I'm evidence and so are the vegans i know, you are talking on no authority at all....

Neither are you, and as the burdan of proof lies with those who affirm the claim, I suggest you provide a credible source.

6. reduce or eliminate dairy products and eggs from your diet;

Rage well we will have to disagree dairy is not imperitive to the human body, that just sounds as if the dairy association has convinced you of that....choline is a primary componet of letcithin legumes and brown rice are far better sources then eggs...fruits are amazing in there healing properties and balancing bacterias i would suggest looking into them they too are a far 'safer choice than yogurt......

Will do.

Healing with whole foods by Paul Pitchford Di yo uhaev your baby yet?????

No, very soon though, within 2 weeks.

congragulations Rage do you know what you are having????

A girl, the name will be Sophia Isabel Necci (Ne-ch-ie)

Oh whats your due date its getting close to my birthday May 7th.

They said the 18th of May, but I have beleived that to be incorrect since the beggining. The first pregnancy test we took was in late August, 9 months later is basically this upcoming week. I think around your birthday is an accurate guess as to when she will be born. Just a side note, I saw an impression of her foot on my girlfriends belly, and she kicked so hard before that it felt like somebody lifted my hand and then dropped it. Maybe she is playing soccer with the placenta, lol.

thats so beautiful how is mama is she still able to sleep , is she at the uncomfortable stage yet?? i looove babys lol

lol, OH DEAR LORD, the complaining that this girl does! She has had a fairly easy pregnancy, besides the two UTI's she got. She does have gestational diabties, but her blood sugar level is fine wehter she eats the diet or not, so I don't know what is going on with that, but I make her stick to what the doctor says.

She looks remarkable to me though, she has gained about 30 pounds but it hides itself well.

Before:



Now:

Wow she looks beautiful it hardly shows the pregnacy weight, sh elooks so happy to be pregnant too and Daddy is handsome Sophia will be beautiful look at her parents, thankyou for you for sharing the photos rage em

lol, But Daddy has gained 20 pounds in sympathy weight, and that is noticable, you think I would come up with a diet just to be healthy? lol, There are superficial reasons too!

daddy is pregnant too, you'll lose it when momma does, is she gonna nurse??that takes the weight off so fast , i put on 60 lbs with my second child i lost the weight in about three weeks (nursing uses alot of calories) my hubby put on more weight than i did with the third I put on 16 lbs because i learned my lesson well no reason to put on 60 lbs it made the pregnacy too hard.....

Vegetarians seem to do alright; but I have to say that I've met more than a few Vegans and they never seem very healthy to me..
They always seem to be either way too fat or way too skinny; with either grayish or fishbelly white skin..
Walking around all drawn and haggard and catching every cold that goes around doesn't go very far towards convincing me to cut meat and dairy out of my diet..

most (95%) of illness is food borne

That is totally wrong. Food-illness is just one kind of indirect transmission of disease. There is air-borne, vector-borne, water-borne, and un-food related-vehicle borne illness. Not to mention DIRECT TRANSMISSION.

Food-borne illness counts for about 30-40% of illnesses...

Do many vegatarians on here get regular B12 shots or take high dose B12 supplement? - Zinc is probably hard to get also...

if you are a vegatarian then its quite important that you do take supplements, but you prob know that

I'm also rarely met by a vegan or vegetarian that is healthy at all. I work on a college campus of 40,000+ undergrads and 20,000+ grad-students, 16% of them international, with boatloads of veggies. My best friend and a couple others not so close are in the same predicament as those I feed on a daily basis. They look ill. They feel ill. Even with vitamin supplements their health seems iffy at best, at the very best.

I don't want to tell people ( or even suggest ) what they should eat; I only report what I see first hand.

I'm also rarely met by a vegan or vegetarian that is healthy at all. I work on a college campus of 40,000+ undergrads and 20,000+ grad-students, 16% of them international, with boatloads of veggies. My best friend and a couple others not so close are in the same predicament as those I feed on a daily basis. They look ill. They feel ill. Even with vitamin supplements their health seems iffy at best, at the very best.

I haven't been ill in years, maybe those guys just don't know what to eat on a vegeterian diet.

never broken a bone

so many kids from soda and high sugar and fat diets meat and dairy eaters supposed to prevent broken bones thats a hoot) In my neighborhood seven kids out of 9 have broken a bone the oldest being 10...parents allow ther kids to drink soda the biggest culprit....

Thats hilarious on the vitamin B-12 Whoa, because meat is irridated (nuked) it loses vitamins B-1 , A, C, K & E

Homocysteine, circulating vascular cell adhesion molecule and carotid atherosclerosis in postmenopausal vegetarian women and omnivores.


