hyperactive
Mar 14 2006, 02:31 AM
cooking causes foods to breakdown and lose some of their nutritional value.
cooking, especially higher heats can result in the formation of carinogens.
if the food can be eaten raw, raw is the most nutritious way to eat it. As I already said, we do have this process called WASHING.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 14 2006, 02:49 AM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Mar 13 2006, 08:26 PM) [snapback]1103355[/snapback]
Cooking food is still better...Like I said, it KILLS Pathogens that other ways cannot.
Frogfish a meat eater better cook the heck out of his food, if he doesn't he is looking in the face of some deadly viruses...... A vegan who eats organic plants (organic meaning grown without pesticides along with washing would be very safe, now another thing to consider is how the plant or animal is nourished unless you buy organic meat you are playing russian roulette with your health....Are you are of how meat gets to your table????
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 14 2006, 02:55 AM
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Mar 13 2006, 07:51 PM) [snapback]1103274[/snapback]
I eat whatever tastes good. That includes meat, and I'm pretty healthy myself.

this a vegan discusison if you would of read it, ET was asking for info on vegan diets not on what you eat there is another thread that asks for your diet...
Lets be considerate to the thread starter

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Cycledelic
Mar 14 2006, 03:12 AM
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So washing raw meat will make it safe to eat???
I thought you said eat for health, not for enjoyment. Cook your food if you really want it to be healthy. It can carry Salmonella, E. coli, etc.
Just to clarify, raw foodists, or a living foods diet, only eat organic and uncooked/unprocessed nuts, grains, greens, seeds, etc., thus eating the food "raw", and not raw meat as in sushi.
Some will say boiling and steaming are the best ways for raw eaters to minimally cook some foods, but the science is in your body absorbing only living foods. Juiceing is a phenomenal way to acheieve maximum, and easy absorption.
The transformation of countless numbers of people full of dis-ease, whom are now healthy, vibrant and younger looking after choosing a stricly raw diet is quite amazing.
hyperactive
Mar 14 2006, 03:42 AM
indeed cycle, but frog had some other motive in his post since he skipped over the entire discussion prior.
as per juicing. I used to juice quite a but, but switched back to eating the foods in a more whole format to get maximum benefit from the plant as well as in the case of fruit to not cause blood glucose spikes from the concentrated natural sugars.
Now, when it comes to fresh drinks I prefer my vitamix to my juicer. I suspect you are already well versed on the pros and cons of the various methods of juice extraction and pulverization.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 14 2006, 04:10 AM
I bypassed al lthe jucing Hyper i just figured i'd eat the fruit after i bought the jucier.....
whoa182
Mar 14 2006, 10:52 AM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 14 2006, 02:00 AM) [snapback]1103303[/snapback]
cooking breaks down food making it less nutritious.
there is also this thing called washing

(along with organic produce)
Not always, cooking carrots makes Alpha-carotene more available ito absorb, and cooking tomatoes breaks down the cell walls and makes Lycopene more bioavailable. Both powerful antioxidants.
hyperactive
Mar 14 2006, 04:57 PM
Unfortunately, carrots have a high GI, and tomatos are members of the nightshade family.
et's daddy
Mar 14 2006, 05:12 PM
how about if you cook the veggies and such like a soup and drink the broth
101
Mar 14 2006, 05:21 PM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 14 2006, 11:57 AM) [snapback]1103922[/snapback]
Unfortunately, carrots have a high GI, and tomatos are members of the nightshade family.
Tomatos have turned dark.
Luke the tomato is your father.
Just kidding- interesting stuff yall are talking about really
Venomshocker
Mar 14 2006, 05:53 PM
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Unfortunately, carrots have a high GI, and tomatos are members of the nightshade family.
You do not eat food from the nightshade family? May I ask why not?
I have tryed to avoid them, but mostly due to the blood type diet, and the supposed harmful 'lectins' they contain. Do you know much about the blood type diet?
whoa182
Mar 15 2006, 12:21 AM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 14 2006, 04:57 PM) [snapback]1103922[/snapback]
Unfortunately, carrots have a high GI, and tomatos are members of the nightshade family.
I don't think anyoneone is going to develop any diseases by eating carrots everyday... especially combined with plenty of other vegetables with high fiber. My fiber intake is generally around 60g a day so that keeps things steady...
Plus many of the foods that i eat like Red onions, garlic, balsamic vinegar lowers the postprandial glucose spike[2]. I eat 204g carrots almost daily and my insulin is very low(very insulin sensitive)
Although the Carrots and sweet potatoes have made me turn a bit orange/yellow
You should eat some tomato products or just get lycopene from a supplement, Evidence for it's benificial effects are quite good
(1)Lycopene Information
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/subs...525,803,00.htmlhttp://www.lycopene.org/]http://www.lycopene.org/
(2) Vinegar dramatically reduce the spike in blood concentrations of insulin and glucose that come after a meal.
http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/modules.p...rticle&sid=2475
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 15 2006, 12:31 AM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 14 2006, 10:57 AM) [snapback]1103922[/snapback]
Unfortunately, carrots have a high GI, and tomatos are members of the nightshade family.
hyper you keep beating me to the post

