Mad Manfred
Mar 6 2006, 01:15 PM
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/why_become.htmlAn interesting link. Take a look.
This gave me a chuckle:
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I saw that many people had different reasons for believing in Gods, including (somewhat over-simplified):
* They had simply been indoctrinated at an early age, and the beliefs became so much a part of their life that the idea of questioning or doubting simply never occurred to them. They believe it because they have just always known it to be true. (As mentioned above, people usually end up with whatever the religion of their family happens to be.)
* They feel that we must be here for a purpose. The universe and this beautiful Earth cannot all be a pointless accident, and God is the best explanation. We are all here for a reason, but only God knows exactly what that reason is and we'll just have to trust him.
* A sense of justice. It's not fair for evil people to commit all sorts of terrible acts and simply escape punishment by dying. The idea of heaven/hell ensures that good people are rewarded and bad people are suitable punished.
* A deep objection to being merely "animals". Many creationists, for instance, are offended at the idea that humans simply evolved along with all other animals. God made us separate and special, and we have a "soul" but the animals do not (biological snobbery?).
* Comfort. Many people find it very comforting to believe that a loving God is always watching over them and caring for them, and when anything good or bad happens to them, this is all part of his Plan for their life. Also, religion is obviously very comforting when faced with the death of a loved one. It's much easier and more reassuring to believe that Grandma is free from pain now, up in Heaven with Jesus where she's waiting for us to join her for eternity, than to think that she has simply ceased to exist and the universe will have forgotten her in a couple of generations.
* Afterlife. It seems almost incomprehensible to believe that when your body dies, your existence ends. Sensation and awareness are so much a part of our existence that it is extremely difficult to imagine no longer being able to experience anything. Try to imagine that, for example, a big meteor crashes into your house and instantly kills you at the end of this paragraph. We just cannot imagine not existing or abruptly ceasing to be aware and conscious, and so it is quite natural to think that something will continue to exist after the death of our brain. It's a short step from there to accepting the idea of an immortal soul, and heaven or reincarnation or some other form of afterlife.
aquatus1
Mar 6 2006, 01:36 PM
I pretty much agree. I didn't choose to become an atheist. I just, after a couple of years of agnosticism, suddenly realized I was one.
Mekorig
Mar 6 2006, 04:46 PM
I agree whit the point listed above. I turned atheist after some years of analizing what can i ain from religion, and it implications in society. I see that religion didnt "give" anything worthwile" to my life, and it dont help in society. In fact, sometimes it hampers the logical developing of society. Thats why i am an atheist.
Imaginary Friend
Mar 6 2006, 05:01 PM
I remember that Atheists don't believe anything "super" natural is guiding or god like over this reality. And then I think that is a faith in it's own way, and yet realistic in the same respect. As in, all things are natural, therefore there can be nothing supernatural in nature.
Perhaps then Atheism is the faith of realism. It would certainly save me a fortune on candles and incense, if all that suddenly made sense to me too.

Actually, it does in many ways but that's neither here nor there.
*edit phrasing*
EmpressV
Mar 6 2006, 06:12 PM
I became a nonbeliever at the age of 20 when I discovered that nothing in religion made sense. The history I researched didn't line up with the history in the bibles. Another thing that struck me was that religous books dictated things that are absolutely impossible, ie; virgin births, feeding the masses with little product, changing water to wine (unless they had merlot powder) and resurrection. Not to mention that the whole time I was a xian I never experienced anything remotely resembling a god and still haven't.
Andrewxania
Mar 6 2006, 07:58 PM
I'm an atheist because the existence of God (or Gods) can't be proved.
I do believe that other powerfull (or different) entities exist, however since I can't be sure if they fall in the God status I just can't consider them being Gods.
Beckys_Mom
Mar 6 2006, 08:33 PM
I think people become non belivers because they have been down the road of religion before and got nothing from it...things don't make sense to them...ir - The bible...and for that its pretty understandable
zandore
Mar 6 2006, 08:42 PM
Not a bad find Manfred.
"The philosophy of Atheism represents a concept of life without any metaphysical Beyond or Divine Regulator. It is the concept of an actual, real world with its liberating, expanding and beautifying possibilities, as against an unreal world, which, with its spirits, oracles, and mean contentment has kept humanity in helpless degradation".Emma Goldman
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 6 2006, 08:46 PM
I expereinced atheism as a transitory Phase, a resting place to gather the strength and wisdom and insight for a truth that would not be excepted by the majority, and to forge a relationship with myself and in doing so i found that most of what I was taught was incomplete and in error, As an athiest i remembered who i was (All of it I AM THAT I AM) and if that "truth"lives in me then it lives in anyone. Religion likes to claim superiority over the principles of life' which are inherent to all,(the ironic part is religion decieves only itself ) I have transitioned out of Athiesm and gone on to remember new journeys and i will continue onward, i found Athiesm to be the first signs of sanity in my case, Instead of the lights are on but none is home .........
Atheism is really just partytime, the only thing to fear is fear itself................he he lol
Thanato
Mar 6 2006, 09:07 PM
I am an athiest because i belive in Reality not the imaginary (Tho i have a bit imagination lol

