Wondering if killing Animals is upsetting to you? Do animals have the right to exist? Do they have an afterlife same as we want?I love my animals as much as my Children my cat is so loved.

I wouldn't want to kill someone's pet.

But if somebody had a pet chicken...

Seriously though, I consider the idea that animals have an afterlife to be a little silly. We have no real reason to suspect that any animals (save a few) are any more than instinctual reservoirs of behavior.

then by your observations most humans most definitely do not have afterlives.

i like your avatar Phyltre
but the animals, it's a cruel thing to do. in this world killing is not a opinion it's a fact. Poeple should learn to love nature and not slowly poison it and it quickly dies. Already it's going to happen. Just a few more years to go. Then people will actually care. You'll see.

It's possible that consciousness is a property of all matter and energy. Perhaps indestructible. Sounds ridicules, but very little (if anything) is known about the source of consciousness.

here are some valuable quotes to this thread:

Buddha:
The eating of meat extinguishes the great seed of compassion

When a man has pity on all living creatures then only is he noble.

May all that have life be delivered from suffering.

To become vegetarian is to step into the stream which leads to nirvana.

All beings tremble before violence. All fear death, all love life. See yourself in others. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do?


Bhagavad Gita:
One is dearest to God who has no enemies among the living beings, who is nonviolent to all creatures.

Ted Nugent:

You can't grill it till you kill it!

lol! ^

I think we can't stop killing. Animal or not, sacrifices for our survival, beliefs, and just for the pure fun and entertainment of it, people will kill. If I were to say that killing an animal is cruel, either because I do it for fun or because I haven't eaten for 3 weeks, its like saying that assassinating a powerful totalitarianist dicatator, or treating a select group of people with lethal injection because they are infected with the worlds next Black Plague is cruel.

Animals will die, for fun or for need. But its also nesassary to see the balance of things. The actions of those who seek to keep animals from being killed is one of those crucial reasons why eagles still fly, herds still migrate, and whales still sing.

So, whos up for a Chicken Sandwich?

on the quotes too, Only when you can see anothers plight as your own can you truly change anything.......


Althought i don't think eating meat is natural to humans the manner in which a animal is regarded as nothing saddens me immensely...


I don't think one can understand ahimsa until they themselves live it.....


Man is the cruelest animal. At tragedies, bullfights, and crucifixions he has so far felt best on earth; and when he invented hell for himself, behold, that was his very heaven.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
To keep the body in good health is a duty...otherwise we shall not be able to keep our mind strong and clear.” Buddah

Ahimsa is a concept which advocates non-violence and a respect for all life. Ahimsa (अहिंसा ahiṁsā) is Sanskrit for avoidance of himsa, or injury. It is interpreted most often as meaning peace and reverence toward all sentient beings. , . Those who practice Ahimsa are often vegetarians or vegans.

For what I am about to say, I hope it doesn't offend any of the vegetarians or vegans.

I have been eating meat all my life and think there is nothing better than a nice steak and love my lamb chops ect.

This may seem odd....but I could never stand seeing an animal get killed...and often wondered how my brother could stick working in a slughter house

I have always seen some animals as part of the food chain...

I once went clean off meat (had me a bad take out once) and never put meat over my mouth for months. I took sick and when I called to see the doctor...one of the things he told me was I wasn't getting enough red meat as I was low in iron...so I gradually went back to it, and was on the mend....and realized how much I missed it.

I don't eat it every day...but once a week if I can.

Just watch Penn and Tellers show, Bullsh!t, about PETA, and you will never feel guilty about eating any meat ever again.

I eat meat i can not tell a lie

ok seriously, meat is meat, come on animals eat each other do they not? the concept of harming animals should be no different then harming another person. Life is something that should be respected it is human ignorance that would allow a person to put themselves above an animal...i guess there are just some people who are insecure enough to fear an animal being better then they are or whatever. we have gone round and round about this before.

People as a whole should learn to respect anything that is living. In the same way they should respect each other. But we all know that there are people who can not do even that don't we? there are people who really think that they are better then others. I say whatever but you may want to watch yourself in my house, the animals that live here are always more important and the cats bite

For the most part I do not eat meat, although on occasion I do have chicken or turkey. I used to eat a lot of beef, but after having to pick up after a kid that got hit by a train doing 80 miles an hour I couldn't stand the smell of beef, it smelled the same...That and the fact I didn't like the idea of an animal having to die for my lunch...

So now I have a lot of other types of food and steer clear of meat.