lol
whoa182
Mar 15 2006, 12:36 AM
I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information on the net, some sources show cartots having a GI Index fof 47 (low GI). Earlier studies showed that carrots had some high hi of 92 but more recently reported as being much lower!
I really don't think carrots would hurt you

1 - carrots, fresh, boil - GI INDEX 49
http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_food_d...cemic_index.php2 - Carrots - GI INDEX 47
http://www.nutritiondata.com/glycemic-index.html3 - carrots gi index low - 47
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 15 2006, 12:39 AM
Nghtshades are very high in alkaloids, substances associated with ( hallucinogens, medicines and poisions)they leech calcium from the bones, anyone looking for optiimum health wouldn't eat these especially after recovering from a major illness....the macrobiotic diet rarely eats or cooks with nite shades. nightshades are also suspected of redistributing the soft tissue of the body which is thought to cause kidney stones arthritis cancer and some other things...
whoa182
Mar 15 2006, 12:46 AM
but wait, consumption of tomatoes show some benifical effects on cancer and anti inflammatory action in recent studies... Do you have any good references for your claims?
I'll provide mine later

tired!
Heres an interesting page for you to read:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugp.../lyc_0165.shtmlHeres a quote from it
"A recent review of 72 studies found 57 reports of inverse associations between tomato consumption or blood lycopene levels and risk of various types of cancer; 35 of these associations were significant.
Evidence of lycopene protective effects were highest for cancers of the prostate, lung and stomach."
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 15 2006, 12:57 AM
Whoa i think the internet is great but you have to use reputable sources, i would recommend reading nutrition books or taking a class that is what I did i took alot of classes that are free if you have a large scale whole foods store or bristol farms, Hyper may kknow of the best sources of info on the net but I don't use it for that I go to the source if at all possible...You know A diet for a new america is a great book can be purchased online it will give you alot of good info.... a place to start
also 'studies' the main thing is who puts them out for which company often these so called studies are pushing the product, also where do you buy??that has an effect because of the Gmo's and pesticides.....
hyperactive
Mar 15 2006, 12:57 AM
whoa:
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Not Enough Proof For Anti-cancer Effects of Tomato
There is not enough proof that consumption of tomato or tomato products would lead to decreased incidence of cancer as per the US FDA. Subsequently producers of tomatoes, tomato sauce and dietary supplements containing lycopene, the substance that makes tomatoes red, will not be allowed to advertise claims to the effect that tomato and tomato products would reduce the risk of cancer. However the companies may suggest limited link between tomatoes and a lowered risk of prostate cancer, as per the agency. FDA also rejected proposals to advertise lycopene alone which is available in supplements, as having cancer-related benefits.
FDA made these rulings in response to petitions from American Longevity, which makes supplements and other health products, and the Lycopene Health Claim Coalition, a group that includes ketchup manufacturer H.J. Heinz Co.
American Longevity says that lycopene in tomatoes reduces the risk of a number of cancers, including prostate, colon and breast cancer. The company offered a number of published studies in support of their arguments.
Heinz, meanwhile, only sought a connection between tomatoes and prostate cancer, company officials said. The FDA authorized the following for use on product labels: "Very limited and preliminary scientific research suggests that eating one-half to one cup of tomatoes and/or tomato sauce a week may reduce the risk of prostate cancer. FDA concludes that there is little scientific evidence supporting the claim."
American Longevity contends it has a free-speech right to make the statements, which are governed under two-year-old regulations allowing qualified health claims on some products where the science is less than universally accepted.
