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QUOTE(Lycan @ Mar 21 2006, 09:51 PM) *
Kratos- I completely agree with you for Elizabeth Bathory! She was insane.

My other choices are Vlad the Impaler (basis for Bram Stoker's Dracula), estimated to have killed over 100,000 people, often through his form of impalement, which is..well..there is NO way to put it lightly. Up the rear and out the mouth.

The Green River Killer, (I forgot his real name) killed/raped about 60 people.

Jack the Ripper and the Zodiac Killer as well, simply because they really did get away with murder; no one knows who they really were!

Green River Killer was Gary Ridgeway.
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QUOTE(LostLittleGirl @ Apr 20 2006, 01:30 PM) *
The clown killer gives alot of people the creeps. I heard of this on guy who has some paintings by him. Gacy did a portiat (sp?) of his son for the kid's 3rd birthday.

Gacy did a lot of paintings. And sold 'em too, until the government made it illegal for serial killers to profit from their crimes. Which is probably why you can't find much serial killer memorbilia on eBay.
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QUOTE(conspiracysrus @ Sep 29 2006, 02:42 AM) *
the killer clown was the sickest individual ever!!
hes tortured raped and murdered 33 at least and who knows how many more.
read the book buried dreams its cool..
he has multi personalities too, a policeman, a clown, a concerned citizen, a security officer hes a cuckoo clock

I think Gacy faked his multiple personalities, since MPD is extremely rare (occurs in less than .01% of the population). Lots of killers do that once they realize the law is coming down on them.
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QUOTE(fangs @ Sep 30 2006, 09:52 AM) *
Richard Kuklinski the iceman.i seen him on hbo and the guy was as cold as his name.he says he's killed up to 200 people and the feeling i got from him was that it was more then that.

I agree that Iceman was pretty brutal, but he was hired to kill the people he killed. Serial killers have a completely different psychology.
hannibals_favourite
QUOTE(fangs @ Oct 3 2006, 02:27 AM) *
yeah can you believe the police had him and let him go because he was only killing tribal children!! angry.gif

While that might seem horrible in our society, other societies don't have the same values.
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QUOTE(fangs @ Oct 3 2006, 02:45 AM) *
does anyone think henery lee lucas and ottis toole actualy killed 3000 people?He claimed that but they think it may be 350 (still very bad)

I suppose its possible, and I don't recall the story as well as others, but Lucas was loopy, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was lying.
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QUOTE(Col. Kurtz @ Oct 4 2006, 02:57 AM) *
I kind of got that feeling also fangs. The way he got caught and other things lead me to belive he wasnt really smart enough to do all this alone.

Wasn't he (Ramirez) stoked out on drugs during the killings? I mean, sure, he might not have been very bright, but if he were high...that makes ya do things you might not normally do.
hannibals_favourite
QUOTE(fangs @ Oct 4 2006, 11:58 AM) *
exactly, thats the feeling i get from it.he seemed also to be playing a part and acting like he was pulling one over on the world.
He was probably trying to get off the hook with an insanity plea.
Steven (The Fallen Angel)
Hmm I was just thinking, What about Isle Koch? AKA The B*tch Of Beuchenwald? Or Rasputin? Or Emperor Nero of ancient Rome? Or Caligula? Ivan The Terrible? Or even Rasputin? Catherine the Great of Russia? I could go on for a LONG time.
Oxymoron
QUOTE(Romeo_Montague @ Aug 20 2007, 06:43 PM) *
Hmm I was just thinking, What about Isle Koch? AKA The B*tch Of Beuchenwald? Or Rasputin? Or Emperor Nero of ancient Rome? Or Caligula? Ivan The Terrible? Or even Rasputin? Catherine the Great of Russia? I could go on for a LONG time.



They killed to fufill a purpose. For a serial killer the killing is the purpose.
hannibals_favourite
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 02:53 PM) *
They killed to fufill a purpose. For a serial killer the killing is the purpose.

