I'm a friend of artys and his carnivore ways are part of the freindship lol, as i said you can only decide what is best for yourself I just put the information if its not for you thats fine with me......All the best

This is your nutrtional education????? Its false .......simple as that.....not everything is credible...but its your body...lol

How long have you had Lyme Disease? Lyme disease does not go away because of food.

It is a BACTERIAL INFECTION. You probably just let it sit there long enough that it would naturally go away. Antibiotics would of cured it in a snap.

Frog the point was his immunity cured it in a snap, contrary to your ideas the immune system if cared for and nurtured, left alone with dangerous drugs it will do amazing things as rage is showing.......Kind of like you playing saxaphone cured your asthma frog

And antibiotics would of cured it faster.

I see that Sheri has yet to find a comeback for that.



No, this is not my "nutrtional education", it's just something I found on the web that proves that there is a fanatic for everything.
Also, "its false" is a rather juvenile way of refuting that point- even though it seems a tad ridiculous to me, what exactly makes it false? I wouldn't try it myself, but that doesn't mean it's wrong- and I respect your diet and desicion, yet I know that my diet and desicion is not for everyone, nor am I ruining my health.

Orro i beleive you said it all ......

ohh so now Frogfish is a doctor too LOL

Overuse of Antibiotics has lead to drug-resistant pathogens

Its not overuse its the incorrect use anti-biotics.

If you use or ask a doctor to presicribe you antibiotics every time you get sick then its overuse and potentially incorrect use as well.

Incorrect prescription plays a small part in incorrect use. The big problem is when the patients dont complete the full antibiotic treatment/course, without completely removing the pathogen. Consequent generations of the pathogens may then develope resistance. The antiobiotic courses are developed to remove even the pathogens that have partial or minimal resistance to the antibiotic. When the patient doesnt complete the course, the remainder of the pathogens are in essence selected to be partially or minimally resistant. These pathogens are the ones that develope stronger mechanisms for antiobiotic resistance.
Overprescription is a big problem but it is the use of the antiobiotics that lead to completely antiobiotic resistant strains.

Eg: In the case of TB sufferers the patients will take the antibiotics until they feel better and often stop treatment before it is complete, giving the minimally/partially resistant bacteria a chance to grow. Upon relapse the patient wont go to the docter, instead he will take the antibiotics left from the previous course. This again is not enough to completely remove the pathogens, coninueing the circle.
In essence: Doctors are giving uninformed(often willingly ignorent) patients the chance to create their own little antibiotic resistant critters.

Hehe is totally correct. Many people think viruses cannot evolve. Bacteria can diversify themselves by exchanging plamids (circular DNA) with each other-potentially carrying resistance genes), or they can even pick up DNA of their habitat.

he he that is common knowledge yet we have frog on here pimping antibiotics..Antibiotics have helped millions and there discovery has truly ranked up there with great medical discoveries, even the guy who discoverd antibiotics (fleming) warned of overuse In those days no staphylococcus aureus were resitiant to penicillion..the rate of resistant bacteria is growing rapidly...the way doctors and hospitals cope is use higher doses ..IN 2001 UCS stated that the use of antibiotics in factory (meat and dairy) account for the majority of the use of antibiotics.Its widely recognized that this practice has eroded the ability of these medicines to help human illness In 95 fluroroquinolones began being used in poultry before that a resitance was unknown... There are those that don't finish there course but lets not pretend that is the only reason there is a problem.....lol

It is the patient that will cut short or overuse prescription, helping bacteria/viruses evolve.


Have any proof that they saturate meats and dairies with anti-biotics? Or is it just your vegan-propaganda?

Frog i edited my prior post it answers your questions...

I was unaware if this, interesting. Some farmers (quite common) administer sub-therapeutic doses of antibiotics to livestock so that the animals can gain up to 3% weight, and it is this sub-therapeutic dose that can lead to resistance.
Agricultural use may contribute to the problem, but it is impossible to determine to what extent.
At least sheep and chickens finish their courses .

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...e/overview.html

its really serious he he , they have so much power and lobby to keep on doing as they are Sadly the U.S. is the only country that hasn't banned the use of antibiotics, all other countrys have..which even as a layperson we can see the effects on human population , many are sick and have acute conditions with no cure in sight.....if i had one hope it would be hope for the practices the fast food industry being the biggest contributor to planetary and human destruction. to get that 99cents hamburger to the table is gonna be humanitys downfall..... as consumers our power lies in where we put our money.........Three and a half years ago i got of of all meat and dairy products to try to make a difference and family What i also noticed is my health improved and acute conditions corrected themselves...More and more cases of vancomycin-resistant staph are being reported.....the big guns so to speal in antibiotics........

It would probably be politics

meaning the politics of food???Then yes its very corrupt....

No, the politics of foreign affairs.

Frog politics is the art of deception and it covers alot of area.....including foriegn...

I know..I am just saying the fall of mankind will be international politics, not food

No frog on this one you have no idea yet, the rainforest is disappearing as we speak.... the meat industy burns down (litereally wastes) thousands of acres to raise cattle so many can eat a 99 cent hamburger... no, water and food will be humanitys downfall ....every person who eats fast food supports the rape and pillage of our rain forests.....Look into it.....

You can not become nature conscious without posing a certain limit to population around the world. The more we become and the longer we live, the more resources are necessary to accomodate our continuous existence.

I say if you want to save the world start with in the right place. Its not about trees. Its about humans.

Without the ecosystem there are no humans and as it stands humans have managed to abuse that but good....Change starts with seeing what is really so and finding some way to contribute...and there are plenty.....