)
~Thanato
Nadal
Mar 6 2006, 09:16 PM
I'm agnostic reincarnationist because I really don't want to limit myself to one possibility, so I accept them all. However, like many I believe in reincarnation strongly.
ShaunZero
Mar 6 2006, 09:19 PM
QUOTE(Andrewxania @ Mar 6 2006, 07:58 PM) [snapback]1091814[/snapback]
I'm an atheist because the existence of God (or Gods) can't be proved.
I do believe that other powerfull (or different) entities exist, however since I can't be sure if they fall in the God status I just can't consider them being Gods.
......
You don't believe in God because it can't be proved, but you believe in other powerful entities wich can't be proved, lol.
Andrewxania
Mar 6 2006, 10:53 PM
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 6 2006, 11:19 PM) [snapback]1091993[/snapback]
......
You don't believe in God because it can't be proved, but you believe in other powerful entities wich can't be proved, lol.
According to modern Physics more than 3 dimensions exist.
Hawking has made some guesses whether creatures exist in these dimensions.
Since a creature could be made to exist in more dimensions that we understand it is certainly superior to us, however it can't be considered to have reached God status. Since we're in an unexplained mysteries forum, many people here call these creatures angels. ghosts, spirits, demons etc.
theoric
Mar 6 2006, 11:27 PM
gods are like training wheels on a bicycle.
eventually some no longer need that extra support and security,
for they can now ride on their own.
ShaunZero
Mar 6 2006, 11:34 PM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 6 2006, 11:27 PM) [snapback]1092212[/snapback]
gods are like training wheels on a bicycle.
eventually some no longer need that extra support and security,
for they can now ride on their own.
That's a little mean towards those with faith isn't it? Some similar things can be said about Atheists. They don't have the ability to live by too many rules, they can't accept the idea of being "smaller" than something "beyond" them, or it's too much to understand/accept, etc...
But note I'm not saying any of those things.
theoric
Mar 6 2006, 11:43 PM
why is it mean, zero?
if one needs "a guiding hand", it is one's need.
if the next does not need "a guiding hand", that one simply does not need it.
pride, and arrogance may stop one from taking a helping hand,
that person may do fine without it,
they may have done "better" with it,
but you believe in freedom of choice, correct?
If one does not need the hand, let him/her be.
The opposite happens as well,
Some try to ride the bike without training wheels,
and they fall,
and they get up,
and they fall,
and they get up,
and they fall,
but then something else happens,
they beleive they can not learn to ride the bike on their own,
so they seek help, or they simply quit.
BUT, that person will not know what would have happened,
had they tried, and tried, and tried again.
SO they reinforce their decision.
and gladly take the training wheels, or never ride the bike.
But what of these higher powers?
the greatest powers are equal to you,
the fundamental powers fuel you,
and the higher powers only hold such rank because YOU judged them superior to yourself.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 6 2006, 11:47 PM
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 6 2006, 05:34 PM) [snapback]1092225[/snapback]
That's a little mean towards those with faith isn't it? Some similar things can be said about Atheists. They don't have the ability to live by too many rules, they can't accept the idea of being "smaller" than something "beyond" them, or it's too much to understand/accept, etc...
But note I'm not saying any of those things.
Well hyper , i guess Zero put his training wheels back on, Zero come on why would you be 'plugging' to be samller and less then??? You aren't making sense LB namaste sheri
ShaunZero
Mar 6 2006, 11:50 PM
If there is something beyond what we are, I have absolutley no problem with admitting they are "above us" at all. I don't see why anyone would, unless they have a huge ego.
theoric
Mar 6 2006, 11:53 PM
