Lol , think I do not check where my tax dollars go?....T.V . what?

BUDGETTED: Current Military, $563 billion:
• Military Personnel $110 billion
• Operation & Maint. $162 billion
• Procurement $90 billion
• Research & Dev. $72 billion
• Construction $8 billion
• Family Housing $4 billion
• DoD misc. $4 billion
• Retired Pay $49 billion
• DoE nuclear weapons $17 billion
• NASA (50%) $8 billion
• International Security $8 billion
• Homeland Secur. (military) $27 billion
• Exec. Office of President $2 billion
• other military (non-DoD) $2 billion
UNBUDGETTED: Iraq & Afghanistan Wars
$100 billion (est.):
Most of the spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is not included in the President’s Budget but the Administration will seek supplemental appropriations later this year as it has in the past three years. This is likely an underestimate.

Past Military,
$439 billion:
• Veterans’ Benefits $76 billion
• Interest on national debt $353 billion (80% est. to be created by military spending)

Human Resources, $748 billion:
• Health/Human Services
• Soc. Sec. Administration
• Education Dept.
• Food/Nutrition programs
• Housing & Urban Dev.
• Labor Dept.
• other human resources.

General Government, $281 billion:
• Interest on debt (20%)
• Treasury • Government personnel • Justice Dept.
• State Dept.
• Homeland Security (17%)
• International Affairs
• NASA (50%)
• Judicial
• Legislative
• other general govt.

Physical Resources, $131 billion:
• Agriculture
• Interior
• Transportation
• Homeland Security (17%)
• HUD
• Commerce
• Energy (non-military)
• Environmental Protection
• Nat. Science Fdtn.
• Army Corps Engineers
• Fed. Comm. Commission
• other physical resources

Pay special attention to " human resources" , and compare...If you would like I can get updated , it is open to public if you know where to look

Give it time. Eventually the Earth itself will wipe us all out and worr

I was under the assumption that he was talking about America. Of course children are starving in Africa...if you have read my earlier post you would have read my comments on starvation in Africa.

and there are children starving in america and canada as well though.

Give it time. Eventually the Earth itself will wipe us all out and worrying will be left to those left behind. A hurricane, earthquake, and a few volcanos and we are set.

Again I ask...you know that for a fact? In Canada? Land of Free Everything? How can this be?

This post was never about how single people can get the World right , but how its in a state that it can never revover from.
Man has destroyed itself by listenining to the wrong people, death is all we can look foreward to either from nuclear bombs or man made virus.
We dont have long to live now due to these people
Its sad so many have to die for a few people who think they are God

I think as I pointed out early on...the thread is actually just a rant from a person who doesn't have a clear understanding of the world. The world isn't all that bad Billy, just because you are going through a crisis doesn't mean
the whole world needs to be destroyed.

NFL Owners and Players just agreed to extend the current collective barganing agreement for another 6 years....whew....and I was so close to agreeing with the whole "destroy the world" thing....now all is well

Rob where did you get the list?????Where's scoob when you need him.......

Arty i can't beleive you said what you said boy you buy into the survival of the fittest construct,

Everywhere someone is going hungry, so do we fight and blame or do we talk solutions????

Holy hell. All that on weapons to kill? Why not spend money on friggin life. Like feeding teh kids who are starving and getting the homeless a house and food!

The picture most Canadians have of poverty is of sickly children on the edge of starvation. In highly industrialized societies such as Canada however, this scene is not typical. What prevails instead is deprivation and need. In Canada, people suffer deeply not because the necessities of life barely exist for the population at large -- the state of affairs in many Third World countries -- but because an unequal distribution of income blocks access to Canada's abundance. Poverty in Canada is a matter not of starving but rather of begging for food at food banks and shelters. It is the result of an unequal distribution of riches rather than a lack of riches.
source
there joc, now don't say i never got you anything.

Please tell me you don't believe that there are no starving kids and families in this world.

I have at least 10 posts in this thread...and your ONLY post is accusing me of being mindless and trolling?

...I have this uncanny ability of attracting hypocrits, maybe I have Hypocritkinesis.


Canada Zero...America Zero...where is the factual evidence that children are starving in these TWO countries? They may be...I would just like to have a source for which you base your opinion on.

How is he a hypcocrit? By not posting, he's being mindless?

By giving his opinion on your posts, he's being trolling?

