Another one of your petty insults, eh?
Again, go look up how many kids achieve much more before they go to college than you could ever do in multiple lifetimes.

Here's a start www.siemens-foundation.org


Do you really think that will help. It has no chance against tested and supported medicine.


Another PETA Activist? The more, the merrier.
Refer to the site above for you're comment. I ebt you don't even know what those words mean.


Really? Should a highly esteemed medical family trust an ignorant person with no medicinal knowledge whatsoever? Do you really think naturals will cure Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, etc? It won't. So when you contract these diseases at the age of 65, don't go to a doctor. You don't trust their medicine, you should suffer without it.


What do you know, I do too.

Try the American Medical Association site.

Frog there are no cures for your mentioned diseases and very little funding to find them, many people fair far better with natural methods then with pharmicuticals, Why don't you put your efforts into actually learning something few of us are 15 and easily duped or impressed with western "medicine" The hard truth is prevention eating healthy, excercise, fresh air sunshine fresh water will do far more for you than modern medicine, it is a pill factory young man, the average westerner doesn't want to do the things it should to maintain good health and for being from a medical family you are advocating the unethical treatment of the human body, you would be suited for politics not the care and welfare of humans.......

That shows how much you know....The cures for these diseases lie just around the corner...we spend millions on funding the research. For one instance, stem cell therapy can cure anemia and Parkinson's.


No, few are not 15 and are ignorant of the miracles in modern medicine.

If you call squeezing papaya juice over yourself to cure sleeping sickness like natives do "medicine", Then you are fighing a lost arguement.


So for researching ways to save other lives is bad? Why don't you stick to your 'housewife' ways. Doctors have more important stuff to do than listen to the ranting of a naive housewife.

What are you going to do next? People for the Ethical Treatment of Humans...PETH?

You do not know anything about medicine. It can be clearly seen. You want to kill people, not save them. People would be much, MUCH better in the care of a doctor than yours. You would rather let them die from a disease than even take them to the doctor.

In your opinion. Severe illness as such cannot be prevented by a healthy lifestyle. It only takes one person to contaminate someone with Tuburculosis or Polio as an example and then the disease spreads. Such cannot be fully treated and prevented without proper pharamcutical drugs. The only reason over here in the UK that Polio for example is literally unheard of is due to immunisations and containing the risk. Of course prevention by leading a healthy lifestyle one would like to believe that it is a way of increasing ones chances of not contracting a serious illness, however that is quite a risk. If you are going to contract something due to a person carrying a disease around your fresh water and fresh air in la la land is not going to help you.

Try getting those stuff in rural India....No chance of clean water.

your two points? you made NO points, there are very few teenagers who have accpomplished anything and im sure you are not on of those few... the onlything teenagers have is a BIG attitude with little intelligence to match it

man you are quite a dimwitted kid. i reread your post mentioning the fact that teens accomplish more that adults and i laughed out loud. lets see... who are the greatest people of all time in areas of science, religion, music, sports, war, etc.. no one under their 20's. oh yes you are definitley correct... not. and by saying that these people will accomplish nothing in multiple lifetimess just shows how insane you really are, and how little you do know. who cares if your dad has funding, that means absolutley nothing. ill bet you he doesnt find anything and becomes one of those people you mentioned who accomplishes nothing in their lifetime... and i am quite positive that i am much more educated than yourself.

lol frog look at that, many DOCTORS say they arent either. but im sure they have done no research and you (the amazing teenager) know far more then he will in multiple lifetimes

Lottie i see it as fear propaganda to justify poisioning and maiming our children... Antibiotics don't treat a virus, they run their course, do you remember how Turberculosis was treated???? Sanitarium until the disease ran its course, they kept you away from the population, due to contagion..I know because my grandfather had it. There is more than one school of thought on polio....anyhoo you should live your life as you see fit our choices are our rresponsibilitys i have no problem with mine...

Medicine save lives, YOU kill them.


Yes they do


And MANY MORE doctors say they are vital...


The worlds greates scientists now are in their 30's and 20's...

