vaccines have helped mankind too -
polio , small pox.
you'd be crying for it if they were on the rise - ( polio is ) and remember small pox is not nonexistant. measles are on the rise.
when you look at the numbers it helps compared to those it hurts -------- nothing is 100 %. differences in people and how they react is something that can't be measured.
if a vaccine helps a billion and hurts 10,000. or even 100,000. then it has worked for the greater good. and that's the stick. nothing is 100 % but people expect it to be.
don't get vaccined and watch nature release an old haunt . say good bye( or pass the crutches ) to those who didn't get a shot.
Full Version: Vaccinations from Hell
Airline polio alert in Australia
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.c...jectid=10451583
But what about Phage treatments???
No real side effects there.....that I've read yet... and they look quite promising...
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2003/06/59430
http://www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/~sabed...ft_beg_news.htm
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pi...529104901000150
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.c...jectid=10451583
But what about Phage treatments???
No real side effects there.....that I've read yet... and they look quite promising...
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2003/06/59430
QUOTE
"The beauty is that the phage will only latch onto and destroy (one) strain of bacteria and leaves all the good bacteria unharmed," said Denise Curnow, CEO of Novolytics, a U.K. company working on a prophylactic to prevent staph infection.
http://www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/~sabed...ft_beg_news.htm
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pi...529104901000150
QUOTE
http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabe...iversity_1.html
Viruses gain entry and are specific to a particular host cell because portions of the capsid (or spikes of the envelope) adhere to specific receptor sites on host cell plasma membrane. Their nucleic acid then enters the cell, where the viral genome codes for production of protein units in the capsid. Bacteriophages invade the host cell, take over the cell, and begin replicating viruses, eventually lysing or bursting the host cell, releasing the new viruses to infect additional cells. Figure 6 illustrates a typical T bacteriophage, as well as several of these viruses being assembled in a host.
Viruses gain entry and are specific to a particular host cell because portions of the capsid (or spikes of the envelope) adhere to specific receptor sites on host cell plasma membrane. Their nucleic acid then enters the cell, where the viral genome codes for production of protein units in the capsid. Bacteriophages invade the host cell, take over the cell, and begin replicating viruses, eventually lysing or bursting the host cell, releasing the new viruses to infect additional cells. Figure 6 illustrates a typical T bacteriophage, as well as several of these viruses being assembled in a host.
I'm a firm believer in using good judgement. I don't actually believe vaccines are evil, I really don't. If my daughter went to live in Africa or another place where certain diseases are rampant, I would probably suggest she talk to a doctor (or travel doctor) and make an informed decision about whether or not to be vaccinated for specific epidemics or how best to prevent getting them.
I feel the same for myself having never been vaccinated. In fact, in the 80's there was an epidemic of rubella in my state and I was working in a pharmacy where I came into contact with sick people all the time. So I did go to the Public Health Dept and got a poke in the arm. When I told my mother, she laughed her butt off and reminded me I'd already had rubella and was in fact never vaccinated for it in the first place. haha. No harm done though.
I believe in distributing vaccinations in areas where some of these diseases are still at epidemic levels to get a hold on the problem. However, once the problem is under reasonable control, I do think it's important to be discriminating about giving everyone vaccinations. Some of the diseases we vaccinate for aren't deadly or harmful under normal circumstances. The vaccines can do more harm than good when the diseases are largely under control.
Kind of like what my mother did with us. Polio was still very common when I was born, so I did get vaccinated for it. 20 years later when my daughter was born, I didn't bother because Polio is almost unheard of today. If at some point, it becomes a concern, she can make a decision on whether to be vaccinated for it or not.
I feel the same for myself having never been vaccinated. In fact, in the 80's there was an epidemic of rubella in my state and I was working in a pharmacy where I came into contact with sick people all the time. So I did go to the Public Health Dept and got a poke in the arm. When I told my mother, she laughed her butt off and reminded me I'd already had rubella and was in fact never vaccinated for it in the first place. haha. No harm done though.
I believe in distributing vaccinations in areas where some of these diseases are still at epidemic levels to get a hold on the problem. However, once the problem is under reasonable control, I do think it's important to be discriminating about giving everyone vaccinations. Some of the diseases we vaccinate for aren't deadly or harmful under normal circumstances. The vaccines can do more harm than good when the diseases are largely under control.
Kind of like what my mother did with us. Polio was still very common when I was born, so I did get vaccinated for it. 20 years later when my daughter was born, I didn't bother because Polio is almost unheard of today. If at some point, it becomes a concern, she can make a decision on whether to be vaccinated for it or not.
I think we are ready for a new form of preventive medicine.... When you take a close look at it...(Vaccinations)... it is really very primitive... it is something you'd think they did... 100's ...1000's of years ago
http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/...ic.jsp?id=75749
The idea of only using some form of vaccination... if it really seems necessary ,seems sensible...
Why expose fragile immune systems to unnecessary poisons...viruses...
Like with taking too many vitamins.. for prolonged periods of time... your body may no longer deem it necessary to find it's own from normal foods....or forget how.... I'm sure there is some sort of immune response associated with working with nature to heal itself and being able to fend for itself... rather than having all it's alledged nutrients handed to it on a silver platter... ie... artificially... .the body may behave
like modern spoilt youth... begin to get bored...play around with other latent DNA...chemicals in it's body... and get hooked on something. addicted to somethings..it shouldn't... just to make life more interesting.....
I've read some horrifying articles from doctors... scientist...who are appalled by many of the things that are put in vaccinations... the standards used...
note*** profit motive would go for cost effective... often they are produced in poorer countries....where things are cheaper... and the raw materials... may be a little dodgey ....
I once spent days trying to find the sources of fresh ingredients...vitamins... etc came from.... I found that there were only a couple of corporations that had a monopoly on most of the raw ingredients... that many were constructed artificially... rebuilt chemically from????
Recycled products???? byproducts from other industries?????
I heard from one scientist that it doesn't matter where the base ingredients come from... once you break them down to base elements..and reconstruct them... they are pure...
But what about the 'life force' of plants.. vitamins from plants?????
Same with vaccinations... the life force of the viruses... their mediums... the labrats... monkeys... horses... cows.. eggs... birds.... that have been deliberately infected.. so that they can
incubate those viruses...for our vaccinations... surely????? there is some concern here???
or the poisons they use to inactivate the viruses.. before they inject us... surely those poisons are still in the vaccination.. how will those poisons affect us once we are injected... are they safe???? still active???
There are just too many concerns...
Phage medicine seems a newer safer way... ( even though it was resurrected in Georgia Russia nearly 100 years ago...went broke..then 'rediscovered' by the West recently.....)
http://www.intralytix.com/history.htm
http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/...ic.jsp?id=75749
The idea of only using some form of vaccination... if it really seems necessary ,seems sensible...
Why expose fragile immune systems to unnecessary poisons...viruses...
Like with taking too many vitamins.. for prolonged periods of time... your body may no longer deem it necessary to find it's own from normal foods....or forget how.... I'm sure there is some sort of immune response associated with working with nature to heal itself and being able to fend for itself... rather than having all it's alledged nutrients handed to it on a silver platter... ie... artificially... .the body may behave
like modern spoilt youth... begin to get bored...play around with other latent DNA...chemicals in it's body... and get hooked on something. addicted to somethings..it shouldn't... just to make life more interesting.....I've read some horrifying articles from doctors... scientist...who are appalled by many of the things that are put in vaccinations... the standards used...
note*** profit motive would go for cost effective... often they are produced in poorer countries....where things are cheaper... and the raw materials... may be a little dodgey ....
I once spent days trying to find the sources of fresh ingredients...vitamins... etc came from.... I found that there were only a couple of corporations that had a monopoly on most of the raw ingredients... that many were constructed artificially... rebuilt chemically from????
Recycled products???? byproducts from other industries?????
I heard from one scientist that it doesn't matter where the base ingredients come from... once you break them down to base elements..and reconstruct them... they are pure...
But what about the 'life force' of plants.. vitamins from plants?????
Same with vaccinations... the life force of the viruses... their mediums... the labrats... monkeys... horses... cows.. eggs... birds.... that have been deliberately infected.. so that they can
incubate those viruses...for our vaccinations... surely????? there is some concern here???
or the poisons they use to inactivate the viruses.. before they inject us... surely those poisons are still in the vaccination.. how will those poisons affect us once we are injected... are they safe???? still active???
There are just too many concerns...
Phage medicine seems a newer safer way... ( even though it was resurrected in Georgia Russia nearly 100 years ago...went broke..then 'rediscovered' by the West recently.....)
http://www.intralytix.com/history.htm
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Apr 21 2006, 12:23 PM) 
Also often the vacinations don't work then they swear up and down it wasn't the vacciination they just remain the disease...i have seen this with my own eyes kids that were vaccinated for chicken pox got it anyways ..when the chicken pox is nothing if you get it you will have a lifetime immunity...I think the research isn't there its like alot of ideas that just aren't working yet no one wants to say they are wrong or put money into research or taking money out its a huge cash cow....also alot have the philosophy some kids are wothr sacraficing so some can live...except ask the parent of the child that was normal andhealthy who now is autisitic?????Ask them how they feel....i'm one of hteose parents i think its down right vulgar and criminal to inject tings into kids that aren't researched.........ther are a few topics started just on this forum Mumps out break baffles doctors...Hmmm ???
I have never heard anyone say if you get a vaccine your 100 % immune. ever. your kids may have had gotten the chicken pox to a lesser degree and some because of the vaccine get it.
and no - you can have chicken pox AND get it again later as an adult as shingles. that's with or without the vaccine.
A person usually has only one episode of chickenpox, but VZV can lie dormant within the body and cause a different type of skin eruption later in life called shingles (or herpes zoster). Getting the chickenpox vaccine significantly lowers your child's chances of getting chickenpox, but he or she may still develop shingles later.
and yes polio is still around. but the wild type was eliminated because of vaccines.
Polio (also called poliomyelitis) is a contagious, historically devastating disease that was virtually eliminated from the Western hemisphere in the second half of the 20th century. Although polio has plagued humans since ancient times, its most extensive outbreak occurred in the first half of the 1900s before the vaccination, created by Jonas Salk, became widely available in 1955.
At the height of the polio epidemic in 1952, nearly 60,000 cases with more than 3,000 deaths were reported in the United States alone. However, with widespread vaccination, wild-type polio, or polio occurring through natural infection, was eliminated from the United States by 1979 and the Western hemisphere by 1991.
