"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Revelation 13:16-18
now everyone knows that 666 is the sign of the devil. 666 symbolizes the mark of tehe devil and everything evil. well 66 is mentioned in the bible as horrid beast. Maybe on June, 6,2006/(6/6/06)(or 666) something will hapen. Who knows 666, could be hte worst day in histoy or maybe it will be like any other day. On 666 i have made a bet on that my friend will either die, or break a lot of his bones. Who knows anything could happen, after all it is 6/6/6

I thought the real number was 616. According to History channel, it was a Jewish code for a Roman Emperor. Forgot which one.

it was nero if i remember right.

you know what's crazy? My b-day is on June 6th!! LOL, hope nothing bad happens on my b-day

nero is my name in one online game, and i have a scar on my right hand, what am i to do??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

besides you have a hot girl on your avatar, so nothing will happen to you.

I'm telling you it's led zepplin, his song tells all!

lol, tis true. btw, that hot girl happens to be Pamela Anderson

She's minging.
I'm not too sure about 6/6/6 but I think something will happen eventually in 2006. I read that there's more clues to something happening in 6/6/6. Something like it beeing 111 days, 222 days, 333 days, 444 days and 555 days from recent major events. Haven't confirmed it myself yet though.

My stepson has a youth offenders meeting on 6th June - maybe he'll get arrested again

I have nothing planned. Maybe I'll go play pool in the pub across the road.

i was thinking of going on a murderous rampage and killing six hundred and sixty...five people. eh call me lazy but what can ya do?

Bad news Buddy

Satanists, apocalypse watchers and heavy metal guitarists may have to adjust their demonic numerology after a recently deciphered ancient biblical text revealed that 666 is not the fabled Number of the Beast after all.

A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, dating to the Third century, gives the more mundane 616 as the mark of the Antichrist.

Source

Odinson is right the number of the beast is "616".

After I'm done exterminating 66.6% of the human population, I'll sit down and drink a beer. MMMM beer.

seriously though, I read about this last year some time. A new movie called "The Beast" is scheduled to come out on 6/06/06. Here's the website where you can watch the trailer. Enjoy, and I'll see you all in hell... from heaven of course Just kidding... I love you guys

http://www.thebeastmovie.com/

616? thats insane, never would have thought. all these years slipknot had it wrong.
interesting article too.

awww, and i didn't even know you cared!
seriously though....666, is just a nifty bunch of numbers, thats fun to say...on the date of 6/6/06, absolutely nothing will happen, because that is just another day. i have reached my doomsday saturation point thank you very much. besides, i can't die anyway.

yep-616 is the new number--lol

"you have just dialed 666SATIN--you need to dial area code+the new number 616-devil---have a nice day"-lol

Red is the new pink!
Black is the new red!
616 is the new 666!

I always thought that the number 7 symbolized perfection/completion, and therefore the number 6 falls short of perfection, and since God is perfect, and Lucifer wanted to be like God, that the number 6 has evil connotations to it making 666 the number of the beast. I don't remember where I heard that though.

I for one don't think anything will happen on June 6, 2006. In light of new research, June 1, 2006 maybe... assuming you go month/day/year, and it must be because nothing happened on the sixth of January 2006. On the other hand, seeing as how Revelation was written long before the Gregorian calander was established, who knows? For all I know, the real 6/6/06 could come a week from Tuesday! Run and hide! j/k

Damn, 666 is upon us ... just like 888. Who is playing the piano? You know, a perfect fourth and a perfect fifth, the numbers of 666 and 888. Magic Square of the Sun. String ratios. It all goes back to the sacred geometry geo-metria or gematria of the Pythagoreans.

See Nichomachus of Geraza. Or the Mystery of the Seven Vowels in Theory and Practice by Godwin. Or Jesus Christ, Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism by David Fideler. Or Apocalypse Unsealed by James M. Pryse.

Why are the masses living in ignorance then. Are you sure history is not being rewritten for the benifit of a few over the community?

The masses are living in ignorance in order to preserve the jobs of the clergy.

What information is refered to in this conversation? The Bible? The longest fictional book ever written to justify real events. Like every holy text, it was written to explain unexplainable happenings. Might there be a possibility that 666 is just a number that was used in the bible to illustrate a hallucination?

