Hello,

I originally posted back in October regarding a potential haunting in my house... refer to http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...opic=52273&st=0 if you would like to see that previous thread.

Well, just last night there was another rather interesting event that mainly my wife experienced this time. Ok, here's what happened... she got up in the middle of the night to turn on the heat. The heat is controlled by a digital thermostat. However, it was turned off. It is turned on and off by a switch. My wife turned the heat back on... and is certain it was turned on since the baseboards were turning on and the room was getting warmer.

About an hour or so later she was hearing these strange screaching noises, that she described as almost sounding like a cat was either in the attic or in another room upstairs. They happened twice. A short time later we both got up. We had noticed that the switch to the heat was switched to off. My wife was pretty shocked since she is positive she switched it on. This switch is also hard to switch from on to off and vice versa... so it certainly didn't turn off by itself. We also don't have animals. Just 2 babies that were sound asleep... but began crying since the rooms were getting cold due to the heat being switched off.

Do the spirits prefer it colder? I just thought these events were pretty odd and unexplainable. If you checked my previous threads... there have been many other events in my house.. such as the oven light turning on by itself at night and noises around the house that at times were errie and not able to be explained as well.

Chris

Spirits don't exist. If they did....they don't 'feel'.

And how do you know they don't exist?


Remember, lack of evidence is not lack of existance.


Not saying they exist either, just stating the obvious.

im a spirit and i exist.....just kidding

In that case, let me take pictures of you so that I have proof of spirits.


Anywho, welcome to UM. I hope you enjoy it here.

hmmmm... you've got me stumped there. I did read sumware that dropping temperatures are sumtimes a sign of a 'presence' tho.

...sorry.. pressed the wrong button and lost my post ...I think... and somehow accidently duplicated the someone else's...

Put one of those small guide lights, like a nightlight, in the hall outlet where the thermostat is.

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...sorry.. pressed the wrong button and lost my post ...I think... and somehow accidently duplicated the someone else's...



the tale I was going to mention was about one of my previous residences that was soo haunted... probably by poltergeists... as toys used to go off...( giggling...dancing dolls...talking dolls.. jack in the boxes...music boxes...electric cars... barking dogs.. etc...all used to go off reularily at 2.30 in the morning... even when some one esle was house sitting.. it really scared people... sometimes the toys went off at other times too...Especially when the husband came home from overseas... one toy in particular would go off this animal ball ..had lots of dented sides that each had a different animal on it l.. it would have say "this is a cow... moo.".. another side.. "this is a pig...oink oink"... every time the husband walked in it said ...."this is a pig ..oink oink.".. whether it was sitting on the proper side or not lol... ( he was lazy ...wouldn't lift a finger for house hold chores)...he got so annoyed that he took out the batteries... ...and the toy still called him a pig.... after a while he got so spooked he threw it out...!!! this 2.30 thing intrigued me though!!! when we moved house ... the fire ..or house alarms sometimes went off 2.30 on the morning...even when all was switched off!!!....


We'd hear little feet running up and down the hall in the middle of the night. or even during the day.. when all the kids were asleep or else where... the babies' milk bottles curdled within an hour... things moved or disappeared .. or reapppeared in strange places...


Since we left the place about ten years ago... the place has been sold at least 3 times... the old neighbours who I see on accasion... said all the owners sold it because it was haunted...


It is situated on top of an old goldmining town...maybe on graves??? or something!!!

To the Poster who says Spirits don't exist and have no Feelings you could not be more wrong.
I am writing about my 20 or more years experiences as a psychic Channel in different places on Um and everything I write both good and bad are absolutely true.
I am writing to tell my first hand experiences hoping it will help others in their search for knowledge about the Paranormal.

You had a power malfunction and that caused most of the electronics to go off (Yes also by switch). It also explains the weird sounds

Lack of evidence of existance is a pretty good indicator of lack of existance. The 'spiritual' world is a 'mental' world. It exists within the dimension of our brain activity.

If 'spirits' existed there would be no need for bodies.

If "spirits" existed, its just as easy to believe they have there own world.

Lack of evidence does not mean it does not exist. Panda bears were said to be mythological until 1913 when they were documented.

No it is not. Evidence AGAINST something is.


