Chaos18
Mar 5 2006, 12:35 AM
The Ghoul of Calcutta
Hell's Angel
Mother Teresa was denied saint-hood for many reasons, and they aren't stupid ones, only a freakin idiot would consider her a saint, there is nothing saint-like about her deeds... i've heard of some bad things she did, but only a few accounts i can be certain of, if you know of any other bad deeds, then post them.
Bad Deed #1
Mis-use of charity money, it was supposed to go into hospitals for the poor in Calcutta, "Teresa refused to authorize the purchase of medical equipment" and the sh**loads of money that wasn't spent on hospitals went straight to the Vatican Bank, i mean, these hospitals she made were HORRIBLE, the nurses had no medical experience or knowledge infact their idea of sterilizing needles is rinsing them with warm water, they didn't separate the people who had tuberculosis from the people who didn't have it---they let so many people die who had perfectly curable diseases
there are other bad deeds, but i've gtg, running late,,,,,,,,anyone else wants to list it then please do so.
scipherel
Mar 5 2006, 01:57 AM
You said the money went straight to Vatican.
or she pocketed some monies ?
KingTomis
Mar 5 2006, 02:25 AM
She also had wings very similar to a bats. Possible connection to the devil?
I also know for a fact that she routinly made smoothies out of aborted fetuses.
See, I can make up stuff too.
You need to post links to make anything you say credible. While you very well may be right, you have to prove it, you cant just say something and expect people to believe it.
Yelekiah
Mar 5 2006, 02:53 AM
I'd like to see a link, not because I don't think it's true.
But it's interesting that she was denied sainthood. She'll always be a saint in the eyes of others.
Pax Unum
Mar 5 2006, 04:34 AM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Mar 4 2006, 08:53 PM) [snapback]1090370[/snapback]
I'd like to see a link, not because I don't think it's true.
But it's interesting that she was denied sainthood. She'll always be a saint in the eyes of others.
Criticism 
The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Glacies
Mar 5 2006, 05:01 AM
I agree with yel, a link would be helpful, and secondly, i must disagree with kingtomis, i'd heard the wings were much larger, kinda leathery, and covered in fur...
Fluffybunny
Mar 5 2006, 05:11 AM
Moving this to a more appropriate area...
ramster83
Mar 5 2006, 05:33 AM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 5 2006, 11:35 AM) [snapback]1090243[/snapback]
The Ghoul of Calcutta
Hell's Angel
Mother Teresa was denied saint-hood for many reasons, and they aren't stupid ones, only a freakin idiot would consider her a saint, there is nothing saint-like about her deeds... i've heard of some bad things she did, but only a few accounts i can be certain of, if you know of any other bad deeds, then post them.
Bad Deed #1
Mis-use of charity money, it was supposed to go into hospitals for the poor in Calcutta, "Teresa refused to authorize the purchase of medical equipment" and the sh**loads of money that wasn't spent on hospitals went straight to the Vatican Bank, i mean, these hospitals she made were HORRIBLE, the nurses had no medical experience or knowledge infact their idea of sterilizing needles is rinsing them with warm water, they didn't separate the people who had tuberculosis from the people who didn't have it---they let so many people die who had perfectly curable diseases
there are other bad deeds, but i've gtg, running late,,,,,,,,anyone else wants to list it then please do so.
The amount of Good Deeds she did im sure does rings around yours...If Mother Theresa is Evil- then you are Satan himself...what can i say?
JMPD1
Mar 5 2006, 05:46 AM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 4 2006, 07:35 PM) [snapback]1090243[/snapback]
The Ghoul of Calcutta
Hell's Angel
Mother Teresa was denied saint-hood for many reasons, and they aren't stupid ones, only a freakin idiot would consider her a saint, there is nothing saint-like about her deeds... i've heard of some bad things she did, but only a few accounts i can be certain of, if you know of any other bad deeds, then post them.
Bad Deed #1
Mis-use of charity money, it was supposed to go into hospitals for the poor in Calcutta, "Teresa refused to authorize the purchase of medical equipment" and the sh**loads of money that wasn't spent on hospitals went straight to the Vatican Bank, i mean, these hospitals she made were HORRIBLE, the nurses had no medical experience or knowledge infact their idea of sterilizing needles is rinsing them with warm water, they didn't separate the people who had tuberculosis from the people who didn't have it---they let so many people die who had perfectly curable diseases
there are other bad deeds, but i've gtg, running late,,,,,,,,anyone else wants to list it then please do so.
But of Course! Its so obvious now! And all it took for the truth to come up was a sourceless accusation by a person with a psuedonym!
I say, dig up her corpse and burn her alive at the stake!
WARNING: The above post may contain higher levels of sarcasm than are recommended by the NWO, er, I mean, the FDA. yeah, thats what I meant, the FDA, heh heh
Chaos18
Mar 5 2006, 06:44 AM
You have me all wrong, i have so many different sources it isn't even freakin funny,,, of the most absolutely reliable of them would be Wikipedia.com,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresaand a few others off of google search, in which i double checked wikipedia
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/mother-teresa/I don't make such a confident claim on such a touchy subject without coming with loads of backup information
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/motherteresa.htmI do have other sources, but you may dismiss them as unreliable, but i didn't use them anyways, wikipedia should be enough for you, and Penn and Teller have told her off, that's more than enough, it's not like it's just made up- it's really in the history books- it's no secret, many people have written books on her wicked deeds, and there were reports on the news channels about it- they all saw her as a bad person.
"The Lord Jesus Christ when questioned about the sign of His coming and the end of the age, said, "Take heed that no one deceives you" (Mt. 24:5). The Apostle Paul instructed us, "Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils ..." (1 Tim. 4:1)."
If you look really closely, you'll be so surprised at how all of us are deceived, think, how they say that Satan is the master of deception and lies, you don't know how deceived we already are,,, but i'm not going into that right now, for fear that i may actually offend someone with the truth,,, but what could be more deceptive than an old lady holding her hands together in prayer, but is wicked and selfish inside in reality
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 5 2006, 07:07 AM
“What I do you cannot do; but what you do, I cannot do. The needs are great, and none of us, including me, ever do great things. But we can all do small things, with great love, and together we can do something wonderful.”
“Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.”
I prefer you to make mistakes in kindness than work miracles in unkindness.” Mother Theresa
IMO she would not care if she was sainted, she lived her live according to her ideals and accomplished much and it appears she was very clear that she used her life for a larger purpose, and she clearly saw the value of mistakes... and was't interested in being a 'saint' No new article can change how she touched many lives... Namaste sheri
Graylady
Mar 5 2006, 07:26 AM
atleast SHE helped the poor...
but all U are doing is just moving ur mouth...
ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS
Grow Up...
Chaos18
Mar 5 2006, 07:38 AM
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Mar 5 2006, 07:07 AM) [snapback]1090548[/snapback]
“What I do you cannot do; but what you do, I cannot do. The needs are great, and none of us, including me, ever do great things. But we can all do small things, with great love, and together we can do something wonderful.”
“Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.”
I prefer you to make mistakes in kindness than work miracles in unkindness.” Mother Theresa
IMO she would not care if she was sainted, she lived her live according to her ideals and accomplished much and it appears she was very clear that she used her life for a larger purpose, and she clearly saw the value of mistakes... and was't interested in being a 'saint' No new article can change how she touched many lives... Namaste sheri
It's not like she learned from her mistakes, she was relentlessly causing pain, she caused far more damage than good, sure it was a nice gesture that she tried to help people, but she wasn't committed at all, all she did was b**** about abortion, and tried to force people who were raped to keep their babies and not give them up for adoption, even for the 8 year old that was raped violently. She was just an unrelenting menace, you may call it devotion, but it was just pissing people off and making things even worse.
Chaos18
Mar 5 2006, 07:48 AM
I'm not just critisizing, i'm delivering this message, Mother Teresa is NOT a Christian, she is an idolater that worships bread, wine, statues, and men, idolatry is clearly in violation of one of the Commandments. You see, Jesus warned us about people who would come in his name, he kept warning of this. He kept saying about how many false Christians there would be, you've got to be more open minded.
Infact, the Vatican is nothing but bad news, they pronounced themselves as the one and only church and way to heaven,, if the Vatican is so damn holy, why did they kill billions of people that didn't see religion quite like the way they did, why did they promote, yes, promote cocain, they are the #1 cause of why cocain is the biggest drug problem on Earth- the pope promoted cocain big time. And Mother Teresa is directly connected with the Vatican, i mean WTF, religion does not need officials, that is idolatry, they are putting themselves in a position of being worshipped
Yelekiah
Mar 5 2006, 09:06 AM
QUOTE
You have me all wrong
No we don't have you wrong. It's just it helps if there is a link to go along (to help give latitude for a discussion).
But this is what I have a problem with:
QUOTE
they are the #1 cause of why cocain is the biggest drug problem on Earth- the pope promoted cocain big time.
Prove that they are the number 1 cause. You have a link on statistics?
Beckys_Mom
Mar 5 2006, 10:07 AM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 5 2006, 07:48 AM) [snapback]1090564[/snapback]
I'm not just critisizing, i'm delivering this message, Mother Teresa is NOT a Christian, she is an idolater that worships bread, wine, statues, and men, idolatry is clearly in violation of one of the Commandments. You see, Jesus warned us about people who would come in his name, he kept warning of this. He kept saying about how many false Christians there would be, you've got to be more open minded.
Infact, the Vatican is nothing but bad news, they pronounced themselves as the one and only church and way to heaven,, if the Vatican is so damn holy, why did they kill billions of people that didn't see religion quite like the way they did, why did they promote, yes, promote cocain, they are the #1 cause of why cocain is the biggest drug problem on Earth- the pope promoted cocain big time. And Mother Teresa is directly connected with the Vatican, i mean WTF, religion does not need officials, that is idolatry, they are putting themselves in a position of being worshipped
If anyone thinks like this needs help
Mother Tereasa doesn't owe you diddly squat...so can it
Beckys_Mom
Mar 5 2006, 10:14 AM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 5 2006, 07:48 AM) [snapback]1090564[/snapback]
I'm not just critisizing, i'm delivering this message, Mother Teresa is NOT a Christian, she is an idolater that worships bread, wine, statues, and men, idolatry is clearly in violation of one of the Commandments. You see, Jesus warned us about people who would come in his name, he kept warning of this. He kept saying about how many false Christians there would be, you've got to be more open minded.
Infact, the Vatican is nothing but bad news, they pronounced themselves as the one and only church and way to heaven,, if the Vatican is so damn holy, why did they kill billions of people that didn't see religion quite like the way they did, why did they promote, yes, promote cocain, they are the #1 cause of why cocain is the biggest drug problem on Earth- the pope promoted cocain big time. And Mother Teresa is directly connected with the Vatican, i mean WTF, religion does not need officials, that is idolatry, they are putting themselves in a position of being worshipped
FFS anyone that's NOT a flipping christian MUST be evil..

