I'll be competing and entering my genetics research. I want to compete because it is a very good opportunity for learning, working in a lab, research, and can give you VERY GOOD REPS for college.

I have had 3 children who have been vaccinated and they had NO reactions to the shots. I was in the Army and had a zillion vaccinations- no reactions! If you really love your child, you would have them vaccinated! I'd rather have a mentally challenged child than a child dead from whooping cough or measels- yes people STILL die from these diseases! Better safe than sorry. Let your unimmunized child go to school and catch some illness and die just because your afraid that the government has some stupid conspiracy going on with the drug companies!!! Meanwhile, i'll have peace of mind that my children will not perish from some illness that could have been prevented!!!

And yet with all of these vaccinations they still get these diseases. How do you explain that? Someone would have to be pretty naive to trust todays drug companies. They are in it mostly for the money otherwise they wouldn't put out inferior drugs and then years later after they've made all of their money they tell us, "Oops we're sorry we found out it has deadly side effects". Don't let yourself be fooled by drug companies because you could be putting yourself and your child at unnecessary risk.

Shadow I can tel you haven't read up on the measels i had the measels, its not deadly actually alot of the things they immunize for aren't such as chicken pox, the majority just take the word of anything without researching, no shawdow you wouldn't want your child to be brain damaged if it didn't have to be, ..

curiousity good point well said...as always...

Or very educated...

Many immunizations can prevent deadly diseases like hepatitus and tetanus. The good outweighs the bad.

Frog there is no real eveidence of that, There is no NO funding available for immunizations, its a hope for the best scenerio, please provide links that show the research on vaccinations...We are going off of a study put out by another country that is very old......unless you have something...I know you have a great resepect for medicine but there is much you haven't learned yet....You will find that out though..the drug companies are interested in one thing frog the bottom line...this is not to say you can't have a passion for research but keep your eyes open....Your a good well meaning kid.....

Pfizer does...


But the researchers at Universities aren't.

Polio vaccines have almost eradicated polio.
The Rotavirus vaccines creates an immunity for the dealy disease for 7 years!

Whoa, I totally missed this thread!

I'm not sure if it was mentioned already in this thread (b/c to be honest I just skimmed through all 11 pages). I read an article maybe a year or so ago regarding thimerosal containing (a mercury additive) vaccines and how they were significantly linked to autism. I haven't heard much on the topic since then. *tries to find that old link* Has anyone else?

I really don't want to re-hash anything but I just -have- to say this...

Rambo is a tad delusional, IMO

the last kknown case of polio was in 1999 and it was a result of the vaccnation, there is the host and the carrier it a disease cannot be withot both and a certain amount you probably know better than I ...Do you have links on th research that is in progress right now on vaccinations???Or the sponsors?????

The Pfizer website...They just market drugs sold to them from research labs.

Frog that doesn't sound right do you have link????Do you know iof any vaccination research going on??Or are you just specualting????Or hoping?????

Yes, I know of several anthrax vaccines being made...

GOOGLE Pfizer...I'm too lazy right now

Frog I found it myself, As I suspected there is no long term research available , it seems that the manufactor hires a researcher they give the group shots report they are well tolerated end of story, telephone research no adverse effects get into the studies....Its standard procedure .As I already said by law very little is required....Not very comforting in my book.thanks frog I'll see what else i can find....

http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/im...suppression.htm

Interesting article about immune supression.

http://www.healthychild.com/database/vacci...t_to_choose.htm

http://www.thimersol.com/ (about mercury in vaccines)

Educate!

Thanks Purplos, haven't seen you for a while welcome back

these are good sources of info Rage on vaccinations .....

Also often the vacinations don't work then they swear up and down it wasn't the vacciination they just remain the disease...i have seen this with my own eyes kids that were vaccinated for chicken pox got it anyways ..when the chicken pox is nothing if you get it you will have a lifetime immunity...I think the research isn't there its like alot of ideas that just aren't working yet no one wants to say they are wrong or put money into research or taking money out its a huge cash cow....also alot have the philosophy some kids are wothr sacraficing so some can live...except ask the parent of the child that was normal andhealthy who now is autisitic?????Ask them how they feel....i'm one of hteose parents i think its down right vulgar and criminal to inject tings into kids that aren't researched.........ther are a few topics started just on this forum Mumps out break baffles doctors...Hmmm ???