"The FDA decision greatly misleads the American consumer," said Steve Wallach, general manager of American Longevity, in a statement. "The American public is entitled to the whole truth and we will do all we can to prevent FDA from keeping this scientific information from the American people.
http://medicineworld.org/cancer/blog/perma...-of-tomato.htmlaccording to standard GI, the carrot has a GI of 85-95 (yes, higher than table sugar!) for this reason it is a wonderful food to eat to restore/maintain blood sugar levels during prolonged exercise.
for the nightshades, sheri and venom have covered off the major points. Nightshades, if consumed at all, should be consumed in limited amounts. This would work for your limited diet whoa since a tomato a week (depending on size) juiced would give you the lycopene you are seeking (again though, juicing would be better than cooking overall)
Venomshocker
Mar 15 2006, 02:54 AM
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a plant-based diet has ensured i no longer suffer from sinus problems,
This is an interesting statment, and I noticed sherri said the same thing.
Personally when I was younger and going through puberty, I was eating tons of potatoes, meat and pasta. I rarely ate vegtables becaus ehtey were overcooked and tasted gross.
My allergies also went through the roof. I slpet with 4 pillows under my head at night, to kepp the mucous from pooling in my head, so I wouldnt suffacate while sleeping. It was impossible for me to even blow my nose, because my sinuses were permantently plugged, and to attempt to do so, would cause immense sinus pressure and pain.
I also developed allergies to apples, oranges,watermelon, melons, gluten allergy(which i didnt discover until recently), allergies to all Nuts, all Seafood, cabbage, grass, all Trees and plant life growing in Alberta(my enviroment), pollen allergy and much more.
At that time the more processed afood was the less chance it seemed to cause an allergy so I dug in, unbeknownst to me making the problem worse.
Since changing my diet to a more 'vegan' one alot of allergies have subsided, and through Bioresonance therapy some of the more severe ones, arent so bad any more.
My question is WHY does a plant-based diet help against sinus problems? Whats the reason, or the mechanism? IS it that the other foods stress your body so much, that they lower your immune system, thereby creating allergy like symptoms? Or is it something else?
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 15 2006, 03:15 AM
QUOTE(Venomshocker @ Mar 14 2006, 08:54 PM) [snapback]1104913[/snapback]
This is an interesting statment, and I noticed sherri said the same thing.
Personally when I was younger and going through puberty, I was eating tons of potatoes, meat and pasta. I rarely ate vegtables becaus ehtey were overcooked and tasted gross.
My allergies also went through the roof. I slpet with 4 pillows under my head at night, to kepp the mucous from pooling in my head, so I wouldnt suffacate while sleeping. It was impossible for me to even blow my nose, because my sinuses were permantently plugged, and to attempt to do so, would cause immense sinus pressure and pain.
I also developed allergies to apples, oranges,watermelon, melons, gluten allergy(which i didnt discover until recently), allergies to all Nuts, all Seafood, cabbage, grass, all Trees and plant life growing in Alberta(my enviroment), pollen allergy and much more.
At that time the more processed afood was the less chance it seemed to cause an allergy so I dug in, unbeknownst to me making the problem worse.
Since changing my diet to a more 'vegan' one alot of allergies have subsided, and through Bioresonance therapy some of the more severe ones, arent so bad any more.
My question is WHY does a plant-based diet help against sinus problems? Whats the reason, or the mechanism? IS it that the other foods stress your body so much, that they lower your immune system, thereby creating allergy like symptoms? Or is it something else?
venom great question, i really don't know, so i'll let Hype take this one

but if i was to take a stab at it, I'd say you take on the qualities of the plants you eat whatever benefits the plants have you have same with processed food, Alls the pesticides i think contribute alot, the mucus definitly from meat and dairy, it creates wet conditons in the body What I'd wonder is was it from sugar or dairy or both, i to no longer suffer with sinus, in my case i think it was sugar that poison, we'll see what Hyper says

