ok once uponh a time smoking wasnt around it came around peopel didint know aobut it and now we know its harmful as far back as we can tell peopel ate meat. i ahve a thinck head of hair my blood pressure is 124 over 74 htats is pretty damn good i dont realy eat that much fish so mercury isnt a problem for me not that i dont eat fish but its liek once a month if that. chickes and steak are what i eat most. oh and i dont have diabetes. ure making my sound liek a leapor because i eat meat. idk very rarely does leaves fill me. i cant/wont change my diet to fit what YOU think is right. heres a thought for u. maby the cause of this is the fact kids aret getting of there fat arses and doing something maby thats the problme maby its they sleep for the entire day and when they do eat its there eating junk food. i find more of a connection with junk food and bad health then meat and bad health. rembmer one thing a few decades ago peopel were rarely vegiterains and health problmes were far less common and kid were more active. now they are eating twinkies and all the perserative crap and plaing video games. but u know ur right me eating a burger today is gonna kill me wake up the problem isnt meat its unmotivated kids who eat junk food. and heres an idea its the liberal mentality of treat kids kinder and dont hit them ever no matter what anbd all that stuff that allows kids the society where they cna slack off and not do anything. so i blame bad health on that. heres my solution GET JOBS EAT REAL FOOD INCLUDING MEAT WAKE UP BEFOR 12 EVERY DAY AND JUST DO SOMETHING. the real problem is junk food not meat. p.s. remember half the docotrs u ses graducated in the bottom half of there class.

today i had bacon, hamburgers, hot dogs, and chicken and they were all realy realy good.

"ug' "ug" spoken like a true caveman lol Just alittle humour lol.........Your diet is you we'll chat again in about 10 years see how you are then lol........



ON a more serious note I felt this post was a good addition to this thread the poster is MAnapa99 a great voice at UM......at least I think so.....

I wonder how most people would feel about eating animals if they had to watch them die???
Hear them scream as they submerge them in boiling water, or as they chainsaw off parts of their bodies...
Here’s a nice little article all about it, and I hope each and every one of you read it, so that you understand what you are doing when you order that steak....
'They Die Piece by Piece'

And there is no difference from humans and animals, a very good book about animal emotions is called when elephants cry, it has quite a few stories in it about events witnessed and documented of animals and emotions. There is very little studying of animal emotion because of this belief that we are so different and that animals can't have morals or emotions...
As animals we have become an abomination of nature... we have greatly depleted out world of it's beauty and resources all for the betterment of our selves... and me as an American, I’m so greatly P*ssed off when someone just makes a joke or calls a person a name such as tree huger when all we want is to preserve what's left of this place for out future generations...
There are so many people out there who would gladly destroy a forest just to build some ugly mini mall that will be abandoned in 10 years just for a few extra bucks, and we all look the other way and ignore it as long as out pizza arrives on time we're content....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer for article
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who says we're supose to eat meat?
there's no one there twisting your arms, even if your ancestors ate meat it doesn't mean you are required to, peaple can live without meat and in most cases be way more healthy then the average person that eats meat with every meal.

Exactly manapa eating meat is a choice not a must do..Its a myth we must eat meat generated by the meat industry, and being a vegan myself and my family I can tell you we are very healthy contrary to the popular myth that vegans are sickly lol..thats my favorite myth or that you need tons of animal protien to build muscle another myth I even posted a list of the exemplary athletes and body builders that are vegans......Bill pearl Mr. Universe a vegan lol.....

i was not aware that he was a vegan lol but it is nice to know lol

tripped me out too manapa lol

Vegie heads are silly. Eating red meat caused our brains to grow back when the cavemen wandered lol. So technically they are dissallowing themselves to eveolve, as slow as it might be.

and sacrificing speed for upright stability which enhanced the collecting of fruits and nuts from tress was a part of our evolution as well.

don't live in the past. Denying where evolution took us and insisting on a meat-based diet, if anything, is what will retard further evolution.