The vaccines work for 95% of all children.


The goverment funds research and the medicines is there. There are effective vaccines for hundreds of diseases. Coming from a disease-ridden country, you either get the vaccine or get the disease. If you get the disease, you won't survive


They are researched, you are just angry that your kids were born with weak histaminic reactions that caused an allergic reaction. That comes from genetics-the parents! Not from vaccines.


Viruses are constantly evolving. You have no knowledge on medical issues, just a blatant opinion.

Frog I'd like to keep these threads open, genetics does play a part in many things but not as much as you are inferring again you know nothing of my educational background...You are not a doctor...many of these threads you are showing your educational understandings are incomplete......you have much to learn yet again wisdom isn't in just posting any old answer just to post its in not knowing things too.......

Seriously Sheri berries, how is ur education on microbiology and immunology. Stop scaring these people with random insinuations that vaccines are evil. Its common knowledge that vaccines would've passed all the necessary clinical trial phases before being administered to the general public, unless you subscribe to conspiracy theories around vaccines.
The unlucky few that has an unwanted reaction caused by the vaccine are far less than the poor souls lost that refused or were unable to obtain (Africa) the vaccine and that is the plain truth.
Seasonal flu vaccines are the only shaky vaccines which i admit i would not take but i also find totally unnecassery if you arent older than 60 and the season has a paricularly virulant.

Do you know how a clinical trial is put together, come on now.......i'm not impressed with arguements that insult..... I never said vaccinations are evil these are your interpretations....conspiracy theories are your words not mine.....there is little if any long term research done on vaccinations ....There are some things we must insist on and putting unresearched toxins in babies and children is one of those things.....As I have stated repeatedly there are split camps in the medical community on this issue...Whats the big deal He he lets do some research lets insist on it.......they once said cigarette smoking was not harmful, ..........there was also a clinical trial for Vioxx and phen phen we all know about that . and prozac....etc etc.........Trans fat.........Unless we speak up things go on as before every thing that has been pulled is becasue people like you or I who said hold on to many kids are being hurt ..i actually think in theory the idea of vaccinations is a good one but in practice it is very flawed i think long term studys need to be done......One lost or maimed child is one to many in my book.....

This is where you are wrong


Again, this is where your ignorance shine through. I have proven several times that vaccines are throughly researched and only 5% of people have allergic reactions to them.


And you know nothing of mine


My dad does not practice medicine, but he is still considered a doctor. I think I am the next best thing.



MY understanding inincomplete? Yours is. I actually use facts..

I have to go, finish ater

Did vaccines help to eradicate diseases, or did nature?

Here's a statistical graph from Australia: http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html

You know, yelling at eachother about who did what and who is smarter than who is not helping anything.

I was just reading the FDA website about the studies/trials that a vaccine undergoes before being released on the public. --

Phase 1 has a small number of 'specially selected' people. Can take up to a month. I suppose it basically checks to make sure no one will die outright.

Phase 2 can have 'more people' and checks for immediate and quick reactions.

Phase 3 can include 'up to 100' people.

Phase 4, which 'often includes thousands' is often done AFTER the vaccine is on the public market. (which pretty much sounds like they are doing the testing on the public)

This is the standard testing done for any new drug, vaccine, medical whatever.

It's no wonder that things like the Vioxx debacle happened, huh?

Thankyou Purplos i did know this thanks for finding this, this is the gist of the research our children are basically guinea pigs after that ......
Frog i understand being 15 and coming to these sites saying you are somehting you aren't or close enough can be the new fun for teenagers...i've kept that in mind this whole time your a kid nothing to do so lets pretend my dads a doctor .....thats kool too but this is a serious topic just keep with the flow don't diagnose otherwise I'm gonna report this has gone on too long...I actually like you but it you are looking to be resepcted being honest is very important okay.......