Sorry i'm thinking out loud.....
Cycledelic
Mar 15 2006, 03:23 AM
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My question is WHY does a plant-based diet help against sinus problems? Whats the reason, or the mechanism? IS it that the other foods stress your body so much, that they lower your immune system, thereby creating allergy like symptoms? Or is it something else?
From consuming a living foods only diet, your body easily digests the food, obtains all the nutrietns one needs, and essentially your body can now concentrate on progressing, instead of cleaning itself due to a diet full of fats, and hard to digest foods.
This cleansing begins on a cellular level, and has the ability to heal those suffering from common dis-eases. The health of the colon is somthing very much overlooked in alot of modern medicine. Scientifically, think about how similar the brain and 'gut' are: 100 million nuerotransmitters line the entire length of the 'gut'=approximately the same number present in the brain. Also, nearly every chemical than controls the brain, is in the gut also, including hormones and nuerotransmitters. Ponder that and then think about the old adage, "go with your gut feeling", or how you experience intuition, "butterflies", etc. The 'gut' and the brain are so connected, ever look at thier shape: the small and large intestines sure do resemble the brain tissue, dont you think?
I digress, but when your body is clogged and works extra hard to rid your body of toxicity, dis-ease is sure to result. Cleaning your body through living foods enable your body to move to a higher level.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 15 2006, 03:32 AM
QUOTE(Cycledelic @ Mar 14 2006, 09:23 PM) [snapback]1104971[/snapback]
From consuming a living foods only diet, your body easily digests the food, obtains all the nutrietns one needs, and essentially your body can now concentrate on progressing, instead of cleaning itself due to a diet full of fats, and hard to digest foods.
This cleansing begins on a cellular level, and has the ability to heal those suffering from common dis-eases. The health of the colon is somthing very much overlooked in alot of modern medicine. Scientifically, think about how similar the brain and 'gut' are: 100 million nuerotransmitters line the entire length of the 'gut'=approximately the same number present in the brain. Also, nearly every chemical than controls the brain, is in the gut also, including hormones and nuerotransmitters. Ponder that and then think about the old adage, "go with your gut feeling", or how you experience intuition, "butterflies", etc. The 'gut' and the brain are so connected, ever look at thier shape: the small and large intestines sure do resemble the brain tissue, dont you think?
I digress, but when your body is clogged and works extra hard to rid your body of toxicity, dis-ease is sure to result. Cleaning your body through living foods enable your body to move to a higher level.
Interesting very interesting
hyperactive
Mar 15 2006, 05:36 AM
good post cycle.
venom,
on a personal level I found it was dairy infiltrating foods I ate prior to becoming strictly vegan that was the source of my problems. Casien is a component of milk which is a glue. Note that there are plant equivilants to casien though. Carageenan is not good for you (but you should not be getting this unless you are eating processed foods like soy-icecreams or veggie burgers or other such not-so-healthy-health-food).
Have you done a zero allergen diet to test for food sensitivities? It might reveal hidden irritants to your system.
Here is a list of foods to eliminate to test for allergens:
cows milk and all products derived from cows milk
modern wheat
corn
corn starch
eggs
sugar (white, brown, yellow, golden, demerara, glucose, sucrose, sucralose, cane, etc)
citrus fruit
coffee
tea
alcohol
pop
chocolate
tap water
dried fruits
artificial colour, flavour, sweeteners
foods with preservatives
foods with sulfites
edit:
forgot to mention another factor to the strict veganism switch from vegitarianism:
when I decided there would be no animal products/byproducts in any of my foods I decided to make everything "from scratch" to ensure I knew what I was eating, thus my diet improved.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 15 2006, 05:54 AM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 14 2006, 11:36 PM) [snapback]1105177[/snapback]
good post cycle.
venom,
on a personal level I found it was dairy infiltrating foods I ate prior to becoming strictly vegan that was the source of my problems. Casien is a component of milk which is a glue. Note that there are plant equivilants to casien though. Carageenan is not good for you (but you should not be getting this unless you are eating processed foods like soy-icecreams or veggie burgers or other such not-so-healthy-health-food).
Have you done a zero allergen diet to test for food sensitivities? It might reveal hidden irritants to your system.
Here is a list of foods to eliminate to test for allergens:
cows milk and all products derived from cows milk
modern wheat
corn
corn starch
eggs
sugar (white, brown, yellow, golden, demerara, glucose, sucrose, sucralose, cane, etc)
citrus fruit
coffee
tea
alcohol
pop
chocolate
tap water
dried fruits
artificial colour, flavour, sweeteners
foods with preservatives
foods with sulfites
edit:
forgot to mention another factor to the strict veganism switch from vegitarianism:
when I decided there would be no animal products/byproducts in any of my foods I decided to make everything "from scratch" to ensure I knew what I was eating, thus my diet improved.