Yes because it afforded us extra food supply at a time when we lacked many alternatives before agriculture, today we can head into any store and find hundreds if not thousands of potential food sources, time to realize its not the "stone age" anymore.

lol great post

haha u arent looking at the big picture. chimps live in the rain forest if there was ever a place to find plants that are able to be eatne its there. and yet they still eat meat. if they didnt need it they wouldnt eat it. yet they do and we are so close to them in so many ways 99.4% of the same dna says so. and thus it is only logical that people shoudl eat meat too. its not a manner of stone age thinking this is far before stone age this is just pure nature. nature supplies an animal with everything it needs to survive. i mean a whle doesnt need to eat grass and a cow doesnt need to eat a coconut and a lion doenst need to eat a salmon. what they need to survive is given to them in nature. now think aobut it this way. look at primitave tribes in the far reaches of the world very few know of the diseases that plague us. most have little to no apperances of caner or diabetes. why is this because there eating what they should its supplied by nature. and yea they all eat meat.

Just face it Sherri, meat is as healthy as most veggies...A balanced diet is the best...better than a vegan or all-meat diet.

Most peoples diets are mixed, and yet vegeterian diets are regarded as healthier.



What? There are other apes that are vegeterian, so regardless of whether our ancestors are meat eaters or not has no bearing on what we should eat.



And yet we have no need to eat meat, we've advanced to the point where its no longer needed.

Not always...I woundn't like to get most of my vitamins and minerals through pills.

it doenst matter if other apes eat only veggies were not as close to them way to avoid the point. and hers a very lovely thought the more pills and crap u ingest because ur not getting ur minerals u need from meat the more damage done to ur liver as it tries to break them down. and when ur liver has over 512 functions in the body u dont want to mess that up

Many apes eat meat also...Chimps are voracious predators...They create organized and brutal hunts of smaller monkeys.

I've never taken vitamins



That's kind of my point it doesn't matter what apes eat, we aren't them, we divierged from the common ancestor we shared with them millions of years ago so what they eat is irrelevant.



See above.

I've never either...I am perfectly healthy and I eat a balanced diet if veggies and meat.

haha frogfish dont u get the feeling they think were gonna drop dead tommrow cause we eat meat? NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY cause i dont think u gopt it before humans and chimps came form a group that branched of gorillars million of years ago then that gropu spread into humans and chimps (to put it basicly) now we share 99.4% of our dna with chimps and himps eat meat now. what that 99.4% of the same dna means is we are so close ot eachother geneticly that if it wasnt for two chromosomes that meged into one along the spit of humans and chimps we could interbreed. infact to do to an anominaly that happens sometimes whre the one chromose diffrnece doesnt matter its realy complicated and i dont feel like getting into it some poeple bleive that humans and chimps still can interbreed. ok think aobut that. dont u tihnk then that to just think that u dont share any of the dietary needs of a chimp? dwe evolved from them in the same area as they didi in the forests of africa so the same food would be avaible. to them and us so it is only logicla our early ancestors ate the same as thme and as i said earlier nature gives animals the food they need so meat is needed.



u say u never taken vitamins but maby if u did u wouldt all be in jollier moods

I don't eat meat and am perfectly healthy, so my point is proven, you don't need meat.



I don't think you get it we diverged end of discussion, what chimps do is irrelavent, because they are not part of our evolutionary line anymore, we are different, 99.4% the same is still .6% different and that .6% is huge, its what allowed us to have science, civilaization, language, etc., so it doesn't matter what they eat.

ok but if u tihnk aobut it white people and blakc people share only 99.9% of the same dna .1% diffrence now .6%-.1%=.5% diffrence because u can be sure that what ever makes us diffrent fomr other races of peopel is inclded in the diffrence between us and chi,ps so a .5% diffrnece is even less of a diffrence. and heres some more infor for u. the split came when people movedo ut of the forest this is provne by the fact that out ancesors are found in areas where there were grassy plains and no chimps lived there. this means even less diversity of our vegation we took in which means we made up for this buy chasing animals away from kills scavangeing meat. and if possibly hunting on our own. or like robin ostrich nest and thel ike so this leads to the added protien making peope have larger brains then chimp counter parts and thus allowing us to have civilation and language and science whic science has proven u wrong in ever account of this topic so far i found nouthnig that supportsu saying people eating veggies only is better thne meat and vegatation so until u can prove what u say is right then u shoudlt say that people eating meat is not needed/wrong or any of that nonsence. and p.s. a .6% diffrence in dna realy isnt that huge my dear in fact its quiet amazing how small it is people only evolved very shortly ago in terms of time. use research not bais statments to bakc up urself.

p.s. i eat meat and have an i.q. of 132 this is farabove average so hey maby eating meat does have something to do with intelelgence

Well let me ask you if .5-.6% is small then how come we have vast cities, space travel, flight, cars, electricty, the internet, languages, etc. while chimps have none of the above?