Since the adoption of vegetarian diets as a healthy lifestyle has become popular, the cardiovascular effects of long-term vegetarianism need to be explored. The present study aimed to compare the presence and severity of carotid atherosclerosis (CA), and the blood levels of Vitamin B12, homocysteine (Hcy) and soluble vascular cell adhesion molecule-1 (sVCAM-1) between 57 healthy postmenopausal vegetarians and 61 age-matched omnivores. Carotid atherosclerosis, as measured by ultrasound, was found to be of no significant difference between the two groups. Yet, fasting blood glucose, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and Vitamin B12 were significantly lower, while Hcy and sVCAM-1 were higher in the vegetarians as comparing with the omnivores. Multivariate regression analysis showed that the level of Vitamin B12 was negatively associated with the level of Hcy. Vegetarianism itself and Hcy level were significantly associated with sVCAM-1 level in univariate analysis; however, after adjustment for covariates, we identified age but not vegetarianism as the determinant of sVCAM-1 level. Multiple linear regression analysis identified age and systolic blood pressure, but not vegetarianism, as determinants of common carotid artery IMT.

In conclusion, there was no significant difference in CA between apparently healthy postmenopausal vegetarians and omnivores. The findings of elevated Hcy in vegetarians indicate the importance of prevention of Vitamin B12 deficiency

PMID: 16005009 [PubMed - in process]

I'd be more concerend about your diet than mine

Neurologic Impairment in Children Associated with Maternal Dietary Deficiency of Cobalamin --- Georgia, 2001

During 2001, neurologic impairment resulting from cobalamin (vitamin B12) deficiency was diagnosed in two children in Georgia. The children were breastfed by mothers who followed vegetarian diets*. This report summarizes the two cases and provides guidance for health-care providers on identifying and preventing cobalamin deficiency among breastfed infants of vegetarian mothers.

Case 1

During August 2001, a girl aged 15 months was hospitalized for lethargy and failure to thrive. She was born after a full-term pregnancy complicated by prolonged nausea and vomiting. She was breastfed for 8 months, but the extent (exclusivity) of breast milk consumed relative to other food was unknown. Her mother reported following a vegan diet during the preceding 7 years and took nutritional and vitamin supplements. The cobalamin content of the supplements was unknown. When the child was aged approximately 8 months, organic whole-grain cereals and fruit shakes were introduced, but she had a poor appetite and vomited regularly. Her parents became concerned about her growth and development, and she was evaluated by a pediatrician at age 15 months. The pediatrician diagnosed failure to thrive, developmental delay, and severe macrocytic anemia. The child was hospitalized, and cobalamin deficiency was diagnosed (marked elevation [not quantified] of urine methylmalonic acid; serum B12:100 pg/mL [normal range: 210--911 pg/mL]) (Table 1).

The child received supplementary food by mouth and by nasogastric tube. She also received 2 mg of cyanocobalamin and 3 mg of hydroxocobalamin intramuscularly (IM) over 3 days. Three days later, she had partial complex seizures, which stopped without anticonvulsants. A brain MRI indicated global cerebral atrophy. The mother was treated with 1 mg of cobalamin IM.

At age 16 months, the child was seen in a genetics clinic to eliminate possible genetic causes of her neurologic deficiency. At age 28 months, her developmental skills ranged from 9 months for fine motor skills to 18 months for gross motor skills. Her expressive language was at 10 months, and her receptive language was at 12 months. At age 32 months, she had made developmental progress but continued to have developmental delays, especially in speech and language. She was prescribed daily sublingual cobalamin supplements.

Case 2

During March 2001, a boy aged 30 months with failure to thrive and mild global developmental delays was taken to a genetics clinic. He was born after a full-term pregnancy and breastfed exclusively until age 9 months. The mother reported following a vegetarian diet during the preceding 20 years, with negligible amounts of meat, fish, and dairy products. She reported intermittent intake of a vitamin supplement (TwinLab® Stress B Complex Caps, containing 250 mcg of "cobalamin concentrate," according to the label). When the boy was age 9 months, the health-care provider and his parents became concerned about the child's growth and development (Table 1). His diet was supplemented with fruit and dry cereals to improve growth. When this was unsuccessful, he underwent a frenectomy at age 11 months to free tongue movements and improve coordination of swallowing and chewing. Despite this intervention, growth was inadequate. His diet was supplemented with soy- and cow's milk--based formulas. He tolerated neither and started a multigrain nondairy formula (Multigrain Milk®) in addition to fruit, vegetables, chicken, an unknown vitamin supplement, and a product called Greens Plus® (no cobalamin content listed on label). Because of poor motor and speech development at age 11 months, the child was evaluated by a developmental pediatrician, who ordered genetic and metabolic studies and prescribed speech, occupational, and physical therapies. The child had persistent elevation of urine methylmalonic acid on three occasions but received no treatment for cobalamin deficiency until after the third measurement, which was ordered for a genetics clinic evaluation.