..will you at least try and make a decent thread...I mean geeesh...did she harm you personally? Did she kick you in the butt?.....WHY make such a thread filled with nonsence??? Hey here's a challenge why not go all the way to the vatican and set it on fire...if you make it out with out the mafia getting a hold of you..then to top everything off and to help you with your poor heartache and sorrow...why not see if you can dig her up from her grave and make sure she is really dead....I mean come on the woman helped people all her life...millions of people all across the world loved her and here you are bad mouthing her thinking everyone will say....oh yea you must be right...lets all dig her up again and burn her WTF??
Yelekiah
Mar 5 2006, 10:29 AM
QUOTE
Mother Teresa is NOT a Christian, she is an idolater that worships bread, wine, statues, and men, idolatry is clearly in violation of one of the Commandments.
No offense, but you seem a bit high-strung. Answer this: if someone tells a lie, does this mean they are not a Christian?
scipherel
Mar 5 2006, 10:47 AM
If you grew older like her, i'll pay you to do her job.
And if i grew older like her, i won't do her job even you pay me.
Is money worth more than a sacrifice ?
el_burdokai
Mar 5 2006, 11:54 AM
All the discussion is based on a biased publication by some indian journalist. Then some american journalists paste it in their works. If she transfered her donations to the Vatican I'm sure it was a really tiny share of all the money she got, a it was for missionary funds in Africa so what is the problem? Sure the hospital had bad conditionsm ffs there were no medics! Probably that was the only decent hospital in the whole Calcuta.
She is not a saint yet for a multitude of reasons. First, usually the santification occurs only about 50-100 years after one person's death, and only after detailed investigation by the Vatican's scientists. Then, did she do any miracle which cannot be explained by science? If not, she won't be santified so soon.
(31oha2a121)
Mar 5 2006, 11:55 AM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 5 2006, 07:48 AM) [snapback]1090564[/snapback]
I'm not just critisizing, i'm delivering this message, Mother Teresa is NOT a Christian, she is an idolater that worships bread, wine, statues, and men, idolatry is clearly in violation of one of the Commandments. You see, Jesus warned us about people who would come in his name, he kept warning of this. He kept saying about how many false Christians there would be, you've got to be more open minded.
Infact, the Vatican is nothing but bad news, they pronounced themselves as the one and only church and way to heaven,, if the Vatican is so damn holy, why did they kill billions of people that didn't see religion quite like the way they did, why did they promote, yes, promote cocain, they are the #1 cause of why cocain is the biggest drug problem on Earth- the pope promoted cocain big time. And Mother Teresa is directly connected with the Vatican, i mean WTF, religion does not need officials, that is idolatry, they are putting themselves in a position of being worshipped
dont forget the Vatician joined with MUSSOLINI at the unification of Italy? hmmm fascist roots? helping dictators doesnt sound very crhistian.
this isnt fair on the topic starter, only because your all christian, your all calling this topic wrong. open your mind, argue like REAL people dont just go 'WTF