considering you don't know what it is since it is outside of perceptual range how can you rank it at all?
now you can rank fundamental forces, since they are the building blocks of the universe, and thus you.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 6 2006, 11:55 PM
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 6 2006, 05:50 PM) [snapback]1092251[/snapback]
If there is something beyond what we are, I have absolutley no problem with admitting they are "above us" at all. I don't see why anyone would, unless they have a huge ego.
Why not have no problem admitting you aren't less then, that would serve you nicely Zero......Try it...
mklsgl
Mar 6 2006, 11:56 PM
IMO, Atheism is the denial of possibility. The existence or non-existence of [G-d] is certainly one the ultimate Unknowns. However, again IMO, it doesn't make sense to deny a plausible possibility. I understand non-belief in organized religions and I understand belief in organized religions but to claim disbelief in the possibility of [G-d] seems too extreme to me.
Science can explain why and how there are roses growing on this planet but science cannot explain why and how they are beautiful.
ShaunZero
Mar 6 2006, 11:56 PM
I said IF it was beyond us. However that would be, but if we did know something "beyond us" I'd have no problem accepting that.
-sigh-
Did you really have to make me go through that?
ShaunZero
Mar 6 2006, 11:58 PM
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Mar 6 2006, 11:55 PM) [snapback]1092257[/snapback]
Why not have no problem admitting you aren't less then, that would serve you nicely Zero......Try it...
I don't know why you feel the need to be equal to everything. Either way, it doesn't change who I am. I don't care if I'm above or below something else, I'm still me. I don't have a need to be equal to all things.
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IMO, Atheism is the denial of possibility.
Somewhat true. If one denies that any God can exist, then you're in denial of possability. You should not think in absolutes. Such as "Gods DO NOT exist" or "Gods CAN'T exist". I just consider myself open to possabilities.
theoric
Mar 7 2006, 12:01 AM
zero,
anything could exist.
but only YOU can make it a god!
EmpressV
Mar 7 2006, 12:49 AM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 6 2006, 08:01 PM) [snapback]1092272[/snapback]
zero,
anything could exist.
but only YOU can make it a god!
This is one for the books hyper along with my personal favorite "gods only exist in the minds of those that believe in them".
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 7 2006, 12:50 AM
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 6 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]1092266[/snapback]
I don't know why you feel the need to be equal to everything. Either way, it doesn't change who I am. I don't care if I'm above or below something else, I'm still me. I don't have a need to be equal to all things.
Somewhat true. If one denies that any God can exist, then you're in denial of possability. You should not think in absolutes. Such as "Gods DO NOT exist" or "Gods CAN'T exist". I just consider myself open to possabilities.
Zero being equal isn't a need its nature, men deems things have hieriarchial order, You are in essence saying its kool if I'm a victim, there are no victims in nature either, anyways Zero you are equal to all things and you are certainly free to beleive you aren't wht might change though is the way you experince life though... you are only telling me your uncomfortable with thinking yourself as equal to all things, I think the Athiest is saying I choose not to beleive in man made 'gods' I see atheism as the door way to possibilitys not the closing off of them, but then again its all about our comfort zine i suppose, Life often begins at the end of ones comfort zone......i
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 7 2006, 12:53 AM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Mar 6 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]1092337[/snapback]
This is one for the books hyper along with my personal favorite "gods only exist in the minds of those that believe in them".