Safety studies on vaccinations are limited to short time periods only: several days to several weeks. There are NO (NONE) long term (months or years) safety studies on any vaccination or immunization. For this reason, there are valid grounds for suspecting that many delayed-type vaccine reactions may be taking place unrecognized at to their true nature."--Dr Buttram MD

He said the normal trials on a new vaccine were not possible in Britain because of the relatively small numbers of people who contracted the disease. Instead scientists had tested whether the vaccine produced sufficient antibodies."--Media report on meningitis C vaccine

One of the flaws in studies of vaccines is that there are no true placebo groups. The vaccine is tested in one group of immunized children and is compared to another group of immunized children."--Peter Baratosy

To date there has never been an independent, controlled study which proves that their vaccines are safe or even effective."--Ingri Cassel

While the myriad short-term hazards of most immunizations are known (but rarely explained), no one knows the long term consequences of injecting foreign proteins into the body of your child. Even more shocking is the fact that no one is making any structured effort to find out."--Dr Robert Mendelsohn MD


JABS has not been able to find any properly conducted trials where the safety of the vaccines has been monitored for more than a few weeks. JABS has not been able to find any studies of the long-term consequences of the use of the MMR vaccines.Why Does The MMR Vaccine Need To Be Suspended? http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jabs/mmrsuspend.html


When a new drug comes on the market, it's typically based on 5,000-10,000 subjects who have received it because that's all you need for FDA approval, said Dr. Klein, director of pediatric infectious diseases at Boston Medical Center.
If there's an adverse event with an incidence of 1 in 20,000 associated with the drug or vaccine, it won't be detected right away. Unless the new drug or vaccine fills a critical void, Dr. Klein recommended staying away from it until the first 100,000 individuals have been treated. After that "you can feel a lot more comfortable that the adverse event profile is as it has been


http://www.whale.to/vaccines/studies.html for full article.......

Again, Can I just remind everyone that UM does not endorse any medical advice that people are giving in these posts. These posts should never be substituted for proper medical treatment.

Please everyone this is a thread for your personal opinions on the subject. I realise that people mean well but I don't think anyone on this thread is medically trained or qualified to be giving advice or medical opinions.

Disclaimers

Thankyou.

Thanks Lottie , for the reminder yo are right this is personal opinion not anything more.....

Not debunking anyone but Autism is hereditary you can't get it from a vaccination

Wow..you have already resulted to this Sherri? Do you even know my real name? My parents name? I don't think so. To go and insult the profession of my parents is outrageous. I am certain now you know nothing of medical science.

Just a note, my dad does have a Ph.D M.D. What do you have? Nothing close to that

http://www.cdc.gov/travel/vaccinat.htm#infants

I came across this article and thought I'd post for discussion.......Please take a moment to read especially if you have kids ....


From Well Being Journal Vol. 12, No. 2 ~ March/April 2003

Should I Vaccinate My Child?

By Jini Patel Thompson


• An unpublished study by the World Health Organization (WHO) on a “measles susceptible” (malnourished) group of children showed that the group who hadn't been vaccinated contracted measles at the normal contract rate of 2.4%. Of the group who had received the measles vaccine (MMR), 33.5% contracted measles

• In 1975 Japan raised the minimum age for infant vaccinations to two years. As a result, SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, or crib death) and infant convulsions virtually disappeared. In the '80s, Japan lowered the minimum age back down to three months and the rate of SIDS returned to previous levels
• In an Australian study, a group of recruits were immunized for rubella, and all produced the expected antibodies. When later exposed to the disease, 80% of the recruits contracted it
• According to the U.S. National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (est.1986): To qualify for compensation, the adverse effects of vaccination must occur within four hours of receiving the vaccine. Despite this extremely severe limitation, as of February 28, 1998 compensatory payments have totalled $871,800,000. This figure is even more alarming when it is revealed that only one in four claimants were awarded compensation
• Some researchers postulate that the use of live viral vaccines introduces foreign genetic material into the human system, which has contributed to the unprecedented escalation of auto-immune disorders (like multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, cancer, Crohn's disease, asthma, etc.) in recent decades.
The above facts each highlight a different facet of the vaccination question: effectiveness, adverse effects and long-term consequences. The unspoken thread running through each of these is a pressing question: Why haven't more people been informed of this evidence, and indeed, why is vaccination presented carte blanche as a positive, imperative requisite for our children's health?

As the mother of a newborn, I knew it was important to find out what is really going on with infant and childhood vaccination and whether it is conclusively a beneficial or necessary procedure. Thus I embarked on four months of research into immunization—squeezed in between the demands of caring for and breastfeeding our new baby, Oscar!