' give him something to counter attack his arguemnt. so far all ive heard is some facts on his behalf followed by some christians going : 'YOUR WRONG YOUR WRONG, YOUR STUPID.' for followers of that religion i believe you also should respect others in theirs or theyre opinions. please for chrissake counter arguments like: she didnt build hospitals correctly, by, she didnt have the necesary means to do so.
not on;y this but on both sides of the argument, you both give Bible quotes. they can be taken ou of context almsot too easily nd thus are deemed, inconclusive. he truth is that the sources of the Bible, are too semiotic.
and i do believe in God...
Beckys_Mom
Mar 5 2006, 02:33 PM
QUOTE((31oha2a121) @ Mar 5 2006, 11:55 AM) [snapback]1090658[/snapback]
followers of that religion i believe you also should respect others in theirs or theyre opinions.
I respect other peoples beliefs in who
they worship and thats it...I don't have to respect those that create nonsense threads that b*tch and complain calling people like the late mother treasa evil...this is the Spirituality V's Skepticisim boards and if you have read most of the threads on board you will find that everyone will disagree with the topic running
QUOTE((31oha2a121) @ Mar 5 2006, 11:55 AM) [snapback]1090658[/snapback]
this isnt fair on the topic starter, only because your all christian,
FYI I am not a christian(never will be) and like I said above as theis is the spirituality v's skepticism boards...you will find other like me on here and quite a lot of them are NB'S..and non christians...I for one just believe in God...I don't have a religion to follow...I look beyond that
If the topic starter wants to bash a lady that million of people loved...let him do so...but don't think for one min he will get many supporters...read the board title again
ramster83
Mar 5 2006, 02:50 PM
QUOTE
this isnt fair on the topic starter, only because your all christian,
Go look at Polls conducted on this board- the Christians are actually a minority. There are more "Mixed Faiths/spirituals and Non Believers" than Christians on this board and the numbers prove it- so please get your facts straight.
JMPD1
Mar 5 2006, 04:24 PM
QUOTE((31oha2a121) @ Mar 5 2006, 06:55 AM) [snapback]1090658[/snapback]
dont forget the Vatician joined with MUSSOLINI at the unification of Italy? hmmm fascist roots? helping dictators doesnt sound very crhistian.
this isnt fair on the topic starter, only because your all christian, your all calling this topic wrong. open your mind, argue like REAL people dont just go 'WTF