I said teens accomplish more Than YOU could ever do.

Again refer to my link.


I highly doubt it


He has already found progressive cancer genes on p14 and has recieved many awards...Including some from Stanford.

What have you done? Flip burgers at a local BK?


I thought you were just ignorant, but now you can't read?


Wrong again, see my link.


Sorry, but you are wrong. I am deeply involved in research on HP genes in Prostate cancer and myelinopathies (sorry that you can't understand this) and will be entering the Westinghouse Competition during Senior Year.

Again what have you done? Learn the art of "May I take your order"?



Good way describe yourself

Frog clearly there is split camps on vaccinations, you are entitled to yours...

If you want too contribute your disagreements that is welcomed but can't you do it with out insulting????


Frog medicine prolongs lives with medication, because most people won't to do much in the way of caring for themselves, there are lots of people such as that. I'm familiar with the medical profession... I agree there are many cases of those that are saved, The cure for cancer is always around the corner, along with so many other things that to date there are no cures, I am aware the funding isn't available, In California we didn't get the amount of funding for stem cell research we had originally thought... Your experince on anything gives you a pretty good idea on the effectiveness of something we all do our best and not all one way is the whole answer either..........

Sherri,

The only time that our children would be poisoned or maimed within this subject would be if they caught a disease due to not having appropriate vaccinations where it could have been prevented. That is where I would see no the justice in that. We are very lucky to be in a world where vaccinating against serious life threatening diseases prevent many of these diseases spreading.



You are right antibiotics don't treat viruses but this is because antibiotics work against Bacterial infections and not viral ones.



Yes I am well aware. My Mother as a child nearly died from TB. There is no way I would take the risk and not protect against such. Again because we protect against such things we reduce the risk tenfold.



Polio is a highly contagious viral infection which causes paralysis to the brain stem and spinal cord and effects more predominantly children under the age of 3. I cannot see what other preventative there could be accept to vaccinate. Otherwise one increases the chances of such a debilitating infection spreading and becoming uncontrolable.
Again we are very lucky to be within a society where the risks of contracting such are drastically reduced but this is only because of vaccinations.

Anyway these are just my opinions and you are right we make our own choices and decisions in this life. They are our responibility and we ultimately have to live with them.

That's because of our not-so-smart president. He outlawed funding for stem cell research and the usage of embryos after 2001. Funding is widely available, especially at renowned colleges like UofM, Stanford, Harvard, and Yale. Even Medical Associations and Hospitals fund research. The Pfizer corporation here funds A LOT of research. Visteon, an automotive parts company also funds research.

Well it seems we actually agree on something, well we are in adilema until at which time what we put into our bodys (becasue no cures are available as of now is our responsibility wouldn't you agree?????

Yes, Stem cells are our only hope for cures to degenerative disorders right now...I hope the next president will be a little smarter and realize their potential to save millions of lives.

I do too on the president but and that is where my optimism fails i don't have much hope there...I wish your Dad the best Frog and its noble to want to do something especially when the odds are against him......The passion and tenacity you put into standing for your beleifs is a good quality to have don't lose that great talking with you i have learned much.......

Same...I apologize for any rude comments.

don't apologize it was a joy to talk with you you beleive in something and i see that being a good thing and you aren't afraid to stand for it no matter what anytime frog anytime.....

You can see I'm a spirited Debater...I love Debate...especially Model United Nations.

He and his colleagues have already made great strides in genomic research.

Why don't you start a thread on it sounds very interesting....

I thought my childs chest infection was viral...but turns out it was bacterial...she was put on some antibiotics..its taken over 11 days and she still hasnt gotten better..a lil bit but not much...now I am worried

frog, do you have anything to say?

That's where you are wrong, buddy...This is much more important research than physics. I know a great deal of things that you don't either


My dad is a highly acclaimed Cardiologist and genecist at UofM. I am on my way to that and greater.


Looks like you don't know what awards are...they are presented for excellence in research...Unlike you


You fail to miss my point that scientists are getting younger...Also, look at the website I posted earlier, and how their research can greatly affect the world only at age 18.