DO VACCINES ACTUALLY WORK?

As I researched the issue, I was amazed to discover that there is a large and growing body of clinical studies, fieldwork (in developing nations) and historical data refuting the safety and efficacy of vaccination. Unfortunately, the propaganda campaign for vaccination has been so successful that most of us automatically believe that vaccines are so effective they are responsible for the virtual eradication of serious childhood illnesses. In reality, this is not so, and if you examine the actual rates of incidence for each disease (from mainstream sources such as the Lancet, WHO and UNICEF), the graphs show a clearly different picture.

From the 1800s to the present, in every case, each disease had been virtually eliminated decades before the introduction of the relevant vaccine—through improved hygiene, better nutrition, clean drinking water and improved sanitation. Basically, as people's overall health and immune systems improved, they didn't get sick. As the physician W. J. McCormick summarized in 1950 (before vaccines for measles, mumps, scarlet fever and rheumatic fever were introduced):

“...[T]he decline in diphtheria, whooping cough and typhoid fever began fully fifty years prior to the inception of artificial immunization and followed an almost even grade before and after the adoption of these control measures. In the case of scarlet fever, mumps, measles and rheumatic fever there has been no specific innovation in control measures, yet these also have followed the same general pattern in incidence decline.”6

Furthermore, research reveals dozens of cases around the world where there was an outbreak of infectious disease (e.g., measles, polio, tetanus, smallpox, etc.) and contract rates were either similar among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, or higher and more severe among the vaccinated. For example:

• Massachusetts in 1961 experienced a “type II” polio outbreak and “there were more paralytic cases in the triple vaccinates than in the unvaccinated.”7

• In 1976, Dr. G. T. Stewart reported in the British Medical Journal that, “of 8,092 cases of whooping cough, 2,940 (36%) were fully immunized, while only 2,424 (30%) were definitely not immunized.”8

• Professor George Dick, speaking at an environmental conference in Brussels in 1973, admitted that in recent decades, 75% of British people who contracted smallpox had been vaccinated. This, combined with the fact that only 40% of children (and a maximum of 10% of adults) had been vaccinated, clearly shows that vaccinated people have a much higher tendency to contract the disease.9

If vaccination is not responsible for the eradication of childhood illnesses, and vaccinated children are actually at a greater risk of contracting a disease than unvaccinated children, why is vaccination routinely presented as an effective safeguard for our children's health? When the historical data is referred to by pro-vaccine parties, it is often skewed and presented out of context. For example, in reference to a mass immunization campaign carried out in Thailand:

“...[T]he immunization coverage for measles has increased from 6% in 1984 to 63% in 1988, leading to a reduction in measles prevalence from 93.7/100,000 in 1984 to 37.1/100,000 in 1986.”10

However, what the report doesn't indicate is that in 1987, the infection rate of measles was 87.1/100,000. And in 1988 it was 59.1/100,000, which is actually higher than the rate of infection in 1982 (57.1/100,000) when no one had been vaccinated. These statistics, however, are conveniently not included as they don't support the pro-vaccination stance of the report.

Aside from establishing that vaccines are not the reason infectious childhood illnesses have virtually disappeared, and that vaccinated children are actually at a greater risk of contracting disease, there are also the adverse effects and long-term consequences of vaccination to be considered.

EFFECTS OF VACCINATION

Immediate Side Effects

Immediate or short-term effects of vaccination can include the following: encephalopathy (irreversible brain damage), ataxia (incoordination of voluntary muscle movements), mental retardation, aseptic meningitis (inflammation of the membranes of spinal cord or brain), seizure disorders, hemiparesis (half-body paralysis), retinopathy and blindness, hyperactivity, anaphylaxis, high pitched (encephalitic) screaming/prolonged crying, learning disorders, hay fever, asthma, sudden infant death (SIDS), brachial plexus neuropathy (disease affecting nerves that serve the arm, forearm and hand), and abdominal pain. Secondary complications can include juvenile-onset diabetes, Reye's syndrome and multiple sclerosis.