' give him something to counter attack his arguemnt. so far all ive heard is some facts on his behalf followed by some christians going : 'YOUR WRONG YOUR WRONG, YOUR STUPID.' for followers of that religion i believe you also should respect others in theirs or theyre opinions. please for chrissake counter arguments like: she didnt build hospitals correctly, by, she didnt have the necesary means to do so.
not on;y this but on both sides of the argument, you both give Bible quotes. they can be taken ou of context almsot too easily nd thus are deemed, inconclusive. he truth is that the sources of the Bible, are too semiotic.
and i do believe in God...
First off sparky, I am not a christian.
Secondly, Chaos18 didn't post any of his source material until AFTER he got criticized.
Until then, he was spouting what could have been his opinion.
Thirdly, as far as I know, Mother Teresa never claimed to be a saint, she was only doing what her heart and her god wanted her to do.
Fourthly, is is oh so easy for some slacker to denigrate and revile a dead woman who spent her life trying to help, while all the slacker does is b*tch and moan.
Lastly, isn't Wikpedia the on-line encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit? I may be mistaken on this, but I think not. That means, as source material, it sucks because any lackwit without formal education and training can insert absurd and ridiculous claims into any article.
- Good Journey
Heru
Mar 5 2006, 06:10 PM
Princess diana I understand but mother Teresa?
Everything you posted that she did I cant find any evil taint in them. Just your view on her actions. But you cant Judge someone like that, If you judge someone you have to do it thru there eyes.
What did you want her to do setup a 4 star hospital. She gave them better than what they had to start with. Only a spoiled child would complain about not getting the best.
And the vatican isnt evil. Am I the only one who gets that just because you say your a church doesnt mean you have to kiss everyones @ss . They were an empire. And maybe someday they might rise again who knows. Stop looking at them as a church or romantisizing(cant spell sorry) religion.
Religion is the heart of a civilization. Color and region are a poor seperator but religion.... Rome saw it why cant you.
(31oha2a121)
Mar 5 2006, 08:37 PM
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Mar 5 2006, 02:33 PM) [snapback]1090725[/snapback]
I respect other peoples beliefs in who
they worship and thats it...I don't have to respect those that create nonsense threads that b*tch and complain calling people like the late mother treasa evil...this is the Spirituality V's Skepticisim boards and if you have read most of the threads on board you will find that everyone will disagree with the topic running
FYI I am not a christian(never will be) and like I said above as theis is the spirituality v's skepticism boards...you will find other like me on here and quite a lot of them are NB'S..and non christians...I for one just believe in God...I don't have a religion to follow...I look beyond that
If the topic starter wants to bash a lady that million of people loved...let him do so...but don't think for one min he will get many supporters...read the board title again