No pun intended I assume

culturally,its very conditionedto eat meat, < i have no issue with another that consumes meat, Of course it would be ultimate it we regarded the animal that is to be our meal alot more kindly, and you become what you eat a well nourished mind and body is of much better service to you, I hear alot of these storys that one gave up meat and their health failed,( I took ,many classes and talked with experts on the subject i'm fortunate to have access to the information and the area I life in supports the vegan philosophy, that probably makes a difference) Funny i gave up ,meat and mine improved, i suffered with debilating asthma ,my entire life after a few major body (natural ) cleansings< i have lived free of asthma for 3 years no inhalers nothing, I also had skin issues and sinus issues and digestive issues , not anymore, when we eat animals that are sick and injected full of hormones and treated in such uncaring violent manners then we will reap the effects of it, its as simple as that, As a parent i feel it my duty and priority to educate my children on nutriton so many people get there education from the commercials its just a selling hub...they tell you anything and the laws are so lenient the television can say anything most people don't know that... ...My son was the inspiration for our vegan lifestyle he wouldn't eat meat this child I must tell you had never been on one antobiotic ever in his life, never had more than an occassional body spring cleaning runny nose his immune system is amazing we can't beleive how he is so healthy (he is 8 years old) No ADHD no behavioral issues(alot has to do with the food you eat) but I'm only one story and everyone has there own path to a walk, i guess if i could say anything i say really understand nutrition especially if you have kids, you will be doing them a good turn...Namaste sheri

humans ARE a type of animal... so if animals do not have afterlives, neither do we. simple as that.

i personally love all animals. i work at petsmart and practically own a zoo at my house (not including my little sisters...LOL). i do, however, eat meat... a practice which i wish i could give up. but i do not think that i could live on vegetables alone. particularly because i just flat out hate all vegetables. anyways, i'm not so concerned about pigs and chickens, but more upset about cows and horses being slaughtered. i've always had a soft spot for those guys.

nowadays, the problem that i see is overproduction of meat. i don't think we should make more than we can use. currently, i do believe that there are too many animals being slaughtered, and i'm certain that it wouldn't kill america to cut down on the fast food burgers. lol.

I have a hard time eating meat, i know that from the time of the cave dwellers ,we have eaten meat, so in that sense its natural for us to kill animals for food.
What upsets me is that i have pets , who seem to me to have intelligence , perhaps a soul like us, id never kill them for food.
This is something i cant work out , we love animals but kill them for food, anything in the Bible or other Holy books to help me with this?
Being honest i love Steak but it doesnt seem like an Animal when its cut up .

i gave you quotes above as well as sheri.

Don't worry billystevo...I love my steak too...I can't help it

I wonder who can read this...blah blah blah <--

To sum things up we have to eat Animals to survive, going Veggie doesnt help as some people say plants have intelligence, not quoting Prince Charles.
I think if God created this world he or she have forced us into killing other intelligent species.
Thats not possible for a God that Loves everything, or is it?

it is a fallacy that one must eat animal to survive.

if you wish to be at peace with the plants you eat, grow a garden and eat only from the plants rather than killing the plant completely and you can even leave a part of yourself as offering to the plant if you wish (a strand of hair). Care for the plants and the plants care for you.

I think a lot of people dont care about what they eat as its packaged and presented to you in a form that doesnt say a lot about the doner of the meat etc.
What bothers me is that these Animals have awareness and a will to live.
You only have to look at your pets to see they are intelligent, what about the Pigs and Sheep and Cows we slaughter to eat dont they have a brain and a reason for life?
To me this proves God doesnt exist , we are all part of Darwins theory of evolution.

When i became vegan and began to look into the philosphy of eating it has turned out that we do not need to eat meat, that is bull sh** , a cows milk is meant for a calf to make it big and strong a mothers breast milk is meant for her baby ( few children get breast milk) One of the leading contributers of childhood cancers is cows milk in our ignorance and our guides ignorance we have caused the human body many unnessecary health issues, some there are no cures for actually many, most things can be traced to the diet...YOU BECOME WHAT YOU EAT...A crappy diet leads to a crappy mind and body, the body craves what you give it, that is the same with vegatables and grains and legumes, your body will let you know what it needs if you are in communication with it...that is a beautiful idea on a garden hyper, i see a book there lol Namaste sheri


“It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind. Einstien

”While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered animals, how can we expect any ideal living conditions on this earth?” Isadora Duncan

Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own.”
Robert Louis Stevenson
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.” paul mccarthy

I have been stressing the vital importance of people giving up this habit of eating non-vegetarian food even from my boyhood days. Meat eating fosters animal qualities in man making him descend to the demoniac level; it is a heart-rending sight to see cows being slaughtered to serve as food for man.”
Sri Sathya Sai Baba quotes (Indian Spiritual leader, b.1929)

What do you mean Do animals have a right to exist? Those animals that we are killing- also have more "natural" prey- so they are getting killed by hungry more powerful creatures. So are those animals evil? That are killing other animals for food? For fun? No? Its natural...Well there ya go. The animals that you'd love to spare from being on our dinner plates is likely gonna get devoured by a bigger animal with teeth- i dont see how thats any better...No offence.

A lot of pets are helpless and rely on human beings for food and shelter. Animals in my opinion, do have a right to exist. Pets can bring a lot of happiness for people and reduce stress and high blood pressure. Many love pets as if they were their own children.

As much as I love animals, I have a similar view.

And we are technically animals. A lot of us are omnivores.
So if you had a pet cow on a desert island and there was nothing to eat, would you kill this cow?