Unfortunately, it's virtually impossible to determine the real incidence of damaging adverse reactions. For example, a British government report claims the rate of permanent neurologic damage from the DPT vaccine to be 1 in 300,000.11 However, other researchers indicate the permanent damage level to be anywhere from 1 in 62,000 to 1 in 300. Research by Coulter and Fisher on the 3.3 million children vaccinated yearly in the U.S. found there to be a total of 33,006 cases of acute neurological reactions (encephalitic screaming, convulsions, collapse) within 48 hours of receiving the DPT shot.

When the problems with vaccination are addressed in a serious manner by the pro-vaccination side, it usually involves a member of the bio-medical field qualifying that the dangers of vaccination, although real, are very rare, for example:

“Parents must be informed of the rare possibility of serious adverse effects, including seizure and allergic reaction. Every physician who administers vaccines therefore needs to become familiar with the reactions that may occur with each immunologic agent used. The best safeguard against litigation, when and if a serious reaction follows vaccination, is the indication that these considerations were discussed and that an informed choice was made.”12

However, there is no scientific evidence as to the actual frequency or incidence of vaccine-induced injury, so in fact we have no idea whether reactions are indeed rare, or statistically significant. In articles such as the one above, no verifiable statistical evidence, reflecting reliable reporting or monitored study for this “rarity” is ever presented. As shown in the official minutes of the 15th session of the U.S. Panel of Review of Bacterial Vaccines and Toxoids with Standards and Potency:

“Many physicians are not cognizant of the importance of reporting untoward reactions, or may be unaware of their clinical features. Further, both physicians and manufacturers have been held liable for damage suits by patients who may suffer adverse effects from established vaccines. All of these factors undoubtedly discourage reporting; without some other form of surveillance, definition of the rates and significance of untoward reactions to current and future vaccines cannot be ascertained.”13

For this reason, it is suspected that the number of adverse reactions and vaccine-damaged children is actually much, much higher than is currently presented by the medical/pharmaceutical community. Instead, there is a growing number of mothers and lay people, whose children have been irrevocably damaged, forming vaccine risk awareness groups. There continue to be incidents like the one in West Germany in 1967, where smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children, and of these 71 were rendered completely deaf.14 At the extreme end of the spectrum, we have occurrences like the one in Australia's Northern Territory where malnourished aboriginal children were vaccinated and in some areas 50% of them died.15 According to Dr. B. Bloom at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, there's even an emerging reluctance to further develop vaccines because financial losses due to the liability of established vaccines actually exceed the profits derived from them.

Whether these adverse reactions are caused by the vaccines themselves or the number of highly toxic additives contained in vaccines (e.g., formaldehyde, mercury, acetone, etc.), or a combination of the two, remains to be determined. As yet, no research has been carried out to resolve this question.

Long-Term Consequences

While these short-term consequences are alarming (especially if it happens to your child), the possible long-term consequences of vaccination are, in my opinion, even more of a worry. When you contract a disease naturally, the virus or bacteria normally enters via the body's natural filtration system—by being inhaled or swallowed or passing through the liver. With measles, for example, the airborne virus is carried first to the tonsils, then to the lymph nodes and then into the spleen, blood and other organs. This succession produces a variety of reactions: sneezing, coughing or the secretion of a local antibody within the respiratory tract, all designed to expel or weaken the virus at its port of entry. With vaccines, foreign antigens are usually injected directly into the body's tissues and carried throughout the circulatory system, giving them direct access to all of the body's vital organs and systems. To bypass the body's natural defense system, and at such a young age, is simply asking for trouble. In addition, because the vaccine contains an attenuated (or weakened) form of the virus, the body doesn't activate its major inflammatory response nor its non-specific immune defenses.

Another long-term complication of vaccination involves the “one cell-one antibody” rule. This means that once a B cell is committed to an antigen (disease-causing virus or bacteria), it becomes inert and incapable of responding to other antigens or attacks on the immune system. If a child contracts childhood diseases naturally, it is estimated that up to a total of 7% of his/her immune system is taken up with responding to these diseases. However, a child who undergoes the routine course of vaccinations risks having up to 70% of his/her immune system committed to these antigens and no longer available for other immune challenges. Current research suggests this reduced immune-response capacity is responsible for increased susceptibility to other infections, allergies and auto-immune diseases. Other researchers argue that these attenuated forms of the viruses remain in the body causing continual antigenic stimulation of the immune system—meaning the immune system is always in “attack” mode—which also weakens it and leads to auto-immune diseases.