True dat.
GreenFriend
QUOTE (hannibals_favourite @ Aug 19 2007, 02:56 AM) *
Manson is generally considered a mass murderer, not a serial killer; and, psychologically, there are differences between the two. Mass murderers kill several people in one sitting, whereas serial killers murder someone, take a cooling off period, then murder again.


Jack the Ripper murdered two women within 30 minutes (the last two, poor women), so it's possible to have fast stricking serial murderers.
xCrimsonx
QUOTE (Yelekiah @ Mar 9 2006, 02:38 AM) *
Elizabeth Bathory (varying spelling) for worst female serial killer.


This woman had no remorse or shame as a female. All for the sake of her vanity.
Vain caniving pillar and a leach.


Oo oo dont forget Charles....................
Odd Christian
the worst is th eone who has not yet been caught, and is now stalking you.
slipklok
I'd probably go with Albert Fish.
VladDraculea
QUOTE (slipklok @ Oct 25 2007, 08:45 PM) *
I'd probably go with Albert Fish.



Well it depends.. if it's regarding the amount it would have to be Pedro Alonso Lopez AKA "Monter of the Andes" he would kill children mostly girls. It seems that he killed over 300 children in: Ecuador,Peru and Colombia.
If it's "Tag-Team".. Henry Lee Lucas & Ottis Toole who killed over 200..
Andrei Chikatilo the Russian serial killer, although there's one that beat him now (killing).
And father of them all.. Jack the Ripper... legendary.

That's my opinion
EyeKandi15
The worst would be John Wayne Gacy. He was convicted or raping and murdering 33 men and young boys and he buried them under his house until there wasn't enough room for them and then he started to put them in the river.
REBEL
I read an article somewhere about Gacy where police rocked up to his house on unrelated minor offences had coffee and biscuits with him even joking round with him in his kitchen while 30 + bodies lay in his cellar under floor boards. He was found out days later though. One of those two cops left the force from completely loos'n it.

I'll give it to:

Pedro Lopez. (300+)
Henry Lee Lucas & Ottis Toole <-- linked-image(aka The Tag Team from hell) (6-200+)
H.H. Holmes. (200+)

The Serial Killer Hit List - Part 1 & 2 <--''not for everyone''
Unlimited
QUOTE (star_kid_munchkin @ Jul 31 2007, 06:15 AM) *
Jeffery Dahmer by far is the worst. its a grusome and sad murder case.


i agree dahmer was the worst..
Ghř§t
I know a guy who used to cut off every toe and finger off a person before he murdered them. Back in cuba.. xD He killed about 170 people using that same exact technique.
Clink
the black dahlia murder was brutal to be honest

but id have to go with either Edgawrd Gein

or

Jack the Ripper (but this was just because he wasnt caught)

which is just plain scary haha
bigbrother
QUOTE (fangs @ Sep 30 2006, 11:52 AM) *
Richard Kuklinski the iceman.i seen him on hbo and the guy was as cold as his name.he says he's killed up to 200 people and the feeling i got from him was that it was more then that.


One of his victims was pleading "please god, don't kill me." Kulinski said "I am going to leave for a half hour, if you're gone when I get back then there is a god." He came back a half hour later and killed the guy -- what a mindf**k
FairyJosie24
QUOTE (Exterminator @ Mar 9 2006, 02:17 AM) *
Albert Fish is probably the worst serial killer of all time.
Read this topic if you want to know his extraordinary evil deeds.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=63550


I about puked when I read this.... and now I'm scared s***less for my daughter. People can be sick.....
TheApocalypseThisWayComes
Hmm... This is an interesting question. It brings on the Quantity over Quality question. What makes a really "Bad" serial killer? The number of victims? The means and voraciousness of the killings? The amount of time it took (if ever) to catch them?

If by pure number of victims I'd go with Harold Shipman (Dr. Death)-Who killed HUNDREDS of people but wasn't very interesting in doing so. Look him up.
Or Pedro Lopez-- Estimated 300 young children killed.

