I am curious if it will only be the Christian community that will have ideological problems with the emergences of VeriChip initiative as part of the NWO.
As it is a Biblical prophesy would those that hold no credence to the bible have any other problems with it such as privacy or security.
For those not familiar with the prophesy, here is an article by Tom Horn of RNU.
THE FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY?
Many Christians believe that, before long, an antichrist system will appear. It will be a New World Order, under which national boundaries dissolve, and ethnic groups, ideologies, religions, and economics from around the world, orchestrate a single and dominant sovereignty. The system will supposedly be free of religious and political extremes, and membership will tolerate the philosophical and cultural differences of its constituents. Except for minor nonconformities, war, terrorism, and hunger will be a thing of the past.
According to popular Biblical interpretation, a single personality will surface at the head of the utopian administration. He will appear as a man of distinguished character, but will ultimately become "a king of fierce countenance" (Dan. 8:23).
With imperious decree the Antichrist will facilitate the one-world government, universal religion, and globally monitored socialism. Those who refuse his New World Order will inevitably be imprisoned or destroyed, until at last he exalts himself "above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he, as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4).
The Antichrist's widespread power will be derived at the expense of individual human liberties. He will force "all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six [666]" (Rev. 13:16-18).
For many years the idea that humans could somehow succumb to little more than branded cattle, and that rugged individualism would thereafter be sacrificed for an anesthetized universal harmony, was repudiated by America’s greatest minds.

Then, in the 1970’s, things began to change. Following a call by Nelson Rockefeller for the creation of a "New World Order," presidential candidate Jimmy Carter campaigned, saying, "We must replace balance of power politics with world order politics."
During the 1980's President George Bush continued the one-world dirge, announcing over national television that "a New World Order" had arrived. Following the initial broadcast, President Bush addressed the Congress, saying,
What is at stake is more than one small country [Kuwait], it is a big idea--a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle, and worthy of our children’s future!
Ever since the President's astonishing newscast, a parade of political and religious leaders have discharged a profusion of rhetoric aimed at implementing the goals of a New World Order.

Tom Horn editorial

I am sure non believers will have problems accepting these id chips for a whole host of reasons. I am curious about the significance of the 666 element. Obviously it should become more obvious as to its meaning closer to the time of fullfillment, otherwise we would not have been told to be wise and look for it!

I am sure many will come on posting that Christians have always been spouting that the 'end is nigh' etc etc, however the political, economic, technological and religious climate of modern society sure makes revelation seem like an impending occurrance! I read somewhere about 'an explosion of knowledge' in the latter days, surley the past 100 years have been a revolution in knowlege and it is accelerating month by month never mind year by year.

But I still feel we have a few generations to go before all that will come to pass actually does.

Since the Beast 666 was the Emperor Nero, who died a long time ago, the argument is irrelevant.

Oh really? do continue, please. Id like your reasons and proof for this assertion. Do you know what the author meant? At least you are admitting he meant something, not just high on lsd or something stupid.

Since that is just your opinion should those that oppose your perspective ignore this thread or would it be easer for you to realize yours is not the only opinion or perhaps you should ignore this thread.

I knew the "mark" was here with the advent of the Debit card. Carried in the palm of the hand, the PIN number retained in the mind (forehead, per the prophecy of the mark). Then came the Pet finder implantable chips. Then the media, the accomplice in propagating the NWO, began to report stories the likes of which made it seem as if child abduction was at epidemic levels, so it was suggested those pet chips might be expanded to insure security for our kids as well as our animals.

I knew the adult population was next, when direct deposit for Federal contractors and/or employees was initiated. No paper currency exchanged, you just work and the salary is automatically deposited into an account. (Which would mean if that became the standard, and one did not sign up for direct deposit much less have a bank account, they weren't paid!)
Now we witness the media focus on identity theft , seemingly at "epidemic" proportions. And what a perfect opportunity to incorporate that chip into that fearful condition, as a seeming solution to personal protection!