A placebo-controlled trial of acellular pertussis vaccines in Sweden compared vaccinated children with un-vaccinated children of the same birth grouping. During the trial, an invasive bacterial infection occurred among the vaccinated group resulting in numerous deaths. A review of the trial data led researchers to conclude that “the hypothesis of an immunosuppressive effect of the vaccines, which would explain the deaths...could not be refuted by the data.”16

As further evidence, one of the few double-blind trials that have ever been conducted on a vaccine shows the same immunosuppressive effect. In the trial, of the group who were vaccinated with the Salk polio vaccine, over 200 people went on to contract polio. Among the control group (unvaccinated), not one of them developed polio.17

Citing references from numerous valid sources, including four recognized textbooks on pediatrics and immunology, Harold Buttram, M.D., and John Hoffman, Ph.D., conclude that childhood vaccination “cannot help but have adverse effects on the immunologic system of the child, possibly leaving this system crippled in its ability to protect the child throughout life...opening the way for other diseases as a result of immunologic dysfunction.”18

The other worrying aspect of live viral vaccines is they introduce foreign genetic material into the human body. Dr. Richard Moskowitz, M.D. and Harvard graduate, explains how this can lead to auto-immune disease susceptibility:

“Vaccinal attenuated viruses attach their own genetic `episome' to the genome (half set of chromosomes and their genes) of the host cell, and are thus capable of surviving or remaining latent within the host cells for years. The presence of foreign antigenic material within the host cell sets the stage for their unpredictable provocation of various auto-immune phenomena such as herpes, shingles, warts, tumors—both benign and malignant—and diseases of the central nervous system, such as varied forms of paralysis and inflammation of the brain.”19

Dr. Moskowitz states that in addition, vaccines do not just produce mild versions of the original disease, but all of them commonly produce a variety of their own symptoms. In some cases, “these illnesses may be considerably more serious than the original disease, involving deeper structures, more vital organs, and less of a tendency to resolve spontaneously. Even more worrisome is the fact that they are almost always more difficult to recognize.”20

In addressing scientists at a conference sponsored by the American Cancer Society, Rutgers University professor R. Simpson warned:

“Immunization programs against flu, measles, mumps, polio and so forth may actually be seeding humans with RNA to form latent proviruses in cells throughout the body. These latent proviruses could be molecules in search of diseases, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus erythematosus, Parkinson's disease and perhaps cancer.”21

The bulk of the evidence gathered from numerous countries points out that not only is vaccination ineffective at preventing the spread of infectious disease, but vaccinated children are actually at a higher risk of contracting these illnesses. In addition, the adverse reactions to vaccination are much higher than presently documented in the medico-pharmaceutical literature and the long-term damaging effect of suppressing the immune system is rarely addressed.

In light of all the evidence to the contrary, why have vaccines been pressed upon the public as a necessary, beneficial way of preventing our children from getting sick? In the words of Dr. Raymond Obomsawin (who has held senior positions in UNICEF and CUSO), referring to mass vaccination, “It is reprehensible that such actions continue to be enforced by authorities, while parents and local health workers are not accorded any practical knowledge of the known dangers involved, and the extent to which there prevails a general ignorance of the longer term consequences.”22

Combine this ignorance with the millions of dollars in profit generated by vaccination that goes straight into the pockets of manufacturing companies, governments and medical doctors, and it becomes clear that vaccination is more of a political and economic issue than a health issue. Barbara Fisher, who served for ten years on the U.S. National Vaccine Advisory Committee, states:

“We have bad science and bad medicine translated into law to ensure that vaccine manufacturers make big profits, that career bureaucrats at the Public Health Service meet the mass vaccination goals promised to politicians funding their budgets, and pediatricians have a steady flow of patients.... As the drug companies have often stated in meetings I have attended, if a vaccine they produce is not mandated to be used on a mass basis, they do not recoup their R&D costs and do not make the profit they want. In the medical literature official studies of vaccine risk are published purportedly proving there is no cause and effect. What the reader does not know is that often the studies have been designed and conducted by physicians who sit on vaccine policy-making committees at the Centers for Disease Control...some of whom receive money from vaccine manufacturers for their universities and for testifying as expert witnesses in vaccine-injury cases. And others are federal employees with an eye on career advancement within HHS and a future job with a vaccine manufacturer after retirement from public service. Many of these same physicians sit on the peer review boards of the major medical journals such as Pediatrics and JAMA, where they refuse space for studies or letters from the few brave physicians who dare to challenge their assertions that there is no cause and effect.”23