Especially when it comes to the "spirit". If the spirit is not physical, and science studies only the physical aspect of this world, how exactly do you want scientific evidence of a spirit?

Panda bears are physical creatures. Man created 'spirits' in his own mind. In the history of mankind no one has ever documented one. A theory is a theory. It isn't a fact until it is proven to be so. Man has always been preoccupied with death. Our reasoning conditioned us to believe in an 'afterlife' primarily because we [man] couldn't cope well with the thought of our individual thought process being gone forever. Thusly, we created an 'afterlife'. It is a mental creation and there is no evidence in nature that it exists. You cannot study something 'scientifically' that doesn't exist. Suffice it to say...I don't believe spirits exist.

I believe that the consciousness is part of the spirit. If so, then OBEs and NDEs are evidence. I'd have to ask yel for the info, but I believe he said that 18% of them can actually explain things that they saw happen to their bodies, wich was later verified by doctors/paramedics/etc...

If astral projection is real, then that is evidence as well. "Astral body", may be your "Spirit" or at least close enough to call a spirit.

Very true and well said.

Yes, astral projection is real. And, yes the astral body could be perceived as a "spirit".

Some people who AP, can move objects at will (thought it is hard) So, I would assume that people who have died and not left this astral plane could be moving objects or making themselfs known to someone alive in their home or where ever.

I'm not sure why they would choose to not move to a higher level
(Maybe a refusal to belive they're not alive or rather don't know it in some way...maybe they were terrified of death before they died...probably umpteen reasons why)

That's why often you'll see people that help "spirits" move on, are actually helping them to accept the fact that they are dead and that they need to move to a higher level...

You say if Spirits existed there would be no need for bodies.

The point is one day when your earthly body dies your Spirit with all its intelligence leaves that body and your brain and body are just empty shells that are left here on Earth like a bottle that has been emptied of its contents and left to be disposed of.

I don't know how to prove this is true except to say if you want absolute proof you must learn to communicate with the after life and learn these things just as I did.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that I am in communication with the Spirits of those I knew when they walked the Earth and they are not much different personality wise in the After Life than they were when they walked the Earth.

The only way I know to prove this to anyone including Scientists is to tell them about my experiences and hope they are curious enough to keep an open mind and try to prove these things to themselves or take our word for it because its absolutely true.

You have to know too that this world was inhabited by hundreds of elemental spirit that can
do harm to human being. You ain't seen the supernatural world.

You are right and I know that first hand because while I am in communication with many good Spirits in the After Life who have given me fantastic information I am also in communication with three of my Relatives and a Man I knew who died in l985 who have been doing everything they can over these years to interferre with my work with Spirit Guides because I wouldn't agree to let them write all sorts of terrible things through me to try to discredit the good work I am trying to do.

These four set out from the beginning to feed on Human fear of the so called dead and they in the beginning terrified me and told me all sorts of things but the others in the Spirit World who wanted to write good things have kept me strong against these four.

Your analogy is flawed. Bottles have a 'physical' substance in them. The body is a 'pysical substance' which is powered by electricity. A better analogy would be car. When you turn off the ignition in your car....the motor stops running. Where does the 'life' of the car go? Does it's 'spirit' continue on? We are mechanical physical beings.



One cannot communicate with something that doesn't exist. You are communicating with other memory areas of your brain. It is literally all in your head. As is OBE etc.

Your posts are well written and intelligent but you are wrong.

You and other Skeptics could try to prove some of this yourself if you choose to and you might be surprised at what you learn.

And if not one day in the very far off future hopefully when you pass over and your spirit leaves your body and you are in the After Life looking down at Earth, your brain with all its memories and Intelligence that you had when you walked the Earth will no doubt say:
Boy was I wrong?
Now how am I ever going to get anyone to believe I am alive up here and hopefully let me go on UM with them and write and tell everyone how wrong I was.
That is some of the things that happened to some of the naysayers that are right now writing with me on this Computer through Automatic Writing from Beyond the Veil of Death.

Don't you think its interesting that a Human can sit here on the Computer and they can write through me to tell the World they are alive in the After Life and want to convince some of you about the Real Truth before you get there.

If as you say, it's all in someone's head, then how would that explain someone experiencing AP with another person? Are you saying that we share one brain, one memory then?