great post hyper
Venomshocker
Mar 15 2006, 06:29 AM
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Casien is a component of milk which is a glue. Note that there are plant equivilants to casien though.
Im aware of what casien is, and i knwo its even possible to buy dairy products with that removed. Just bougth myself a vegie pizza, and it didnt have any casein in the cheese.
Now what are the plant equivalents to casien?
And why is Carageenan bad for you?
QUOTE
forgot to mention another factor to the strict veganism switch from vegitarianism:
when I decided there would be no animal products/byproducts in any of my foods I decided to make everything "from scratch" to ensure I knew what I was eating, thus my diet improved.
Ya, that is pretty much what you ahve to do in order to eliminate all the foods you listed above. When I went for bioresonance therapy I had to a STRICT 1-2 week absenence of pretty much all the foods you listed because I had an intolerance to EACH ONE! Supposedly bioresoance therapy can fix these intolerances, and therefore elliminate the harmful of effects of the given foods.
Again I must ask what causes the food sensitivites. Is it a health problem (such as stress mental or viral/bacterial)?, or was I Never meant to eat thsoe foods in the first place, becasue my body isnt designed for eating such foods?
Im also curious Hyper, of what your diet consists of and what you average meals are like?
Just a few days ago, I got this to start supplementing my diet.
http://www.myvega.com/berry.htmSeems pretty good.
hyperactive
Mar 15 2006, 06:50 AM
carageenan is a glue basically (an emulsifier). Some people have adverse reactions to it similar to how lactose intolorant people feel when they drink milk.
vega is a good product. I use it myself.
I don't know all the causes for food sensitivites. For some at least there is a genetic factor in play.
My diet: I will type up what it mostly consists of and post it later.
Venomshocker
Mar 15 2006, 07:13 AM
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I don't know all the causes for food sensitivites. For some at least there is a genetic factor in play.
Can you prove this?
I thought gluten intolerance was genetic, but now supposedly its not. Same thing with many other intolerances. Alot of intolerances are caused by the immune system being under stress. And therefore if you eliminate the stress, the food sensitvity should go away.
Im not even really aware of any strictly genetic food intolerances. I know certain diets/foods will favour a genetic type over another, but outright intolerance due to genes alone, not sure about.
hyperactive
Mar 15 2006, 07:36 AM
look up the population patterns for % of pop that is lactose intolorant for an example of there being a correlation between genetics and intolorances.
Venomshocker
Mar 15 2006, 07:48 AM
By and large humans when theyre born as baby's have an abundace of lactase in order to breakdown and digest the milk they get from their mothers. As children ( and all people in general) grow older their bodies naturally downregulate the production of the enzyme lactase. Hence giving further credance to the idea that humans are designed NOT to eat milk products in the long run. If the body falis to naturally downregulate the enzyme lactase, it is unkonw at this time why. It is definately abnormal. Its possible its genetic but not proven.
Having a gf, in honors Biochemistry helps with this.