Signs and Symptoms
Polio is a viral illness that, in about 95% of cases, actually produces no symptoms at all (called asymptomatic polio). In the 4% to 8% of cases in which there are symptoms (called symptomatic polio), the illness appears in three forms:
a mild form called abortive polio (most people with this form of polio may not even suspect they have it because their sickness is limited to mild flu-like symptoms such as mild upper respiratory infection, diarrhea, fever, sore throat, and a general feeling of being ill)
a more serious form associated with aseptic meningitis called nonparalytic polio (1% to 5% show neurological symptoms such as sensitivity to light and neck stiffness)
a severe, debilitating form called paralytic polio (this occurs in 0.1% to 2% of cases)
People who have abortive polio or nonparalytic polio usually make a full recovery. However, paralytic polio, as its name implies, causes muscle paralysis - and can even result in death. In paralytic polio, the virus leaves the intestinal tract and enters the bloodstream, attacking the nerves (in abortive or asymptomatic polio, the virus usually just stays in the intestinal tract). The virus may affect the nerves governing the muscles in the limbs and the muscles necessary for breathing, causing respiratory difficulty and paralysis of the arms and legs.
Contagiousness
Polio is transmitted primarily through the ingestion of material contaminated with the virus found in stool (poop). Not washing hands after using the bathroom and drinking contaminated water were common culprits in the transmission of the disease.
Prevention
In the United States, it's currently recommended that children have four doses of inactivated polio vaccination (IPV) between the ages of 2 months and 6 years.
By 1964, the oral polio vaccine (OPV), developed by Albert Sabin, had become the recommended vaccine. OPV allowed large populations to be immunized because it was easy to administer, and it provided "contact" immunization, which means that an unimmunized person who came in contact with a recently immunized child might become immune, too. The problem with OPV was that, in very rare cases, paralytic polio could develop either in immunized children or in those who came in contact with them.
Since 1979 (when wild polio was eliminated in the United States), the approximately 10 cases per year of polio seen in this country were traced to OPV.
heck wooping cough is on the rise.
Measles
from WHO
Measles remains a leading cause of death among young children, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine for the past 40 years. An estimated 345 000 people, the majority of them children, died from measles in 2005 (the latest year for which figures are available).
Measles is one of the most contagious diseases known. Almost all non-immune children contract measles if exposed to the virus. Measles is an acute viral illness caused by a virus in the paramyxovirus family. As a respiratory disease, measles virus normally grows in the cells that line the back of the throat and in the cells that line the lungs. Measles is a human disease with no known animal reservoir.
Vaccination has had a major impact on measles deaths. From 2000 to 2005, more than 360 million children globally received measles vaccine through supplementary immunization activities. Moreover, improvements have been made in routine immunization over this period. These accelerated activities have resulted in a significant reduction in estimated global measles deaths. Overall, global measles mortality decreased by 60% between 1999 and 2005. The largest gains occurred in Africa where measles cases and deaths decreased by nearly 75%.
( and because most are so out of date for small pox vaccinations here , if one were to introduce it back we'd be in serious trouble. yes the virus still exists.)
QUOTE(MissMelsWell @ Jul 26 2007, 09:15 PM)
I'm a firm believer in using good judgement. I don't actually believe vaccines are evil, I really don't. If my daughter went to live in Africa or another place where certain diseases are rampant, I would probably suggest she talk to a doctor (or travel doctor) and make an informed decision about whether or not to be vaccinated for specific epidemics or how best to prevent getting them.
I feel the same for myself having never been vaccinated. In fact, in the 80's there was an epidemic of rubella in my state and I was working in a pharmacy where I came into contact with sick people all the time. So I did go to the Public Health Dept and got a poke in the arm. When I told my mother, she laughed her butt off and reminded me I'd already had rubella and was in fact never vaccinated for it in the first place. haha. No harm done though.
I believe in distributing vaccinations in areas where some of these diseases are still at epidemic levels to get a hold on the problem. However, once the problem is under reasonable control, I do think it's important to be discriminating about giving everyone vaccinations. Some of the diseases we vaccinate for aren't deadly or harmful under normal circumstances. The vaccines can do more harm than good when the diseases are largely under control.
Kind of like what my mother did with us. Polio was still very common when I was born, so I did get vaccinated for it. 20 years later when my daughter was born, I didn't bother because Polio is almost unheard of today. If at some point, it becomes a concern, she can make a decision on whether to be vaccinated for it or not.
I feel the same for myself having never been vaccinated. In fact, in the 80's there was an epidemic of rubella in my state and I was working in a pharmacy where I came into contact with sick people all the time. So I did go to the Public Health Dept and got a poke in the arm. When I told my mother, she laughed her butt off and reminded me I'd already had rubella and was in fact never vaccinated for it in the first place. haha. No harm done though.
I believe in distributing vaccinations in areas where some of these diseases are still at epidemic levels to get a hold on the problem. However, once the problem is under reasonable control, I do think it's important to be discriminating about giving everyone vaccinations. Some of the diseases we vaccinate for aren't deadly or harmful under normal circumstances. The vaccines can do more harm than good when the diseases are largely under control.
Kind of like what my mother did with us. Polio was still very common when I was born, so I did get vaccinated for it. 20 years later when my daughter was born, I didn't bother because Polio is almost unheard of today. If at some point, it becomes a concern, she can make a decision on whether to be vaccinated for it or not.
I agree with you , but in an age where travel is so easy and a virus can be spread like wild fire I do believe vaccines are good. nothing is 100 % and no doctor ever claimed it was. And viruses mutate. what you may have been vaccined for won't help if a change in the virus occured.
I have Pulmonary Hypertension ( among other crap ) and am grateful for the flu shots. this past year I actually got the flu because of it but to a lesser extent than I would have if I didn't get it.
do vaccinations hurt kids ? sure . but over all in comparison it's a small number. and that fact was never hidden. I remember my mom being told about adverse reactions back in the 70's when we got ours. People are different and there are always some that will react differently.
Most people can take codine for pain - I can't. it makes me terribly ill. should then I call the rest ignorant for taking codine ? no , that in it'self is stupid. Large amounts of contrast dye without preperation via prednasone makes me very scarily ill. yet now for most it isn't used because it isn't necessary for most. yet I still need it.
nothing is 100 % in medicine. but where would we be without it and those vaccines ? up that creek without a paddle.
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jul 26 2007, 10:17 PM)
I think we are ready for a new form of preventive medicine.... When you take a close look at it...(Vaccinations)... it is really very primitive... it is something you'd think they did... 100's ...1000's of years ago
http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/...ic.jsp?id=75749
The idea of only using some form of vaccination... if it really seems necessary ,seems sensible...
Why expose fragile immune systems to unnecessary poisons...viruses...
Like with taking too many vitamins.. for prolonged periods of time... your body may no longer deem it necessary to find it's own from normal foods....or forget how.... I'm sure there is some sort of immune response associated with working with nature to heal itself and being able to fend for itself... rather than having all it's alledged nutrients handed to it on a silver platter... ie... artificially... .the body may behave like modern spoilt youth... begin to get bored...play around with other latent DNA...chemicals in it's body... and get hooked on something. addicted to somethings..it shouldn't... just to make life more interesting.....
I've read some horrifying articles from doctors... scientist...who are appalled by many of the things that are put in vaccinations... the standards used...
note*** profit motive would go for cost effective... often they are produced in poorer countries....where things are cheaper... and the raw materials... may be a little dodgey ....
I once spent days trying to find the sources of fresh ingredients...vitamins... etc came from.... I found that there were only a couple of corporations that had a monopoly on most of the raw ingredients... that many were constructed artificially... rebuilt chemically from????
Recycled products???? byproducts from other industries?????
I heard from one scientist that it doesn't matter where the base ingredients come from... once you break them down to base elements..and reconstruct them... they are pure...
But what about the 'life force' of plants.. vitamins from plants?????
Same with vaccinations... the life force of the viruses... their mediums... the labrats... monkeys... horses... cows.. eggs... birds.... that have been deliberately infected.. so that they can
incubate those viruses...for our vaccinations... surely????? there is some concern here???
or the poisons they use to inactivate the viruses.. before they inject us... surely those poisons are still in the vaccination.. how will those poisons affect us once we are injected... are they safe???? still active???
There are just too many concerns...
Phage medicine seems a newer safer way... ( even though it was resurrected in Georgia Russia nearly 100 years ago...went broke..then 'rediscovered' by the West recently.....)
http://www.intralytix.com/history.htm
http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/...ic.jsp?id=75749
The idea of only using some form of vaccination... if it really seems necessary ,seems sensible...
Why expose fragile immune systems to unnecessary poisons...viruses...
Like with taking too many vitamins.. for prolonged periods of time... your body may no longer deem it necessary to find it's own from normal foods....or forget how.... I'm sure there is some sort of immune response associated with working with nature to heal itself and being able to fend for itself... rather than having all it's alledged nutrients handed to it on a silver platter... ie... artificially... .the body may behave
like modern spoilt youth... begin to get bored...play around with other latent DNA...chemicals in it's body... and get hooked on something. addicted to somethings..it shouldn't... just to make life more interesting.....I've read some horrifying articles from doctors... scientist...who are appalled by many of the things that are put in vaccinations... the standards used...
note*** profit motive would go for cost effective... often they are produced in poorer countries....where things are cheaper... and the raw materials... may be a little dodgey ....
I once spent days trying to find the sources of fresh ingredients...vitamins... etc came from.... I found that there were only a couple of corporations that had a monopoly on most of the raw ingredients... that many were constructed artificially... rebuilt chemically from????
Recycled products???? byproducts from other industries?????
I heard from one scientist that it doesn't matter where the base ingredients come from... once you break them down to base elements..and reconstruct them... they are pure...
But what about the 'life force' of plants.. vitamins from plants?????
Same with vaccinations... the life force of the viruses... their mediums... the labrats... monkeys... horses... cows.. eggs... birds.... that have been deliberately infected.. so that they can
incubate those viruses...for our vaccinations... surely????? there is some concern here???
or the poisons they use to inactivate the viruses.. before they inject us... surely those poisons are still in the vaccination.. how will those poisons affect us once we are injected... are they safe???? still active???
There are just too many concerns...
Phage medicine seems a newer safer way... ( even though it was resurrected in Georgia Russia nearly 100 years ago...went broke..then 'rediscovered' by the West recently.....)
http://www.intralytix.com/history.htm
there is no herb or vitimen that is going to keep you from getting the flu or chickenpox or measles. what they put in vaccinations basically is the virus in a controled way so that our body develoups defences against it ,
QUOTE(Lt_Ripley @ Jul , 12:57 PM)
there is no herb or vitimen that is going to keep you from getting the flu or chickenpox or measles. what they put in vaccinations basically is the virus in a controled way so that our body develoups defences against it ,
I heard that good old vitamin C is the best thing for many an illness!!! Boosts your immune system...
Rose hips are supposed to be brilliant... great source of vitamin C
http://www.kstrom.net/isk/food/wildrose.html
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Hey this is interesting....