Curiousity Hyper is indeed full of wisdom today, my personal favorite is the new religon i theism,

Namaste sheri
isis-999
Mar 7 2006, 12:57 AM
I think people lose faith in God when they make bad choice's..It's easier to believe he can't be real and this is why bad stuff happens to me then to say your at fault ...
I have heard people say after losing a love one that God couldn't be real because if he was, he'd never let bad thing's happen to good people...Its really sad if you think about it..
Just because you can't see or touch him you think he's not real...Very few people can understand what true faith is....
P4P3R T1G3R2
Mar 7 2006, 12:58 AM
I used to be an atheist...but now it makes no sence to me. Science is in strong favor of God, accuracy of the Bible and its prophecys, and the consciousness has always been a plus.
EmpressV
Mar 7 2006, 01:05 AM
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Mar 6 2006, 08:50 PM) [snapback]1092340[/snapback]
Zero being equal isn't a need its nature, men deems things have hieriarchial order, You are in essence saying its kool if I'm a victim, there are no victims in nature either, anyways Zero you are equal to all things and you are certainly free to beleive you aren't wht might change though is the way you experince life though... you are only telling me your uncomfortable with thinking yourself as equal to all things, I think the Athiest is saying I choose not to beleive in man made 'gods' I see atheism as the door way to possibilitys not the closing off of them, but then again its all about our comfort zine i suppose, Life often begins at the end of ones comfort zone......i
I guess it's true sheri that in this world there are leaders

and there are followers.
I too see the opening of doors and windows to possibilities with the removal of manmade entities. Remove the obstruction and you're free to explore.
Stellar
Mar 7 2006, 01:06 AM
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I used to be an atheist...but now it makes no sence to me. Science is in strong favor of God, accuracy of the Bible and its prophecys, and the consciousness has always been a plus.
How so?
Venomshocker
Mar 7 2006, 01:41 AM
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But what of these higher powers?
the greatest powers are equal to you,
the fundamental powers fuel you,
and the higher powers only hold such rank because YOU judged them superior to yourself.
.....
anything could exist.
but only YOU can make it a god!
Wow, true words of wisdom.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 7 2006, 01:48 AM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Mar 6 2006, 07:05 PM) [snapback]1092371[/snapback]
I guess it's true sheri that in this world there are leaders

and there are followers.
I too see the opening of doors and windows to possibilities with the removal of manmade entities. Remove the obstruction and you're free to explore.
Very well said Lady C. Namaste sheri
Beckys_Mom
Mar 7 2006, 11:44 AM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 6 2006, 11:27 PM) [snapback]1092212[/snapback]
gods are like training wheels on a bicycle.
eventually some no longer need that extra support and security,
for they can now ride on their own.
LOL Ilike that one...it makes sense
capeo
Mar 7 2006, 02:28 PM
I don't know about "becoming" an atheist, as I've always been one, so I never had cataclysmic loss of faith or any such thing. It's simply that, in all my years, no set of circumstances, no causes nor experiences or realizations ever compelled me towards the existence of a God. For years I was a climber and I had quite a few, "holy crap, I'm gonna die" experiences and not once was there any insight past "well, it's the fate of all things". I've lost good friends to climbing (one my best friend) and again of course there was anguish but comfort did come in the form of rational realization, a realization that this is life and its interwoven with death inextricably, yet again no insight to a vast plan or design leapt into my reality, simply the nature of things. Straddling the crests of mountains, literally sitting on the backbone of the world staring out over great gulfs endless valleys and peaks, my breath is always taken away by the sight and the feeling, why else climb, but always I was astounded by the vast network of endless natural forces from mountain making to the tiniest, nameless little flowering succulent poking out between the cracks on a mountain peak. That was what was so compelling and beautiful: the very lack of design or reason or any sense of planning. The feeling of being insignificant before a vast universe and at once feeling like the center of it.
zandore
Mar 7 2006, 02:35 PM
QUOTE(Andrewxania @ Mar 6 2006, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1092149[/snapback]
According to modern Physics more than 3 dimensions exist.
Hawking has made some guesses whether creatures exist in these dimensions.
Since a creature could be made to exist in more dimensions that we understand it is certainly superior to us, however it can't be considered to have reached God status. Since we're in an unexplained mysteries forum, many people here call these creatures angels. ghosts, spirits, demons etc.
Steven Hawking made guesses about creatures and these creatures are superior to us?
Your own words say they are just guesses.....
zandore
Mar 7 2006, 02:44 PM
QUOTE(P4P3R T1G3R2 @ Mar 6 2006, 07:58 PM) [snapback]1092355[/snapback]
I used to be an atheist...but now it makes no sence to me..