No, trolling is when a person seeks out posts just to flame. Mindless? He, she, whatever, didn't even read my posts!

I stated a fact. Some will remain homeless for one reason or another. We could give some of them $50,000 a piece and in no time they would be homeless again, guaranteed. I'm not saying we shouldn't help them in some way or another but to think we can totally solve the problem is unrealistic. Some will remain poor or homeless because a lack of work ethic, you or I can't help that.

Actually i'm not going through a crisis , i look at the World and see it being manipulated by stupid people who don't care.
To me we will never live in harmony as a people , so lets start again from scratch and not have Religions etc that divide people. The only way to do that is to depopulise the Earth .

What a crass, and uncompromising view of your fellow citezens you have.

I don't happen to have hard data to back up my next statement, you will have to rely on my word.

Most of the people I know are two income families. I also know several single parents who are doing the best they can.

Do you realize that all of these "middle class" people, are about one paycheck above the poverty line?

"Squandered it away". Obviously you've never been laid off work, or had your company close its doors. Have a mortgage on your house? Then pray to whatever gods you believe in that you don't have to be hospitalized. Check what it costs for a 3 day stay in hospital.

Yes I will admit that many homeless are substance abusers, and many have mental problems. Does that mean that we should slam our pocketbooks closed and let the other unfortunates suffer?

Someone recently said "Beware of blanket statements, they tend to cover your eyes".

Perhaps, it would prove beneficial to many on this board to donate some of their time to a homeless shelter or soup kitchen. It might do you a world of good. But then, I don't expect many will take me up on the offer.

Which gets back to the question of relevancy. Poverty? Compared to what? What is your definition of poverty? Not being able to pay all your bills on time?

So the original one who said we spend billions on defense could better be used feedng and caring for each other was passed over, well i heard you Zero and I'm with you, so is Glacies and jmpd,


glacies i think your reason fits the main reason we have poverty thankyou for posting.

you are the only one that screams hypocrite joc, even in the most heated moments and i've had my share with you, i wouldn't say anything more than challenging...which is actually appreciated by me, one doesn't grow if they are never challenged, so maybe the hypocrosy you see gets its roots in you....just a thought

Well if you keep believing that, and other people as well, then you are right: it will never get better.

However, if people like you started to do something positive, it WILL get better. One. Step. At. A. Time.


But then I see a lot of people who think its easier to just crawl into a corner and wait for the end. Its not as much work.

You know nothing about what I've done for fellow citizens. Its easy to talk a big because it makes you feel good, but true everyday actions are what makes an overall impact.

I agree. When it comes to such subjects, I become a sensitive guy. I can't help but want to help those I see in need. Hell, I don't even like seeing stray animals that look hungry.

I was illustrating the fact that any one of us could be homeless due to circumstances beyond our control. Some are homeless by choice of lifestyle. But not the majority.

Sherri,

This quote:


came from dnb420. It was his ONLY post in the thread. So who is trolling? I wasn't talking about Zeroshadow.

Someone steps into the middle of a thread ...and their only post calls me mindless and accuses me of trolling? and then they leave and don't even bother posting in the thread again?

Yeah, I think it is a bit hypocritical. The pot calling the kettle black so to speak.

Just as you Arty don't know what I do, or have done. So unless you want to compare life stories, take the comment for what it was:

A challenge to those who would rather sit and whine about the situation, to actually get off their ass and TRY to make a difference.

Arty have you ever known a homeless person??

As a humanity we support the idea of some hoarding all the resources while others do with out this is called the amereican dream IMO....

and eveything JM said, no one pisses away oppourtunity to be homeless or very few, you are very sheltered Arty.....

IMO You sound to me as if you are judging, and justifying a non compassionate persepctive by blaming someone else.....

JMPD was a police officer for new yorks finest....he would know the plight of humanity...

People have never lived in harmony.


I am not speaking for Arty, but I have. A lot of them. There are those who are 'homeless' for a period of time and get back on their feet. But the majority of homeless people are homeless not because they lost a job but because they are alchoholics, drug addicts, scitzophrenic, etc.

I am not judging them...but there are reasons why they are living on the streets and none of the reasons have anything whatsover to do with the government.

and on that note...I am going to bed.

ps I personally have given hundreds of dollars to homeless people over the years....usually to those who aren't asking for anything....we all can make a difference in our own little worlds.
Have you people forgotten the 'mindless' post I made earlier concerning that?