The system of control exploits our fears to sell us on wearing the chains that enslave us to the will of others, who claim we should consider it our patriotic duty to insure national and personal security. And then they tell us it's our responsibility as voters (whether we do vote or not), because this is a representative democracy, as if we did it to ourselves.

Government is the devil, it's administrations are the demons, citizens are the damned and the country that hosts it all is Hell.
And if one thinks they save themselves by moving from one country into the jurisdiction of another, (like from America to Canada) they need read Dante's Inferno to realize they haven't left hell, they just altered their place in it. And, imho, if one wishes to witness the "Anti"-Christ , they have but to wait for 2008 or just before, when Bush declares Martial law and sits in command of the Totalitarian Federalist America he has cultivated since 2001, forever!

gee-how many web sites do you want?

http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchi...eror-beast.html

http://www.reformed.org/eschaton/beast.html

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html

http://www.scccs.org/scccs/word/PenpointArticle.asp?id=7

http://www.iei.net/~doghouse/beast_id.htm

http://www.cannon-tech.com/Christ/NeroCeaser.html

http://www.bibleandscience.com/bible/books/revelation.htm

Enjoy-these all seem to be Xian websites.

Even those who aren't christian know 666 and the whole micro chip theory.

I don't see how one charasmatic man is going to decieve everyone into giving up their civil liberties. I think for the most part it wouldn't float with a majority of people in the world. People are already paranoid about GPS tracking. Religious or not I'm not letting anyone put a computer device in my skin.

not only that, you won't get any Jews to agree to it, even very non-religious ones.

Thank you Gideon, you actually gave an answer to my initial question

Why would they not agree to it? Would the objection be on religious grounds or other reasoning.
Thanks Irish

Part of my family is Jewish and I know partially it would be on religious grounds however; many Jews that are secular do not abide fully by the torah. I know in my family the reason for not doing it would mostly lye on civil liberties. Every Jewish person I know and am related to are what people would think of as liberals.

because it would be right up there with tatoos or piercings. This is why (maybe) the Nazis tatooed Jews immediately after they arrived in concentration camps, because it was against their religion. an implant would be like a tatoo, very treif (not kosher). Any unnecessary damage to the body is forbidden. I was not even raised in the religion, nor do I follow it, but I have always been horrified by tatoos and such things. Why is this an answer to your original question?

My original question was
"I am curious if it will only be the Christian community that will have ideological problems with the emergences of VeriChip initiative as part of the NWO?"
And thanks again I learnt something today I did Know about Jews.
At least there will be some form of united front should a NWO attempt to implement such a system.
Irish

Irish one can only be decieved by choice and listening to so called gypsy tales, so lets see if I got this Religon fearing growth of any kind had come up with a story to keep its followers paranoid, it seems in line with the rest of the tales religon spins, don't beleive it, is My 2 cents ....Namaste sheri

One can only know the truth by having a few choices to base their decision process on.
Sheri would you not think it would in the best interest of mass control to not have people believe in as you say in Gypsy tales. Seems to me it would be a greater problem in that people would be divided and much harder to control.

Let me get this right. I cannot believe what you have just done here Gid! I really cant.
You have spent weeks, years maybe of time in trying to disprove the bibles authenticity then you post sites like these which claim that the prophecy contained in revelation has actually come true via nero!!!!!!!!!!!! OK I may not agree with your theory but welcome to our gang my friend, finally you admit belief in the supernatural authenticity of the word of God, but via an erroneous theory.............priceless!

see these;
http://www.raptureready.com/rap666.html


By the way;

Nero:
Here again there are many striking resemblances to the Antiuchrist. In his office of emperor of the Romans; in his awful impiety; in his consuming egotism, in his bloodthirsty nature; and in his ferocious and fiendish persecution of the people of God, we discover some of the very lineaments which will be characteristic of the Wicked One. But again it will be found that this man of infamous memory, Nero, did nothing more than foreshadow that one who shall far exceed him in satanic malignity. Positive proof that Nero was not the Antichrist is to be found in the fact that he was in his grave before John wrote the thirteenth chapter of the Revelation.