i stand corrected little one

you seem to have the same belief as i do, believing in god wheras not belonging to any religion.
oh yeah but kiddo... millions of people thought Hitler was a great man too... some still do. it just goes to show how brainwashed opinions can be. again i dont beleive she was evil, and to be fair i havent heard that much about her other than good things but you should consider what ive said at least.
QUOTE(ramster83 @ Mar 5 2006, 02:50 PM) [snapback]1090737[/snapback]
Go look at Polls conducted on this board- the Christians are actually a minority. There are more "Mixed Faiths/spirituals and Non Believers" than Christians on this board and the numbers prove it- so please get your facts straight.
fair enough. im not saying she was evil, all im saying is YOU should get you facts straight and think of where you heard she was 'good'. open your mind.
Imaginary Friend
Mar 5 2006, 08:56 PM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 5 2006, 06:44 AM) [snapback]1090537[/snapback]
You have me all wrong, i have so many different sources it isn't even freakin funny,,, of the most absolutely reliable of them would be Wikipedia.com,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_TeresaIf you look really closely, you'll be so surprised at how all of us are deceived, think, how they say that Satan is the master of deception and lies, you don't know how deceived we already are,,, but i'm not going into that right now, for fear that i may actually offend someone with the truth,,, but what could be more deceptive than an old lady holding her hands together in prayer, but is wicked and selfish inside in reality
Why?
It is impossible to take someone the wrong way, when that someone initiated this thread and gave it it's title, and supported that claim with sources unreliable. Even the "Absolutely reliable Wikipedia" link that says top center:
The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page."If you judge people, you have no time to love them." Mother Teresa Why?
Carajbu
Mar 5 2006, 09:01 PM
Mother Teresa's church was like a boiling pot of disease. The nurses handled sick patients with their own hands, and risked getting diseases. I admit that most of the patients died happy, finally being able to rest and think someone cared for them. But of course most things in the church weren't clean, but that doesn't mean Mother Teresa wasn't trying to help them. I think she did the best she could in India, of all places.
GIDEON MAGE
Mar 5 2006, 10:13 PM
what she could have done instead of following the essentially fascist doctrines of the rcc, is told these poor starving, diseased people about birth control. not my original criticism, but it is true. Just assisting suffering people when you had the power to truly help them is a horrible crime.
__Kratos__
Mar 5 2006, 10:23 PM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Mar 5 2006, 04:29 AM) [snapback]1090622[/snapback]
No offense, but you seem a bit high-strung. Answer this: if someone tells a lie, does this mean they are not a Christian?
"No point going to confession, if you have nothing to confess."