Umm...like I alredy stated, meat gave us an added source of food when we were primitive, now we are advanced, meat isn't needed anymore, you could say we've evolved beyond the need for meat.

heres an idea large brain is capable of doing more complex tasks. protien and large amounts of it is needed ot increase brin size thus more meat which would have been the most avaible protien source ot them would have been comsumed. and no we did not evolve beyond that. jeeze do research dont use words in a way that dont work just because u say were evolved beyond it doesnt mean we are. heres an idea for u protien and arbs are needed to keep the brain an liver working and u get protien and "good carbs" from animals. i would belive i know what im tlakin aobut here i only studied these kinds of subjects in school u know things liek human evolution and anatomy but yea im sure u would obviously know more i mean u do rad articles u see in the local news papers. jeeze ask frogfish about neurology hell bakc me on this about protien needed to increase brain size. why do u think preadators havel arger brinas then grazing animals? why do u tihnk chimps have larger brins then gorillas why do u think wolves have larger brins then deer? its all in the protien

Like i've said dozens of times, it wasn't the protein but the added food source and the extra calories/fats that we got from having the extra food source, that led to the increased brain size, in fact it was most likley a combination of various food sources that allowed us to have the growth of the brain.


I said "you could say we evolved", I never said that we did evolve (you do understand what a figure of speech is, right ), in fact research says the human brain is still evolving and has been for quite some time.



And plant sources as well.



And yet we can get all our protein from plant sources now, so thanks for proving my point, we're advanced enough that we don't need meat, we can get everything we need from other sources thanks to advances in society

no u are wrong its not thayt we had more food fat animals arent a norm in the wild its not healthy and thus its not gonna happen. exceptions are bears who store up food for winter haha they eat meat too. sea animals who store up fat for boyance and insulation its not sometihng u see in healthy apes. so thanks for proving 2 points one is meat helped devlope more complex brins and the second is apparently no meat leads to people not looking at facts

Avinash great posts even if you have to repeat yourself ALOT.... Jane Goodal who is ocnsidered the foremost authority on chimps said they eat more pplants than meat ...meat on occassion...she has studied them the longest....

I agree with you and Hyper we have evolved beyond the need for meat, Frog you are 15 years old, Robbie is 23, Hyoer and myself are in our 30's avinash I don't know...but when you are 30 i'd like talk with you again.... MEAT is not the optimim diet I too have never taken suppliments or vitamins..........You guys are creating absurd arguements to justify your herd mentality which tells you to eat meat...Robbie thinks the monkeys do so he should and frog thinks his cannines are the reason..Robbie also thinks bigger brains blah blah.....nature doesn't do excuses....You will become what you eat just as every other person before you lol........

u take everything to extremes all i said was i eat meat i never said i dont eat anything but meat. ok and i never said monkey im looking at a close relative of man if sicnece proves anything its that similar animals have simialr habits. i.e. breeding eating social. next WHAT DID U STUDY AFTER SCHOOL? i studied zoology u? and dont talk to me aobut jane goodal because u will only make a fool of yourself jane goodal was one of 3 big influences on me into moving into the field i did and belive me i know more of her and her studies then u could hope to. the two others if u were wondering were darwin and diana fossey. and i woudlnt try to top me on either of there theories here either now unless u want to tell me of ur profound studies of the natural wolrd i would stop making me seem like i dont know what im tlaking aobut with age does not come wisdom only studying . wise age comes altimers and a sense of ignorance so hey who gives a Rattus norvegicus rear end

p.s. Rattus norvegicus is a rat

Sorry but read up a little, it was due to increased fat and caloric intake that our brain size increased (why else do you think that breast milk is so high in fat and low in protein compared to cow milk and we're born with extra fat).