QUOTE
http://www.homeopathic.org/news1201.htm
Since 1988, when the MMR replaced the three single vaccines, parents of 1,600 children have registered claims that it has caused some form of brain or gastroenteritic damage. Just 45 cases of vaccine-related harm were registered between 1967 and 1988, when jabs were given separately. Despite this, a number of Government-commissioned studies have concluded that there is no link between the jab and autism or bowel disorders.
In the U.S., a compensation scheme for patients damaged by injections has paid out more than GBP 97million to children adversely affected by MMR. The fund was provided by 'taxing' drug companies according to the estimated risk of the jab. MMR was 'taxed' at $ 4.44 a jab,
Since 1988, when the MMR replaced the three single vaccines, parents of 1,600 children have registered claims that it has caused some form of brain or gastroenteritic damage. Just 45 cases of vaccine-related harm were registered between 1967 and 1988, when jabs were given separately. Despite this, a number of Government-commissioned studies have concluded that there is no link between the jab and autism or bowel disorders.
In the U.S., a compensation scheme for patients damaged by injections has paid out more than GBP 97million to children adversely affected by MMR. The fund was provided by 'taxing' drug companies according to the estimated risk of the jab. MMR was 'taxed' at $ 4.44 a jab,
I just really think people need to use vaccines and medications very very carefully.
I mentioned that I innoculated my then 15yo daughter for Typhoid and Malaria.
I chose to use the smallest doses possible. Now, knowing that she was going into a typhoid/malaria infested area your first thought is "holy moses! Give me all the drugs you can so I don't get sick!"
Well, I didn't approach it that way. I actually gave her the smallest least toxic doses of each.
Malaria has several perventatives, one being doxycycline, the other two are Lariam and Malarone and both are one time injections that are effective for like 9 months or something. Doxycycline has to be taken in tablet form every other day (maybe daily, I don't remember now--I sent that kid off with a truck load of tablets). Lariam and Malarone can have some WICKED side effects and they blast your system with medication. Typhoid has a couple of different vaccines as well... one is a one time injection that's fairly inexpensive, the other is a two tablet course. The tablet form is generally given to children because it's a smaller dose.
On the surface, it looks like I was playing fast and loose with my daughters health right? Quite the opposite I think. Sure, where she was going, there was an epidemic of both diseases... however, with the help of a travel doctor we made dang sure she was well versed in hygeine and prevention. Unlike the natives that were ill, she slept with a mosquito net, used DEET religiously on every part of her exposed body, she washed her hands a million times a day using surgical techniques we taught her, she only consumed (and washed) with water bottled in Australia. She avoided foods that her grandparents had not prepared.
A lot of diseases that we immunize for are largely prevented by good hygeine and good common sense. Not only did we help erradicate Polio (for example) through immunization for a few years but it's also helped that we are far more aware of what causes it... it's not airborn. Hand washing and cleanliness can help reduce your chances of getting it.
I'd never give a modern western kid MMR or DPT today... all those diseases can be awful, however, otherwise healthly kids generally don't suffer irreparable damage from them in this day and age. They didn't even 38 years ago when I had Pertussis and Rubella. (Pertussis = Whooping Cough). In fact, I think at least half of everyone I know my age had at least one of those diseases they were supposedly immunized for. None of us died or ended up with some horrible health problems afterward. I wasn't even immunized for them.
We are talking about the modern western world where we have good medical care and in general are healthy when we contract those diseases. Kids and adults that get them in third world countries are another story--their best option might be to get immunized because they aren't necessarily healthy to being with, and their sanitation habits aren't terrific futher reducing their ability to fight off these relatively simply childhood diseases.
My daughter and I have traveled to countries where some of these diseases are active... namely Diptheria... which is normally contracted through "aerosol" spray (someone directly snottin' all over you) or direct contact of some sort. The chances for us to contract this was really slim. So ... no vaccination for us. Now if I was going to Burma or something to work in a hospital, I'd probably go ahead and get vaccinated... but I wasn't, I was just hangin' out in a Hilton high class hotel and might jump on a subway or bus occasionally. Small small risk.
I really believe I got some very sound medical advice when I first started seeing a travel doctor when my daughter and I were galavanting around the world. These guys really know their stuff, they specialize in infectous disease and immunizations. There aren't a ton of travel docs around, so I don't think their good sound advice on this topic gets out to the general public very often.
I mentioned that I innoculated my then 15yo daughter for Typhoid and Malaria.
I chose to use the smallest doses possible. Now, knowing that she was going into a typhoid/malaria infested area your first thought is "holy moses! Give me all the drugs you can so I don't get sick!"
Well, I didn't approach it that way. I actually gave her the smallest least toxic doses of each.
Malaria has several perventatives, one being doxycycline, the other two are Lariam and Malarone and both are one time injections that are effective for like 9 months or something. Doxycycline has to be taken in tablet form every other day (maybe daily, I don't remember now--I sent that kid off with a truck load of tablets). Lariam and Malarone can have some WICKED side effects and they blast your system with medication. Typhoid has a couple of different vaccines as well... one is a one time injection that's fairly inexpensive, the other is a two tablet course. The tablet form is generally given to children because it's a smaller dose.
On the surface, it looks like I was playing fast and loose with my daughters health right? Quite the opposite I think. Sure, where she was going, there was an epidemic of both diseases... however, with the help of a travel doctor we made dang sure she was well versed in hygeine and prevention. Unlike the natives that were ill, she slept with a mosquito net, used DEET religiously on every part of her exposed body, she washed her hands a million times a day using surgical techniques we taught her, she only consumed (and washed) with water bottled in Australia. She avoided foods that her grandparents had not prepared.
A lot of diseases that we immunize for are largely prevented by good hygeine and good common sense. Not only did we help erradicate Polio (for example) through immunization for a few years but it's also helped that we are far more aware of what causes it... it's not airborn. Hand washing and cleanliness can help reduce your chances of getting it.
I'd never give a modern western kid MMR or DPT today... all those diseases can be awful, however, otherwise healthly kids generally don't suffer irreparable damage from them in this day and age. They didn't even 38 years ago when I had Pertussis and Rubella. (Pertussis = Whooping Cough). In fact, I think at least half of everyone I know my age had at least one of those diseases they were supposedly immunized for. None of us died or ended up with some horrible health problems afterward. I wasn't even immunized for them.
We are talking about the modern western world where we have good medical care and in general are healthy when we contract those diseases. Kids and adults that get them in third world countries are another story--their best option might be to get immunized because they aren't necessarily healthy to being with, and their sanitation habits aren't terrific futher reducing their ability to fight off these relatively simply childhood diseases.
My daughter and I have traveled to countries where some of these diseases are active... namely Diptheria... which is normally contracted through "aerosol" spray (someone directly snottin' all over you) or direct contact of some sort. The chances for us to contract this was really slim. So ... no vaccination for us. Now if I was going to Burma or something to work in a hospital, I'd probably go ahead and get vaccinated... but I wasn't, I was just hangin' out in a Hilton high class hotel and might jump on a subway or bus occasionally. Small small risk.
I really believe I got some very sound medical advice when I first started seeing a travel doctor when my daughter and I were galavanting around the world. These guys really know their stuff, they specialize in infectous disease and immunizations. There aren't a ton of travel docs around, so I don't think their good sound advice on this topic gets out to the general public very often.
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Jul 27 2007, 03:25 PM)
I just really think people need to use vaccines and medications very very carefully.
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I'd never give a modern western kid MMR or DPT today... all those diseases can be awful, however, otherwise healthly kids generally don't suffer irreparable damage from them in this day and age. They didn't even 38 years ago when I had Pertussis and Rubella. (Pertussis = Whooping Cough). In fact, I think at least half of everyone I know my age had at least one of those diseases they were supposedly immunized for. None of us died or ended up with some horrible health problems afterward. I wasn't even immunized for them.
We are talking about the modern western world where we have good medical care and in general are healthy when we contract those diseases. Kids and adults that get them in third world countries are another story--their best option might be to get immunized because they aren't necessarily healthy to being with, and their sanitation habits aren't terrific futher reducing their ability to fight off these relatively simply childhood diseases.
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I'd never give a modern western kid MMR or DPT today... all those diseases can be awful, however, otherwise healthly kids generally don't suffer irreparable damage from them in this day and age. They didn't even 38 years ago when I had Pertussis and Rubella. (Pertussis = Whooping Cough). In fact, I think at least half of everyone I know my age had at least one of those diseases they were supposedly immunized for. None of us died or ended up with some horrible health problems afterward. I wasn't even immunized for them.
We are talking about the modern western world where we have good medical care and in general are healthy when we contract those diseases. Kids and adults that get them in third world countries are another story--their best option might be to get immunized because they aren't necessarily healthy to being with, and their sanitation habits aren't terrific futher reducing their ability to fight off these relatively simply childhood diseases.
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http://www.atla.org/pressroom/PressRelease.../january18.aspx
FDA Uses Back Door to Issue New Rule Protecting Negligent Drug Companies
Rule Could Affect Majority of Drug Safety Cases
FDA Uses Back Door to Issue New Rule Protecting Negligent Drug Companies
Rule Could Affect Majority of Drug Safety Cases
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jul 26 2007, 04:49 PM)
The article that I read keep me wondering... most of the present Neurological diseases... cancers...autism... were rare 50 plus years ago... now... these diseases seem to increase on par with the increasingly numerous vaccinations that we are now exposed to... that we are told we really need!!!
You didn't hear about the neurological diseases because they were lumped together under "feeble minded" or other such unscientific labels and sent off to terrible asylums... look into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellie_Bly
Cancer was rarer because people did not live as long.
Vaccinations, when properly carried out, ALWAYS become more dangerous than the disease they prevent. This is because any vaccine will have some (LOW if it is approved) rate of side effects. The problem is that if people stop getting vaccinated because of the side effects the disease will return, as the herd immunity (a critical percentage of the population that is immune to the disease and prevents spread among those who are not immune) breaks down. You WANT the vaccine to be more dangerous than the disease.
The reality is that I will never vaccinate for some things. Especially in this day and age.
My sister and I had most of those childhood diseases we were never vaccinated for like Pertussis, measles, rubella, it sucked, but even 37 years ago when we had them, they were medically manageable and we got over it, and we'll never have it again. *shrug* (as a child, my parents did vaccinate me for Dipthyeria, Polio, and Small Pox, and tetnus... but those were the only ones. My much younger sister didnt' have any of them)
Now, like I mentioned in an earlier post here, there ARE times it makes medical sense to vaccinate. My own daughter, who was also never vaccinated, WAS eventually vaccinated for a couple of non-treatable diseases because she was traveling to an area where those diseases are prevelent and it would have been quite possible she could contract something fatal. (Dipthyeria, Typhoid, and Hepetitus). We did these vaccinations on the advice of a doctor that specialized in tropical/travel related diseases. He actually commended me for never vaccinating my child unnecessarily... a man who specializes in vaccines. Honestly, when I first made the appointment with him, I was bracing myself to be raked over the coals for my decision not to vaccinate her as a baby... I was hugely surprised when I was praised for that decision.