I’ll spell it out.
I AP, I often have with other people, either in the same area as myself or as far away as another state. We will write down our experience or speak of it. When we share what had happened, it is the exact same.

We’ve gone to or were at the same place, the same astral world or plane.

Now, I personally have not seen anyone that has died in the astral world only my living friends. However, I do believe their astral selves exist.

We are more than “mechanical” physical beings. Geez, even this has been proven in science. And, they admit that so much of our brains cannot be explained. (I use the term “brain” as they would…but, I do not believe it is the brain, it's much more than that)

I know what you mean about several people getting the same ideas although they are in different places.

Another example is two people in the same home getting different segments of a dream and when they begin to talk about the dreams and each tells their particular segment they realize their dreams fit together to make even more sense.

This has happened to my adult brother when we both lived under the same roof and after that I heard someone talking on Television about several people in the same home getting different parts of the same dream.

Now as far as I am learning from the way the spirit Works in the after life is they take all their intelligence and memories of this lifetime back to the Spirit World with them and to me this means the body including the head and the human brain is just a casing to hold the Spirit and Intelligence while they are here on earth and then this will memories about how they died and everything goes back to the after life with them.

The thing I am also learning is some people I knew when they were here on Earth had little education and couldn't write well and were very illeterate in this lifetime but in the Spirit World they seem to have better education from other lifetimes and they write flaulessly and appear to have a higher education from other Lifetimes and if this is true then it could have something to do with other lifetimes through Reincarnation.

I feel if I could explain the things I am learning about these Spirits that it could be very helpful to Research and the Human Brain and the Intelligence part of the Brain that goes back to the Spirit World when this Earthly Body dies.

But proving that I know these things is another matter.

But as we know other psychics do know some of these things and they talk about it but again its difficult to get others to believe.

As we know when people who are getting older suffer strokes and Alzheimers Disease and things they become very disfunctional but once they die and their Spirit Leaves the body they suddenly have the minds that they had before the Diseases took over.

Somehow this all seems very Important to Research.

Haven't you stated before that you where a born again Christian? I would least expect someone of that religious stature to come on here and tell other people that spirits don't exist nor is there an afterlife, of course I could be mistaken.

Well, what about energy? I have had a few atheists here tell me that "energy cannot be created, nor destroyed" such a line is nothing but pure hot air and a total waste of bunk.

This "potential energy" can channel through many different things in a never ending cycle, but if this energy keeps going and never has a beginning to it, what do you call the sprout of human life? What do atheists consider to be energy? Are atheists retarded and decide to believe nothing is there because they never think about the possibility, or they stop where they are going when they find immediate proof (which isn't really proof) of "energy cannot be created" how daft can a person get?

What do you call energy? Energy can be created, but it cannot be destroyed, that is the correct analogy, and if any atheists want to find it for themselves, take a while to think about it.

Have you ever heard of the "butterfly effect"? Well, it talks about the slightest living organisms that set off an endless cycle of energy, for instance this theory takes into a single butterfly, when it flaps those wings (although insignifigant to you and I) it gives off collective energy, that static and all those electrical cells begin to build up, and attract more, the simple rule of a magnet you see, the "energy" then comes back a month later to the same exact spot the butterfly had started the cycle, and for example the energy is so strong, and so built up within itself, we can imagine it in the form of a tornado, for instance.

On a final note, energy never stops, but it has to be created, everything has a beginning, there's no "potential energy" about it, it can convert from negative to postitive, posititive to negative, it's as simple as that.

Prove that it's all in her head. Oh wait, you can't! You're believing something that hasn't been proved! Now you're the believer. Untill you prove it's all in her head, I'm sorry, but no one should accept your theory.


Read these:
http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html

and

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence02.html

Your turn. Supply me with evidence it's all in her head.

is there anyway your wife could have accidently bumped the switch back to off? if not i have no idea what to tell ya other then anything is possible. Hope your heat stays on.

~i believe in "spirits" and until i am proven wrong i always will. it's kind of hard not to believe in something that is in your face on an almost daily basis.~

I agree with the power surge theory. in some cases it may cause the switch to reset itself. And its not that ghosts prefer the cold. It's that their energy signatures drain other sources of energy, including heat.