If by pure violence and voraciousness of the killings... I'd say- Edmund Kemper. Seriously people... Read up on him. He shot his own grandmother when he was a young boy "Just to see what it felt like to shoot grandma". He also came up with this little diddy when asked. "What do you think, now, when you see a pretty girl walking down the street?" and answering himself: "One side of me says, 'Wow, what an attractive chick. I'd like to talk to her, date her.' The other side of me says, 'I wonder how her head would look on a stick?'"

If by getting away with murder... You can't go wrong with Saucy Jack or The Zodiac.

I guess those Criminal Justic courses and my gigantic library of True crime has payed off.
Thanks for listening.


Stevenx


Any questions.. Hit me up. I like to consider myself an expert on the subject of Serial Murder.
TheApocalypseThisWayComes
Mr. Kemper



Here you go Kiddies. Enjoy
boze
I actually worked at the same Chemical Plant as Derrick Todd Lee. He was a serial killer arrested here in Baton Rouge. It's creepy....I used to have a work locker like 6 spaces down from him in the change house. Seeing him come to work and you would think he was just the average joe, just a normal guy with the same good times and problems as every other person. Then you see him on TV getting arrested for the murders and rapes of like 6 different females blink.gif

If I'm not mistaken, I think he got the death penalty for 1 of the murders and I think he still got a couple of other trials left to get started on. He's in Angola on death row right now.

It's wild.....no matter how comfortable you feel with the people or setting you find yourself in everyday....you never know what's going on inside of the head of someone right next to you. sad.gif
Carcharoth
My fave serial killers would be:

Albert Fish - For his deranged, perverted personality

Jack the Ripper - For the mystery surrounding him

Gilles de Rais - His perverted personality which lead to his demise

The Zodiac killer - Same as for Jack the Ripper; it's the surrounding mystery that makes him/her interesting

Erzsébet Báthory - Her cruel personality

The Lake Bodom murderer - Same as for Zodiac and Jack; it's the mystery surrounding it.

Also, not strictly a serial killer, but the Atlas Vampire is an interestig case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Vampire
Ghostdancer
Anyone ever heard of mob hit man Richard Kuklinski? He is the subject of the book The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer which I am currently reading. This guy killed more then just "marks" that he was hired to kill and he had some very bizarre methods that would shock even his employers.
SunnyOutlook
QUOTE (Ghostdancer @ Nov 12 2007, 07:41 AM) *
Anyone ever heard of mob hit man Richard Kuklinski? He is the subject of the book The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer which I am currently reading. This guy killed more then just "marks" that he was hired to kill and he had some very bizarre methods that would shock even his employers.


Yes, I've heard of him. I actually saw a couple of documentaries on him. On one he was interviewed by a psychiatrist. On one hand he is very cold, calculating and unremorseful. On the other hand, you could see his soft side. Very eerie, scary individual. Prison suits him because that is where he belongs. He also mentioned that he didn't kill people unless he felt they deserved to be killled. He killed a couple of people just because they cut him off while driving. At the time, he became angry, forced them off the road, and made sure the last thing they knew was that he was angry before he killed them. Very interesting personality.


edited for grammar
Ghostdancer
QUOTE (SunnyOutlook @ Nov 12 2007, 04:21 PM) *
Yes, I've heard of him. I actually saw a couple of documentaries on him. On one he was interviewed by a psychiatrist. On one hand he is very cold, calculating and unremorseful. On the other hand, you could see his soft side. Very eerie, scary individual. Prison suits him because that is where he belongs. He also mentioned that he didn't kill people unless he felt they deserved to be killled. He killed a couple of people just because they cut him off while driving. At the time, he became angry, forced them off the road, and made sure the last thing they knew was that he was angry before he killed them. Very interesting personality.


edited for grammar


He had told his two very young daughters that if he were to kill their mother (he was quite abusive to his wife, but not his children) he would kill them as well since they would be witnesses. Can you imagine that?
SunnyOutlook
QUOTE (Ghostdancer @ Nov 12 2007, 02:47 PM) *
He had told his two very young daughters that if he were to kill their mother (he was quite abusive to his wife, but not his children) he would kill them as well since they would be witnesses. Can you imagine that?