Religion sees we are also human, with temptation and desires.
Mother Teresa had to do something right in the eyes of the Pope because he broke some rules to push forward her sainthood a while back.
I saw someone say she was denied for sainthood. Is there any source for it? I just looked, didn't find anything.
Yelekiah
Mar 5 2006, 11:08 PM
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Mar 5 2006, 05:23 PM) [snapback]1091105[/snapback]
"No point going to confession, if you have nothing to confess."
That's Catholicism
__Kratos__
Mar 5 2006, 11:44 PM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Mar 5 2006, 05:08 PM) [snapback]1091160[/snapback]
That's Catholicism

Wasn't she Roman Catholic though?
I just heard that quote on Stargate SG-1 from this weeks show and thought it applied here.
Tornado
Mar 5 2006, 11:46 PM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 5 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1090243[/snapback]
The Ghoul of Calcutta
Hell's Angel
Mother Teresa was denied saint-hood for many reasons, and they aren't stupid ones, only a freakin idiot would consider her a saint, there is nothing saint-like about her deeds... i've heard of some bad things she did, but only a few accounts i can be certain of, if you know of any other bad deeds, then post them.
Bad Deed #1
Mis-use of charity money, it was supposed to go into hospitals for the poor in Calcutta, "Teresa refused to authorize the purchase of medical equipment" and the sh**loads of money that wasn't spent on hospitals went straight to the Vatican Bank, i mean, these hospitals she made were HORRIBLE, the nurses had no medical experience or knowledge infact their idea of sterilizing needles is rinsing them with warm water, they didn't separate the people who had tuberculosis from the people who didn't have it---they let so many people die who had perfectly curable diseases
there are other bad deeds, but i've gtg, running late,,,,,,,,anyone else wants to list it then please do so.
Talk about laying out the truth(?) when they're not around to stand up for themselves!
Either way, I couldn't give a toss.
AdNauseamSuiGeneris
Mar 5 2006, 11:50 PM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 5 2006, 02:48 AM) [snapback]1090564[/snapback]
why did they kill billions of people that didn't see religion quite like the way they did, why did they promote, yes, promote cocain, they are the #1 cause of why cocain is the biggest drug problem on Earth- the pope promoted cocain big time.
Billions of people? The Vatican is promoting the use of cocain? Where do you get this information from.
Yelekiah
Mar 5 2006, 11:53 PM
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Mar 5 2006, 06:44 PM) [snapback]1091207[/snapback]
Wasn't she Roman Catholic though?
My question was if someone tells a lie, does this mean they are not *Christian*. And you quoted me, so I assumed you were referring to Christianity.
__Kratos__
Mar 6 2006, 12:32 AM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Mar 5 2006, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1091223[/snapback]
My question was if someone tells a lie, does this mean they are not *Christian*. And you quoted me, so I assumed you were referring to Christianity.
Yeah, I was saying that to answer... you can't go to confession if you have nothing to confess - meaning even if you do lie, you can still be Christian, you can always go, confess and repent your sins.
Sorry for the confusion.
HurtingSpirit
Mar 6 2006, 12:47 AM
QUOTE(Chaos18 @ Mar 5 2006, 07:38 AM) [snapback]1090560[/snapback]
It's not like she learned from her mistakes, she was relentlessly causing pain, she caused far more damage than good, sure it was a nice gesture that she tried to help people, but she wasn't committed at all, all she did was b**** about abortion, and tried to force people who were raped to keep their babies and not give them up for adoption, even for the 8 year old that was raped violently. She was just an unrelenting menace, you may call it devotion, but it was just pissing people off and making things even worse.
Sounds like a christian to me.
Paranoid Android
Mar 6 2006, 12:50 AM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Mar 6 2006, 10:53 AM) [snapback]1091223[/snapback]
My question was if someone tells a lie, does this mean they are not *Christian*.
If an innocent man is hiding in my basement, someone comes in and says, Where is he - I'm going to shoot him! Would it be a sin for me to say he ran out the back and jumped the fence?
That's getting close to the Pharisees legalistic righteousness, following the Letter of the Law, not the Spirit of the Law. The Spirit of the Law of course being Love.
GIDEON MAGE
Mar 6 2006, 02:33 AM
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Mar 5 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]1091276[/snapback]
If an innocent man is hiding in my basement, someone comes in and says, Where is he - I'm going to shoot him! Would it be a sin for me to say he ran out the back and jumped the fence? That's getting close to the Pharisees legalistic righteousness, following the Letter of the Law, not the Spirit of the Law. The Spirit of the Law of course being Love.
just like those monks in the crusades, who swung morningstars filled with holy water, so the "sarazens" they killed were baptized before the monk bludgeoned him to death. Their battlecry was "be of a loving and forgiving heart" said during said actions. they just interpreted the spirit of the law to death, eh? no heartless letter of the law for those humble guys, eh?
Paranoid Android
Mar 6 2006, 02:38 AM
God will judge those monks by their actions.
Gideon, why do you always complain about people blaming Jews for the actions of their past, and then turn around and do exactly the same thing to Christians
Beckys_Mom
Mar 6 2006, 10:41 AM
QUOTE((31oha2a121) @ Mar 5 2006, 08:37 PM) [snapback]1090989[/snapback]
oh yeah but kiddo...
Awww how CUTE you must of looked at my profile and figured WOW she is 8 years older than me but wow she looks much younger so thanks for the compliment