After diagnosis of cobalamin deficiency was confirmed at the genetics clinic (moderate peak [not quantified] of urine methylmalonic acid; serum B12: 149 pg/mL) (Table 1), the child was treated with 1 mg of hydroxocobalamin IM (2 weeks apart) and 1 mg sublingual doses daily. The mother also was treated with 1 mg of oral cobalamin daily. At the genetics clinic visit, the child had no frank neurologic signs but exhibited delays in speech. He experienced catch-up development in motor skills and completed physical therapy but continued speech, language, and occupational therapies. Approximately 6 months after beginning treatment, the child exhibited slight speech and fine motor skill delays but had age-appropriate gross motor skills. The parents reported that the child was administered a 1 mg cobalamin sublingual preparation every other day.

Reported by: R Muhammad, MD, P Fernhoff, MD, Dept of Pediatrics, Emory Univ, Atlanta, Georgia. S Rasmussen, MD, Div of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities; B Bowman, PhD, Div of Diabetes Translation; K Scanlon, PhD, L Grummer-Strawn, PhD, L Kettel Khan, PhD, Div of Nutrition and Physical Activity, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion; M Jefferds, PhD, EIS Officer, CDC.

Editorial Note:

The most common cause of cobalamin deficiency in infants and young children is maternal dietary deficiency (2), which generally manifests in breastfed infants at age 4--8 months (3). This deficiency is difficult to diagnose because of nonspecific symptoms (4). The two children described in this report had cobalamin deficiency and manifested multiple symptoms of undernutrition, particularly growth failure. After treatment for cobalamin deficiency, both children showed marked improvement in cobalamin status and development. In some cases, irreversible neurologic damage results from prolonged cobalamin deficiency, but the extent and degree of disability depends on the deficiency severity and duration (4). Seizures after treatment have been reported previously in children with cobalamin deficiency, although whether these are secondary to the treatment or to the underlying condition is unknown (5).

The prevalence of cobalamin deficiency is unknown for children aged <4 years. No clinical practice guidelines exist for diagnosing cobalamin deficiency in young children. Methylmalonic acid is a sensitive and specific indicator of cobalamin deficiency; holotranscobalamin II, total homocysteine, and serum B12 also are useful indicators (2,4,6). Macrocytic anemia and other hematologic indices are not appropriate screening tools (4).

Persons who follow vegetarian diets should ensure adequate cobalamin intake. The only reliable unfortified sources are animal products, including meat, dairy products, and eggs. Most naturally occurring plant sources of cobalamin are not bioavailable; however, plant foods fortified with cobalamin, such as some cereals, meat analogs, soy or rice beverages, and nutritional yeast (7), can be reliable and regular sources. The content of fortified food is usually listed on the food label and ingredient list. Fortified food and supplements made from cobalamin (e.g., cyanocobalamin) provide cobalamin that is physiologically active in humans (6). Products whose labels do not specify cobalamin and list only vitamin B12 might include nonbioavailable sources. Vegetarians, particularly women during pregnancy and lactation, should be knowledgeable about the cobalamin content of their food or seek nutritional advice. Few of the common infant-toddler cereals are fortified with cobalamin (8). Breast milk from mothers with adequate nutritional status, infant formula, cow's milk, or a cobalamin-fortified soy or rice beverage provide a cobalamin source for infants and children. If it is not possible to acquire the recommended dietary intake of cobalamin through food, a daily supplement should be taken that contains at least the recommended dietary intake of cobalamin from a reliable source (Table 2).

Health-care providers should be vigilant about the potential for cobalamin deficiency in breastfed children of vegetarian mothers. Potential cobalamin deficiency should be included in the differential diagnosis when assessing young children of vegetarian mothers who have symptoms consistent with cobalamin deficiency, including failure to thrive, developmental delay, neurologic/psychiatric manifestations, and hematologic abnormalities (4).