In physics maybe, not in Medicine.

you entertain me greatly, do you not realize that you are a child and i am an adult? and the fact that you say physics is not as important as medicine is almost blashphemous! Do you even know a thing about physics? without physics you couldnt do anything in medicine! but without medicine we could still study physics. i have also recieved many awards for my findings, but they mean little to me. there is always more to be done and it is foolish of you to spend your time bragging about awards when there are diseases killing millions of people a year. And oh wow University of Michigan! to tell the truth i think little of that school, i might even be able to be a genecist if i tought in Michigan! And what do you mean in physics maybe? perhaps you should have said physics definitley, medicine maybe.

And do you realize how little that matters?


And the fact that medicine saves lives while physics does not speaks volumes itself.


And my Dad and his colleagues are finding ways to solve them


That shows your intelligence, it is the second best Med School behind Harvard...The college you work at must of been low on proffessors to hire such a dimwitted one as you...


Ha, lets see...You know Physics, I know Medicine....You know squat about medicine, I know some astrophysics...a hobby of mine.

So my previous statement stands.

i like how you avoided my key point... reread my post, and you should think about what i am about to say. U of M is not even in the top 120 colleges. The university i teach at is number 17. i think that shows something, and i do know enough about medicine to satisfy my own needs for it. Age does matter, i have lived life you have not, thats all there is to it

That really shows your knowledge about colleges...I doubt you are even a professor. UofM is the second best Med School behind Harvard, and possibly the best research facility. You don't know anything do you?


You have already lived? Since I have not yet, I will accomplish more than you ever will.

wow it took you that long to write that? first i am talking about overall school, michigan is not listed in the top 120, thats not good. And yes i have lived life, but i am not dead yet. you need to shrink your head a little bit, a little modesty (of which you have none) goes a long way at the universities. from what i can tell you will get no funding with your terrible attitude. you arent going to accomplish anything world changing for a long time (if ever at all, which i dont think you will), you are just a kid and think you know a lot more than you do. How dare you speak to someone like you do? IF you ever accomplish anything at all, anything, you will have no friends to share it with

PS, you still ignored my key comment about the importance of physics

Well, I'm talking about med School...it is #2


Coming from you? Ha!


Jealousy is dangerous, Rambo.

you are pathetic! why on Earth would i be jealous of you? you have done NOTHING, NOTHING! What do you not understand? You truly arent going to accomplish anything if this attitude keeps up, and i do not have modesty problems like you do. i actually have accomplishments to brag about although i choose not to. you have nothing but your pitiful father and your nonexistent future to dream about. You are truly the ignorant fool i thought you were

are you so sure?


Your posts say otherwise.


And he helped out the world more than you did...You still won't concede? Why does my future concern you, unless you are worried about me eclipsing you.




Likewise

yes i am sure you have done nothing. i am "worried" about your future because you seem to have some potential but your attitude sucks and you will never do anything. you also have no chance of eclipsing me since we are in different areas. you are also too young to know what you are going to be when you grow up. Saying likewise is truly a childish thing to say when you are the one boasting about your zero accomplishments while i am just telling you that you are wrong. Have i ever boasted about anything ive done? No

Then you're wrong buddy...


Wrong again...I also do know what I want to pursue in college...Medicine...Neurology.



No, but your attitude is the same as mine

first of all, you are calling my attitude a great one if you defend yours with such unneeded passion. But you have done nothing of any value. im sure you have done something, perhaps achieve an "A" in english or something of that nature. but you have done nothing in the educated community

Frog I hope you would choose an Ivy league Uof M, doesn't jump out but don't really know UCLA, Stanford, USC, Long beach State, We have some really great schools for medicine on the west coast. My family resides in Mich, sister in Sterling hgts, Folks in Charlevoix.... Rambo where do you teach????UCLA biggie on medicine (4.2 to get in though) A girl i work with is attending she to is going into medicine , research....(17 years old)

I hate to butt in here but I'm going to anyway.
1st, Rambo you are incorrect in your assessment of the Uof M. According to the US News it ranks 25th in the country. I have a high reguard for the Uof M and if you are that much of an adult you should realize the major contributions to the world that the university has been known for and give it a little more respect. Another thing you are argueing with a child, for crying out loud. I've encountered you on another forum at UM and I must say you really should have that attitude thing looked at or it could affect your health. You wouldn't want to end up in the Uof M hospital now would you?