WOW isn't that a coincidence.....I used to be a Christian!
QUOTE(P4P3R T1G3R2 @ Mar 6 2006, 07:58 PM) [snapback]1092355[/snapback]
Science is in strong favor of God, accuracy of the Bible and its prophecys, and the consciousness has always been a plus.
**Puts rubber boots on**
Can you explain just what you mean?
el_burdokai
Mar 7 2006, 02:48 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 7 2006, 02:35 PM) [snapback]1093096[/snapback]
Steven Hawking made guesses about creatures and these creatures are superior to us?
Your own words say they are just guesses.....
It's just hipothetical. What he means is that if they existed they would be superior to us since they would be aware of more dimensions than we do.
EmpressV
Mar 7 2006, 02:58 PM
QUOTE(el_burdokai @ Mar 7 2006, 10:48 AM) [snapback]1093106[/snapback]
It's just hipothetical. What he means is that if they existed they would be superior to us since they would be aware of more dimensions than we do.
I don't think that makes them superior, It makes them more enlightened. Nothing should be held more superior than yourself. You should be the most supreme being in your life. If people would get that we wouldn't have so much hate and fear in our world.
zandore
Mar 7 2006, 02:58 PM
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What he means is that if they existed they would be superior to us since they would be aware of more dimensions than we do.
I understand what he was trying to say
IF these hypothetical beings real how would they know of us? Could they not be limited in their perceptions of dimensional reality like we are?
BazookaTooth
Mar 7 2006, 07:54 PM
I was told the biblical stories as a child and sure at the early ages as pretty much everyone you take it in,but then when I was old enough to think for myself ligistically,I questioned a few things such as how can something exist if you can't see it.The older I got the more sceptical I got.
The one thing though that really made me an atheist was not the pure lack of evidence but the "it was Gods will for them to die" concept.I would never believe or worship something that would create life and then vindictively take it away,or grant a life of suffering.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 7 2006, 08:18 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Mar 7 2006, 08:58 AM) [snapback]1093111[/snapback]
I don't think that makes them superior, It makes them more enlightened. Nothing should be held more superior than yourself. You should be the most supreme being in your life. If people would get that we wouldn't have so much hate and fear in our world.

ShaunZero
Mar 7 2006, 08:20 PM
Unconfortable? I thought I already stated I could care less who's what. I don't care if I'm higher, below or equal to anything. Doesn't change who I am, and couldn't bother me in the least.
I have no opinion on if we're all equal [I believe all humans are equal though] to all other things. I just think it seems likley that there's possibly something above us humans. Call them angels, call them demons, hell call them pancakes if you like!
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I don't think that makes them superior, It makes them more enlightened. Nothing should be held more superior than yourself. You should be the most supreme being in your life. If people would get that we wouldn't have so much hate and fear in our world.
Riiiiight. If I put myself above others I'd be one snotty SOB.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 7 2006, 08:34 PM
You are defining superior through the religious construct curiousity ddn't mean it in that awareness......It seems you are gonna argue your way into thinking of yourself as equal zero lol
Bella-Angelique
Mar 7 2006, 08:42 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Mar 7 2006, 09:58 AM) [snapback]1093111[/snapback]
Nothing should be held more superior than yourself. You should be the most supreme being in your life.
That type of person is called a psychopath.
Bella-Angelique
Mar 7 2006, 08:43 PM
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 7 2006, 03:20 PM) [snapback]1093546[/snapback]
I have no opinion on if we're all equal [I believe all humans are equal though] to all other things. I just think it seems likley that there's possibly something above us humans. Call them angels, call them demons, hell call them pancakes if you like!
How about older, wiser, and more evolved?
ShaunZero
Mar 7 2006, 09:04 PM
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Mar 7 2006, 08:43 PM) [snapback]1093567[/snapback]
How about older, wiser, and more evolved?

But none of that really makes you ABOVE someone else. Because let's face, everyone is better or worse at something than someone else.
theoric
Mar 7 2006, 09:44 PM
all these measures of better, worse, above, below are the attempts of the social animal to understand its place.
it serves the animalistic,
it represents how so much of you is dependent on others.
for you need these others for you to have your rank.
and thus, they make you, or they make your ego.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 7 2006, 09:48 PM
Very well said Hyper, becasue in truth one is all things thus needing nothing, need is definitly a by product of conditions, this is what I beleive curiousity was conveying, dependence and interdependence are two different things, even a mother eventually lets the child go, to hang on is to create dysfunctions.....

Namaste Sheri
ShaunZero
Mar 7 2006, 09:51 PM
That doesn't apply to me, because like I said, I could care less.
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