That's what you think. I don't think the Vatican has the power you want to believe. Who has control over the mainstream media, which manipulate's public opinion. Maybe the Vatican controls it, but from my research it seems to be England/Britain, and the royal family (from behind the scenes)

Do you know about Bilderberg? Does the Vatican have a representive. I know the Rothchild, Rockefellors, and other big bankers have there reps, also the heads of major newspapers and news medias are present, and so are the kings and queens from the European aristocracy. All of them practice the occult and believe in the Illuminati, and also practice the mystery religions along with a lot of freemasons.

The occult is in charge. Can you name a leader who is only a Christian or Jew? Even Pat Robertson is a Freemason.

The Illuminati are the ones behind the violence and hatred, not the Vatican. Although the vatican has since been infiltrated by the mysteries. I'm starting to think you are a disinfo agent, here to protect your interests. That or your just a victim of your own propaganda. Just my opinion of course.

The masses are continually dumbed down, not because the Vatican controls us but the Occult followers.

I don't mean to be mean, but after everything I've posted with regard to the Illuminati and Freemasonry, it's always kind of striking how you can still be so completely off-base. It's as if literally nothing I've said entered your brain. You still can't tell the difference between the Illuminati and the Freemasonry --- in your head they're all just one jumbled "conspiracy." Then you repeat the same old tired, oh so tired, "Bilderberger" bullscheisse along with the tired, oh-so-tired "International Banking" slur that Hitler used to justify the Holocaust.

Pat Robertson a Freemason? Are you loopy? He wrote the dopiest book in history about the NWO. I don't see how any lodge in their right mind would not have black cubed his application back to BibletopiaLand. That sounds harsh but, come on people!

And here's the kicker: "The Illuminati are the ones behind the violence." What, are you on drugs? I mean, it takes effort to be so screwed up in your thinking! Jeezus, people! This will sound bad, but not even a French whore has been worked over as much as your mind has been worked over by the "evangelical" lunatic fringe! Sadly. Come back to reality. Fight the paranoid Schizophrenia. You can do it! You're better than that!

---R

Will it be June 1, 2006 (616)
June 6, 2006 (666)
or June 16, 2006 (616...6)

That would make a good game show...ok jerry at what time will we all die? well i think im gonna have to go for ummmmm ahhhhhhhhh number 1 a metorite

None of the above. The Illuminati marks time from the reign of Amenhotep IV, not Jesus.

Besides, the Book of Revelation isn't any cryptic history of the future, it is a veiled illustration of the original mystery school that comprised early Christianity.

"Here is wisdom (Nous) ..." The Greek philosophers recognized an "Upper Mind (Nous) and a Lower Mind (the Phrenic Mind). In gematria "he phren" (Lower mind) equals 666. The phrenic mind reasons only from sensual knowledge and is unaware of gnosis, or direct perception of the higher worlds. This is connected with Cetus, the Sea-Beast. The lower phrenic mind causes man to worship anthropomorphic images of the deity and to live a reactive/emotive existence in conjunction with the Red Dragon, the epithumia (555). The Red Dragon (Draco) is ruled by Mars, the Bringer of War. That is because our emotional nature (epithumia) is largely the cause of wars, especially when linked to the fanatical idealism based upon faulty reasoning and emotional irrationality. One must awaken the higher centers that enable gnosis associated with the Christos or Soul. Iesous (Jesus) = 888. When this center is awakened upon the cross (Stauros = 777) inside one's skull (Golgotha), then one becomes an epistemon (999) or One Who Knows. Therefore he becomes a "conqueror" (ho nikkon = 1000) and experiences the enthronement and the crowning, and is given a white stone with a new name upon it, even as the epoptai of the Eleusian and Cabiric mysteries experienced similar things in their rites.

(See James Morgan Pryse's "Apocalypse Unsealed" www.healthresearchbooks.com)

Sorry Rosencruez, I still think you are a disinfo agent. My family owned Standard Oil. We were the Robber Barons. You are a victim of History rewritten by the establishment, the same establishment who follows the Illuminati. Probably a different Illuminati you are not aware of. After years of documenting government corruption, and then you coming in here verifying everything I've researched and saying, no you don't understand, we are the good guys. I'm not buying it.

That said, I'm still trying to keep an open mind about you, and do think you are smart. So I'm waiting for you to prove to me that I am wrong. So far things you offer, I have two to counter it with. One of us has blinders on, maybe it's me, maybe it's you. Life is a learning experience, so continue on...

what do the higher degrees know that the lower degrees don't. I mean the 33rd degree versus the 3rd degree?