My only advice is to educate yourself, and take the extra time to talk to a doctor that specializes in communicable diseases, not just your GP or average MD. See a specialist and make informed decisions based on a doctors recommendation and your own research. Please, please please, ask your doctors the HARD questions about vaccinations.
My sister and I had most of those childhood diseases we were never vaccinated for like Pertussis, measles, rubella, it sucked, but even 37 years ago when we had them, they were medically manageable and we got over it, and we'll never have it again. *shrug* (as a child, my parents did vaccinate me for Dipthyeria, Polio, and Small Pox, and tetnus... but those were the only ones. My much younger sister didnt' have any of them)
Now, like I mentioned in an earlier post here, there ARE times it makes medical sense to vaccinate. My own daughter, who was also never vaccinated, WAS eventually vaccinated for a couple of non-treatable diseases because she was traveling to an area where those diseases are prevelent and it would have been quite possible she could contract something fatal. (Dipthyeria, Typhoid, and Hepetitus). We did these vaccinations on the advice of a doctor that specialized in tropical/travel related diseases. He actually commended me for never vaccinating my child unnecessarily... a man who specializes in vaccines. Honestly, when I first made the appointment with him, I was bracing myself to be raked over the coals for my decision not to vaccinate her as a baby... I was hugely surprised when I was praised for that decision.
My only advice is to educate yourself, and take the extra time to talk to a doctor that specializes in communicable diseases, not just your GP or average MD. See a specialist and make informed decisions based on a doctors recommendation and your own research. Please, please please, ask your doctors the HARD questions about vaccinations.
wow.. this is the first time I've heard of this..
Aside for foa very few reasonable voices, this thread is soo full of new age mumbo jumbo it makes me more sick than a vaccine! Funny to see that most of the sources the anti-vaccination people gave are new age, holistic "medicine" and other unproved "miracle wisdom". I think its deserves to be in the Conspiracies board.
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Feb 19 2008, 10:57 PM)
The reality is that I will never vaccinate for some things. Especially in this day and age.
My sister and I had most of those childhood diseases we were never vaccinated for like Pertussis, measles, rubella, it sucked, but even 37 years ago when we had them, they were medically manageable and we got over it, and we'll never have it again. *shrug* (as a child, my parents did vaccinate me for Dipthyeria, Polio, and Small Pox, and tetnus... but those were the only ones. My much younger sister didnt' have any of them)
My sister and I had most of those childhood diseases we were never vaccinated for like Pertussis, measles, rubella, it sucked, but even 37 years ago when we had them, they were medically manageable and we got over it, and we'll never have it again. *shrug* (as a child, my parents did vaccinate me for Dipthyeria, Polio, and Small Pox, and tetnus... but those were the only ones. My much younger sister didnt' have any of them)
You're certainly right that in many cases, these old childhood diseases are managable. However, my mother nearly died as a small child from pertussis before the vaccine became available.
If you look at the rate of serious vaccine side effects, they're NOT all that bad. Its a simple case of replacing the risk of getting a disease with the lower risk of the vaccine. Vaccines also don't just protect you- they protect others that you would potentially spread the disease to.
QUOTE (Mekorig @ Feb 20 2008, 02:00 PM)
Aside for foa very few reasonable voices, this thread is soo full of new age mumbo jumbo it makes me more sick than a vaccine! Funny to see that most of the sources the anti-vaccination people gave are new age, holistic "medicine" and other unproved "miracle wisdom". I think its deserves to be in the Conspiracies board.
I would agree, vaccines are far better than many childhood disease's and the effects of that occur are far less than the results of any of the disease's. If you want to know how much of a difference vaccines can make, look at small pox.
QUOTE (Torgo @ Feb , 02:41 PM)
Cancer was rarer because people did not live as long.
I keep hearing that statement... but that quote would be correct if... it was only the elderly that get cancer... but what we are seeing is that many of the young are getting cancer... just look at the tabloids.. I've known several children who have had it..and many below middle age...
Cancer used to be like one in twenty... now some statistics say that you have 1 in 4 chance ..some go even as far as saying it's even higher..
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http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/im...suppression.htm
"Syphilis, phthisis, scrofula, cancer, erysipelas and almost all diseases of the skin, have been conveyed, occasioned, or intensified by vaccination." Dr William Hitchman
"Cancer and other vile diseases are daily inflicted on virtuous families by vaccination."
Dr Edward Haughton, BAMD, MRCS
"Experts say 98 million Americans who took polio shots in the 1950s and 1960s may get a deadly brain cancer from the inoculations ... Researchers at the University of Chicago Medical Center say that a virus contaminated the polio vaccine and they have now found genetic material from the virus in a number of brain cancer victims."
Dr Jacob Rachlin quoted from Weekly World News of Lantana [FL]
"Syphilis, phthisis, scrofula, cancer, erysipelas and almost all diseases of the skin, have been conveyed, occasioned, or intensified by vaccination." Dr William Hitchman
"Cancer and other vile diseases are daily inflicted on virtuous families by vaccination."
Dr Edward Haughton, BAMD, MRCS
"Experts say 98 million Americans who took polio shots in the 1950s and 1960s may get a deadly brain cancer from the inoculations ... Researchers at the University of Chicago Medical Center say that a virus contaminated the polio vaccine and they have now found genetic material from the virus in a number of brain cancer victims."
Dr Jacob Rachlin quoted from Weekly World News of Lantana [FL]
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http://www.communicationagents.com/chris/2...ng_diseases.htm
"PERSISTENCE AND LATENCY. Many viruses persist in host tissues for months or years without causing overt disease. A FLARE-UP OF THESE LATENT INFECTIONS MAY BE INDUCED BY TRAUMA, INTERCURRENT DISEASE, DECLINE IN ANTIBODY TITERS, OR UNKNOWN STIMULI. Experiments with tissue cultures and laboratory animals reveal that persistence of virus in tissue results from an interplay of various factors peculiar to each virus and its host. LATENCY IS PROMOTED BY THE PRESENCE OF ANTIBODY OR OTHER VIRAL INHIBITORS THAT PREVENT EXTENSIVE CELL-TO-CELL SPREAD OF VIRUS. IF ANTIBODY IS WITHDRAWN, VIRAL MULTIPLICATION OFTEN RESUMES, WITH CONCOMITANT CELLULAR NECROSIS."
In the same (6th) Edition of Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine , it is stated on page 975 in regards to the poliomyelitis vaccine: "Vaccine virus multiplies in the intestinal tract and remains at this site. LIVE VACCINE VIRUS SPREADS AND INFECTS CONTACTS OF VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS. This type of immunization in the presence of epidemic poliomyelitis may lead to REPLACEMENT OF THE "WILD" PARALYTOGENIC STRAIN BY THE ONE IN THE VACCINE....." In direct contradiction to this statement, the 1/1/2000 Vaccine Information statement put out by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Immunization Program, states that the "OPV (Oral Polio Vaccine) is better at keeping the disease from spreading to other
people. However, it does state in this document that "OPV actually causes polio".
"PERSISTENCE AND LATENCY. Many viruses persist in host tissues for months or years without causing overt disease. A FLARE-UP OF THESE LATENT INFECTIONS MAY BE INDUCED BY TRAUMA, INTERCURRENT DISEASE, DECLINE IN ANTIBODY TITERS, OR UNKNOWN STIMULI. Experiments with tissue cultures and laboratory animals reveal that persistence of virus in tissue results from an interplay of various factors peculiar to each virus and its host. LATENCY IS PROMOTED BY THE PRESENCE OF ANTIBODY OR OTHER VIRAL INHIBITORS THAT PREVENT EXTENSIVE CELL-TO-CELL SPREAD OF VIRUS. IF ANTIBODY IS WITHDRAWN, VIRAL MULTIPLICATION OFTEN RESUMES, WITH CONCOMITANT CELLULAR NECROSIS."
In the same (6th) Edition of Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine , it is stated on page 975 in regards to the poliomyelitis vaccine: "Vaccine virus multiplies in the intestinal tract and remains at this site. LIVE VACCINE VIRUS SPREADS AND INFECTS CONTACTS OF VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS. This type of immunization in the presence of epidemic poliomyelitis may lead to REPLACEMENT OF THE "WILD" PARALYTOGENIC STRAIN BY THE ONE IN THE VACCINE....." In direct contradiction to this statement, the 1/1/2000 Vaccine Information statement put out by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Immunization Program, states that the "OPV (Oral Polio Vaccine) is better at keeping the disease from spreading to other
people. However, it does state in this document that "OPV actually causes polio".
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Feb 21 2008, 03:09 AM)
I keep hearing that statement... but that quote would be correct if... it was only the elderly that get cancer... but what we are seeing is that many of the young are getting cancer... just look at the tabloids.. I've known several children who have had it..and many below middle age...
Cancer used to be like one in twenty... now some statistics say that you have 1 in 4 chance ..some go even as far as saying it's even higher..
Cancer used to be like one in twenty... now some statistics say that you have 1 in 4 chance ..some go even as far as saying it's even higher..
There are many causes of cancer including retro-viruses and atmospheric pollution. Also remember historically doctors didn't know and understand cancer and so a huge number of cases were no doubt misidentified. Tabloids are not a good source of information, in fact they are a terrible source.
Please if you have any storys of anyone who got retarted after the shots
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QUOTE (xymox1971 @ Feb , 05:14 AM)
Please if you have any storys of anyone who got retarted after the shots
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Well there seems to be quite a link to Autism and other neural disorders with vaccinations...
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http://www.westonaprice.org/children/autism.html
When stimulated, these NMDA receptors through G proteins stimulate nuclear vitamin A receptors discovered by Ron Evans and his colleagues in December, 1998. When blocked, in the animal model, mice are unable to learn and remember changes in their environment. They act as if they have significant visual perceptual problems and have spatial learning deficits.
Of concern is the fact that the hepatitis B virus protein sequence was originally isolated in the gene for a similar retinoid receptor (RAR beta), which is the critical receptor important for brain plasticity and retinoid signaling in the hippocampus. After the mercury is removed, I understand we will restart hepatitis B vaccine at day one of life. Studies need to be done to determine if this plays an additive role in the marked increase in autism.