Well when you're arguing with people who haven't read up on the research you end up having to repeat the same things over and over.

jeeze we are born with fat yes but not just glyocgen fat we are born with a fat that insulates us until our bodies are able to regualte our own body temperature this happens within a two month period in umans. and fat baby u see after that is just eating to much. and f.y.i. mothers milk changes during childs development. the first few days its alot diffrnet then when there weeing. u need to just stop tlaking because everything ur thorwing at me is easly disproven. do some research on the topic then come bakc at me aty least make this some wht of a chalange for me

You have no Idea about any of this do you? Mother's milk actually becomes more fatty the longer they feed, and babies aren't born with the fats for insulation, but for brain growth, look read up then argue.

Human brains aren't just comparatively big, they're hungry. The average newborn's brain consumes an amazing 75-per cent of an infant's daily energy needs. According to Dr. Cunnane, to fuel this neural demand, human babies are born with a built-in energy reservoir that cute baby fat. Human infants are the only primate babies born with excess fat. It accounts for about 14 per cent of their birth weight, similar to that of their brains.

It's this baby fat, says Dr. Cunnane, that provided the physiological winning conditions for hominids' evolutionary brain expansion.

And this on fat content over time for mothers breast milk

"We showed that the milk of mothers who breast-fed more than a year had a very high fat content," Lubetzky said. "That contradicts the claim that breast-feeding at this stage has no nutritional contribution. On the other hand, the long-term effect of such a high-fat intake has not been studied."

And we all know that babies that are breast fed are on average more intelligent.

Breast-fed babies’ IQ is three to five points higher than that of formula-fed babies, according to researchers at the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center.

and this on high fat content of breast milk vs. cow milk

Fat – Breast milk contains more fat than cow’s milk and is more easily absorbed by your baby. This is one of the reasons that breast fed babies have different stools than bottle (formula) fed babies. Since the baby is not excreting any wasted fats the stool will be a yellow mustard color with a mildly sweet smell.

so there you go.

Avinash i'd be interested in reading this in its entirety...I breast far longer than recommended year... and youa re correct all of us who have breast fed see hands down that our kids blow away th ebottle fed kids in intellegence and health ...A breast fed baby's skin tone is rosy and healthy and a bottle fed baby has a smell and is ashy....Aslso not enough is said on the immune system of the breast fed baby its common knkowledeg amoungst those that breast feed you are setting the foundation for good health for the childs life....

Robbieb chillax, I don't know everythig nor do you...we all learn from each other...so stop withthe testoserone ug ug I'm a bigger ape then you bravdo and lets learn from each other...noone thinks you are a moron..Avin is brilliant you can learn from everyone...lol Wisdom is what makes an education valuable...Books are only as good as the persons persepecetive and time and experience are viable...lol

You know Sherri, in some cultures they breast feed up to like 7-8 years old and even sometimes beyond.

ok well someone telling me that the fat a baby is born with i not for keeping the baby warm in my book is ignorant look it up. the normal trigger for a switch from milk to solid food is teething and to breast feed up to 7-8 is not natural at all. no one on this entire thread has said that there is anything better thne mothers milk for the young. high fat content is desigined to enable rapid growth. the mental diffrence between peopel and grillas/chimps is thje same up until the year of about 1 the gorilla/chimp is beyond that of a human so u cant argue that fatty milk is stimulation brin growth of intelegence there my dear. it stays that way until aobut a humans age of three wheer after that humans start to excel past apes and hey guess what at that point there not eating milk but smaller portions of the adults food.

well, breastfeeding past when the teeth come in is detrimental to the teeth.

rob,
i am truly amazed at your efforts to rationalize your eating habits.
you never responded to my comment on the evolution of upright stature and the sacrifices made to for it which enhance fruit and nut gathering.

i never saw it im sorry i will respond to it now. up right posture has nothing to do with gathering food it is more a survalence method. people evolvedo ut of the forest on open plains a taller anaimsl will see over the grass better and be more able to avoid anaimls hiding in the grass stalking prey. i.e. lions leopard smilidons all those lovely preadators. now as for advancing gathering thats ilogical to stand up right u are placing ur hands farther away form the ground this hinders gathering to bend over and reach for fruit on the ground (peopel aret good tree climbers and tree fruit is ususaly higer then u are tall) it puts to much strain on ur back. it is in turn more logical that since we were on the open plains the uprihghtt posture was designied to give us better strides better survalence to avoid predators and to find food out in the grss i.e. say a cheetha killed a gazel a group of peopel could chasse the cheetah away and thne eat some meat form it. (bigger cats would probly jut kill a people who trie d chasing it away form ther kill until peopel started eveloping weapons but anyway cheetahs are fragile and would rather run usualy.

its not that im rationalsing my eating habits im defending them agast green peace over here. lol

human evolution was drilled into my brain during school lol

The baby fat is designed to fuel brain growth otherwise why don't other primates have it.

