QUOTE(robbieb @ May 24 2006, 07:10 AM) [snapback]1203295[/snapback]
i sitll dont find cancer links o be sound yet. i mean all these studies do is look at there meat intake and not anything else there eating. people cna smoke all there life and never get cancer but smoking is linked to cancer but i know a person who worked out in my dojo he was a vegeterian did everything right didnt drink didnt smoke and he got cancer he was studying to become a priest and died from it last summer. and they also taked aobut red meat. there are other types of meat. cancer is a horrible horrible thingg and the worst part about it is u cant tell who will and who wont get it. i have seen enough expirements and taken enough statics classes to know that u can find a link between anytihng and everything if u try hard enough.
Robbie, how can I say this in a way you will understand, so as not to waste our time...
I feel you keep stating the obvious, so as to credit yourself. Obviously those who take preventative measures not to get cancer can still get it. You claim to be a zoologist, and that's a very admirable career, but at least try and understand what we are telling you. Maybe you could learn something if you bring your head out of the clouds.
I'm not going to say if you smoke you will get cancer, because there is a chance you won't. Just like I am not saying if you eat meat you will get cancer, because there is a good chance you won't.
Those who smoke 1 cigarette per day are less likely to get cancer than those who smoke 1 pack a day. Those who eat 1 burger a day are less likely to get cancer than those who eat 1 bucket of the Colonel's Kentucky Fried Cruelty per day. There will always be those who don't get it who don't try and stay healthy, and those who do, even if they try to prevent getting it. All I am saying, is that those who eat meat regularly are at higher RISK (definition of risk: The possibility of suffering harm or loss; danger. Note: It is a possibility, not a conviction to cancer!) Just because you are a vegetarian does not mean you will not get cancer, but it does help to prevent it. Moreso than chowing down on a chunk-o-meat every meal.
I would like to enlighten you to the fact that you do not have to be fat to have high cholesterol, and you do not have to be fat to have heart problems. If you have a fast metabolism and are in shape, but chow down on KFC and McDicks all the time, you're likely to have a problem internally. We now know what the causes of heart attacks are, and thus we can prevent them. Researchers find that high levels of cholesterol in your blood makes you at higher risk of heart attack. Per 1% increase in the cholesterol found in your blood, there is a 2 % increase in your chance of heart attack. And vice versa, for decreasing your risk. Because of the meat, dairy and egg industries, we still think that all these things are necessary for our health. Did you know that the milk from cows is now being studied for it's effect of INCREASING your risk of developing osteoperosis?? INCREASING!!! Doesn't that drive you mad? The milk industries have been telling us that it makes for strong and healthy bones, and now they're testing it for that? Wow. Sure tells you a lot about these industries, eh?
Anyways, about the cholesterol... I'll rap it up by saying vegans have a 57% reduced risk of death from heart disease... (Info found in the British Medical Journal) Eating meat increased cholesterol. Eating veggies downs it.
Researchers also found that veggies are 25-50% less likely to get from cancer. They also found that people who chow down on bad meat, such as hot dogs, sausages, processed meats, were 70% more likely to get pancreatic cancer. (Found from Xinhua News April 2005.)
Now for this "free range" thing... BE CAREFUL! Free range products are just as stingy if not more that regular products.
The United States Department of Agriculture says animals have to have access to outdoors.
Aaaannnnd that's about it.
There are no rules for how long they are outside, how much space they have. In a report in the Seattle Times, an eyewitness said that a farm that advertised it's hens were raised in a 'natural setting', the birds were actually crammed wall to wall, 6800 chickens, 1 rooster for every 100 hens, and they never set foot outside.
Also, because of genetic manipulation (growth horomones) many of the animals who are described to be free range actually never go outside because it is too much pain and effort to move that far. They are not bred for mobility, they're bred to be shoved down our throats. U.S. regulations for free range products apply only to chickens raised for meat, not eggs. It doesn't matter what the egg carton says, most hens raised for their eggs are subjected to cramped, filthy conditions until their egg production begins to slow, then they are slaughtered. Millions of male chicks are killed (usually in a high-speed grinder called a “macerator”) every year because they are worthless to the egg industry. These places aren't happy go lucky. These animals might be allowed to go outside, but when we pump them full of horomones and antibiotics so they are too heavy and depressed to move, what's the point?
Organic meat must come from animals that are fed no antibiotics or horomones, but it is suspected that LESS than 2% of "organic" animals are raised this way.
*Other Labels Regulated by the USDA*
---“Certified”: Meat that has been stamped with this label has been “evaluated” by the USDA “for class, grade, or other quality characteristics.”
---“Natural”: Use of this label is permitted if the product contains “no artificial ingredient or added color and is only minimally processed.”
---“No Hormones”: This label applies only to beef. Since hormones are not supposed to be given to pigs or chickens, pork and poultry products cannot legally be tagged with this label without the disclaimer, “Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones.”
---“No Antibiotics”: This label can be used on beef and poultry products, provided that the producer supplies “sufficient documentation … that the animals were raised without antibiotics.”
~~~> Food Safety and Inspection Service, “Meat and Poultry Labeling Terms”, United States Department of Agriculture, Aug. 2003.
No labels address the welfare of the animals during transport on huge, often boiling hot or freezing cold trucks, or in the slaughter house. I can pretty much guarantee you, that whatever you put on your plate, (unless you went out and wrangled yourself a cow to eat from the wild...) it has been abused and mistreated throughout its life.
And robbie, I know what I am talking about. Go talk to a trusted teacher or doctor, and get information from them if you like, but I'm sure they will tell you the same. If the ACS tells you a veggie diet cuts back the risk of cancer, you can assume it's pretty much true...
And here is a reference point for you: (although i've already wrote this before...)
"Studies suggest that people who eat more vegetables and fruits, which are rich food sources of these antioxidants, have a lower risk for some types of cancer."
~http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_3_2X_Common_Questions_About_Diet_and_Cancer.asp?sitearea=PED
-The American Cancer Society ^^
And I HATE Curry..man that stuff reaks!!!! 
there is no such thing as 'curry'. There is however curry powder used in masalas and kochau.
By the way robbie vegetarians eat dairy which comes from an animal....Vegans eat no animal , Zip, nada......... 
the darn curry powder makes the curry ...lol
and not curry powder LOL I suggest you look up curry on google and see for yourself
I mean I posted a number of them that say they ARE written by experts, people with the smarts to work it out...........