I am using natural lipid soluble concentrated cis form of vitamin A in cod liver oil to bypass blocked G protein pathways and turn on these central retinoid receptors. In a few days, most of these children regain eye contact and some say their "box" of clear vision grows. After two months on vitamin-A treatment some of these children, when given a single dose of bethanechol [a drug related to acetlycholene, a substance that transmits nerve impulses] to stimulate pathways in the parasympathetic system in the gut, focus, laugh, concentrate, show a sense of humor and talk after 30 minutes, as if reconnected.
This improves cognition, but they are still physically ill. When these children get the MMR vaccine, their vitamin A stores are depleted and they cannot compensate for blocked pathways. Lack of vitamin A, which has been called "the anti-infective agent," leaves them immunosuppressed. They lack cell-mediated immunity. T cell activation, important for long term immune memory, requires 14-hydroxy retro-retinol. On cod liver oil, the only natural source of this natural substance, the children get well. The parasympathetic nervous system is blocked by the second G protein defect.
When stimulated, these NMDA receptors through G proteins stimulate nuclear vitamin A receptors discovered by Ron Evans and his colleagues in December, 1998. When blocked, in the animal model, mice are unable to learn and remember changes in their environment. They act as if they have significant visual perceptual problems and have spatial learning deficits.
Of concern is the fact that the hepatitis B virus protein sequence was originally isolated in the gene for a similar retinoid receptor (RAR beta), which is the critical receptor important for brain plasticity and retinoid signaling in the hippocampus. After the mercury is removed, I understand we will restart hepatitis B vaccine at day one of life. Studies need to be done to determine if this plays an additive role in the marked increase in autism.
I am using natural lipid soluble concentrated cis form of vitamin A in cod liver oil to bypass blocked G protein pathways and turn on these central retinoid receptors. In a few days, most of these children regain eye contact and some say their "box" of clear vision grows. After two months on vitamin-A treatment some of these children, when given a single dose of bethanechol [a drug related to acetlycholene, a substance that transmits nerve impulses] to stimulate pathways in the parasympathetic system in the gut, focus, laugh, concentrate, show a sense of humor and talk after 30 minutes, as if reconnected.
This improves cognition, but they are still physically ill. When these children get the MMR vaccine, their vitamin A stores are depleted and they cannot compensate for blocked pathways. Lack of vitamin A, which has been called "the anti-infective agent," leaves them immunosuppressed. They lack cell-mediated immunity. T cell activation, important for long term immune memory, requires 14-hydroxy retro-retinol. On cod liver oil, the only natural source of this natural substance, the children get well. The parasympathetic nervous system is blocked by the second G protein defect.
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http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/mercury.html
It is the thimerosal used in childhood vaccines that gives the greatest cause for concern. Investigators evaluating doses of mercury in the form of thimerosal used as a preservative in childhood immunizations found that they exceeded US federal safety guidelines. The analysis showed increased risks for neurodevelopment disorders, autism and heart disease with increasing exposure to thimerosal in vaccines. The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) safety of exposure standard is .1 microgram per kilogram of body weight per day equating to 7 micrograms for a 70 kilogram adult. Fully vaccinated children receive as much as 237.5 micrograms of mercury from vaccines in doses of up to 25 micrograms each.
It is the thimerosal used in childhood vaccines that gives the greatest cause for concern. Investigators evaluating doses of mercury in the form of thimerosal used as a preservative in childhood immunizations found that they exceeded US federal safety guidelines. The analysis showed increased risks for neurodevelopment disorders, autism and heart disease with increasing exposure to thimerosal in vaccines. The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) safety of exposure standard is .1 microgram per kilogram of body weight per day equating to 7 micrograms for a 70 kilogram adult. Fully vaccinated children receive as much as 237.5 micrograms of mercury from vaccines in doses of up to 25 micrograms each.
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VACCINES AND GENETIC MUTATION
http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/vacgen.html
This article does review the work of three pioneer researchers in this field, John Martin, PhD, MD, Howard B Urnovitz, PhD, and Dr. MG Montinari, work which shows fairly convincing evidence that genetic changes are being found in some patients in whom vaccine reactions appear to be causally involved. There are no claims that this evidence constitutes proof of genetic change from vaccines. What we do hope to establish from the work of these researchers is that it is both possible and plausible that subtle, widespread genetic changes may be taking place as a result of current childhood vaccine programs, possibly already affecting large portions of our children.
The burden of proof for vaccine reactions should not rest on parents, as it does now in our medical-legal system. The burden of proof for the safety of vaccines; that is, that the vaccines are NOT causing adverse genetic changes, should rest on the manufacturers, federal and state government health agencies, and the schools who are now mandating the vaccines. Until this matter is settled, does anyone at any level truly have the right to force vaccines in ever growing numbers on a generation of children?
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Genetic Hybridization
As purely genetic material, it would be expected that viruses are more prone to the process of jumping genes than other microorganisms. The following publication tends to support this hypothesis: In a study of 24 passages of a nuclear polyhedrosis virus through cell cultures there were both insertions and deletions in the virus, appearing to suggest that the virus both donated genetic material to and received genetic material from the cells in which it was cultured, therefore also suggesting the possibility of similar viral exchanges in the human system (our interpretation). (6)
• At a conference a number of years ago, Dr. H.H. Fudenberg, world-renowned immunologist with hundreds of publications to his credit, made the following comments: “One vaccine decreases cell-mediated immunity by 50%, two vaccines by 70%…all triple vaccines (MMR, DTaP) markedly impair cell-mediated immunity, which predisposes to recurrent viral infections, especially otitis media, as well as yeast and fungi infections.”
• As reviewed in standard pediatric textbooks, newborn babies and infants, having little immunity of their own, are largely dependent on antibodies received from their mother for about 6 months following birth, as indicated by their small lymph nodes, few plasma cells in their bone marrow, and very low rates of immunoglobulin synthesis. Normally about 6 years are required before various immune parameters are well established. At least theoretically, because of the immaturity of the immune system in infancy and early childhood, the child’s genetics during these early ages would be more vulnerable to injury. ** Please see Addendum
• Although final proof is as yet lacking, there is much indirect evidence that vaccines may be skewing the human immune system away from cellular immune system, which is normally dominant in health, towards the weaker humoral system, which is associated with allergies and autoimmunity as well as increased vulnerability to viral and fungal infections. This conclusion can hardly be escaped because most if not all childhood vaccines in current use are injected directly into the body and are directed at stimulating antibody production in the bone marrow. Bypassing the mucous membranes of the body as they do, the cellular immune system remains weak and relatively stunted due to lack of stimulation. As previously noted, once the humoral system attains dominance, as demonstrated in the following study, this dominance tends to be self-perpetuating.
As purely genetic material, it would be expected that viruses are more prone to the process of jumping genes than other microorganisms. The following publication tends to support this hypothesis: In a study of 24 passages of a nuclear polyhedrosis virus through cell cultures there were both insertions and deletions in the virus, appearing to suggest that the virus both donated genetic material to and received genetic material from the cells in which it was cultured, therefore also suggesting the possibility of similar viral exchanges in the human system (our interpretation). (6)
• At a conference a number of years ago, Dr. H.H. Fudenberg, world-renowned immunologist with hundreds of publications to his credit, made the following comments: “One vaccine decreases cell-mediated immunity by 50%, two vaccines by 70%…all triple vaccines (MMR, DTaP) markedly impair cell-mediated immunity, which predisposes to recurrent viral infections, especially otitis media, as well as yeast and fungi infections.”
• As reviewed in standard pediatric textbooks, newborn babies and infants, having little immunity of their own, are largely dependent on antibodies received from their mother for about 6 months following birth, as indicated by their small lymph nodes, few plasma cells in their bone marrow, and very low rates of immunoglobulin synthesis. Normally about 6 years are required before various immune parameters are well established. At least theoretically, because of the immaturity of the immune system in infancy and early childhood, the child’s genetics during these early ages would be more vulnerable to injury. ** Please see Addendum
• Although final proof is as yet lacking, there is much indirect evidence that vaccines may be skewing the human immune system away from cellular immune system, which is normally dominant in health, towards the weaker humoral system, which is associated with allergies and autoimmunity as well as increased vulnerability to viral and fungal infections. This conclusion can hardly be escaped because most if not all childhood vaccines in current use are injected directly into the body and are directed at stimulating antibody production in the bone marrow. Bypassing the mucous membranes of the body as they do, the cellular immune system remains weak and relatively stunted due to lack of stimulation. As previously noted, once the humoral system attains dominance, as demonstrated in the following study, this dominance tends to be self-perpetuating.
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A study by Sudhir Gupta of 20 autistic children, a condition thought by growing numbers of parents and physicians to be largely vaccine-related, showed consistent elevations of humoral cytokines and lowering of cellular cytokines.(12) Consequently, if vaccines are skewing infants’ immune systems by inducing a humoral-dominant system at a highly vulnerable time of life, they could be creating double-jeopardy from the standpoint of genetic mutations.
Stealth Viruses and the Work of John Martin, MD, PhD
Stealth Viruses and the Work of John Martin, MD, PhD
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A stealth virus is one that can establish a persistent infection in people over a period of years, while at the same time escaping detection by the human immune system because of its genetic fragmentation and polyglot mixture of genetic elements.
http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/vacgen.html
The Work of Howard B. Urnovitz and The Chronic Illness Foundation
Dr. Urnovitz and his colleagues have been studying the implications of vaccines in cancer, Persian Gulf War Syndrome, multiple sclerosis, and AIDS. Urnovitz, who holds doctorates in Immunology and Microbiology from the University of Michigan where he studied vaccines, has become one of the most vocal proponents for scientists to become aware of vaccine-associated genetic mutations.(19) His work in this area has supported the concepts that:
I Our bodies have a “genetic memory” of foreign substances it encounters, including vaccines.
II There is a limit on how much foreign material our bodies can handle before genetic damage occurs and/or progresses into a chronic illness.
III Each person has their own unique genetic blueprint which responds to foreign substances differently.
Immunogenetics
The genetics of our immune system are not well understood by scientists. However, there are many studies which pose serious implications. As one example, MG Montinari and colleagues investigated the relationship between post-vaccine central nervous system (CNS) diseases and human leukocyte antigens (HLA), which essentially strips the body’s brain and nerve tissues of their outer myelin coating.(23)
Montinari found that certain alleles of HLA (A3 & DR7) were more frequent in patients with post vaccine-induced illness. This indicates an immunogenetic basis for such illnesses. What caused much concern was that Montinari implicated vaccine preservatives such as thimerosal as causing genetic mutations
Summation
In a Letter-to-the-Editor of Science Magazine, October, 1967, Joshua Lederberg, Department of Genetics, Stanford University School of Medicine, warned about live-virus vaccines:
“In point of fact we (are practicing) biological engineering on a rather large scale by use of live viruses in mass immunization campaigns. . . . Crude virus preparations, such as some in common use at the present time, are also vulnerable to frightful mishaps of contamination and misidentification.” (38)
In a larger sense, the question about possible effects of vaccines in causing adverse genetic changes might be considered as the “black hole” of scientific knowledge.
http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/vacgen.html
The Work of Howard B. Urnovitz and The Chronic Illness Foundation
Dr. Urnovitz and his colleagues have been studying the implications of vaccines in cancer, Persian Gulf War Syndrome, multiple sclerosis, and AIDS. Urnovitz, who holds doctorates in Immunology and Microbiology from the University of Michigan where he studied vaccines, has become one of the most vocal proponents for scientists to become aware of vaccine-associated genetic mutations.(19) His work in this area has supported the concepts that:
I Our bodies have a “genetic memory” of foreign substances it encounters, including vaccines.