Yes, I can imagine that, actually. If he had killed their mother, then he may have fallen under the category where his children would be better off dead than going through life without their mother and him. Wasn't there a father who murdered his entire family because he thought they would be better off dead than living their lives? However, he started a whole brand new life for himself. I wish I could remember his name. To me this is the absolute definition of narcissism and cowardice. Justice was served, however. I believe someone was watching America's Most Wanted and was turned in.
Ghostdancer
QUOTE (SunnyOutlook @ Nov 12 2007, 09:08 PM) *
Yes, I can imagine that, actually. If he had killed their mother, then he may have fallen under the category where his children would be better off dead than going through life without their mother and him. Wasn't there a father who murdered his entire family because he thought they would be better off dead than living their lives? However, he started a whole brand new life for himself. I wish I could remember his name. To me this is the absolute definition of narcissism and cowardice. Justice was served, however. I believe someone was watching America's Most Wanted and was turned in.


And now I have read books about two hit men who claim to have been involved in the murder of Jimmy Hoffa, One being this book about Kuklinski and the other Contract Killer by one Tony "The Greek" Frankos. Now, Frankos claims that he was part of a three man hit team who shot Hoffa when he was brought by car to a home where they were waiting for him. Kuklinski is supposed to have been in the back seat of the car and knocked Hoffa cold who was seated in the front and then plunged a knife in the back of his neck. No mention made in either book of the presence of the other claimant. I can only say that either way something like that most likely happened to Jimmy Hoffa.
Atheist God
QUOTE (Ghostdancer @ Nov 17 2007, 08:26 PM) *
And now I have read books about two hit men who claim to have been involved in the murder of Jimmy Hoffa, One being this book about Kuklinski and the other Contract Killer by one Tony "The Greek" Frankos. Now, Frankos claims that he was part of a three man hit team who shot Hoffa when he was brought by car to a home where they were waiting for him. Kuklinski is supposed to have been in the back seat of the car and knocked Hoffa cold who was seated in the front and then plunged a knife in the back of his neck. No mention made in either book of the presence of the other claimant. I can only say that either way something like that most likely happened to Jimmy Hoffa.


That is almost identical to the seen in the movie Goodfellas with Joe Pesci when they killed that dude with the ice pick... although he sat in the fron and wasn't knocked out and placed there.
~Cheese~
Erzsébet Báthory
henrychalder
QUOTE (MJB222 @ Mar 8 2006, 04:21 PM) *
Jack the Ripper. Although other people have killed a lot more people than him, the mystery that surronds him is so.....creepy. blink.gif


Jack is for me without doubt an interesting killer, nobody really knows how many Jack killed but when it comes to serial killers, you cant be help being compelled and drawn to the Ripper cases.

I have a hunch that one of the suspects of the ripper case was killed by people from the 'establishment'. The suicide of Montague Druitt is highly suspicious, found drowned in the Thames and a corny suicide note. I dont think he was the ripper but maybe he knew who was?

I dont believe the killer to be of some noble descent but may have been a person in the police force, its not the first time a serial killer has been a member of some trusted community service of some kind.

How do I come to this conclusion?

In a dream thats how.
Ghostdancer
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Nov 18 2007, 02:42 AM) *
That is almost identical to the seen in the movie Goodfellas with Joe Pesci when they killed that dude with the ice pick... although he sat in the fron and wasn't knocked out and placed there.



And Vlad the Impaler.
Atheist God
QUOTE (Ghostdancer @ Nov 25 2007, 04:33 PM) *
And Vlad the Impaler.


Vlad 'The Impaler' Tepes had a car and offed someone by stabbing an ice pick into their brain stem?

