Right I shall keep this simple so that it won't hurt your brain too much.

Why didn't the dust hang around in the air... becausr there isn't any air.

Why were the photo's so good 2 reasons 1) because they were highly trained and 2) because the bad ones weren't published.

Only 1 rock had a C on it? Thousands of rocks were photographed and one appears to have a simple, recognisable shape on it! The tree that I used to have in my garden was Y shaped. Is this proof that it was a fake planted by NASA?


As was explained earlier this is a defect on the print. Easy to do. I've printed my own photos and I've had this happen myself.

As you say that you are open minded on the subject here is a link for you roflcopter, http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

Were they trained as photographers? I doubt it. I didnt see any pictures there that I or any amature photographer couldnt take though.

in a spacesuit, with clumsy gloves on?

We've had like 13 astranuats that have landed on the moon. I could perhaps see if they faked the first landing (which i do no believe) , but why would we fake all the other video that shows that we have had more than 2 people on the moon?

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With cameras designed to be used by guys in spacesuits, with clumbsy gloves on...

They certainly were trained. Here is a direct quote from the NASA History site:

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Source: Astronaut Still Photography During Apollo

That seems to indicate that they were trained in the use of their cameras, not necessarily trained as photographers though.

You know Stellar.....your battling an unarmed opponent!

Here Pax: Apollo photo equipment

I've seen a few videos of people in Zero gravity, and now that I think about it, not even hair moved like that flag. Hair seems to just float in clumps and not "flap". I could be wrong though.

Please produce a link to a video that shows this flapping flag.

Umm... why is that even relevant? The moon has gravity...

True.



But not much of it anyway. Wouldn't it be somewhat similar? The moon doesn't have much gravity, and how much does the gravity affect this "vibration" from the flag being handled? I don't mean actual flapping either, just the word I use to describe the way it moves, don't know what else to say? Folding? Flipping? Twitching? XD

Well Zero, I'm not quite sure what flipping or twitching you're talking about...

Lol, hey guys, i finished watching that documentary i mentioned allot earlier, and here are some more reasons to "beleive the moon landing video was faked" (I personally think the video was faked, but I do think we landed on the moon )

1) If you double the speed of the footage (like when they're walking on the lunar surface) it appaers as if that there just running or walking around on the Earth surface! Also, the lunar rover sped up to the same speed looks like it is driving and manuevering the same exact way as if it were driven on Earth

2) The radiation of the Sun is so great that any human would die instantly and a space craft would need like 6 layers of heavy led covering, while the lunar craft had a very thin metal layer or layerings. It is beleived that radiation was what 'scared' the Russians in abondoning they're attempts at trying to get to the moon

3) well first, does anyone know if the LEM had lights on the outside? Anyway, the only light source for the astronauts was the sun, yet many shadows are askew and are inconsistent.

4) Many of the places in the backround of the video seem to be VERY similar, so similar that when superimposed onto eachother, they are exact matches.

5) When the astronaut is getting off the craft (this goes along with the sun being the only source of light on the moon for the astronauts), the area is pitch black, yet the astronaut is bright and clearly visible (I know the suit is already white but it stills is wicked bright )

6) last, but most importantly, the images appear to be clearly doctored! You've probably all have seen the pictures taken, with all the crosshairs everywhere? Well, aren't they supposed to be in front of the image they're taking a photo off? There are pictures with the crosshairs either fully or partially behind the lunar rover, the flag, astronauts, the LEM, etc...kinda suapicious to me


anyway, i hope this ignites a few new sparks in this thread

Hey all.



My previous post on this topic making a bunch of bulls*** conspiracy claims was a joke. I wanted to see if I could incite a sh*tstorm.


No, I'm not trying to save face, I was kidding.



Want me to prove myself? See all the errors in my original post. Intentional. I am a stickler for detail and would only keep mistakes for acting purposes.





So, what I REALLY think is that people who don't believe we've gone to the moon are full of sh**. And those people should stop responding to this topic.




Teehee, I think the JFK conspiracy is so much more legit and interesting.