II There is a limit on how much foreign material our bodies can handle before genetic damage occurs and/or progresses into a chronic illness.
III Each person has their own unique genetic blueprint which responds to foreign substances differently.
Immunogenetics
The genetics of our immune system are not well understood by scientists. However, there are many studies which pose serious implications. As one example, MG Montinari and colleagues investigated the relationship between post-vaccine central nervous system (CNS) diseases and human leukocyte antigens (HLA), which essentially strips the body’s brain and nerve tissues of their outer myelin coating.(23)
Montinari found that certain alleles of HLA (A3 & DR7) were more frequent in patients with post vaccine-induced illness. This indicates an immunogenetic basis for such illnesses. What caused much concern was that Montinari implicated vaccine preservatives such as thimerosal as causing genetic mutations
Summation
In a Letter-to-the-Editor of Science Magazine, October, 1967, Joshua Lederberg, Department of Genetics, Stanford University School of Medicine, warned about live-virus vaccines:
“In point of fact we (are practicing) biological engineering on a rather large scale by use of live viruses in mass immunization campaigns. . . . Crude virus preparations, such as some in common use at the present time, are also vulnerable to frightful mishaps of contamination and misidentification.” (38)
In a larger sense, the question about possible effects of vaccines in causing adverse genetic changes might be considered as the “black hole” of scientific knowledge.
I will try to find this study and provide a link.
Japan is showing identical rates of rising autism to the rest of the developed world. However, they NEVER ONCE used thimerasol in their vaccines. In addition, that particular preservative was discontinued a decade ago in parts of Europe. There is simply no tie.
And i'm not sure WHAT that website talking about vitamin a and "the anti infective agent" is talking about...
Japan is showing identical rates of rising autism to the rest of the developed world. However, they NEVER ONCE used thimerasol in their vaccines. In addition, that particular preservative was discontinued a decade ago in parts of Europe. There is simply no tie.
And i'm not sure WHAT that website talking about vitamin a and "the anti infective agent" is talking about...
if only there was a vaccination for stupidity
QUOTE (Torgo @ Feb , 07:56 AM)
I will try to find this study and provide a link.
Japan is showing identical rates of rising autism to the rest of the developed world. However, they NEVER ONCE used thimerasol in their vaccines. In addition, that particular preservative was discontinued a decade ago in parts of Europe. There is simply no tie.
And i'm not sure WHAT that website talking about vitamin a and "the anti infective agent" is talking about...
Japan is showing identical rates of rising autism to the rest of the developed world. However, they NEVER ONCE used thimerasol in their vaccines. In addition, that particular preservative was discontinued a decade ago in parts of Europe. There is simply no tie.
And i'm not sure WHAT that website talking about vitamin a and "the anti infective agent" is talking about...
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pi...306987704006152
I think they did... but they do say that they delay vaccinating their children until the age of two...as they too are concerned with the rate of Sids that many link to early vaccination...
There already is a very high level of Mercury pollution in Japan....
http://www.sg.emb-japan.go.jp/JapanAccess/pollute.htm
Autism is Reversible: Removing Mercury Reverses Autism
http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/9820
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=587889
Medical Hypotheses : The potential importance of steroids in the ...
Recently emerging evidence suggests that mercury, especially from childhood ..... [28] M.N. Megson, Is autism a G-α protein defect reversible with natural ..
http://www.autismwebsite.com/aRI/treatment/megson.htm
Is Autism a G-Alpha Protein Defect Reversible with Natural Vitamin A?
http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/foru...ht=recovered+11
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http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthc...173467120080201
Vaccine Companies Investigated for Manslaughter
PARIS, Jan 31 (Reuters) - French authorities have opened a formal investigation into two managers from drugs groups GlaxoSmithKline (GSK.L: Quote, Profile, Research) and Sanofi Pasteur over a vaccination campaign in the 1990s, a judicial source said late on Thursday.
Judge Marie-Odile Bertella-Geffroy also opened an investigation for manslaughter against Sanofi Pasteur MSD, a joint venture between Sanofi Aventis (SASY.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) and Merck (MRK.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the same source said.
The investigations follow allegations that the companies failed to fully disclose side effects from an anti-hepatitis B drug used in a vaccination campaign between 1994 and 1998.
Vaccine Companies Investigated for Manslaughter
PARIS, Jan 31 (Reuters) - French authorities have opened a formal investigation into two managers from drugs groups GlaxoSmithKline (GSK.L: Quote, Profile, Research) and Sanofi Pasteur over a vaccination campaign in the 1990s, a judicial source said late on Thursday.
Judge Marie-Odile Bertella-Geffroy also opened an investigation for manslaughter against Sanofi Pasteur MSD, a joint venture between Sanofi Aventis (SASY.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) and Merck (MRK.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the same source said.
The investigations follow allegations that the companies failed to fully disclose side effects from an anti-hepatitis B drug used in a vaccination campaign between 1994 and 1998.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles...nslaughter.aspx
http://www.mercola.com/2007/mar/10/growing...ck-vaccines.htm
Vaccination Debate: Do Vaccines Cause Cot Deaths?
http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/coulter/vacc-deb.html
http://deathbyvaccination.com/
http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/coulter/vacc-deb.html
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http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/vaccine/mr-jan28.html
Deaths from vaccination do occur, many of them labelled as SIDS. Where is the outrage when a child dies or is seriously injured by a vaccine? Last week, a child died in Adelaide. This baby had screamed in pain all night and was found dead in the morning. It had received a DPT vaccine two days before its death - a reportable event in NSW, but South Australia, like all other Australian States and Territories, has no requirement to report vaccine reactions or deaths. Why is a child who is killed by a vaccine considered to be worth so much less than a child killed by illness?
Medical doctors around the country have been warning about the risks of vaccinations. Dr. Archie Kalokerinos has experienced first-hand the tragedy of vaccine-induced deaths which he described in his book "Every Second Child". He found that vaccinations were a strong contributing factor to an unacceptable number of deaths among Aboriginal and Caucasian children in an outback community where his practice was based. Despite the constant threat of retaliation from the medical fraternity, there are other medical doctors willing to make public their warnings. The Australian Vaccination Network can arrange media interviews with these doctors; Giselle Cooke, Archie Kalokerinos, Peter Baratosy, Mark Donahue, David Ritchie, Ian Brighthope, etc. if this is desired.
The AVN, with its very limited resources, [b]has collected details on 200 instances of vaccine related deaths and serious injuries and is willing, with the permission of the families involved, to make this information public. Meryl Dorey, President of the AVN would like to invite members of the media to examine the cases that are contained on their register and to see for themselves the other side of the vaccination issue and why it is that vaccination rates are falling in Australia.
"Seven of the families who have contacted us have reported that their child died following a vaccine reaction," [/b]she states. "Many more have children who are epileptic or permanently brain-damaged as a result of vaccines. None of these cases were ever reported by the doctors involved. The vast majority of vaccine reactions go unreported and so when we are told that vaccines are safe, that assurance is not being based upon factual information."
Deaths from vaccination do occur, many of them labelled as SIDS. Where is the outrage when a child dies or is seriously injured by a vaccine? Last week, a child died in Adelaide. This baby had screamed in pain all night and was found dead in the morning. It had received a DPT vaccine two days before its death - a reportable event in NSW, but South Australia, like all other Australian States and Territories, has no requirement to report vaccine reactions or deaths. Why is a child who is killed by a vaccine considered to be worth so much less than a child killed by illness?
Medical doctors around the country have been warning about the risks of vaccinations. Dr. Archie Kalokerinos has experienced first-hand the tragedy of vaccine-induced deaths which he described in his book "Every Second Child". He found that vaccinations were a strong contributing factor to an unacceptable number of deaths among Aboriginal and Caucasian children in an outback community where his practice was based. Despite the constant threat of retaliation from the medical fraternity, there are other medical doctors willing to make public their warnings. The Australian Vaccination Network can arrange media interviews with these doctors; Giselle Cooke, Archie Kalokerinos, Peter Baratosy, Mark Donahue, David Ritchie, Ian Brighthope, etc. if this is desired.
The AVN, with its very limited resources, [b]has collected details on 200 instances of vaccine related deaths and serious injuries and is willing, with the permission of the families involved, to make this information public. Meryl Dorey, President of the AVN would like to invite members of the media to examine the cases that are contained on their register and to see for themselves the other side of the vaccination issue and why it is that vaccination rates are falling in Australia.
"Seven of the families who have contacted us have reported that their child died following a vaccine reaction," [/b]she states. "Many more have children who are epileptic or permanently brain-damaged as a result of vaccines. None of these cases were ever reported by the doctors involved. The vast majority of vaccine reactions go unreported and so when we are told that vaccines are safe, that assurance is not being based upon factual information."
http://deathbyvaccination.com/
I had the MMR vaccine and at the age of 11 had Ulcerative Colitus, not saying they're related but I have NO family history of any problems in that area.
The truth is we have little understanding of the true depths of the immune system, and as we all know messing around with something we don't understand fully is asking for problems.
Whilst I remember, my dad was vaccinated for whooping cough and still caught it.
The truth is we have little understanding of the true depths of the immune system, and as we all know messing around with something we don't understand fully is asking for problems.
Whilst I remember, my dad was vaccinated for whooping cough and still caught it.
I had the full suite of childhood vaccinations (except chicken pox) and I'm fine. I have no mental issues, no allergies other than a slight one to dust mite poo and another to the detergent Tide, and am not prone to illness. I also get the flu shot every year.
Yes vaccinations do not provide total protection - I got the flu this year despite getting the shot (there was a strain they missed this year) and one other time in middle school. Most vaccines provide ~80-90% protection.
Yes, vaccines will cause some small proportion of those that get them to develop serious complications. A larger number will have mild complications that pale in comparison to the disease. But as a rule the diseases ARE WORSE. You are substituting a smaller risk for a bigger one.
Yes vaccinations do not provide total protection - I got the flu this year despite getting the shot (there was a strain they missed this year) and one other time in middle school. Most vaccines provide ~80-90% protection.