When you take into account the billions of dollars at stake in vaccination campaigns, it is not surprising that vaccination propaganda is foisted upon the public with almost religious fervour. The intense psychological pressure and fear that parents feel about vaccinating their children is no accident, but the result of well-planned, well-funded marketing campaigns. Needless to say, having completed my research, I have made sure Oscar remains completely un-vaccinated. As to whether you should vaccinate your child or not, only you can and should make that decision. It is very difficult to stand strong and resolute against the ubiquitous pressure to vaccinate. It's like having to keep insisting the Earth is round when authorities, your community, intellectuals, and the majority of scientists, etc., all insist it's flat. As with all matters of health, each of us has to go with what our gut tells us is right, or the best possible option for us at that time.

There are very effective alternatives to vaccination, but it's beyond the scope of this article to address that here (see www.alternativemedicine.com and do a keyword search on vaccination for more info). Also, any good naturopathic physician will be able to advise you of the alternatives and prescribe immune support measures for your child. For those of you who are wary of the dangers of vaccination but not quite strong enough—or convinced enough—to decline immunization, there are a few options you might wish to explore:

• Only give your child the vaccines you feel are most necessary and omit the most dangerous ones, or the ones that have been banned in other countries. For example, opt for diphtheria and tetanus but omit the pertussis component of the DPT shot, skip the hepatitis B vaccine—especially in infants (200 doctors in France have banded together to try to get their government to ban it). The MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) shot has also been banned in several countries.

• If you do vaccinate, assist your child/baby's immune system before, during and after vaccination to reduce the risk of adverse effects. Dr. Lendon Smith (an Oregon pediatrician) administers the following to his patients: 1000 mg. vitamin C, 500 mg. calcium and 50 mg. vitamin B6 the day before, the day of and the day after vaccination.24 Consult with your doctor (medical or naturopathic) as to the best amounts and delivery method of these immune support substances for your child. Continue to supplement with a full range of vitamins and minerals daily thereafter (use 100% natural preparations specially formulated for infants or children).

• Continue to educate yourself by reading other sources and conduct your own research on vaccination.

I don't have kids, but I would like to see a source.

Mainly because SIDS is unexplained for one.

I guess Polio went away by itself. It all easy to say until your own kids come up sick from not being vaccinated. Of course their problems with them, but they save alot of lives.

Eric i thought you were trying to be nicer to me did you read the article?????It is a good synopsis of the recent postion on vaccinations and as a parent and a new nicer person to me what are your thoughts on vaccinations, you are a parent correct???This isn't sheri the all knowing and the rest of you have to debunk my great wisdom, if you dare and can lol I'm genuinely interested in all perspectives and rapping even if we disagree...


Kratos at the top of the article it tells where it came from its www.wellbeingjournal.com they have alot of articles for you to check out.....

No direct link?

I just find it amazing that this site knows the causes and reasons for SIDS while the rest of the medical world is still in the dark.

Looking on the site this headline really jumps out... "Healing Cancer Naturally". Preying on people at their weakest moment doing anything just to live. Pretty pathic of a site to do something like that.

Both my children have been vaccinated against the above mentioned diseases...I've never had any kind of problem with either of them reacting adversely to the vaccinations...they're both as healthy as can be..

Polio, Smallpox, Strain 1 Mumps and Meningitis all have been eradicated through vaccines...There are two other threads on this topic Sheri, no need to spread more propaganda.

Frog You are in error as usual.....We have been through this over and over...

Nyx I'm glad to hear your kids are fine .....

Haha, you still deny science? You still think your godly claims are better than scientific fact?

Sheri, it is YOU in error. If know for a fact I know more about you in the field of medicine. For a person who doesn't do research, you are sure confident. Lose your ego.

