear....namsate sheri
hyperactive
indeed sheri,

look into the history of where man got inspiration for many things taken for granted today.
Tangerine Sheri
Hyper My son says much the same things animals are very intellegent and confessed sometimes he wishes he was one, our house cats our quite impressive grin2.gif Zero do you have pets??? Namaste sheri
ShaunZero
I'd doubt you've never mentioned your "one-ness" idea around your kid. Grab a kid who wasn't taught anything about being seperate, above, below or one with an animal, and then ask him. That way he can't really have any prior idea bashed into his head.


I can agree that all things are one, but maybe not all equal, but I can't say either way.


If I was my pet, I wouldn't be on this computer, wouldn't even know how to be on here and wouldn't know how to discuss or understand topics such as this. And I wouldn't try to figure put why or how I'm here, a very important question to me. So, I'm very happy being a human and not an animal thank you very much.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 7 2006, 12:58 AM) [snapback]1092870[/snapback]

I'd doubt you've never mentioned your "one-ness" idea around your kid. Grab a kid who wasn't taught anything about being seperate, above, below or one with an animal, and then ask him. That way he can't really have any prior idea bashed into his head.
I can agree that all things are one, but maybe not all equal, but I can't say either way.

Zero certainly my child has been encouraged to develop on long the lines of the connection and unity in all things, he is this naturally anyways if you were to ask a child this question you might be surprised , children are naturally in tune with what is natural around them unless its thumped out of there head by outdated doctrines.......As a parent you see whats in a child naturally and encourage that... but i doubt if you are familiar with organic parenting Zero.. Its not a rewards punishment does and don't system, So i guess we are talking parenting again from your vast parenting skills eh Zero??? namaste Sheri
ShaunZero
Yeah, because we all know Sheri knows the only right way to parent kids. rolleyes.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 7 2006, 01:19 AM) [snapback]1092877[/snapback]

Yeah, because we all know Sheri knows the only right way to parent kids. rolleyes.gif

Well image that we agree on something grin2.gif
ShaunZero
Riiiiiiiiiight, lol.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 7 2006, 01:23 AM) [snapback]1092882[/snapback]

Riiiiiiiiiight, lol.

Absolute zero eh?? now i know why the change of heart, but not really huh zero, (wink wink) One needs to be OPEN minded or appear to be...lol
Dowdy
We need to kill animals. It's very necessary for our survival.

I'm not talking about killing an animal for it's meat. I'm talking about using animals for lab experiments. We need to do that because how else are we going to test and discover new life saving drugs and vaccines.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(joc @ Mar 7 2006, 02:50 AM) [snapback]1092542[/snapback]

It is us against them. Humans against the animals. The animals always tried to eat us...and we have always tried to eat them.

Animals don't go out of their way to eat us joc...they will attack us in the wild if they feel we threaten their young ect

Animals eat other animals to survive...that's fact...humans do it too but they have the advantage to other food groups unlike animals (well most of them) Animals (wild ones) are born with that instinct to eat meat...then you have the animals that prefer to eat veg/grass ect..then you have those that eat both...like humans yes.gif
zandore
EDIT: Double post! blush.gif
zandore
QUOTE(Tornado @ Mar 6 2006, 03:57 PM) [snapback]1091949[/snapback]
QUOTE(zandore)
Did you two see the Bible verses I posted about cannibalism in the Bible?
Bleh? I guess I didn't, zan. no.gif ...



QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Mar 6 2006, 03:58 PM) [snapback]1091951[/snapback]
QUOTE(zandore)
Did you two see the Bible verses I posted about cannibalism in the Bible?
Ummm nope...*nudges T & Sheri umm did you girls see it..quick say something lol* grin2.gif

Seriously though..No Zandore I didn't post it ty

Part of the post
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 4 2006, 08:43 AM) [snapback]1089736[/snapback]

What the Bible says about Cannibalism
Sometimes God forces people to eat other people, often their own children or other family members.

"I also will do this unto you... You shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it." -- Leviticus 26:16

"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." -- Leviticus 26:29

"And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." -- Deuteronomy 28:53

"And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them." -- Deuteronomy 28:57

"Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm." -- Isaiah 9:19-20

"And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine." -- Isaiah 49:26

"And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend." -- Jeremiah 19:9

"Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers." -- Ezekiel 5:10

"I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another." -- Zechariah 11:9

Sometimes the Bible just reports, often with apparent relish, cases of cannibalism.

"This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him." 2 Kings 6:28-29

"The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat." -- Lamentations 4:10

"Who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron." -- Micah 3:2-3

"Heap on wood, kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned. Then set it empty upon the coals thereof, that the brass of it may be hot, and may burn, and that the filthiness of it may be molten in it, that the scum of it may be consumed. She hath wearied herself with lies, and her great scum went not forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire. -- Ezekiel 24:10-12


Source


EDIT: blink.gif What the......
The Raven
QUOTE(billystevo @ Mar 6 2006, 10:24 PM) [snapback]1092618[/snapback]

Ok so why do Animals exist are they supplied for us by God or do we just kill them being the dominant force on the planet.
if they dont have a soul like we think we have, why do we love them so much and keep them as pets admiring how they show a love for us. I think you underestimate our fellow companions on Earth and treat them as second class to be used and abused.


I don't understand how you could assume I think that way about animals. I have a great deal of respect for them, and I sometimes treat them better than fellow human beings.

Animals exist because they are the evolutionary products of different but simple creatures adapting themselves and evolving to work more efficiently with their environment.

In my non-traditional views of the soul, animals have one too because they are living beings; just as plants. Any other homo sapien-dominant way of thinking just seems impudent.
ladylion
QUOTE(billystevo @ Mar 3 2006, 07:59 PM) [snapback]1089319[/snapback]

Wondering if killing Animals is upsetting to you? Do animals have the right to exist? Do they have an afterlife same as we want?I love my animals as much as my Children my cat is so loved.




I THINK ITS ONLY OK TO KILL AN ANIMAL IF YOU ARE GOING TO EAT IT OTHER THAN THAT I CANT SEE WHY ANYONE WOULD NEED TO KILL AND ANIMAL
Avinash_Tyagi
Personally I believe if Humans have souls then Animals (and plants as well) have souls also.
Imaginary Friend
QUOTE(billystevo @ Mar 4 2006, 02:59 AM) [snapback]1089319[/snapback]

Wondering if killing Animals is upsetting to you? Do animals have the right to exist? Do they have an afterlife same as we want?


The human animal posits that question of itself every day. All else is on the periphery and second to one's consideration of one's self. Does one eat meat!? Then do animals have the right to exist save on the plate and for the pallet!?Do they have an after life? Imagining such a thing is an extension of faith already. We don't know for sure there is any such thing so if you love them there's no harm in imagining the lower animals are as entitled as we who hold faith we are higher, do.

Meanwhile make the most of the now and pandering to what comes after when it doesn't matter and can't be proved shall cease to hold power in the promise of what comes after, and shall thereby allow us to cleave to what is and the responsibility that entails to make our choices and face the consequences now!

Religion is one of the worst things that ever crept into the human consciousness. It distracts us from applying conscious principles of character into the every day, thinking something outside the flesh cares!
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