Well, it will come as no surprise to you that you aren't versed in the subject lol....Vegans don't eat grapes ha ha ha only kidding alittle real vegan humour...lol Getting enough to eat is not a problem since the major bulk of my diet is fiber it keeps you full..its when you eat SAD that you are hungry all the time (I think its designed just to do that) and leads to weight issues , i never have that issue, i'm never on roller coaster diets which I beleive is very hard on the body, self esteem and any extra undeeded fat only stores toxins........You see hvn i am practical see what is so do what works...cute story though......

Seriously though... what do vegans eat?

What would one eat for breakfast?..Lunch?.. and Dinner?...

Just curious... because there is a Chiropractor here that has a toxin cleansing diet that he wants me to try.. and I have thought about it... but I have a friend who tried it.. and she had so many toxins in her system that when she did the cleansing diet.. it made her sick and even turned her tongue black.. anyone ever heard of that?

Yeah, ok. So nice of you to actually be able to talk in a thread without using an insult in some way or another. But hell, insulting and egging on is clearly the berri way.


Proctor, Robert N. (2000). The Nazi War on Cancer. Princeton University Press. pp. 135-137.


Spencer, Colin. (2004). Vegetarianism: A History. Four Walls Eight Windows. pp. 283-284.


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So, if you have a problem and you change your diet because of it, that is caring for your health.

He did however, eat meat once in a blue moon but the majority of his diet was veggie style.

Wacko monster? Sure, he was. He was also a brilliant man with a talent for thinking and a flare for words.

Still, you are ignoring the fact that the Nazi Germany idea was to max the Earth's resources, that's the same ideal as many vegaterians. Is it wrong? Probably not. It's a matter of choice.

I'm a level 5 vegan - I don't eat anything that casts a shadow. (jokes)
For the record, I was a vegan for a while a long time ago. It's hard, but you get use to it. Vegetarianism is much easier, and easier to adapt to.

That said, there are a LOT of vegan dishes that you can make that are scrum-didly-umptious. They don't rely on peanut butter sandwiches. It's all in creativity.

Interesting i don't find veganism hard at all, i found eat meat was hard, it never felt natural. and quite frankly made me ill early 30's..if you are looking for health meat wouldn't be on the menu.....
My goodness the diversity and inventiveness in a vegan diet is unbeleiveable , i never fully grasped the joy and passion of what it really means to eat until i became a vegan....all cultures come together in plants fruits and vegetables.....There is nothing that compares to the taste of a fresh orange trickling down your chin, or the springs first cherries, or all the greens hand torn or a beet pulled from the earth or the sweet taste of a carrot...how about the whole grains each bringing a different taste and crunch or the yummy ocean salt taste of dulse, or the nutty flavor of a flax seed....The SAD kills the taste buds saturates them in chemicals and sugars and fats ...no comparison i have been both....Not to mention health wise...there is no argument that exists........Too often vegetarains coin themselves this and eat french fries from wendys ice berg lettuce and twinkies chase it with juice...lol this isn't what we are talking about ...its a lifestyle a learning experience a connection to nature.....which are my roots......

See.. that is where I couldn't be vegan... maybe vegetarian .. but NOT vegan...

I don't like citrus fruits.. at all.... I don't eat melons or raisins...

I do like apples, pears and grapes... but I can't go the rest of my life eating just those things.

I really don't eat hardly any fruit.. I don't like fruit..

I do like veggies.. and most of them.. except nasty beets!! YUCK

But I love milk, and I love chicken and fish. So I guess I will stick with what works for me!

I do commend you Sherri in sticking to such a strict diet. But I was raised in the South... and we love to eat rich foods here. I couldn't nor would I want to change the way I eat. Like I have said before.. I am very healthy... so I must be doing something right!

What is used to detox???i've never heard of the tongue turning black....I think the bet detox is no extra body fat , it store toxins, it seems you put yourse;lf at risk if you carry extra weight, not saying you do just commenting in general...some cancers like fat.......Breast cancer seems IMO to be alot of times on those with weight problems, that and birth control pills and hormone replacement....sosh somany ladies and the doctors knew it was a risk....I'd say go to a nutrtionist Hvn.....i had two serious healing crisises but i was a smoker for years and very toxic (geez there is over 200 added chemicals to cigs) i got real sick but i made it through and in the prcess alot of issues i had are gone......

WOW... I am not sure what is used to detox.. I was assuming it was the change in diet... I will check and get back with you... I belive the black tongue thing is also called furred tongue.. and has something to do with the detox of the liver .. I will find out .