Me thinks you are right

You are right...No one really knows the main causes for SIDS...all we can do is try and prevent them...I tried two good tips a midwife told me...and they seemed to have worked...I thank God they did...it was my biggest fear...I dont know what I would have done if I lost another kid

being honest Polio is a serious disease it doen't just 'go away' the reason why it has 'gone away' is because of vaccinations

sounds strange, but i'm having to lean towards you frogfish on this one but it's good to hear both sides of the party

hmmmm and you have a point too Kahrie...I guess for those that havent had their polio shots are at risk???? ohh gawd i am tired!!! <--me

i wasn't really directing it at you just in case you got offened by it it's the same principle as saying 'cancer has just gone away by itself' that will never happen without medical assitance same here im tired as well

It wouldnt have mattered if you where directing it at me girly LOL you still made sense

The risks aren't small , there is no research done on vaccinations and the last reported case of polio was in 1999 due to the vaccination. Also there is no system in place to report adverse effects of vaccination....So frog the erradication of polio is in error, remember what erradication means.....Frog your arguement is always the same...."Sheri, it is YOU in error. If know for a fact I know more about you in the field of medicine. For a person who doesn't do research, you are sure confident. Blah blah.....of course you would know more, Just ask you......Frog you so entertain me lol......

So the erdication of a whole disease is an accident. Sheri, gain some common sense. The erdication of a disease due to a vaccine is NOT an accident. Face it, you lost

The article that I read keep me wondering... most of the present Neurological diseases... cancers...autism... were rare 50 plus years ago... now... these diseases seem to increase on par with the increasingly numerous vaccinations that we are now exposed to... that we are told we really need!!!

In the old days most people got sore... started to wear out as they got old... now children... babies.. are wearing out... health wise do we have the quality of life ??... the same energy of those of the old days???... where wholesome food .. fresh air and sunshine. and a little excercise..... seemed to be all that was needed ..???

We say that we have progressed because most of the old plagues.. etc.. have been eradicated...... Really???

There are more and more new plagues... diseases that we hear... read about world wide.... more people with various afflictions than ever before... is it because we are eductated... and now aware of more???? or is there just more out there???


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Luckily my mother didn't believe in vaccinations with the exception of Polio which was still a huge concern when I was born. Other than Polio (and small pox by accident), I wasn't given any vaccines and neither was my sister. Because of that I actually caught both rubella and pertussis when I was a kid, I don't even really remember having either one. My sister also had pertussis. When I was in kindergarten, I was accidentally given the small pox vaccine at school without my mother knowing... I still remember her pure rage when she found out.

I didn't vaccinate my daughter for anything EXCEPT, when she was 15, I did proactively treat her for Malaria and Typhoid Fever because she was going to be living in a tropical area with highly questionable sanitation and water. I chose to pre-treat her with the weakest treatments available. A simple every other day regime of doxycycline for the Malaria, and a CHILDRENS dose of a special medication specifically for Typhoid. And we did also give her a hepatitus vaccine at that time as well. It seemed wise given the conditions she would be going into.

I asked my mother a few years ago how she got us into school with no vaccinations... apparently, she forged the little leaflets our doctors were suppose to sign. Naughty mom, but I'm glad she did it.

My sister has not vaccinated my 3yo neice, and she will not vaccinate my 3 week old neice either. She will likely have a hard time getting them into schools and summer camps etc now... but it remains to be seen. My daughter was never in school long enough for anyone to ask for her records, She was homeschooled.

I'm obviously not a big fan of vaccines, however, I do believe in looking into it when the children are older, especially if there's a specific reason to do so.

(and yes, I'm aware that pre-treatment for Malaria isnt' technically a vaccination. So really the only vaccine my child has had is Tetnus when she split her knee open on a dirty can or bottle, the oral dose(s) for Typhoid, and the Hep she got before going to the So. Pacific. I had very good reasons to give those to her.)

oh for pete sake, I just realized that this is a really old thread... really old

That's OK... as it appears that if you bring up topics that are controversial here.... and they have been brought up before... they are more likely to close the thread!!!

So I had to search for this one...

I believe that some Naturapaths are able to provide documents... that suppliment the need for certain vaccinations... they have their versions of phage treatments... that seem acceptable...legally...

Also you can get certain letters that point out that the patient may be allergic to it.. or are unable to have it for religious reasons... eg