She actually explained that to me.
whoa182
Mar 15 2006, 09:35 AM
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Whoa i think the internet is great but you have to use reputable sources, i would recommend reading nutrition books
I do and have read many...
QUOTE
You know A diet for a new america is a great book can be purchased online it will give you alot of good info.... a place to start
I'll see if there are some reviews on it first.. then might buy it.
QUOTE
also where do you buy??that has an effect because of the Gmo's and pesticides..
I just buy from a local supermarket (lives in the UK), mostly organic when i can.
QUOTE
According to standard GI, the carrot has a GI of 85-95
According to most of the books I have here it states that carrots have a low-medium gi index ranging from 47 - 71 and a Glycemic load of around 2
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Glycemic Load - How is it Measured
Glycemic load tells you how much carbohydrate is in a standard serving size of food. To calculate glycemic load in a typical serving of food, divide the GI of that food by 100 and multiply this by the useable carbohydrate content (in grams) in the serving size. For example, the glycemic index of carrots is about 47. Carrots contain about 7 grams of carbohydrate per 100g of carrots. So, to calculate the glycemic load for a standard 50g serving of carrots, divide 47 by 100 (0.47) and multiply by 3.5. The glycemic load (GL) of carrots is therefore 1.6.
Glycemic Load More Accurate Than Carb Content
Although a low-carb food typically has a lower-GI value than a high carbohydrate food, choosing foods purely on the basis of the amount of carbohydrates they contain is less beneficial for blood glucose control and general health than relying on their glycemic load (GL). Don't forget, the glycemic load of a food is its GI value per serving, and the GI value of a food is the definitive guide to its effect on glucose metabolism and thus blood sugar levels
Other vegetables also eating with with carrots will make the impact carrots have on blood sugar even less. I'll be buying a glucometer soon and I'll see... anyone else got one that can test? One meal of mostly vegetables and olive oil with carrots and the next day one without. No diabetics try this lol and it is best to do the test in the morning also if you will or can =/
some more info here:
Here it is also a low gi of 49
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The GI shows how a food compares to a reference food with a GI of 100, usually glucose or white bread. All foods are tested in equivalent amounts (50 grams of carbohydrate). But remember the GI is an indication of quality, not the quantity typically eaten by most people. Take carrots, for example. Many people say they have heard that people with diabetes should not eat carrots because they contain "too much sugar." One study gives carrots a GI of 95. However, the amount of carrots that it takes to get 50 grams of carbohydrate is 1 1/2 pounds--far more than the 3 or 4 ounces most people would consume. So, carrots can still be considered a "free" food when consumed in reasonable amounts.
and another here
http://www.snac.ucla.edu/pages/Resources/H.../HOGlycemic.pdfCooked Carrots low gi 39
You are saying all these are wrong?
hyperactive
Mar 15 2006, 03:37 PM
venom,
she explained it correctly. However, look up the lactose intolorance incidence levels for various populations. Look up alcohol as well.
whoa,
try this simple test: eat carrots as a snack when you are not hungry and see if your appetite is stimulated. Do what works for you. The variance in indexes shows the need for you to design your diet around the effects the foods have on you and not just lab reports.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 15 2006, 08:27 PM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Mar 15 2006, 09:37 AM) [snapback]1105563[/snapback]
venom,
she explained it correctly. However, look up the lactose intolorance incidence levels for various populations. Look up alcohol as well.
whoa,
try this simple test: eat carrots as a snack when you are not hungry and see if your appetite is stimulated. Do what works for you. The variance in indexes shows the need for you to design your diet around the effects the foods have on you and not just lab reports.

Very well said Hyper, the best reference is your own body.....I'd be interested in your diet also, although I think we are similar except my food eating is for a warm climate, I think its important to to take into account not only your needs but your location...

Just my 2cents....
Venom thankyou for the detail from your GF on the milk, I keep it simple cows milk is meant for a cow and mothers milk is meant for a baby, Breast milk is perfect for the infant, I can't tout the wonders of it loudly enough....
whoa, I am just sharing my wisdom yet it may not be wisdom to you, we can learn form each other, i was not intending too offend you i hope I didn't, Just becasue i 've taken a bunch of classes doesn't make me the all knowing either, i'm learning from you all, i don't think you can knkow everything about nutrition it is always in a state of evolvement......
whoa182
Mar 15 2006, 08:31 PM
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whoa,
try this simple test: eat carrots as a snack when you are not hungry and see if your appetite is stimulated. Do what works for you. The variance in indexes shows the need for you to design your diet around the effects the foods have on you and not just lab reports.
Good point!

QUOTE
i was not intending too offend you i hope I didn't, J
No you didn't... I also like learning from all you here too!
frogfish
Mar 15 2006, 09:47 PM
Still...Veggies with a little chicken and fish is the best...
hyperactive
Mar 17 2006, 12:56 AM
while searching for something i stumbled upon this list which i don't intend to verify but if true shows that while I am "vegan", vegan is not an accurate description of how I eat. Enjoy
clicky here for sheri and venom, I am PMing you a list of what today's foods were.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 17 2006, 02:01 AM
Excellent site Hyper, i went and its very simple for anyone to 'get' It addressed all the common questions lol the Protien one especially ....
Bebi
Mar 17 2006, 12:45 PM
QUOTE(Venomshocker @ Mar 15 2006, 07:48 AM) [snapback]1105284[/snapback]
By and large humans when theyre born as baby's have an abundace of lactase in order to breakdown and digest the milk they get from their mothers. As children ( and all people in general) grow older their bodies naturally downregulate the production of the enzyme lactase. Hence giving further credance to the idea that humans are designed NOT to eat milk products in the long run. If the body falis to naturally downregulate the enzyme lactase, it is unkonw at this time why. It is definately abnormal. Its possible its genetic but not proven.
Having a gf, in honors Biochemistry helps with this.