Vlad killed people to send a message not only to his enemies but to would be dissenters among his own people as well. To his credit his tactics were successful as well he stopped the Turks who had him out manned yet were fearful.
MysteryEm
Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Starkweather are both pretty creepy inmy book. There were a lot of bad ones, but those two always pop into my head.
Bill Hill

QUOTE (Carcharoth @ Nov 12 2007, 01:39 PM) *
My fave serial killers would be:
Albert Fish - For his deranged, perverted personality
Jack the Ripper - For the mystery surrounding him
Gilles de Rais - His perverted personality which lead to his demise
The Zodiac killer - Same as for Jack the Ripper; it's the surrounding mystery that makes him/her interesting
Erzsébet Báthory - Her cruel personality



My fave serial killers? My favorite? They're not Pokemon you know.linked-image
sandee
jeffery dahmer
~Cheese~
Albert fish!
savvygirl
Andrei Chikatilo.convicted russian serial killer.Arrested in 1984 and charged with 52 murder's.He murdered boy's,girl's and women.one of the worst.
Feenix Fire
QUOTE (Hoagy @ Mar 8 2006, 10:44 AM) *
Again, not so much quantity as the creepiness of how he did things, but Peter Sutcliffe (The Yorkshire Ripper) I think is one unhealthy individual, yet I find him strangely interesting.


same here hmm.gif

"In this truck is a man whose latent genius, if unleashed, would rock the nation, whose dynamic energy would overpower those around him. Better let him sleep?"
glorybebe
QUOTE (SunnyOutlook @ Nov 12 2007, 01:08 PM) *
Yes, I can imagine that, actually. If he had killed their mother, then he may have fallen under the category where his children would be better off dead than going through life without their mother and him. Wasn't there a father who murdered his entire family because he thought they would be better off dead than living their lives? However, he started a whole brand new life for himself. I wish I could remember his name. To me this is the absolute definition of narcissism and cowardice. Justice was served, however. I believe someone was watching America's Most Wanted and was turned in.


That was the story of The Usual Suspects, Kaiser Soeze killed his family after they witnessed a rival gang breaking in, raping the mother and killing one child. I didn't know that happened in real life, but it stands to reason, since so many movies use actual happenings for story lines.
kitco
Robert William Pickton, confessed to murdering 50 women,
living on a local British Columbian pig farm creeps me out.
he fed the remains to the pigs,
and sold the meat..
F-d up!
he was convicted this year.
26 years in jail.
glorybebe
QUOTE (kitco @ Dec 12 2007, 07:16 PM) *
Robert William Pickton, confessed to murdering 50 women,
living on a local British Columbian pig farm creeps me out.
he fed the remains to the pigs,
and sold the meat..
F-d up!
he was convicted this year.
26 years in jail.


Actually, if you want to be technical, he confessed to 49 and was going to stop at 50 and take a break then do more. Adn yes, maybe because this happened so close, I find him the worst so far. Of course how he disposed of the bodies adds to the gravity of his crime.
Atheist God
QUOTE (glorybebe @ Dec 12 2007, 09:47 PM) *
Actually, if you want to be technical, he confessed to 49 and was going to stop at 50 and take a break then do more. Adn yes, maybe because this happened so close, I find him the worst so far. Of course how he disposed of the bodies adds to the gravity of his crime.


I fail to see how the disposal method used adds to the crime in anyway other then it grossed people out.
Bob26003
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Herman Webster Mudgett (May 16, 1860 – May 7, 1896), better known under the alias of "Dr. Henry Howard Holmes", was an American serial killer.

Holmes trapped and murdered possibly hundreds of guests at his Chicago hotel, which he opened for the 1893 World's Fair. He confessed to 27 murders, although only nine have been confirmed.

Criminal career

He graduated from the University of Michigan Medical School in 1884. While enrolled, he stole bodies from the school laboratory. Disfiguring the corpses and claiming that the unlucky souls had been accidentally killed, Mudgett collected insurance money from policies that he, personally, took out on each and every one. After graduating, he moved to Chicago to practice pharmacy. He also began to engage in a number of shady businesses, real estate, and promotional deals under the name "H. H. Holmes".

On July 8, 1878, Holmes married Clara A. Lovering of Alton, New Hampshire. On January 28, 1887, he married Myrta Z. Belknap in Minneapolis, Minnesota; he was still married to his first wife at the time, making Holmes a bigamist. He and Belknap had a daughter named Lucy. He filed a petition for divorce from his first wife after marrying his second, but the divorce was never finalized. He married his third wife, Georgiana Yoke, on January 9, 1894. He also had a relationship with Julia Smythe, the wife of Ned Connor, a former employee of his who fled Chicago. Julia would later become one of his victims.