I have NEVER smoked.. anything... or ever tried any type of illegal drugs. And I don't fry anything ... (except stir fry veggies once in a while in olive oil).

Sherri - do you ever eat anything sweet.. like ice cream just for special occasions?... I don't eat many sweets.. but will endulge for special occasions.

I Love my health, not having it (with asthma) was no fun, i too called myself healthy....I was raised too with garbage food i never felt good ...i don't like milk never did and its unsafe to drink now, fish the levels of mercury are to high for me many are doing mercury detoxes now becasue of fish, it can lead to mental issues later on in life alzheiemers and what not........Many think with old age comes serious issues thats not so why should I give myself something i really don't want someone wiping my ass ....I don't want my kids to have to look after me, if I can control that i feel i should.....I'm nuerotic no doubt about it....i was a child that cared for a sick person its very hard on everyone..........Hvn i don't see my diet as celibacy, i see it as contributing to the whole system I'm glad to do it....i have kids i think I owe them being a steward of this planet i walk lightly on this planet...its my way of giving back....thanks for the compliment but not needed i should be doing this in my opinion its the only choice that benefits the most......Each have to do what they feel is best for them too..

NO, just fruit but no sweets whatsoever such as cakes and what not, In my world things are ingrediants and what they do or don't do for me i see food as health or not health ......first then i find delight in knowing I'm eating for health.....i actaully love to eat now i didn't when i was a carnivore......


i did smoke but i've always ate somewhat aware i cut out beef in the 80's pork in the 70's chicken yuck, eggs disgusting just the smell I did like turkey burgers on occassion...but many skin issues come form turkeys excema what not again no thanks......

as i said i'm nuerotic on this I'm often called a food cop by my friends and family......lol

skratch: "I'm a level 5 vegan - I don't eat anything that casts a shadow. (jokes)
For the record, I was a vegan for a while a long time ago. It's hard, but you get use to it. Vegetarianism is much easier, and easier to adapt to.
That said, there are a LOT of vegan dishes that you can make that are scrum-didly-umptious."

- Sweet little Simpsons reference.... both of them. Do you pocket mulch, too? Been to Burning Man?

[quote name='__Kratos__' date='May 31 2006, 12:02 PM' post='1212409']
Yeah, ok. So nice of you to actually be able to talk in a thread without using an insult in some way or another. But hell, insulting and egging on is clearly the berri way.

The Berri way. You got that right. If you are not a vegan, then you must be an idiot according to Sherri.

Craven and this would be projection or based in how well you know me??????because you are in error...lol

I'm not a vegan nor a vegetarian and Sheri doesn't think that I'm an idiot.... Perhaps it has more to do with something other than diet.
And, if you actually read what Sheri has written, she hasn't called anyone an idiot. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that every Sheri berri post in this thread argues in favor of a vegan lifestyle and against the meat/dairy industry--nothing at all about anyone personally.

from Drgreene.com (in response to a question by a parent)
A vegetarian diet can be a wonderfully healthy choice for children. Kids can get all they need to grow and thrive while honoring their concern for animals. Most kids easily get plenty of protein. As with all children, you'll want to be sure she gets enough calcium (800 mg till she reaches age 9, then 1300 mg). Also, a multivitamin with iron is a good idea (to avoid B12 deficiency), but even without that, most vegetarian kids seem to eat better than their peers. There is an explosion of recent books on the topic to help you and your daughter both to learn more about vegetarian kids My daughter made a similar choice for similar reasons. And I'm glad.



I'm sorry, but most of this thread has involved you guys trying to tell us that a vegeterian diet is bad.



I fail to see your point, Hitler was willing to kill millions to achieve his goals, most vegeterians probably don't think that way (heck there are even a few meat eaters that don't think like meglomaniacal maniacs either )

no all we siad was ther was no need to eliminate meat form the diet. i sad people can live off plants alone but its more natural to eat mixed foods

good grief! there is an old joke about if a forum topic goes on long enough it eventually reverts to hitler and/or the nazis. congradulations kratos.

mega,
take a look around www.notmilk.com for info on the reasons to not consume dairy.

robbie,
the health risks listed in this thread combined with the fact humans do NOT need meat to meet any nutritional requirement shows that if you wish to minimize your health risks, you would eliminate meat from your diet. It is a matter of choice though. Some don't worry about these issues, and thus see no "need" to eliminate meat from their diet. People are "creatures of habit", after all....

Avin excellent info on kids, thanks for posting that....As a mother of a vegan child, this is a very legitimate question and as a parent i asked the same things, in retrospect i can't beleive I would of been nuerotic about feeding my child whole and oragnic ...i too beleived a few myths..

