then place them in animated suspension forever

Thomas Jefferson was definately against any death penalties for any crime. He stated that since Human Beings are not perfect, there will certainly be mistakes and innocent people put to death. He said that even one innocent man dying was too much to risk. I agree. Until we become without flaw, we cannot risk the life of even one innocent man or woman or child.

Fantasy novels? Wow, you mean you know what death is like?

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a smart ass...however, with statements like that it almost sound as if you do know....I know better.

Death, as far as I understand it, is not known by the living. And, the people who have had NDE say it was a wonderful experience...hummm

Also, as I had said before...prisons are becoming a profitable business. Taxpayers are still suffering the loses. The monies are going into peoples pockets...not back into the states. Our government is to blame.

Don't worry, you just sounded like a religious-fundamentalist not a smart ass.

And what has death got to do with fantasy novels? I'm talking about you're mention of deities and happily-ever-after world's people go to when they die.




Which is why 70% of the prison population should be hanged. Then they wouldn't be draining our resources.

Religious-fundamentalist? LOL...me?
My mention of deities?
Nah, not me at all...my friends would say I have a way of seeing things in all areas, all of the "what ifs"

This way I keep an open mind...and, I am in no way a follower of any religion or deity...

I just do not believe I have the right to judge anyone, since I myself am not without error...that is, I am fully capable of making mistakes. As is everyone.

Simply put, there is no way to know if there is a heaven or a hell, not until we die. Nor, any way to know if when the person who committed the crime dies, if they are suffering after their death...like in hell or some other form of suffering.

And lastly….there are absolute heinous crimes being committed everyday that are being done by some who are, for all tense and purpose, “above” the law, or so some would think.

Nothing is being done to them. (In my point of view) We can sit and debate that all day. But, I think war is a crime and the killing of children because of these wars is a crime…who would pay for these crimes?

Ah, but these poor children are just the victims of these wars…(meant to sound sarcastic)

70% of the prison population should be hanged? You have alot to learn about our prison system and who is in it...

Last time I checked this was 1. Not debate on the afterlife, 2. Not an issue of curruption and those above the law 3. Not a debate on war. The question is about which mention of death is best for dealing with sub-humans.




Why do you say that? You think those 70% are nice people or innocently convicted?

70% is alot...no, I am not saying they are all "nice people", but surely not all to be put to death...

Using drugs = putting to death?
Selling drugs = putting to death?
White collar crimes = putting to death?

And yes, I do believe some, quite a few actually, have gotten a raw deal...wrongly convicted, or sentence was too strong...

I worked in the judicial system for many years, I saw it alot.

As for the rest...I was voicing my opinions and views.
Seems to me when ever I voice my opinion here, on this board, someone comes along to tell me what the thread was about...when in fact my views and opinions are still on tract with the topic....

Seems odd to me that when someone who voices his or her thoughts, that they should have to "stay within a tiny window" and not speak about it in totality

Murderers, rapist, paedophiles, kidnappers, terrorists (including those who promote terrorism), drug dealers, muggers, burglars, happy-slappers, con-men who destroy peoples lives, repeat offenders etc Anyone who targets, not the establishment, but average individual people - I’d have them all killed.





They don’t, but I don’t see the relevance of heaven or those ‘above the law’ have to do with a topic which is asking what method of capital punishment is the best.

Prevention and treatment? I could care less about treating a murderer or a rapist or a child molestor. There is no prevention. How many innocent people have been found on death row, less than 1%?

Well...too bad one of the choices wasn't "No Death Penalty" then...
I wasn't trying to get this off topic. I just want facts to be in place when such a question is asked.

So, with that, I leave you this:

STATISTICS

Ninety-seven percent of 125,000 federal inmates have been convicted of non-violent crimes. It is believed that more than half of the 623,000 inmates in municipal or county jails are innocent of the crimes they are accused of. Of these, the majority are awaiting trial. Two-thirds of the one million state prisoners have committed non-violent offenses. Sixteen percent of the country’s 2 million prisoners suffer from mental illness.

The source

I'll let the people who believe the death penalty is ok, sort that out...the percentage of how many mistakes there have been....or, could be in the future

I'm out~
Ciao!

All that says is that Americans court systems are obviously incompetent, but that’s a completely different issue. You should know from basic geography, that America is NOT the only country in the world, so an article about American jails does not affect the issue.

You might as well claim that since so many people are wrongly convicted according to you’re source that we shouldn’t have jails at all, and that all criminals should be let free since some might be innocent. After all, the bleeding-heart motto seems to be ‘better ten murders go free, than one innocent man be wrongly convicted’… although according to the bleeding-hearts the murderers are also victims. What a society that would be, where you can stab someone to death and get away with it because of the small chance it was someone else.