taken from; http://religion-cults.com/antichrist/types.htm

What does the Beast stand for?What is the root of all evil?What does 666 marking of people mean? The beast in my terms stands for Money in revelations John says the 1st beast got wounded $ and the 2nd beast is on the up euros . The marking 666 is the number of a man in a system where he is counted like Cattle therefore worshiping such a Image is not good 4 man & the Earth cause it has caused wars.Those who know would understand this in revelations.

i once heard an urban legend that "666" is encoded into every barcode in UPC labels, thus claiming the mark is already upon society.

ah so you have little faith in the inherent goodness of man, based on what irish??gypsy tales..... many except what they are taught no quetions asked, i see that as a waste....
No Irish if people let go of their shackles they would overnight rise to a grander version of humanity...I'd stake the bible on it .

Assuming you are saying the bible is fantasy, keep in mind that the world government aka new world order is a definite. Many know about it and it actually makes a lot of sense. many in the new age, and occult, and those who trust the authorities will go along with it as if was just another day on earth. Nothing to worry about. mainly the Christians are the ones who will resist.

Simply because they are expecting the world government to be ruled by Satan, while the occult believes it will be ruled by the hierarchy of the enlightened ones, possibly lucifer, but Lucifer is good, and Christians are the deceived.

I was rambling but hope that makes some sense.

No you make alot of sense scooby

When the Air Force shaved my head years ago, I had a birth mark above my left ear. Am I the anti-christ?

Aww geeze...I knew this day would come...

*Grabs rifle and runs off into the forest*

Follow me and ye shall be...
Aw ferget it!

great where gonna die.

I remember that rumor. The truth about the 666 in Barcodes

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (charagma; [Greek charax] meaning to stake into or "stick into") in their right hand, or in their foreheads....Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six (Rev. 13:16-18)

i have a scrare! the same thing that the x-ray shows! OMG!

nope. just arguing on the side of logic. and revelation is not a prophecy about nero, is is a political diatribe against him, stating what had already happened when it was written. the style of writing was very popular when it was written. the church, 400 years later, at the council of constantinople, either didn't know, or didn't care. they just wanted to impress pagans, to save the empire for theodosius. i found all the web sites i listed in about 30 seconds. there seem to be a lot of people who understand that the beast was nero, based on the multitude of web sites. if you google theodosius, or, god forbid, actually read a book or two abvout the library of alexandria, you might learn something. study, or read a book.

This was exactly what I was thinking. Plus, Revelation is apocryphal and I don't think it was meant to be literal really.

However in revelations, it says only jews and pure christians will identify the beast as being the false Jesus. If what you say is true GID, and they will not receive these chips in there bodies, you can then link it to the fact because they identify it being as the mark of the beast.

What the? But that would completely destroy democracy as we know it, and furthermore I doubt that the people (probably alot of governers too) would never agree to such a ludicrous course of action against their right to help choose who leads them! Such an action would cause a revolution within america, and as we know, eventually the military will be involved, and the place will be a war zone! (Though maybe not, since maybe the military might feel more faith to their country than their president), but either way Revolution would reap great losses to the country, and maybe even the world!
Wait... Did'nt Nostradamus predict a Revolution within America? O_O
Creep-ay...

I think Bush is actually tired of being president now.
I suspect a lot of the fun has gone out of it for him.

Naw, it'll be either his brother or nephew (George S. Bush).

So if I'm so intelligent that I identify the Beast (I'm a strong proponent of a non-global community, keeping our own cultures, and the destruction of any attempt for globization and a one-world community), that means I'm a Christian?

Even though I'm extremely Nihilistic and a follower of various Occult theories.