Think of how man survived thousands of years ago..and in some countries killing beasts for food is their one main food source (appart from fish) I have nothing against men hunting for food...its all part of life

I admire those who are vegans...I wish I could be but I love both meat and veg...it's how I was raised therefore it can't be helped

Look at cows for example they provide the drink and the meat..I believe they where put on the earth to feed us (some of us even)

I love animals and I am against hunting for fun of any kind...but when it comes to nutrition meat is a great provider

I only eat animals that are vegetarian.

i tried veganism many times, and it just made me sick. i think it's great if you can do it.

Unless you are buying organic you aren't eating vegetarian animals its apparent few know much about what they eat or nutrition in general, alot would depend on where you live also, Meat is not the best source of anything, Waht is the amount of protien nessecary to the human body??? what does protien do?what does protein mean??? ... Like most things few even inquire or investigate into the diet, meat and dairy are BIG BIG buisness subsidized by the govermanet at least in the states, interesting many countrys won't buy meat from us because of the conditions we raise our animals in....
the united states is the sickest physically then anywhere in the world, Hmmm i wonder why???? Most everything that has been said on this thread in connection to nutrition is false...

meat is the majority of what i eat.
i personnally have had to kill creatures for survival before.
If i ever needed to i would eat a human as well

I think animals do have spirits as we do. I used to eat steak readily but over the course of really trying to transform my mind I've slowly given up alot of the meat I used to eat.

There is something that I struggle with that is a factor in killing animals; overpopulation.
My fiancee used to live in Aussie land for a few years and he told me stories of how they would go rabbit hunting, not to eat but to control the populations. It turned out that the rabbits bred and produced so much that not only did they destroy entire farms but many starved to death. Some of the lands were cmpletely over run to the point that hunting them was the only solution for locals. The same holds true with deer. In the years there aren't enough hunters they begin to overpopulate and starve to death.

Unfortunately people overpopulate places as well and we don't go out and hunt eachother because of it. But look at China they only allow people to have a certain number of children because they are so overpopulated. In closing I believe that killing animals to control population might not be cruel if in the end they will only suffer needlessly because of their numbers.

some things should be done about places with too high of populations

(crickets chirp)

I love animals. Sure, killing them is upsetting and that's why I couldn't do it myself. Yes, they do have the right to exist, especially when you take into account that human beings are carnivores and it's a part of our survival - obviously it's down to personal choice when you consider the many vegetarians and vegans out there - but aside from us, they have other reasons to be here too. Everything on the planet has a reason.

I only eat chicken - sometimes turkey - but the thought of personally having to kill one sends shivers down my spine.

As far as their "afterlife" is concerned; I guess that they would go to the same place that we would - wherever that is?! I don't see how they are any different. There's only one way we'll find out.

LOL I know the feeling...I saw that post and thought ohh look another cry out for attention (talking about the one you quoted lol)

Erm ... I'm kind of lost here. Are you saying they should eat each other?

I'm imagining the local butchers with a huge sign outside saying:

LEG OF MAN. ONLY £4.99 OR ANY 3 FOR £10.00

T...he posts stuff like that to grab attention...the lil guy needs help...he says he is getting help but me thinks he needs to go more often

Did you two see the Bible verses I posted about cannibalism in the Bible?

Bleh? I guess I didn't, zan. ...

Ummm nope...*nudges T & Sheri umm did you girls see it..quick say something lol*

Seriously though..No Zandore I didn't post it ty

But imagine eating parts of a human...then later finding out that human was riddled with Aids sods law and it would tighten the prat that did it

Lol, and to think that we argued when I stuck up for this guy!

Ner ner ner LOL it comes to haunt you in the end

i'm just posting my thoughts just like the other people

eating people:

humans are so laced with pesticides, herbicides, hormones, steroids, heavy metals, petro-chemicals, et cetra they are unsafe for human consumption.

watch what you eat.

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eating people:

humans are so laced with pesticides, herbicides, hormones, steroids, heavy metals, petro-chemicals, et cetra they are unsafe for human consumption.

watch what you eat.

Indeed hyper indeed, this is actually funny we were talking on this yesterday my kid and I quote] How toxic the human is ....yuck

You know what, I'm the exact same way. I love eating meat, but could never bear killing an animal. I can't even hunt deer! I'm an animal lover. And guess what [time to stur up trouble], I put humans above animals! =)

zero,

is that you put humans above animals wrt survival or you put humans above animals on your favourite foods list?

Food list.

This debate is completely ridiculous because of what we do not know about animals. Subjecting animals to human belief and doctrine is an illogical way to go about the situation, because it is just that; created by man, not by beast (Although the righteous few who wrote it may be considered just that).

Once again, I shall stress that animals are our equal. Unlike other animals, the main defense and weapon of man is the ability to ask "Why, How, Who, What, When, and Where" and then apply it directly to real life situations to create progress. Animals may have similar capability, but unlike us, they have natural defenses such as tough hide, claws, speed, strength, etc. The human has none of these except for the mind.