Also non-violent crime can still include the most appalling forms e.g. recruiting terrorists is non-violent, breaking into someone's home and stealing everything they have is non-violent. Both crimes however are equally evil and should be punished by death.

It would be greatly appreciated if individual nationalities weren't brought into this. It has become abundantly clear that most of us are facing the same issues across the globe.

I vote for public hanging, as it would be a deterrent for the beginner petty criminal.

kill them the same way they killed their victims.i can't think of a reason to not kill anybody that murdered a little old lady,or a child!!!

I think we should use the organs of muderers, and other dangerous criminals to help people in need of organ transplants, we'd be able to get rid of these people from our society, and they won't be going to waste.

Lethal Injection is the most humane...Even though if they brutally murdered another, their life is more than enough...No need to torture them, or you become just as bad as the criminal.


I only support the Death Penalty in extreme cases, like serial killings, serious war crimes, mass murders, and small genecides.

i think they should be kept alive mental torchure can be worse than death i think that they should be kept till the day they die and the ones who have killed more than one person should have pictures up on their wall of the bodies and reminded everyday of what they did but those who commided it once i think they should just be kept for life just in case

you want one of Scott Petersons kidneys ?

I say give them a second chance like in Touching Spirit Bear the main character is tried by a circle justice and is setence to a year on a island and changes his ways and goes home without punishment but if one fails at this he is tried and sentenced that my freinds is TRUE justice oh and

(replying to previous post)
Who would get the organ first a murderer or a 8yr old girl the murderer of course

I absolutely agree.

Personally I don't care how they are killed, you could feed them to the lions as far as I am concerned, as long as the outcome results in death.

I voted other, i do not believe in the death penalty. However some deserve death, but what man is to decide?

The death penalty is stupid.

Murderers, rapists, and people like that should have their limbs cut off but have a doctor to keep them alive, once they are well enough, put them in a jail, feed them bread and water, and let them live miserably.

Lethal Injection

FOR ANY CRIMES DONE TO CHILDREN TORTURE BEFORE HANGING THEM!!!!!!!

I would add "FOR ANY CRIMES DONE TO CHILDREN & WOMEN, TORTURE BEFORE HANGING THEM.

i think beheading is the best choise becouse it painless all you feel is a slight chill on you neck......or whats left of it


alien

Hopefully what I am writing fits into this although it may be a little off the subject.

My Problem with the death penalty now is when a criminal is put to death the Spirit of that Spirit goes to the After Life and could remain the same personality and now perhaps an even meaner person and that Spirit is now free to go anywhere it wants to go and do whatever it wants to do to anyone on Earth.

I know we are taught that when we die we either go to Heaven or Hell but after more than 20 years of Communicating with those beyond the Veil of Death I am learning that many good and bad Spirits are free to Roam the Earth at will and go anywhere they choose to and I don't want one of those killers to come near me.

That is what I believe at this time from my Experiences with my dealings with the Spirit but if in the future I by chance find a Higher Power can really destroy an Evil Spirit or Burn it in Hell I will write about it but for the time being this is what I believe.

unfortunately i know about this subject too well.my mother and sister were both murdered in 1981.my personal choice for execution would be to put me in the cell with him for 5 minutes.i don't agree with the bleeding hearts who say that execution is inhumane.bulls**it. i guess shooting my mom and sister in the head while my sister was holding her 10 month old daughter was humane?no,killing him won't bring them back,but it sure would make me feel better to watch him fry.it's bad enough to lose a loved one by natural causes,but this pain runs deep.

So sorry to hear about this. I agree with you totally. My dad was shot in 1993. He lived thank goodness but he's had many health problems since. He's a cop and for weeks I had to listen to the stongest man I ever knew scream on the radio for help because he'd been shot because the local news played it over and over.

Revenge is sweetest when it's served up cold. We will have our day. I believe that.

thank you.people don't know it unless they live it!i was a police officer also and had to take early retirement after a 14 year old kid shot me 4 times.i could have killed him,but i did'nt.i spent 11 months in rehab and therapy.he spent 90 days in juvenile hall and was put on 5 years probation.a year after he shot me he pulled a gun on a detective and the officer shot and killed him.nobody wins.it a losing situation all around.

I agree.

My dad pulled over this guy because he had expired tags. The guy had been fighting with his wife so he thought he was being pulled over because she had called the police on him. My dad got to the window and BANG shot right in his stomach. He was in the hospital for months and ended up losing a kidney. That was in 1993 and he just recently had to have surgery again stemming from that 13 year old shooting!

I get really mad when people disrespect police officers!