how kind!!
QUOTE((31oha2a121) @ Mar 5 2006, 08:37 PM) [snapback]1090989[/snapback]
millions of people thought Hitler was a great man too...
Yeaa sure.....his men.(maybe even is mommy too lol) ..but for every person that followed Hitler a lot of them did it to keep their lives...and for every other person that did so out of their own free will...thousands more loved Mother Treasa....not feared her
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Mar 6 2006, 02:38 AM) [snapback]1091401[/snapback]
Gideon, why do you always complain about people blaming Jews for the actions of their past, and then turn around and do exactly the same thing to Christians

In the same way you made a thread saying Thats All Folks Cheeerriieeeooo ta ta, so long, goodbye and ya keep popping in, making more blog entries and posts...say PA....did you really mean goodbye or was that a thread to see if people would actually miss you if you REALLY did go?

or are we all going to see more and more of your "cameo's"!!?
(31oha2a121)
Mar 6 2006, 05:59 PM
[quote name='Beckys_Mom' date='Mar 6 2006, 10:41 AM' post='1091503']
Awww how CUTE you must of looked at my profile and figured WOW she is 8 years older than me but wow she looks much younger so thanks for the compliment

how kind!!
twas nothin' really darlin' everyone has a soft spot for me, just embrace it like the rest

i prefer older women anyway
Yeaa sure.....his men.(maybe even is mommy too lol) ..but for every person that followed Hitler a lot of them did it to keep their lives...and for every other person that did so out of their own free will...thousands more loved Mother Treasa....not feared her
and to be fair plenty of uneavil people liked hitler for what he promised, saying that is stupid as it says that every single german was evi, and that is bollocks