Please stop using the term "Occult" however. That is a term which essentially describes every possible practice system not in line with popular accepted faiths (Abrahamic, Buddhism, Hinduism) that you are basically classifying all nature-loving hippies as well as African shamans into the picture as well.

[Listening to Bob Dylan Live 1964, Bootleg Series No. 6, "It's alright ma (I'm only bleeding)" as I type this. Highly recommended!]

Well first realize that Freemasonry is not the Illuminati, nor are they the Rosicrucians, despite all their interconnections throughout history. There are very very very very few Masons these days who understand the "occult" or the esoteric side of things. I was lucky to know one from the Scottish Rite. The late Bro. Bill Sweikert, for what it's worth. Nice guy. One of the few who was awakened. Henry Clausen the former leader in the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, was driven out because he understood the esoteric side of things.

So, the irony is that there are a lot of 33rd Degree Masons who don't really know a damn thing about Masonry. Oh sure, they know little memorizations that were required to "go through the chairs," as it were. But, they're not really of the caliber of, say, A.E. Waite or someone like that. Most of the esoteric thinkers in Masonic history were Rosicrucians.

Technically, by the way, the 3rd Degree of Freemasonry is the highest degree there is. The Scottish Rite is an apendant body, along with the York Rite and the Memphis Rite. There are more esoteric versions of Masonry, say, the Rectified Scottish Rite or the Rite of Memphis and Mizraim, and formerly the Strict Templar Observance. At one time there was the Knights of the Elus Cohens, which were workers of ceremonial magick. It must be remembered, however, that these were never "mainstream" Masonic bodies and I don't know off-hand if they were ever accepted by Grand Orient (the main lodge in France).

That's just a brief answer.

Pax deorum,
---Rosencruez

666 is the devil and he aint nothing but...well i cant really say what i want to
but he got beat once and he'll get beat again

FYI: you can search the entire globe for the rest of your life for a preacher who really understands the book of Revelation and you'll likely not find one. They weren't meant to understand it, frankly, because it wasn't written for them.

FYI i obviously think different

Only half right, I believe. Some manuscripts say 666, some say 616. Who knows. Someone said the earliest script says 616. Perhaps. Does it really matter what the exact number is people? Revelation is apocryphal. It's meaning is contentious at the best of times. Yes, the whole contemporary Nero/political work is one such suggestion, one taken up whole-heartedly by the Jews. But not the only interpretation of the work available.

So.......... who knows. Personally, I don't think anything will happen on 6/6/6 (nothing more than usually happens in a day - unless a group of radical fundamentalists decide to MAKE something happen ).

Regards, PA

btw,If we're being totally literal - occult simply means "hidden" or "secret".

PA did you say there was a contradicion in the Bible? I believe you did!


Correct

Definition for "occult"

PA you just made my day!

Not a contradiction. Translational/clerical error. As with all ancient manuscripts. No manuscript is absolutely perfect. But the difference is so minor as makes no difference, wouldn't you agree? WHo cares if the number is 666 or 616 or 23.5 squared. The point of the passage is still the same, is it not? It's not a mathematical equation where getting one number wrong will stuff up the rest end answer.

Anytime mate

Regards, PA

One verse says one thing and a different verse says something else is not a contradiction?


That is something else that I and others here have been trying to say for quite a while now.


It's your STORY...I guess you can tell it any way you want.


Yes! One passage says one thing and another says different

^^
Let's not hijack this thread zandore. You know what I mean. I see your point, I just don't think the difference is worth arguing over. Since no one knows the meaning of 666 (or 616), I do not think it matters.

Regards, PA

We sort of was


About hijacking this thread....yes


Why do you say this? You are the one that pointed the "discrepancy in the Bible" out.


You are right there on both counts.

I have been away for a while and have had lots of interesting photos to share with everybody. Relating to the number-I am not looking forward to the 6 June of this year.

I don't know why, but the date is unbearably uncomfortable for me and it is four days before my daughters wedding.

I will just have faith that I will get through it; but I can't stand my unrational behaviour towards the date.

Rest assured Rachel it is just numbers....nothing more nothing less.

Enjoy the day and make it a memory to last for all.

Congratulations on the day!