Well its good to know you weren't talking about little buddy (Zero), I just thought maybe he knew you or something Joc....

Here's a link to the US Department of Health & Human Services.

US Dept of Health & Human Services

It is very informative.

Well kids, its late and I have to get up early for my job as disinformation officer for the NWO.

Er, I meant as a worker for the Postal Service.

>damn, I hope no one noticed that slip up<

billystevo:



It'll just be a matter of time before history repeats itself, why waste so much time and effort?



I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but you sound like a very horrible person, which I'm sure you're not. It's very easy to say without thinking, but think about exactly what it would do. If your opinion still stands after you consider the consequences of these actions, you should really be ashamed of yourself.



Speak for yourself.



This is not a fact, so please don't speak as if it is one.




Who is "They"? Certainly you don't mean every person alive? And again, this is hardly a fact. There is a difference between personal opinion and fact.

Perhaps, what exactly are you doing to change it? It's easy to sit in your chair and complain without taking any action, isn't it?



"lets let those nuclear bombs off and release the deadly viruses that have been made.".
From the sounds of it, you'd much rather kill people off than save lives. I don't think you've really any idea what you're speaking about.


A pity.



Too bad it doesn't matter what you think, since you'll never have that option.
It's easier to sit around and watch your world be destroyed than to try and make things right. Obviously you don't care enough to stand up for what you believe in.

I choose not to personally attack as you have.
I have known homeless people, I was close a few times but friends and family helped me in ways like offering me a job or giving me a place to stay. I've helped them out in return also. That's what I mean about helping on a personal level, give of yourself when opportunities arise, especially to friends and family. I'm not against donating. Just because I don't come off as "AAAHHHH those poor people" doesn't mean I don't care.

Sometimes when i look at the news and see the killing in Iraq and Afganistan and how more killing might be used to stop Iran having a bomb i wonder how people who decide to do these things are relevent to this World. All they do is destroy ,not just Americans but Muslims as well , its a cycle that will never be stopped till mankind is eradicated

Well I keep asking Arty i'm glad i did becasue i was beginning to wonder funny I've been close to homeless too for me it was the greatest gift i gave myself the gift of empathy and compassion, i learned alot about myself and i made some huge changes, i don't see myself as seperate from all others any longer, i wasn't a loser drug addict, as seems to be the popular idea... actually that is rarely the case.....But its good to know you would help someone it goes along way in building better tommorrows thats what people lose site off you may be the only hope for the homeless one, you may be the one who restores there faith in humanity and gives them a reason for pulling themselves up, you never know always err on the side of compassion is my motto.....Namaste Sheri

What exactly is your definiton of homeless? Someone without a home? Someone living on the streets? I don't know about the city you live in...but the 'homeless' in Dallas, Texas are mostly the 'drug/alcohol/mentally ill/out of jail and no where to go' crowd.

Those that I am talking about are also known as 'street people' because they live on the streets. I am not trying to argue a point...just to clarify the definition of 'homeless'.

Wow that is a pretty profound statement and I feel that way at least once a week.

It's unfortunate that mankind is so concerned with competition, greed, power, and self rightouesness. No offense to anyone here but even looking on these boards there is always the need to be right. It is that selfishness that leads to destruction of self and together it leads to destruction of the world over time.

Yes you're right we do have the resources to change the world for the better. But remember individually we also spend the money we could use to help others on nice cars and great houses, and fancy clothes. I was the same way in my better money making years. I had an SUV and I had a sports car as well. I had so loved riding with the top down on a summer day in that car. Not to mention the horsepower of course. But than I was driving around one day and looking around at the beautiful trees and such and started thinking that I was helping in part to destroy all this beauty with my arrogance of wanting an extra car. I wasted gas, money, time, and it only served to boost my own ego. I sold the car tearfully but the reward was so much more.

Actually Joc, there are those regular members that have fan clubs on board, yet are of that Troll mentality in their own right, gaining followers that support the Troll rather than smack them down for fear of receiving the brunt if they are not sheepish fans. Post on , as is your privilege not to be them.

Re: Your request for the American and Canadian Hunger statistics. Especially with regards to the child population. (If you have a keyword search engine you will find the child references in these links much faster).