Yes, vaccines will cause some small proportion of those that get them to develop serious complications. A larger number will have mild complications that pale in comparison to the disease. But as a rule the diseases ARE WORSE. You are substituting a smaller risk for a bigger one.
QUOTE (Torgo @ Mar 6 2008, 07:20 AM)
I had the full suite of childhood vaccinations (except chicken pox) and I'm fine. I have no mental issues, no allergies other than a slight one to dust mite poo and another to the detergent Tide, and am not prone to illness. I also get the flu shot every year.
Yes vaccinations do not provide total protection - I got the flu this year despite getting the shot (there was a strain they missed this year) and one other time in middle school. Most vaccines provide ~80-90% protection.
Yes, vaccines will cause some small proportion of those that get them to develop serious complications. A larger number will have mild complications that pale in comparison to the disease. But as a rule the diseases ARE WORSE. You are substituting a smaller risk for a bigger one.
Yes vaccinations do not provide total protection - I got the flu this year despite getting the shot (there was a strain they missed this year) and one other time in middle school. Most vaccines provide ~80-90% protection.
Yes, vaccines will cause some small proportion of those that get them to develop serious complications. A larger number will have mild complications that pale in comparison to the disease. But as a rule the diseases ARE WORSE. You are substituting a smaller risk for a bigger one.
n Unless you or a loved one are victims to the side effects...
Just think Merck had to pay out billions in damages for the chickenpox vaccination...
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2007/11/09...cks-settlement/
It must have been really bad... but they are quickly putting it behind them and trying to make up for that loss with expanding the Gardasil market to include the older population..even though some tests have shown that if they already do have these warts there is a greater chance of these infections mutating into cancer...
Then there is the Swine Flu shots!!!!
http://whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos13.html
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bioter/shotinthedark.html
http://www.mercola.com/2000/nov/26/flu_shots.htm
The billion dollar vaccine market...
http://allergykids.wordpress.com/2007/11/1...rotecting-whom/
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Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court - Now What?
Thursday, February 28, 2008
After years of insisting there is no evidence to link vaccines with the onset of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), the US government has quietly conceded a vaccine-autism case in the Court of Federal Claims.
The unprecedented concession was filed on November 9, and sealed to protect the plaintiff's identify. It was obtained through individuals unrelated to the case.
The claim, one of 4,900 autism cases currently pending in Federal "Vaccine Court," was conceded by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and other Justice Department officials, on behalf of the Department of Health and Human Services, the "defendant" in all Vaccine Court cases.
Thursday, February 28, 2008
After years of insisting there is no evidence to link vaccines with the onset of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), the US government has quietly conceded a vaccine-autism case in the Court of Federal Claims.
The unprecedented concession was filed on November 9, and sealed to protect the plaintiff's identify. It was obtained through individuals unrelated to the case.
The claim, one of 4,900 autism cases currently pending in Federal "Vaccine Court," was conceded by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and other Justice Department officials, on behalf of the Department of Health and Human Services, the "defendant" in all Vaccine Court cases.
full article
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/20...ref=videosearch
March 6th, tonight at 9pm East coast US time, Larry King Live is doing an interview about this subject.
What is odd, is myself, my sister, and my 7 yo brother have had or are in the process of receiving these vaccines, I and my sister turned out alright aside from the usual teenage drama that lasts several years after the fact.
I have known those who had a reaction which was severe enough that their doctor recommended not giving it to their other children, these were military doctors, mind you.
I see both sides, and I have not had a flu shot since I was a kid. I get the flu rarely, usually it is just a cold.
I have known those who had a reaction which was severe enough that their doctor recommended not giving it to their other children, these were military doctors, mind you.
I see both sides, and I have not had a flu shot since I was a kid. I get the flu rarely, usually it is just a cold.
My mom is an EMT and she said she had a guy come in having seizures and was mentally r******ed because of a vaccine he had got when he was real little...
Oh my god that's scary. . . .my little boy has to get his or he can't get into school, and I get charged with abuse. . .but I just don't trust vaccinations, and I never have. I don't trust something if I don't know where it comes from and what exactly is in it. . .including things that may be in there that aren't supposed to be. . .I dunno, maybe I'm just paranoid. . . but I'd rather get sick with something that I know than some random disease that happens to be floating around in my tainted vaccine. . . they're supposed to check blood for blood transfusions aren't they? We have this delusion that, if we get a transfusion, everything's been done to make sure the blood is "clean". . .yet look how many people are given blood that contains viruses and stuff. . .I've known three people in my life, personally, that that's happened to, and I'm 22. It scares me to think about how many more I'll run into in my life. . .and I pray one of them won't be me. . .
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story...eadly_immunity/
Kennedy Report Sparks Controversy
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http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3602
in June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Georgia. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to fifty-two attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."
But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line. "We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr. Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that "given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John Clements, vaccines advisor at the World Health Organization, declared that "perhaps this study should not have been done at all." He added that "the research results have to be handled," warning that the study "will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group."
in June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Georgia. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to fifty-two attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."
But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line. "We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr. Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that "given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John Clements, vaccines advisor at the World Health Organization, declared that "perhaps this study should not have been done at all." He added that "the research results have to be handled," warning that the study "will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group."
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http://www.albionmonitor.com/free2/dpt.html
There's no question that DPT vaccinations save lives; they have lowered the annual pertussis deaths from about 1000 annually to less than ten. Unfortunately, as reported by the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), the form of the vaccine used and sanctioned by the Centers for Disease Control also kills as many as 900 children per year, and leaves one of every 62,000 children immunized with permanent brain damage. Are those acceptable risks?
He determined that adverse events were severely underreported or overlooked, that no protection from the disease was demonstrable in infants, and that claims by official bodies that risks of whooping-cough exceeded those of vaccination were very questionable. He estimated the risk of transient brain damage and mental defect to occur in 1 out of every 10,000 vaccinated, and risk for permanent brain damage to occur in 1 out of every 20,000 to 60,000 vaccinated.
Sweden banned the pertussis vaccine from its vaccination program in 1979, related to concerns of safety and its questionable effectiveness. This country decided it would rather endure the disease as opposed to the vaccine. (Mr. Williamson correctly points out that the United Kingdom experienced outbreaks of pertussis during this time period, however, 100,000 cases with only 36 deaths was viewed by many as minor compared to the potential loss from mass immunizations of millions of citizens with a defective vaccine -- do the math yourself -- a potential for 900 deaths annually in this country alone from the vaccine.)
By 1960 they knew that when the live polio virus grown on monkey tissues was extracted for the vaccine, another virus was present as well: Simian Virus 40, known to cause brain cancer in research animals. The polio vaccine was contaminated.
It appears our government didn't wish to create a public panic or to discredit the public health service. Instead of recalling the tainted vaccines, it quietly ordered the manufacturers to continue production and find a monkey free of SV-40. By 1963 a safer polio vaccine was in production; the rhesus monkey had been replaced with the African green monkey. But between 1955 and 1963, as many as 98 million Americans had received the contaminated SV-40 polio vaccines.
Senior epidemiologist at the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Howard Strickler, used maps to help confirm the link between cancers and the tainted vaccine. People who lived in Massachusetts and Illinois who received identified lot numbers of the contaminated vaccine administered in the 1950s are now demonstrating ten times the rate of the osteosarcoma bone tumors as those who received vaccine free of the SV-40 contaminate in other parts of the country.
Already sounding like bad science fiction, more terrible news was yet to come. Italian researchers found the monkey virus in between 14 and 83 percent of human brain tumors.
There's no question that DPT vaccinations save lives; they have lowered the annual pertussis deaths from about 1000 annually to less than ten. Unfortunately, as reported by the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), the form of the vaccine used and sanctioned by the Centers for Disease Control also kills as many as 900 children per year, and leaves one of every 62,000 children immunized with permanent brain damage. Are those acceptable risks?
He determined that adverse events were severely underreported or overlooked, that no protection from the disease was demonstrable in infants, and that claims by official bodies that risks of whooping-cough exceeded those of vaccination were very questionable. He estimated the risk of transient brain damage and mental defect to occur in 1 out of every 10,000 vaccinated, and risk for permanent brain damage to occur in 1 out of every 20,000 to 60,000 vaccinated.
Sweden banned the pertussis vaccine from its vaccination program in 1979, related to concerns of safety and its questionable effectiveness. This country decided it would rather endure the disease as opposed to the vaccine. (Mr. Williamson correctly points out that the United Kingdom experienced outbreaks of pertussis during this time period, however, 100,000 cases with only 36 deaths was viewed by many as minor compared to the potential loss from mass immunizations of millions of citizens with a defective vaccine -- do the math yourself -- a potential for 900 deaths annually in this country alone from the vaccine.)
By 1960 they knew that when the live polio virus grown on monkey tissues was extracted for the vaccine, another virus was present as well: Simian Virus 40, known to cause brain cancer in research animals. The polio vaccine was contaminated.
It appears our government didn't wish to create a public panic or to discredit the public health service. Instead of recalling the tainted vaccines, it quietly ordered the manufacturers to continue production and find a monkey free of SV-40. By 1963 a safer polio vaccine was in production; the rhesus monkey had been replaced with the African green monkey. But between 1955 and 1963, as many as 98 million Americans had received the contaminated SV-40 polio vaccines.
Senior epidemiologist at the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Howard Strickler, used maps to help confirm the link between cancers and the tainted vaccine. People who lived in Massachusetts and Illinois who received identified lot numbers of the contaminated vaccine administered in the 1950s are now demonstrating ten times the rate of the osteosarcoma bone tumors as those who received vaccine free of the SV-40 contaminate in other parts of the country.
Already sounding like bad science fiction, more terrible news was yet to come. Italian researchers found the monkey virus in between 14 and 83 percent of human brain tumors.
.The government will not fund science that makes it look culpable
http://english.vietnamnet.vn/social/2007/05/693866/
I just saw the BBC Program called.. 'Make Me Normal'... about kids with Autism...
http://www.filmakers.com/indivs/MakeMeNormal.htm
It was heart breaking!!!
Make Me Normal
Autistic Teenagers Speak Out
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2...statistics.html
Some interesting statistics about Autism:
- 1 in 166 children is autistic
- 1 in 104 boys in autistic
- 67 children are diagnosed daily
- More children will be diagnosed with autism this year than with AIDS, diabetes, and cancer combined.
http://www.filmakers.com/indivs/MakeMeNormal.htm
It was heart breaking!!!
Make Me Normal
Autistic Teenagers Speak Out
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2...statistics.html
Some interesting statistics about Autism:
- 1 in 166 children is autistic
- 1 in 104 boys in autistic
- 67 children are diagnosed daily
- More children will be diagnosed with autism this year than with AIDS, diabetes, and cancer combined.