I hope you know that the date 6-6-6 and the date 6-1-6 already passed

Why do I say this? Because both cannot be right. One is right, one is wrong. Or to push the levels of possibility - maybe there's a third number that has been lost to the antiquities of time that's the real answer. But which is which - I don't know. Is it 666 or 616 - I don't know! And since we both agree that we don't know what the number's mean, I think it's irrelevant. One is right, one is wrong. It's a clerical error, one we will probably never know the real answer to.

And as I said - does it matter? Is it worth arguing over?

Regards, PA

Nostradamus predicted armegeddon to come on either june 06, or july 07. i can't remmeber the exact date.

My take on the 666 or 616 is more symbolism.
I see it as money on your head and your hands soaked in money. So pretty much weve been raised with the mark of beast.

PA.....isn't that what I have been saying right along?


We have not touched on the "errors in the Bible" subject yet.....do you want to start now?

Again, you can ramble on with your delusional stuff for the rest of your lives ... and you will ... or you can learn that the truth is something entirely different than what you've been told all your life.

A review of the book you linked to Rosen: Click Here

At any rate, the point of this thread is irrelevant because the Illuminati does not mark time from the date of Christ's alleged birth. See, for example, this recent message:

Under the Auspices of the
Rose-Croix, Salutem Punctis Trianguli!


Greetings from the Grand Master and the Grand Lodge Board of Directors on
this Rosicrucian New Year 3359! Perhaps you have wondered why Rosicrucian
New Year differs from the universal New Year? For instance, whereas the
universal New Year is 2006, and this annual event begins on January 1 each
year, the Rosicrucian New Year reads 3359 and begins on the Spring Equinox
in March of each year.
The answers are found in the cycles of nature and the Rosicrucian
Order's long history.
First, how do we arrive at the year 3359? Actually, the Rosicrucian New
Year tradition is a very ancient one. Our tradition records that it was in
the year 1353 B.C., during the reign of the great pharaoh Akhnaton, that the
first official ceremony of our Order was held. Therefore, the Rosicrucian
year is calculated by adding 1353 to the current year of the Common Era. So,
2006 + 1353 = 3359.
Secondly, why does Rosicrucian New Year fall on the Spring Equinox? The
Spring Equinox (as reckoned at Greenwich, England) falls on either March 19,
20, or 21 in any given year. This year the Spring Equinox occurs on March
20th at 10:26 a.m. Pacific Standard Time, when the Sun enters the zodiacal
sign of Aries. This is the first day of spring, the blossoming forth of
renewed life in the Northern Hemisphere. In the words of past Rosicrucian
Imperator H. Spencer Lewis, in "March . . . we will celebrate the birth of
the Rosicrucian year. The time is figured from the year when the Order, or
its first plans and method of operation, were established by a proclamation
issued in the secret temple of Egypt. It is a most logical time for the
birth of the year and all through the Orient we find races and tribes, sects
and groups of people celebrating the birth of a new year on the day of the
Spring Equinox. Actually it is the beginning of the Sun's new journey
through the twelve signs of the
Zodiac. It is the beginning of spring, the rebirth of life after the
winter, and the coming into life again of all that has been asleep through
the months of late fall and winter. There is no logical reason for January
first-the early part of winter-being looked upon as the beginning of a new
year. It is one of humanity's institutions without foundation in Nature."
The Rosicrucian Order dedicates this day in honor of the ancient
celebration of the transition of seasons and birth of a new year, as this is
the time when a new cycle begins and all Nature bursts forth in fresh
expressions of life following winter's rest. In recognition of the New Year,
this glorious event is celebrated with the traditional New Year Ceremony and
Feast conducted in all Rosicrucian affiliated bodies throughout the
jurisdiction as close as possible to March 20. At the beginning of this new
cycle, we, as Rosicrucians, reflect on the ideals that have kept our Order
alive and distinctive for centuries, and we plan for the future of our Order
and our world. Let us lift up our consciousness to a higher vibration and thus
participate
in the building of a better world for all humanity.

So Mote It Be!

That's actually a pretty good review of JMP's Apocalypse Unsealed. I will add that what Pryse writes about isn't completely "theory," but in fact forms a very powerful experience. I know this because I have indeed experienced the Apocalypse ... though I must confess that it was through Kali ... who has always been something of a vicious biyatch.

Cro maat,
Rosencruez

is 666 the devil's number or is it the mark of the beast
give your oppinion

there was already a topic on this....and you should know if you have it in your user name