How about some pictures taken ON the moon?

http://take-sa506.hp.infoseek.co.jp/apollo...6_1280x1024.jpg

http://www.physics.purdue.edu/astr263l/SStour/moonflag.gif You can see that the waving is obviously folds from when the flag was stored.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...15-85-11471.jpg

Tracy's Rock: http://areo.info/oldghwh/moon/tracys/as17-146-22294HR.jpg

Link to all pics taken by Apollo 15; http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...5/images15.html

I do not know how any one can honestly look at those and think that we did not go there.

check this out...looks a little suspicious

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...%3Doff%26sa%3DN

here are a couple good links supporting the hoax of the photos and stuffs

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

http://www.lunaranomalies.com/fake-moon2.htm

and here's a link on the subject

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...\.+Kennedy

sorry to keep posting andom links like this, but...this one is very interesting

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Nice find guys. I'm still undecided on the subject.

i woudln' trust a moon picture found on the internet...it's probably already been photoshoped by everyone and their mothers. The flag isn't waving like people think...for one there is a rod that sticks out horizontally on a 90 degree angle that gives the illusions that the flag is waving, but in reality the gravity issues is what makes the flag give the impression of waving. The flag always sticks out like that because of that 90 degree rod sticking out of the top of the pole. If you are quick to jump on the band wagon with the rest of the conspiracist then I say go ahead...but you are going to be on the wrong band wagon.

Remember conspiracies are usually made or created by paranoid dislussional people who can't handle the real truth. I say instead of asking the question "did this really happen" why not accept that it did happen.

and the world could then stop turning and we would all live a happy and blissful existence...... yeh right, get a grip....... whats up, can't you see an argument from more than one stand point.....???

cough, rose tinted glasses?? neh, blinkers for sure........

i think we did not at the first moon landing but i think we do know
i seen a clip of them trying to fake a moon landing and i saw that on tv and the web and read about it it is intersting

Is this what you are talking about?

All the buzz about the Moon began on February 15th when Fox television aired a program called Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? Guests on the show argued that NASA technology in the 1960's wasn't up to the task of a real Moon landing. Instead, anxious to win the Space Race any way it could, NASA acted out the Apollo program in movie studios. Neil Armstrong's historic first steps on another world, the rollicking Moon Buggy rides, even Al Shepard's arcing golf shot over Fra Mauro-- it was all a fake!


Fortunately the Soviets didn't think of the gag first. They could have filmed their own fake Moon landings and really embarrassed the free world.

Source

Someone should try and make a fake moon landing video to see how easy/hard it would be.

With technology from the 60s. With graphics programs and special effects we have today it would not be hard at all.

Well yeah, but I mean, do it using technology from back then.


If we did it with current technology, it wouldn't even be a valid demonstration to how easy it would be, lol.

you've got to remember the extensive NASA budget for the Apollo 11 launch

we definitley landed on the moon, national geographic went into an observatory wehre they found that the astronauts who landed there put something on the moon, i forgot what, but it reflected light beams shot from this observatory back to the observatory.... anyway, on this show they shot light at this thing on the moon and it reflected back just as was said to have happened therefore proving everyone wrong who said we didnt land there.. sorry all you NB's you lost this one

If you follow the link I left a few posts back you will see that every singlr one of these points is easily explainable and false.

Off hand I can't explain 1.

2. is just plain wrong. The only time the radiation from the sun would kill astronauts on the moon is during a solar storm. Had this happened they would have died. It didn't happen during any of the missions.

3 & 5 are basically the same and are wrong. The sun is not the only source of light on the moon. The lunar surface reflects light. If it didn't we wouldn't be able to see the moon.

4 is just wrong. Itis true that the lunar backgrounds are similar (thet are not identical) this is simply because the landings occured in similar types of terrain. For a safe landing the Lunar Module had to land somewhere that was fairly flat and did not have many rocks. Hence the landing sites were all reasonably similar.

i notice you didnt answer number 6 ^ lol, but this was because the astronauts took thousands of pictures while they were on the moon, naturally they only published the best ones

This is just plain daft. If the moon landings were fake and the Soviets wanted to embarrass the free world all thet had to do was tell the world that the moon landings were fake. It wouldn't have cost them a Rouble.