And data proves that Breast feeding is the better choice and makes the kids smarter, you've failed to support any of your arguments, you just don't want to admit you're wrong.

i agreed that breast feeding is best what are u on crack?

But you failed to agree that its a source of brain growth, look its simple you just don't want to admit you're wrong.

grr any food is a source for brin growth but u said babys are born with fat to increse brin grwoth which is wrong babies are born with a type of fat that wil lnever be createdd in there body again once it is used up its desigined for insulation a new born baby who is not capable of regualtion there body temperature and if u dont think that new borns cant control ther bodt temp ur a fool like i said nature gives everything what it needs to survive. this fat once the body starts regulationg its own temperature then gets disolved. the fat in mothers milk is not the same as the original baby fat that it is born with

really???Avinash i have read this but i wasn't sure i did until my boy was alot older not that old but definitely beyond well beyond the recommended age...its unheard of in america very few go this long....Its just thought of as bizarre.....Its frowned upon to nurse peopel complain about women who nurse in public and what not we are so weird...I didn't buy into it...lol can you tell???lol

its not healthy u dont need any dairy at all after the time of teething its not recomendd by and physician to breast feed that long.

why do u tihnk baby teeth are so sharp?

Prove it...I've already shown you proof that scientists attribute bay fat to brain growth, prove that its false.

Human brains aren't just comparatively big, they're hungry. The average newborn's brain consumes an amazing 75-per cent of an infant's daily energy needs. According to Dr. Cunnane, to fuel this neural demand, human babies are born with a built-in energy reservoir that cute baby fat. Human infants are the only primate babies born with excess fat. It accounts for about 14 per cent of their birth weight, similar to that of their brains.

It's this baby fat, says Dr. Cunnane, that provided the physiological winning conditions for hominids' evolutionary brain expansion.

prove that this is wrong.




And yet it happens in some cultures, can you deal with that, people not agreeing with you?

here u go i couldnt copy my anatomy book into the computer for u but i tihnk ull enjoy this and once u read this i would love an apologie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_fat


and i dont care that people do it in other cultures people sdo alot of stupid things in other cultures i dont care im very ethnocentric just because osmoen does it doenst mean its healthy or natural theething is the signle for mother animals to stop nuring and start weening.

And yet it doesn't disprove anything I said, thats what I wanted, disprove my point, whether it also keeps the baby warm isn't what i'm arguing

Also 14%-5%=9% a lot more than your .6% eh

its ilogical for the brin to eat it up if its being used to keep the baby warm espicaly if the baby cant grow more

robbieb truthfully you wouldn't consult a doctro on breast feeding you would consult a veteran breast feeding mother with wisdom..some of the so called primitive practices are the most superior and have stood the test of time...I breast fed and the teeth aren't an issue that is a myth... baby and mother will work that out....I feel my sons teeth the health of them is due in large part to the fact i breast fed never any bottle sitting in a babys mouth and his diet....He is 8 and has just began to lose his baby teeth unheard of for a bottle fed Standard american diet and the mouth is a microcsom of the entire health of the body and the longer the teeth are in the better...the denist told me kids diets nowadays are ruining there teeth...look into the stats on it ...lol sometimes as a parent you have to start making your own decisons not following the herd....see avin Robbie represents the average beleifs on breast feeding they consult books and regardless of the wisdom of those tha thave done it the book rules the day and this is called education...lol

14%-5%, what does that equal?

ware u talking aobut 14%-5%= i have no idea what u are tlaking aobut and im starting to worry aobut u.


sherri u breast fed ur kid til lhe was 8? or did i mis read that

In neonates (new born babies), brown fat, which then makes up about 5% of the body mass

Human infants are the only primate babies born with excess fat. It accounts for about 14 per cent of their birth weight

did you even read the articles

no my kid is 8...but i and several parents I hang with breast fed far longer then the recommended time which is a year at this point...