She actually explained that to me.

That's exactly what my doctor told me regarding lactose intolerance.
Venomshocker
Mar 28 2006, 06:34 AM
"Nothing will benefit health or increase chances of survival of life on Earth as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
- Albert Einstein
Apparently, Plato and Darwin were also vegetarians also.
Shadowdrake
Mar 28 2006, 11:51 AM
The optimal diet does vary from person to person of-course, determined by your biology-- some may for example do great on a vegetarian diet, while others will not. Personally though, it's my oppinion that humans are omnivores(which is supported by strong facts).
Either way, a diet that is as diverse as possible will always be the best. For me-- too much meat make me feel heavy, while only vegetables leave me gassy and hungry again in no time. A reasonable meal with unprocessed meat and vegetables however, leave me feeling much more well.
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 28 2006, 05:31 PM
QUOTE(Shadowdrake @ Mar 28 2006, 05:51 AM) [snapback]1123939[/snapback]
The optimal diet does vary from person to person of-course, determined by your biology-- some may for example do great on a vegetarian diet, while others will not. Personally though, it's my oppinion that humans are omnivores(which is supported by strong facts).
Either way, a diet that is as diverse as possible will always be the best. For me-- too much meat make me feel heavy, while only vegetables leave me gassy and hungry again in no time. A reasonable meal with unprocessed meat and vegetables however, leave me feeling much more well.
The gassy feeling that you have with vegetables is indicative that you haven't been eating enough, do you know how many people who don't eat vegetables or fruit, the body becomes what you feed it....
Shadowdrake
Mar 28 2006, 08:43 PM
Yes, you do become what you eat. Which is why my diet is omnivorous and as varied as possible, avoiding processed foods like hamburgers. Having been a vegetarian, I can also say that I function a lot better on my current diet than the vegetarian one.
Shadowdrake
Mar 28 2006, 08:46 PM
Appologies if it has been posted before, but this is a excellent site on the matter:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 28 2006, 09:19 PM
QUOTE(Shadowdrake @ Mar 28 2006, 02:46 PM) [snapback]1124504[/snapback]
Appologies if it has been posted before, but this is a excellent site on the matter:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.htmlI have been a vegan for sometime it appears this site is pushing meat, it is a well known established FACT that too much animal will only lead to harm of the organism, We are naturally herbivores with the ability to eat meat if needed, the optimum diet is plant based... meat is very hard to digest and as it sits in your intestines it toxifies and reabsorbs regular bowel movements with ease meaning if you are able to open a magazine you are on the toilet to long.....
the bible is a book of fables written by man i would not use it as a guide for anything least of all diet.....
Raely does one commit to being a vegan t5o revert back to bad eating habits, i have cleared up serious health issues, My ability to assimilate nutrients is at its peak performance on this diet...lol I can observe that.......
Shadowdrake
Mar 28 2006, 11:08 PM
Well, known fact eh?
Then why don't we have the huge stomachs and very long intestines that herbivores need to process low quality foods such as grasses and leafs? When looking at a herbivore, such as a cow, you'll see that it's rather huge in order to have room for such a digestive system.
Humans on the other hand, are omnivores-- living on both meat and vegetables, so they don't need huge 'fermentation vats' such as cows. Unless you have overindulged on McDonalds food, you'll find that humans are slim like typical predators/omnivores-- having a digestive system that's designed to eat meat as well.
And meat isn't any more harmfull than plant-type food, provided it is eaten in moderation like everything else. Neither have I had any trouble with my bowels due to meat-eating, neither has my family. Not sure where you got that information from, as it doesn't take much thinking to realize that it doesn't have much hold in reality.
As for bad eating habbits, junk food would certainly be considered that. A diet consisting of fresh meat and vegetables, is not one. Although what's optimal can and does vary from person to person, as well as how active you are in your daily life.
whoa182
Mar 28 2006, 11:16 PM
Just thought i'd put up a link on a news story:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/print...8626936,00.htmlA small group of asthma sufferers was put on a diet low in antioxidants and their asthma monitored. The levels in their blood of various antioxidants, such as carotene and lycopene, were also monitored.
The modified diet lowered levels of antioxidants circulating in the blood in almost three-quarters of the subjects.
Those who after 10 days had lower levels in their blood of the antioxidant lycopene - abundant in tomatoes - had their asthma symptoms worsen.
Since many suffer from asthma... worth eating those tomatoes!
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 28 2006, 11:48 PM
QUOTE(Shadowdrake @ Mar 28 2006, 05:08 PM) [snapback]1124746[/snapback]
Well, known fact eh?
Then why don't we have the huge stomachs and very long intestines that herbivores need to process low quality foods such as grasses and leafs? When looking at a herbivore, such as a cow, you'll see that it's rather huge in order to have room for such a digestive system.
Humans on the other hand, are omnivores-- living on both meat and vegetables, so they don't need huge 'fermentation vats' such as cows. Unless you have overindulged on McDonalds food, you'll find that humans are slim like typical predators/omnivores-- having a digestive system that's designed to eat meat as well.
And meat isn't any more harmfull than plant-type food, provided it is eaten in moderation like everything else. Neither have I had any trouble with my bowels due to meat-eating, neither has my family. Not sure where you got that information from, as it doesn't take much thinking to realize that it doesn't have much hold in reality.
As for bad eating habbits, junk food would certainly be considered that. A diet consisting of fresh meat and vegetables, is not one. Although what's optimal can and does vary from person to person, as well as how active you are in your daily life.
This topic has been explored thoroughly see ethical eating its goes into great detail, If you are interested read the ethical eating thread to its very informative .....Plant foods aren't harmful unless they are saturated in pesticides i'm speaking of organic, what do you consider moderation on the eating meat, red meat is recommended once a month and fish twice a week wild not farm grown (antibiotics and hormones) Also meat needs to be organic if not you are playing russian roulette, yes we can eat meat but we are designed naturally for plants...again see ethical eating....there is nothin fresh about meat, it requires cooking to eat it...A large part of diseease is due to the over consumption of animal we do not need it we choose it....
Tangerine Sheri
Mar 28 2006, 11:50 PM
QUOTE(whoa182 @ Mar 28 2006, 05:16 PM) [snapback]1124772[/snapback]
Just thought i'd put up a link on a news story:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/print...8626936,00.htmlA small group of asthma sufferers was put on a diet low in antioxidants and their asthma monitored. The levels in their blood of various antioxidants, such as carotene and lycopene, were also monitored.
The modified diet lowered levels of antioxidants circulating in the blood in almost three-quarters of the subjects.
Those who after 10 days had lower levels in their blood of the antioxidant lycopene - abundant in tomatoes - had their asthma symptoms worsen.
Since many suffer from asthma... worth eating those tomatoes!