Health-care providers who care for mothers in the preconceptional, prenatal, and postpartum periods and their young children should ask pregnant and lactating mothers about their diets to identify those who are vegetarians. Pregnant and lactating women should eat foods rich in cobalamin or take a daily supplement containing at least the recommended dietary intake of cobalamin (Table 2). For those eating no or very limited food of animal origin or a known cobalamin source, a cobalamin assessment is indicated. If lactating mothers are cobalamin deficient, their infants should be evaluated for cobalamin deficiency and treated appropriately.

the amount of vitamin B-12 is 2 micrograms per day thats 2 millionths of a gram very easy to get (nutritional yeast)

I'm in awesome health i have better health now then i did in my 20's most have decent health until 30 ish and then the effects of your lifestyle will show.

as I said the optimim diet is plant based only ignorance disputes that

but what the meat industry has fed you or you go on line grab and article come on give me something legit......

Whoa why all the supplements??????If you are eating a well balanced meal there is little need to suppliment....your diet is better than most but it needs to be cleaned up IMO

the nuts should be raw too much salt

no water

not enough varity and colors

no legumes no whole grains

too much meat and dairy green tea whats that for?????

I will say you do get some fruits and vegetables are they organic or conventional that makes a huge differnrce in vitamin and mineral content.....

yeast is a good source but you can still get b12 deficiency even when you think you are meeting the RDI. Have you ever had any blood tests to look for deficiencies?
Great! - Could you list any results from blood chemistry or biomarkers of health? Blood pressure, pulse rate, HS-CRP, cholesterol numbers, metabolic panel, cbc, level of nutrients, fasting glucose, fasting insulin, maybe more? You say you are in superior health and maybe you are, i'm interested
Who is saying that plant based diet is not optimal?
I'm not sure who you are replying to here, but I have not got a clue what you are talking about, I never eat red meat, I rarely eat chicken (once a month), I eat fish 2-3 times a week.
I take the supplements because of my reduced caloric intake (1800k/cal a day).
My sodium intake doesnt often go above 600mg a day, thus I have to add a bit of salt to my foods so that my sympathetic nervous system activity doesnt increase. Doing CR and restricting Salt is bad. I'm getting around 1000mg sodium a day now.
I drink 10 glasses of water a day
Bull... take a look again.
did you even read it? I have 67g of oats everymorning, mixed beans almost daily (didnt include on list) - I can't have too many of these because of my reduced calorie intake!
100ml skim milk and 150g yogurt for calcium... Too much meat? I have fish 2-3 times a week and chicken once a month!

Green tea is a very healthy drink as it is high in antioxidants, reduces inflammation, antihistamine, inhibits certain cancers, lots of brain benifits and more!

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=146 - Inculudes references at the bottom!
Most of the products I buy are organic.

I have extremely healthy biomarkers, I don't know how I could possibly do better
So I guess I'm doing just fine

I take the supplements because of my reduced caloric intake (1800k/cal a day).

) Why are you on a limited calorie diet?????may i ask if you are in your 20's?????Salt is terrible for you (table) where are your sea vegetables????
also do you ever eat fast food, how about processed foods????

You should still be able to achieve all the nutrients you need on a 1800 calorie per day diet if you plan out your meals properly, without so many supplements.

Most farming soil has been depleted of its nutrient value through over usage. Getting all your requirements through food is almost impossible these days.

Frog you aren't a nutritionist and that shows by saying a childs bones will not break becasue of diet

every doctor worth his degree says that maybe Michigan is in the dark ages i don't know but frog you act as if peoepl jsut gets stuff thats called denail.....

You're no nutritionist either...I am sure I know more about this than you do. Diet does not affect fracture, your active lifestyle does. There have been many epidemiological studies on this that show no correspondance between diet and fractures. [YES and CDC]
First, what does this have to do with MI? Second, either have a background in Medicine or know what you are talking about before you say I am in denial. You don't know about this like I do. the CDC and YES have several studies proving my point. Do some research for once.

You build your baody based on the things you put into it, the body doesn't care yet it will work with what you give it to the best of its ability, an optimum body and mind come from good nutrition.........A poorly fed body a poorly working brain.....

You keep saying that frog

You can be the most unhealthy eater in the world and not break a bone. Your PHYSICAL lifestyle affects fractures more than diet.
No, I'm just saying nutrion is not the leading cause of fractures.

Frog would you give your kids fast food and sodas?????as the core of their nutriton let alone if ever. How about those school lunches?????

I know of people who have stood up and broke there foot because of poor nutrition..

in my neighbor hood there are 9 children 7 have broken bones, they are out all the time running around ridining bikes skateboarding the thing they share is poor nutrition

I think it depends on the individual... all the vegetarians I've heard of or known were pale, unhealthy people, yet I'm sure there are many that do very well with it. I myself could not live without meat... sorry, vegans. However, I love vegetables and get several servings of them daily whenever available, and take vitamins in the morning. Exercise also helps with food processing and a healthy lifestyle.