The U.S.FRAC Fact Sheet Link

Since 1999, food insecurity has increased by 3 million households, including 1.4 million households with children. In 2004, 38.2 million people lived in households experiencing food insecurity, compared to 33.6 million in 2001 and 31 million in 1999. See FRAC's Press Release and a link to the full report: Household Food Security in the United States, 2004.

Canada Fact Sheet and Statistics

Excerpt:
"SASKATCHEWAN
In March 2004, 23,084 people visited food banks, increasing last year's number of visits by 37%. Almost 2,000 more children needed food banks in 2004, an increase of 24% from 2003."

I'm sorry but I don't think it is right to implore others to ignore someone because you don't agree with their point of view. Now rudeness is another thing altogether but I find that most people on here are not immune to it. Resorting to name calling is mindless in itself.
better to be mindful that although you disagree other people still have feelings and get offended.Just my thoughts.

what about kids ? ...you don't think that they might want to grow up now,do you? ever think that maybe they want to have a future?

Joc, not to "one" upmanship you i'm in southern California, the beach communities and we have one of the largest homeless populations not to mention the homeless in LA , I have had homeless to my home to eat and I have not have one who was a drug addict, i do know alot of people who do drugs that work, (it seems you would need money to keep a drug habit going) homeless is homeless Joc there isn't a certain kind, they have no where to go, although there are shelters they are often full, In my neighborhood we take the attitude that, we help out, the interesting thing is once you get to know the homeless few ask for anything, and I have had many come to my house bringing my kids things, maybe your city is different, I also know how crappy people for the most part treat you, remember I've been there often this includes family( people have huge fears on this plight) It can happen to anyone and does, we got to set aside what we think we know and take the oppurtunitys to care when we can. I have said ,Zero has said Jmpd has said, we have to stop passing the buck and do something ourselves..Whatever you give out comes back to you anyways......Namaste sheri

Ever think kids are not of the consciousness to think in such terms?

Think of the kids!
For the kids sake!

I've heard that heralded as the cause for altering the freedoms of so many adults that have to live in that contemporary politic, and wondered if anyone imagined what future we write when we seek to structure and discipline every facet of living to conform to one ideal!? And then expect to find peace in that process of overcoming everyone else of an opinion or viewpoint different from our own.

What future do we make for kids today, if what we commit as a cause for their future sake also causes future children to ask; What was freedom like?

Stop looking at everything so negative. The world is a beautiful place if you let it be. Just stop to look at the little things in life. The way to solve the world's problems are not to just blow it up and destroy it. If you really care about the world's problems then don't just sit there and whine about them. Do something to help it, not plot to destroy it.

As much as I like what you said, I have to say:

The little things are the good things and the big things are the bad things, in this world.

You reply to every thread the same way, in an ignorant dismisive manner. In other threads that talk about our current president and the direction this country is heading, you are always denying any wrong-doing and defending the presidents actions. You say people don't have a true understanding of the world, you sir are the one who doesn't have a true understanding. You are the one that needs to wake up and realize what is really going on here.

You hardly ever contribute to any threads and most of your posts are trying to debunk or deny the topic of discussion. You are a fine example of a mindless sheep who can't think for himself. But, thats not surprising for someone living in Texas who is a republican or conservative, most people like you don't think much at all and let the media do all the thinking for you and trust those good ol' boy politicians when they say "Everything is A.O.K". You are the hypocrite here. Sorry to burst your bubble, maybe the truth scares you and like living in your little make believe fantasy world but it's sad to see people like you who are soo misled right now and are blind to the truth.

Nothing changes the facts.
Wake up.

Well said

This is already in the process of working itself out. I know all about it.

The only way to achieve order is out of chaos.

I like the world being violent other wise i would be extremly bored

Speak for yourself...

Bill, I'm thinking that decaf may be in order, you seem a little bit more depressed than normal...

The world has been on the brink of ruining itself for a very long time, and now is no different, it just happens to be that you are at a point where you are more aware of it than you have been in the past.

The world goes in cycles of building itsef up and when it's resources are limited for whatever reason it wipes off the slate and starts from nearly the begining and goes again. I have no idea where we are at in that cycle, but it isn't near the begining for sure...

You can choose to try and make a positive move o help the world; or just help it go down the tubes...I personally try to help my little corner. If enough people try to help it will make a difference in my opinion...