Instead of which they spent billions trying and failing to get too the moon first.

This puts nbig holes in some of the conspiracy theorist favourite arguments. If, as is claimed, it is impossible for a manned landing on the Moon then one of two things has to be true, either the Soviet space scientists were too stupid to know it was impossibe, which taking in to account the many successes of the Soviet space programme seems unlikely OR the Soviets were in on the conspiracy.

But if the Soviets were in on the conspiracy it takes one of the conspiracy loons favourite arguments, that only a few hundred people needed to know, and blows it clean out of the water.

That's because I forgot. The crosshairs do not pass behind objects. When an object is much brighter than the cross hairs the light drowns out the cross hairs so that they can't be seen. This gives the appearance that the cross hairs pass behind the object.

i wasnt accusing you of forgetting, just reminding... after all i am on your side

Accuse me all you like, I did forget.

great job trying to enlighten the conspiracy loons ... pity it will not be believed! someone will be pointing out the flag fluttered any minute....

the flag fluttered! lol, i think someone pointed that out earlier anyway

Several times

The very nature of conspiracy theories is such that you will never convince the believer. What ever rational argument or evidence or proof you offer the loon will simply not believe it. Even if you took them to the moon and showed them the evidence with their own eyes they would claim that you had faked it some how. It is like a false religion. Once someone has that level of belief no one can pursuade them otherwise.

The best that can be achieved is to present the rational argument or evidence or proof and stop more people being taking in the false claims, half truths, ignorant statements and lies of the conspiracy theorists.

Now I'm going to be accused of making false claims, half truths, ignorant statements and lies by the loons. And so it continues.

LOL yea, I was thinking that too.....

Yes you are right!
If you read the link I provided you will see that they (the web site) AND I agree that there was a moon landing!

That item is covered in the link I gave Wasp.

From the link:

Here's another one: Pictures of Apollo astronauts erecting a US flag on the Moon show the flag bending and rippling. How can that be? After all, there's no breeze on the Moon....

Not every waving flag needs a breeze -- at least not in space. When astronauts were planting the flagpole they rotated it back and forth to better penetrate the lunar soil (anyone who's set a blunt tent-post will know how this works). So of course the flag waved! Unfurling a piece of rolled-up cloth with stored angular momentum will naturally result in waves and ripples -- no breeze required!

how did they get the moon bugy on the moon

Deployment of the LRV from the LM quad 1 by the astronauts was achieved with a system of pulleys and braked reels using ropes and cloth tapes. The rover was folded and stored in quad 1 with the underside of the chassis facing out. One astronaut would climb the egress ladder on the LM and release the rover, which would then be slowly tilted out by the second astronaut on the ground through the use of reels and tapes. As the rover was let down from the bay most of the deployment was automatic. The rear wheels folded out and locked in place and when they touched the ground the front of the rover could be unfolded, the wheels deployed, and the entire frame let down to the surface by pulleys.

The rover components locked into place upon opening. Cabling, pins, and tripods would then be removed and the seats and footrests raised. After switching on all the electronics the vehicle was ready to back away from the LM.

Lunar rover

and how did the ship get through that thousand degrees atmostpher in one peice

and thanks for ansering my quistion

I think that might be covered in the link Pax gave you if you will read it.

So they were able to fold and unfold the wire going through the flag keeping it straight? I thought there was some sort of rod going through it?

??????
Where did you get wire from Zero?

Here is that link again:

Someone said something about a rod going through the top of the flag to hold it still.

yes, a horizontal telescoping rod...

They had trouble extending the horizontal telescoping rod and could not pull it all the way out. This gave the flag a bit of a "ripple effect," and later crews intentionally left the rod partially retracted.

The Apollo 11 astronauts also noted that they could drive the lower portion of the pole only about 6 to 9 inches into the surface. It is uncertain if the flag remained standing or was blown over by the engine blast when the ascent module took off.

NASA Contractor Report 188251

Better question than how they got the buggy on the moon, is how did they keep it running up there with the lack of gravity?