and if you looked up your history you would notice that people followed hitler freely until the later years of the war.
Beckys_Mom
Mar 6 2006, 06:30 PM
(31oha2a121) - I know people followed him I said this before but added for each one that did so out of their own free will...there was thousands more that loved Mother Treasa....
Psssstt --BTW I don't have a soft spot for ya..
EmpressV
Mar 6 2006, 06:57 PM
Being that I'm not a xian I could give this some weight, NOT. The fact that she was human with human emotion and action she pretty much gave most of her life to helping other people. This would be one of the most selfless acts one person could give to another in one lifetime. Reguardless of her human condition and ties to the church her karma was fulfilled by the goodness she put forth. I do believe there was much more greatness in the woman than an online reference could describe. There isn't a person on this earth (or ever was) that could go through life without fault. She would be one of the people I would consider as loyal if not anything. She held strong to her faith and to serving others for this alone she should be fondly remembered. I would like to see those people in here that are giving her a bad rap, go out into the world and give up as much as she did. That'll never happen.
amybutts
Mar 6 2006, 08:04 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Mar 6 2006, 11:57 AM) [snapback]1091789[/snapback]
Being that I'm not a xian I could give this some weight, NOT. The fact that she was human with human emotion and action she pretty much gave most of her life to helping other people. This would be one of the most selfless acts one person could give to another in one lifetime. Reguardless of her human condition and ties to the church her karma was fulfilled by the goodness she put forth. I do believe there was much more greatness in the woman than an online reference could describe. There isn't a person on this earth (or ever was) that could go through life without fault. She would be one of the people I would consider as loyal if not anything. She held strong to her faith and to serving others for this alone she should be fondly remembered. I would like to see those people in here that are giving her a bad rap, go out into the world and give up as much as she did. That'll never happen.

Well said. She was one person, trying to make a difference in the lives of those who really needed her, in a way she believed was best. Most of us (
myself included) could not give up our everyday comforts to go out and do for one week, what she spent a lifetime doing.
Instead of constant complaining, we should just try to do what we can, when we can, to help out others.
zandore
Mar 6 2006, 08:11 PM
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Mar 6 2006, 05:41 AM) [snapback]1091503[/snapback]
...say PA....
did you really mean goodbye or was that a thread to see if people would actually miss you if you REALLY did go?

or are we all going to see more and more of your "cameo's"!!?

And here I thought it was my mind playing tricks on me!
Beckys_Mom
Mar 6 2006, 08:30 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 6 2006, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1091831[/snapback]
And here I thought it was my mind playing tricks on me!

Me too
QUOTE(curiousity @ Mar 6 2006, 06:57 PM) [snapback]1091789[/snapback]
Being that I'm not a xian I could give this some weight, NOT. The fact that she was human with human emotion and action she pretty much gave most of her life to helping other people. This would be one of the most selfless acts one person could give to another in one lifetime. Reguardless of her human condition and ties to the church her karma was fulfilled by the goodness she put forth. I do believe there was much more greatness in the woman than an online reference could describe. There isn't a person on this earth (or ever was) that could go through life without fault. She would be one of the people I would consider as loyal if not anything. She held strong to her faith and to serving others for this alone she should be fondly remembered. I would like to see those people in here that are giving her a bad rap, go out into the world and give up as much as she did. That'll never happen.

Well said ...no matter how good a person has lead their life helping others and doing good...someone will still find time to moan about them almost as if they owed them something
Yelekiah
Mar 6 2006, 10:17 PM
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Mar 5 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]1091276[/snapback]
If an innocent man is hiding in my basement, someone comes in and says, Where is he - I'm going to shoot him! Would it be a sin for me to say he ran out the back and jumped the fence?
You brought up an interesting situation, but that was not my point. I mean a regular lie.
(31oha2a121)
Mar 6 2006, 10:53 PM
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Mar 6 2006, 06:30 PM) [snapback]1091768[/snapback]
(31oha2a121) - I know people followed him I said this before but added for each one that did so out of their own free will...there was thousands more that loved Mother Treasa....
Psssstt --BTW I don't have a soft spot for ya..

youre so cute when you lie
mako
Mar 6 2006, 11:16 PM
I have read material written by sisters of her group/coven or whatever they call it, that say she was as bad as alleged before. I don't know, having never met the lady, but I doubt if she was actually good enough to warrant canonization.
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