[edit] Chicago and the "Murder Castle"

While in Chicago, Holmes came across Dr. E.S. Holton's drugstore. It was located at the corner of Wallace and Sixty-Third in the suburb of Englewood. Holton was suffering from cancer while his wife minded the store. Through his charm, Holmes got a job there and then manipulated her into letting him purchase the store. The agreement was that she could still live in the upstairs apartment even after Holton died. Once Holton died, Holmes murdered Mrs. Holton and told people she was visiting relatives in California. As people started asking more and more when she would be coming back, he elaborated the lie and told them she loved it so much in California that she decided to live there. He then purchased a lot across from the drugstore, where he built his three-story, block-long Castle.

Holmes opened it as a hotel for the World's Columbian Exposition in 1893, using the rest of the structure for shops he rented. The bottom floor of the Castle contained these shops (one a jeweler, for example), while the upper two floors contained his personal office as well as a maze of over one hundred windowless rooms with doorways that would open to brick walls, oddly angled hallways, stairways to nowhere, doors that could only be opened from the outside, and a host of other strange and labyrinthine constructions.

Over a period of three years, Holmes selected female victims from among his employees, lovers, and hotel's guests, and tortured and killed them. Some were locked in soundproof bedrooms fitted with gas lines that permitted him to asphyxiate them at any time. Some victims were locked in a huge bank vault near his office; he sat and listened as they screamed, panicked and eventually suffocated. Holmes had repeatedly changed builders during the initial construction of the Castle to ensure that only he fully understood the design of the house he had created, thereby decreasing the chances of any of them reporting it to the police. In addition, according to law at that time, by firing workers every two weeks, he didn't have to pay them. The victims' bodies went by a secret chute to the basement, where some were meticulously dissected, stripped of flesh, crafted into skeleton models, and then sold to medical schools. Holmes also cremated some of the bodies or placed them in lime pits for destruction. Holmes had two giant furnaces as well as pits of acid, bottles of various poisons, and even a stretching rack to create a race of "giants". Because of the connections he gained through medical school, he was able to sell skeletons and organs with little difficulty. Holmes picked one of the most remote rooms in the Castle to perform hundreds of illegal abortions. Many of his patients died because of his abortion procedure, and their corpses were also processed and the skeletons sold.

[edit] Later life and arrest

Following the World's Fair, and with creditors closing in, Holmes left Chicago and apparently murdered people as he traveled around the United States and Canada, though only the corpses of his close associate and three of his associate's children were ever located. He was arrested in 1895 when police discovered his life-insurance scam connection with this former business associate, Benjamin Pitezel. Pitezel had agreed to fake his death so that his wife would receive the $10,000 policy, which she was to split with Holmes and a shady attorney. Holmes then killed Pitezel and manipulated Pitezel's wife and children, splitting them up and keeping them traveling from city to city while using various aliases and lying about Pitezel's death. Three of the five Pitezel children were killed during this escapade.

After the custodian for the "Castle" informed police that he was never allowed to clean the upper floors, terror seized the local department. Police spent about a month inspecting the building and learning Holmes' efficient methods for committing the murders and disposing of corpses. A fire of mysterious origin consumed the building on August 19, 1895.

The number of his victims has typically been estimated between 20 to 100, and even as high as 230 by using missing persons records at that time; however, the only verified number is 27, although police had commented that some of the bodies in the basement were so badly dismembered and decomposed that it was difficult to tell how many bodies there actually were. Holmes' victims were primarily women, but included some men and children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._H._Holmes
stygeanhue
Worst serial killer? how bout best serial killer? I'd have to say the worst would be ther green river killer, though he killed many, he lack creativity. Best though I like Dahmer for trying to make necr-love slave- zombies.! I'm starting to get a real feel for the canadian pig farmer too.
RX-7

my guess would be the Bean family who pickled and ate any unsuspecting victims they caught

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