And thousands of people die evry day due to corrupt politics. Screw the rainforest when there are more important debates at hand...Like Iran, Hamas, etc...

Interesting perspective frog being as how the rain forest provides the air we breathe...Politics is a small matter simply become independent of the systems enough do that they are forced to change......the majority isn't as many as you think a few people can effect great change never forget that...sitting and gripping does nothing find a way to effect change......

Well unfortunately until we see the doomsday at our doorstep ecological issues are not a priority. Change takes time and of that we are running out a long time now. Many have marked the "point of no return" but frankly that is not an issue anymore. Politics will always dictate over common sense even if it is the death of us.

I don't see thousands of people dying each day due to the destruction of the rainforest

Politics on the other hand...

Being americans we tend not to look past our own noses, greenhouse effect is a result of the destroyed rain forests which leads to erratic weather how many died in new orleans etc etc??????

It looks like you also don't understand weather...Katrina was a HURRICANE. Do you knwo what a hurricane is? They are very rare along the west coast.

Greenhouse effect is just another conspiracy. The total temperature of the earth has risen about 1 degree over that last century...A change of 5 over a short period of time is needed to affect life



You would be much better suited to the World News thread There are a lot of Anti-US wackoos there...

Frog you make me laugh I don't post about things don't understand....I'm not impressed with a rebuttal in the form of insults...you can disagree wihout name calling correct?????
global warming is something people talk about but don't understand quite a bit of the time The earths atmosphere is made up of gases and water vapor...the primary gases are nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%) argon is the next most common gas yet it makes up about 1%...anyways Frog oxygen and nitrogen allow heat and light to pass through rather easily CO2 behaves abit differently, it acts like a blankie around the earth, trapping heat in and below the atmosphere..Gases that behave like this are called 'greenhouse' gases becasue they act like glass on a greehouse, trapping the suns heat and keeping the plants inside warm(methane, which also contains carbon, is another greenhouse gas)So one of the primary functions of CO2 is to regulate tempature of the planets surface..two important ways CO2 is removed from the air is trees and coral reefs these two carbon sinks act as resivoirs for carbon keeping it out of the atmosphere...

More scientists say that there is no warming.

UH YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECTS YOURSELF LOL......

Congratrulations for tell me the composure of the Atmosphere...No need to do it, I already know what it is made of...

Tell me, what does this have to do with "Warming"?






UH NO YOU CAN'T LOL......
Humans cannot detect the increase of a single degree over such a long time.




Ha! Coming from you?

Like I said before, I think I know more about the natural sciences than you.

Actualy FF, recent data seems to show a correlation between hurricane intensity and temperature increase, granted that doesn't prove causation, but you can't say there isn't some kind of link.



...GOP

Katrina was caused by the warm waters of the Gulf...Check the records, any hurricane that passes over the gulf reaches either category 4 or 5. The real tragedy was that St. Orleans was built in a depression and had a poor levee system.

Actually what they found was a positive correlation between the increasing temperature and the increasing amount of storms reaching cat.5, so something is occuring, we just don't have any proof of cause.

Look Global Warming may be nothing, but I think its in our best interest to err on the side of caution if possible.

Frog for one who understands the natural sciences so well doesn't need to have little ole me explain anything lol......You make me laugh frog such a teenager naive and trusting read up on global warming and reread my post it was written for the natural scientist its elemetary young man....

psst: Between your vaccines not working and the severe weather cranking up and the drought driven wildfires and warm atmosphere driven tornadoes and hurricanes, throw in a few tropical storms amping up a notch both in frequency and devastation around the world and then tell me the rain forest has nothing to do with any of this as hard as they try and do fairly well the american oil and coal industry burys the scientific facts there are still many who are waking up and unburying their heads in the sands...

Hurricanes go in cycles(usually long cycles, 20 years or so). We are in a up cycle. Thats it. Nothing more.

And if its not just an up cycle?

Better to be safe than sorry I say.

It fits the pattern that cycles go in.

Ericraven no truth tto what you are saying , convienent bury your head in the sand american behavior but things don't just mysteriously go in cycles.......there is a casue and an effect, as my freind aviansh has so graciously said we as a humanity are beyond the comfort zone and we need to err on the side of caution as it is we have done damage that will take a very long time to reverse if it can be......

Say what you will. I agree with you on nothing.

Whatever works for you

problem with cycles is we've been studying them for only a fraction of geologic time, in fact much of how the planet's overall system works is still a mystery, we don't know the tipping points which might result in drastic changes, this planet has experienced massive shifts in climate throughout its history, to state that current events are merely part of a cycle is irresponsible, considering our lack of knowledge.

As such it is better to take steps which may help slow if not reverse any effects we have caused.

we will adapt and overcome as we have for over a million years

Indeed Avinash what we do understand is only over the last 20 years or so....In our ignorance we have managed to destroy the system, the ocean is 90% pollutted we are 75% water....I agree nature will adapt tot the conditions but I doubt humans will be here we are about to make ourselves extinct by our practices, we actaully have affected the weather patterns lol.......I agree with the oh things will work themselves out is irresponsible that is the same as waiting for a savior to come in and save the day or thinking medicine will magically come up with some vaccine it can't even cure the things we do have....the thing is we each have to personally make choices that will effect change and there are many ways caring is one way, just deciding if you give a crap about the ecosystem to begin with....there is literally 6 miles between the ground and breathable air and scientists are saying that is lowering the sky is literally falling....

What about if she told you you where great? would you agree?

1 degree is still not a big difference