Whoa that is interesting i was a asthma sufferer for year no shock medicine didn't help it made it worse, what helped me was veganism 6 months into it it cleared up, clearly meat and dairy are big factors many asthmatics do know this...
Avinash_Tyagi
Mar 29 2006, 11:57 PM
I've been a Vegeterian for about 15 years now, haven't had any health issues, rarely get sick, so I'd say yeah, veg diets are healthier for you.
Shadowdrake
Mar 30 2006, 08:14 AM
And I have been an omnivore for most of my life. Hardly ever gets ill(not even colds) or have any other health issues either
Bebi
Mar 30 2006, 09:22 AM
Asthma... I use to be on 2 inhalers a day, and my asthma cleared up around age 15-16. I never dreamed it may have been because I became vegetarian at age 14... I'm quite a heavy smoker and my asthma hasn't returned.
I modified my diet to include fish during both my pregnancies (for the health of the baby - I simply don't like meat/fish, and as soon as was possible I stopped eating it)
Sherri - the magazine comment - I'm always in and out of the bathroom in about 2 mins (unless my IBS is having a grumble) but the males in our house are in there for about 15 mins minimum. The doc has also said that vegetarians don't suffer IBS as a rule; since I've begun cutting out dairy it's helped no end (I'm sure the fact that adults aren't designed to drink milk was touched on earlier the topic)
Shadowdrake - I find if I live in a built up area I come down with every cold and bug around, when I lived in the country I was completely healthy; only seeing the doctor about once a year for checkups.
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