No, you look at
www.milkrocksyoursocksandyoucan'tdenyit.com

mega,

you can not refute the scientific evidence that milk is NOT good for you.

You may like to drink it, but that is about the only "good" you are getting from it.

There are a lot of myths flying around about Vegan/Vegeterian diets, from the dangers of Soy, to vegeterian teens being more in danger of committing suicide, or vegeterians going blind .

LOL those are new myths on me ....the sad thing is people will actually believe them too, but on meat or dairy well ..... very interesting Taht would actually be a great thread huh the myths of the vegan diet...lol

Have you ever watched the movie "The Corporation"? In it they talk about how news reports on rGBH was stifled by Monsanto, the industries that have a vested interest in meat and dairy don't want the public to know all the dangers.

As for Vegan/Vegeterian myths most are distortions and half-truths, like they'll tell you that rats have bad effects to soy but neglect to tell you that rats unlike most mammals such as mice, dogs, pigs, monkeys and humans have sensitivity to dietary protease inhibitors in soy, or they'll tell you that a study showed how teens eating a vegeterian diet were more likely to commit suicide, but fail to note that those teens were in fact suffering from eating disorders and depression.

OH My Gosh i want to see that documentary it was on IFC a few weeks back I just didn't catch it .......I will definitley watch it Monsanto boy theres a heinous bunch, they are scandalous in there disregard for the human life.......

speaking of soy the a subject i know abit on the Dairy industry fought long and hard to keep soy off the shelves and from being included in the milk group in the dietary guidelines for americans...But in 2000, the dietary guidelines advisory despite being stacked with members who recieved grants from the NDP Natiional dairy promotion and research board The NDC recommended that soy beverages be included as a option in the milk group....One giant leap by humans( regular folk that fought for this ) one small step for health...We now have choice...of course the heat will be on but once you know its all BS and how to discern fact from fiction ......there are some harsh things on soy as of late lol...........Put out by the daory....What people also don't get is the politics of food...its a big arena.......Food is a commodity a big one.......

Sheri,

We talked about "The Corporation" a month or so ago. Remember my post about Monsanto? That documentary will stay with you forever. One of the best ever. As compelling as "Thin Blue Line" and "Manufacturing Consent." I use it in many of my courses. Jaw-dropping stuff.

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I don't recall details but yes.....I 'm very familiar with monsanto.....I can't beleive i haven't seen the corporation i generally keep up on all the scathing, disgusting heinous things that go on in the name of capitalism.....

There is another video can be found in Whole foods its alot about Monsanto too i can't remeber the name i'll stop by whole foods later and get it..... a must see too talks, on how Monsanto holds the patent on the cancer cell.......but its been awhile so I'd have to see it again...so don't take this verbatum.......unless of course you know of the patent......Do you have LIME (channel on cable used to be called wisdom) its all about the subjects i talk on ....planetary issues around the globe, ecological change etc...


The documentary is The future of food..Its compelling and a must see.....

Googlefight says otherwise

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=...+is+bad+for+you

that googlefight provides nothing.

what are the articles? who funded them? what are their validities?

you do know your logic fallacies, don't you?

so you like the taste of milk, and either ignore or accept the associated health risks. your choice.

As always there is choice in anything, meglo if you are kool with the risks that is your choice.....

Man.

I didn't know you people actually took googlefight jokes seriously o_o

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Anyway

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9701/09/drink.milk/index.html

Looks like they forgot to mention all of the apparent poisons =/
What a silly mistake.

</sarcasm>

Did you ever consider that it isn't in media's best interests to go against the Beef/Dairy/Poultry Industry and Lobby? Hello... loss of huge advertising dollars! Hello, conflict of interest between media ownership and agri-business ownership!

Whose information is more likely to be truth, academia's or Big Business's?

For how many decades did Dow, Dupont, and Monsanto sell products that they knew were toxic to people and the environment? And, speaking of Monsanto... how about BGH? (read below)

From:
The Center for Food Safety
660 Pennsylvania Ave, SE, #302
Washington DC 20003
P: (202)547-9359, F: (202)547-9429
office@centerforfoodsafety.org

Subject: rBGH/Hormones

Body: With little regard for the cows or the humans that eventually eat them, the beef industry pumps growth hormones into upwards of 80 percent of beef cattle raised in the U.S. each year. These hormones are intended to boost growth rates and increase body mass--think cows on steroids. Although the U.S. Department of Agriculture does not allow producers to treat chickens or pigs with hormones, the agency does permit the practice for cattle and sheep. 