Props to you Mr. Cop!!

you really need a life buddy....wait till you see the fear in someones eyes while they die....then you wont be saying "I can only pick one?!" even if they commited a horendous crime...they are people like us, they too have feelings like ghandi said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Well boo-hoo. THEY chose to commit a crime. The victim didn't choose to die. What about the fear in the victim's eye? Who looks at that?? The last person to see them was a cold blooded murderer. Murderers who kill without feeling are NOT just like us. Most of the time they are sociopaths and they contribute nothing but hate and pain to society.

i would chose lethal injection because it it the most instantantenious and it would be completly painless. ( not that all people desevre it it to be completely painless )

Ive seen the fear in the victim's eyes believe me. and I was the last one to see them. I was with my friend, who by the way was a criminal and i was in a rough area of town.. a car pulled up along side us and shot him in the head and i got shot in the stomach.

After you see your friends head wide open and know youll never get to know why.....

you dont believe in death, you dont want anyone to die. I wanted to cause alot of pain to the man who shot him but i didnt want to ever see another person die. and please dont get smart with the "boo-hoo" with me

i want to see the man who killed my mother and sister die.i want to see the same fear in his eyes that they felt!

i honestly believe that they should be killed in the same fashion in which their victim died... as in, put through everything the victim went through

He chose his life and that's what happened. What about people who are victims who have chosen a decent life and have never hurt anyone? Why should the criminal get special treatment when the victim had to suffer?? How is that fair?

I'm not getting 'smart' with you, it's just how I feel about criminal suffering. I don't care if they do suffer. I want the man that shot my father to suffer. I just do. He deserves it.

I would prefer life without parole, but in the US (at least), that all too often means "at least not until the heat dies down."

And what DO we do with the "lifer" who decides he now has the right to kill prison guards and other prisoners? Give him "life"? But didn't we already do that?

i definately agree with coldethyl backed up 100% what make someone is their choices

*doesn't even bother reading the thread, because she couldn't stomach all the rubbish from the bleeding hearts*

Hanging. Doesn't take a lot of money, a rope can be reused with a minimum of preparation between prisoners...sounds good to me.

I voted hanging. People deserve to watch a mans/womans neck snap or be strangled until death, for killing an 'innocent' person. It'd be more humane and justice would have prevailed, for murdering someone who had done nothing but refused to give them money ect.

I'm not a firm believer in the death penalty, but i do think it should be introduced in only the most violent crimes, pedophilia, serial rape and serial killings. simply because the sicko's behind these aweful crimes i think are beyond rehabilitation.

People often tell me that executing individuals such as John Gacy (34 murders) and Ted Bundy (up to 200) "doesn't in any way deter future killings."

But it sure as heck deterred future ones by Gacy and Bundy!

AMEN!

You left out burning at the stake.
I'm serious.
Some crimes are so heinous that the criminal deserves burning at the stake.
These crimes would include prolonged physical torture of victims before killing them, the torture and death of any child under 16, and the manufacture and wide distribution of some drugs (methamphetamine, heroin, crack cocaine come to mind, because of the rampant misery and death these drugs bring).
Here's how I suggest it be done:
The criminal would be chained to a central pole, sunk in the ground. Wood would be piled around him or her. The execution would take place in a very remote area, such as a vast desert in the Southwest. No audience or witnesses of any kind would be allowed at the site. Ignition of the wood would be by remote control.
Let the criminal die totally alone, and in agony, without a single human eye to view him. This is important, so he does not see one iota of sympathy. The execution can be monitored by a select few, with remote video cameras, with the sound off. This is to ensure no one sneaks in to free him.
A ring of law enforcement officers, a couple of miles away from the site, would keep the curious and sympathetic away.
No one goes in over the next few hours. After a few hours, when the fire has cooled, what's left of the skeleton is retrieved.
I have absolutely no sympathy for torturers, child murderers or those who manufacture or distribute drugs that cause murder, mayhem, ruin lives and destroy families and entire cities.
Send such folks to Hell --- in searing flames.

There is something to be said for not sinking to the level of the deranged in order to exact justice. You are already ending the life of another human being. That is the ultimate punishment. Anything more and you are debasing yourself to the level of monster, and are no better than the ones you are punishing.

Besides, burning alive at the stake clearly runs afoul of the United States Constitution's prohibition against "cruel and unusual" punishments.

Such living immolations were within the living memory of man at the time when the Constitution was framed, so it's almost a certainty that such anthroincinerations [hey, I think I just invented a word!] were very much in the framers' minds when they penned that prohibition.

firing squad with open eyes in public arena. and all the shooter is family of the victim.

Should allow the family of the victom to beat them to death and do anything they wanted to.

I agree with you 100%.

I favor something with shards of glass or razors myself.