2nd Frogfishy, honey you are but a mere tadpole. Imagine what you could and will learn if you would learn to listen as well as you talk. I was exactly like you when I was your age. I knew everything and I was very vocal about it too. As I got older I found I knew more when I listened and looked over all of the facts not just my own opinions. From the looks of it you and rambo are just alike in many ways. You're both a couple of crab apples

I think less of the ageism and condescending attitudes should be applied now. This is a good thread keep it that way.

Wow, I'm late to this thread. Anyways, I'm vaccinated against the standard battery of things, and haven't had any problems.

But the reason I wanted to post is this: Not all vaccines are evil. Sometimes they're a neccessary evil. Consider smallpox; Eradicated globally because of vaccines. Yes, there were side effects to those vaccines, sometimes they were even fatal. But the fact is, because those few people died (Odds of smallpox were so great, they most likely would have anyways if they hadn't got the vaccine), the world is now entirely free from variola major and minor (smallpox).

Now, of course we're not fighting anything as terrible as smallpox these days, but my point is that vaccines, while dangerous, also have a very useful side and shouldn't just be condemned from the get-go. It's taking a calculated (often small) risk to potentially avoid a larger risk later on.

Provided the anti-vaccine movement doesn't grow considerably, I think that within the next century or so, even chickenpox may be eliminated from North America, or will at least be very rare.

That is the arguement for vaccinating for things that are no longer in existance ,(remeber there has to be a host and carrier) Edward jenner was inspired to mess around with cow pox after he saw that a milkmaid had contracted the disease and was immune from it (her own immune system was able to defend against it...The risks aren't small , there is no research done on vaccinations and the last reported case of polio was in 1999 due to the vaccination. Also there is no system in place to report adverse effects of vaccinations, there are no laws in place for that. cllearly they are dangerous you are required to sign a waiver before every shot.....There were 4.5 million children learning disabled in 1998, the current number is 8.5 million it is thought to be vaccine related....I had the chicken pox also mumps and measles I now have life long immunity and so do my children becasue I breast fed everything i have an immunity for my kids do..In theory the cocept is interesting and possibly useful until you start looking into it and realize that its a very dangerous practice..Truthfully i felt it made sense until my son had a reation and almost died and was on phenobarbitol for a yera to contro seizures and has live long lerning disabilitys, my story isn't unique...I don't share the logic in using children as guinea pigs...But each person has to decide for themselves....

Depends on what scholarship I get...getting a full ride to UofM is hard to beat.


I think the top two Med schools on the West Coast are Stanford and Loma Linda.






Don't judge a book by its cover

just so everyone knows, frog starting this whole argument, i am just telling him to listen before he speaks. And frog, what have you done then?

Research on carcinogenisis gene Hp1 for prostate cancer, and indepth research in myelinopathies.

First thats BS. I have read on many topics in my field of study and researched them but that is not doing anything. You have not yet done anything, admit it

Can you really say that without knowing what I do?


I have done research on these subjects, and I am in the process of publication of a paper in 2009 in the Westinghouse Competition.
I have done something...possibly it could save lives with further involvement.

Frog what is the westinghouse competition, and if you win what do you recieve?????

Frog Rambo has a no B>S. no filter content approach, but he is a good person and very educated, i have a great respect for him and he has never not answered anything I have asked in regards to Physics, you would actually like him if you gave him a chance, and you could learn from each other....Lottie likes this thread so lets not get it closed down

Westinghouse Competition

www.siemens-foundation.org

National Winner gets a $100,000 scholarship, but normally they don't use it as they get full rides for it

I'm also entering the Intel Science Competiton...

Very interesting Frog and what will you be competing about?????Why do you compete???