In addition to hormones used to increase milk production (see rBGH), there are six hormones approved for use in beef cattle. Two of these hormones, estradiol and zeranol, are likely to have negative human health effects, including cancer and impacts on child development, when their residues are present in meat. Concerns about these potential health impacts have left many scientists doubtful of the safety of hormone use in meat production.

The negative environmental impact of hormones entering waterways from livestock feedlots also is cause for alarm. Researchers have found that fish can exhibit significant effects from this pollution, e.g., females begin to exhibit male characteristics, and vice versa, in areas of high hormone concentrations.  

The European Union has criticized the use of hormones in meat production since the 1980s due to strong concerns about their safety. The EU prohibited the use of hormones for non-therapeutic purposes in 1985, and banned the importation of U.S. beef in 1988 to avoid importing hormone-treated meat. Since then, there has been a heated dispute between the United States and the EU over the ban, and, in a 1999 ruling, the World Trade Organization (WTO) decided in favor of the US. However, in April of that year, the EU's Scientific Committee on Veterinary Measures relating to Public Health (SCVPH) released a report indicating that the use of the six growth hormones posed a risk to consumers. The EU ban remains in place.

Source: The Center for Food Safety
On the web: http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/rbgh_hormo.cfm

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And, let's not forget about the FDA and the USDA. They are wholly complicit with these evil, Big Businesses until a slew of scathing studies done by academics show the severe, detrimental effects upon the human body and mind, as well as the environment--and then, and only then, does the gov't act (or do they?).

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Well, I started a discussion about veganism and the beliefs around it at another forum, which could need more participants from either side. I'm unsure how appropriate it would be to post a link here though, so let me know if you might want to join in and I'll send you the link privately.

Shadowdrake PM me a link I'll checkit out???Are you a vegan?????

More of an omnivore, I'm afraid.

Anyway, just about everyone on the other board has similar oppinions, which hardly makes for an interesting discussion. So people with opposite oppinions would be welcome.

hi everyone. im a new alien

ive been a vegatarian since oct . 1997 . and a vegan since june 2003 . im alive and well. all this nonsense that you need meat is a just a pack of lies .

even dairy is unnesacary .

Welcome Uncle john good for you , Ditto....

I was reading a celebrity magazine at a doctor's office ... (can't remember which one.. People I think)... anywhoo...

It was talking about Drew Barrymore's weight loss and she use to be a strict vegetarian and once she started eating a little meat... she says that is what attributed to her losing all the weight.

She says she doesn't eat a lot of meat... but knows when her body needs some and only eats it in moderation... but says she feels much healthier now that she adds meat to her diet.

thank you sheri berri for the pleasent welcome . nice to meet you .

drew cant play both sides . being a member of peta and eat animals. thats being a hipacricte. i am member but un active .

my weight stays lower ( about 12-16 pounds less since dropping all animal products from my diet ) . between 170 - 180 pounds .

Who cares what a celeb thinks, she's hardly qualified.

Well avin...I couldn't of said it better myself lol

Welcome to UM.

Been dairy and meat person all my life, and still doing healthy. It's all a matter of choice.



Who cares what a guy on the internet thinks?

Nxt was just saying what someone said about their diet. No need to try to cut off her legs.

Souhaiter la bienvenue a' UM, Uncle John .....

"Who cares what a celeb thinks, she's hardly qualified."
- I do. I've learned a lot about what it's like growing up a black man in Alabama from Charles Barkley.

"Who cares what a guy on the internet thinks?"
- I do. I've learned a lot from UM members--well, certain UM members, and Kratos is among them.

Uncle John, are you of the "Jerry Me" ilk?

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Excellent point Micheal


kratos most definitlely you have the choice to eat as you choose. To be healthy at 19 is not remarkable Whats remarkable is Uncle john here sharing his journey of health as a long term Vegan/vegetarian........I'd be real interested in his views on health as he has experience....lol Not that you don't kratos but this is a not milk thread.....


No one was insulting HVN, Hvn please don't think that ,it was not directed at you.....

hi . and thanks for the welcome. you can live on a meat and dairy diet but i recomend to everyone become a veggie for moral reasons.

Moral reasons would be the last reason for me to turn vegan. Balance in everything is the way.

i can agree with you eric that morality is not a top reason to become vegan. Health is.

now as for balance, is that your way of saying "eat enough healthy stuff and i can eat some crap"? balance indeed!

No I beleive in a balanced diet that includes meat, vegtables, dairy, and fruit. I also believe you should spoil yourself with something you like a couple of times a week. Pizza, etc. Eating is a part of life to enjoy.

It was more of a cut of my own at his logic. Notice my " " at the end. Just was rude and I just happened to be around.



My taste buds have trumped my morallity.

Mine too