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Links between autism and thimerosal
Autism affects 500,000 to 1.5 million Americans and has grown at an annual rate of 10 to 17 percent since the late 1980s. California found a 273 percent increase in autism between 1987 and 1998. Maryland reported a 513 percent increase in autism between 1993 and 1998 and several dozen other states reported similar findings. Some scientists say the estimated number of cases of autism has increased 15-fold –1,500 percent – since 1991, when the number of childhood vaccinations doubled. Whereas one in every 2,500 children was diagnosed with autism before 1991, one in 166 children now have the disease.
This increase in reported autism cases eerily parallels the increase in the number and frequency of thimerosal-containing vaccinations administered to infants. As of today, children are given as many as 21 immunizations in the first 15 months of life. After a number of scientists and concerned activists noticed the correlation, an investigation was launched to get to the heart of the matter.
Statistical evidence links thimerosal with nervous system disorders
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/3603
Autism affects 500,000 to 1.5 million Americans and has grown at an annual rate of 10 to 17 percent since the late 1980s. California found a 273 percent increase in autism between 1987 and 1998. Maryland reported a 513 percent increase in autism between 1993 and 1998 and several dozen other states reported similar findings. Some scientists say the estimated number of cases of autism has increased 15-fold –1,500 percent – since 1991, when the number of childhood vaccinations doubled. Whereas one in every 2,500 children was diagnosed with autism before 1991, one in 166 children now have the disease.
This increase in reported autism cases eerily parallels the increase in the number and frequency of thimerosal-containing vaccinations administered to infants. As of today, children are given as many as 21 immunizations in the first 15 months of life. After a number of scientists and concerned activists noticed the correlation, an investigation was launched to get to the heart of the matter.
Statistical evidence links thimerosal with nervous system disorders
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/3603
I don't think there is any links, Autism is a condition you are either born with or not.
There is no evidence supporting the theories that vaccinations cause Autism. It is firmly believed by those researching Autism that it is in fact most probably a genetic condition.
My son did not have the MMR - I paid over £440 to have him immunised seperately.
My son IS autistic. He was born Autistic - i.e. he didn't sleep - constantly cried - could not be consoled with a cuddle - all autistic traits in babies.
However saying that, I'm sure that all the jabs babies have could well overload their systems and cause illness - but I highly doubt that it would cause mental illness.
There is no evidence supporting the theories that vaccinations cause Autism. It is firmly believed by those researching Autism that it is in fact most probably a genetic condition.
My son did not have the MMR - I paid over £440 to have him immunised seperately.
My son IS autistic. He was born Autistic - i.e. he didn't sleep - constantly cried - could not be consoled with a cuddle - all autistic traits in babies.
However saying that, I'm sure that all the jabs babies have could well overload their systems and cause illness - but I highly doubt that it would cause mental illness.
QUOTE (Sheri berri @ Mar 15 2006, 02:55 AM)
http://www.friendsofcwg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10733
PLEASE READ AND DISCUSS!!!!!!! Namaste sheri
Please if you have any storys of anyone who got autism or r******ed or a seizure disorder after the shots please share the story.....
PLEASE READ AND DISCUSS!!!!!!! Namaste sheri
Please if you have any storys of anyone who got autism or r******ed or a seizure disorder after the shots please share the story.....
My middle child a boy(5) has a form of Autism.He was born with this,he has all his vaccinations just like my other 2(the youngest,a girl)is actually highly intelligent.
I do understand where everyones concerns are coming from,although personally i have never heard of a a child developing Autism due to vaccinations
.r******ed or a seizure disorder in rare cases does happen,but what about the cases where those same out comes have occurred and they where not vaccinated 
.As already stated everyone reacts to things differently and pin pointing the cause is not always that simple.jmo 
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http://www.whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm
Encephalitis
Table of case-fatality rate of post-vaccinial encephalitis
[March 2007] Early fears about MMR in secret papers
Anna [MMR--paralysis, post vaccination encephalopathy]
Encephalitis: An acute inflammatory disease of the brain due to direct viral invasion or to hypersensitivity initiated by a virus or other foreign protein......Secondary encephalitis, usually a complication of viral infection, is considered to have an immunologic mechanism. Examples are encephalitides secondary to measles, chickenpox, rubella, smallpox vaccination, vaccinia, and many other less well defined viral infections. (Merck manual) http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section1...ter176/176c.htm
[March 2008] [SO THERE ARE MORE HANNAH POLINGS WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT? GOTCHA, JUDGE.--Dan Olmsted We were also compensated by the Federal Government in 2002. Our child suffered the same diagnosis after her routine immunizations. Encephalopathy with autistic like symptoms. I am not sure why people think this is the first case? Maybe they are just the first to go so public. I wonder how many other families have been compensated for the exact same symptoms? When we settled with the government I did not get the impression that we were that unique; quite the opposite as I spoke to the Special Master (the judge for the compensation program). - Misty Hiatt
"Today, there are about 150 vaccines being worked on, and within the next decade, we could have a flu vaccine for the left nostril and one for one right nostril. Mankind will be used as a pin cushion. For every vaccination, minimal encephalopathy destroys brain cells. As a result, in Germany, there are 1.2 million children who have contracted hyperkinetic syndrome who are then treated with Psychopharmeca (a drug similar to Ritalin) used to calm them down... We have hundreds of thousands of so-called minimal cerebral dysfunction cases and millions of neurodermatitis patients. In Germany, there are millions of people with allergies. We don’t just produce minimal encephalopathies in the brain, but we also produce modifications of the genetic code."--Dr Buchwald MD[Media Sept 2002] Bosnia halts using Unicef-donated DTP vaccines after baby contracts encephalitis'
"What could be the cause of so much encephalitis in the US population? The only possible cause is the childhood vaccination program. The pertussis and measles vaccines are particularly dangerous, but all the vaccines have made a certain contribution."--Harris Coulter
"The United States Public Health Bureau is extremely reticent about reporting diseases caused by vaccination but the report from 1922 to 1931 admitted that there had been 85 cases of post-vaccinal encephalitis, which DeKruif states "is the twin of infantile paralysis.""--Eleanor McBean
"He fell sick with a post-vaccination encephalitis, and ever since, I have a completely destroyed human being at home."--Dr G Buchwald MD
Encephalitis
Table of case-fatality rate of post-vaccinial encephalitis
[March 2007] Early fears about MMR in secret papers
Anna [MMR--paralysis, post vaccination encephalopathy]
Encephalitis: An acute inflammatory disease of the brain due to direct viral invasion or to hypersensitivity initiated by a virus or other foreign protein......Secondary encephalitis, usually a complication of viral infection, is considered to have an immunologic mechanism. Examples are encephalitides secondary to measles, chickenpox, rubella, smallpox vaccination, vaccinia, and many other less well defined viral infections. (Merck manual) http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section1...ter176/176c.htm
[March 2008] [SO THERE ARE MORE HANNAH POLINGS WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT? GOTCHA, JUDGE.--Dan Olmsted We were also compensated by the Federal Government in 2002. Our child suffered the same diagnosis after her routine immunizations. Encephalopathy with autistic like symptoms. I am not sure why people think this is the first case? Maybe they are just the first to go so public. I wonder how many other families have been compensated for the exact same symptoms? When we settled with the government I did not get the impression that we were that unique; quite the opposite as I spoke to the Special Master (the judge for the compensation program). - Misty Hiatt
"Today, there are about 150 vaccines being worked on, and within the next decade, we could have a flu vaccine for the left nostril and one for one right nostril. Mankind will be used as a pin cushion. For every vaccination, minimal encephalopathy destroys brain cells. As a result, in Germany, there are 1.2 million children who have contracted hyperkinetic syndrome who are then treated with Psychopharmeca (a drug similar to Ritalin) used to calm them down... We have hundreds of thousands of so-called minimal cerebral dysfunction cases and millions of neurodermatitis patients. In Germany, there are millions of people with allergies. We don’t just produce minimal encephalopathies in the brain, but we also produce modifications of the genetic code."--Dr Buchwald MD[Media Sept 2002] Bosnia halts using Unicef-donated DTP vaccines after baby contracts encephalitis'
"What could be the cause of so much encephalitis in the US population? The only possible cause is the childhood vaccination program. The pertussis and measles vaccines are particularly dangerous, but all the vaccines have made a certain contribution."--Harris Coulter
"The United States Public Health Bureau is extremely reticent about reporting diseases caused by vaccination but the report from 1922 to 1931 admitted that there had been 85 cases of post-vaccinal encephalitis, which DeKruif states "is the twin of infantile paralysis.""--Eleanor McBean
"He fell sick with a post-vaccination encephalitis, and ever since, I have a completely destroyed human being at home."--Dr G Buchwald MD
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Harris L. Coulter, Ph.D.
http://www.empiricaltherapies.com/
Medical historian Harris Coulter presents evidence to show that disabilities caused by vaccines are often "disguised" under different names: autism, dyslexia, learning disability, epilepsy, mental r******ation, hyperactivity & minimal brain dysfunction. Up to 25% of American schoolchildren suffer from "development disabilities". A classic.
'...It is the thesis of this remarkable book that early vaccinations can result in mild cases of sub-clinical encephalitis which, in turn, may well be responsible -- at least in part -- for the increase in autism, hyperactivity, dyslexia, sociopathy, and developmental disabilities, a rise that roughly coincides with the initiation of infant vaccinations. Coulter suggests further linkages to the increase in adolescent crime and suicide, and the decline in SAT scores.' Stanley Kripner, AHP, January 1993.
http://www.empiricaltherapies.com/
Medical historian Harris Coulter presents evidence to show that disabilities caused by vaccines are often "disguised" under different names: autism, dyslexia, learning disability, epilepsy, mental r******ation, hyperactivity & minimal brain dysfunction. Up to 25% of American schoolchildren suffer from "development disabilities". A classic.
'...It is the thesis of this remarkable book that early vaccinations can result in mild cases of sub-clinical encephalitis which, in turn, may well be responsible -- at least in part -- for the increase in autism, hyperactivity, dyslexia, sociopathy, and developmental disabilities, a rise that roughly coincides with the initiation of infant vaccinations. Coulter suggests further linkages to the increase in adolescent crime and suicide, and the decline in SAT scores.' Stanley Kripner, AHP, January 1993.
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Chap. 2: Vaccination Condemned
by Eleanor McBean
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/flu1918andnow07feb04.shtml
I WAS AN ON-THE-SPOT OBSERVER OF THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead the next. The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War 1. Practically the entire population had been injected "seeded" with a dozen or more diseases — or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic.
That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others, that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing disease.
When the flu was at its peak, all the stores were closed as well as the schools, businesses — even the hospital, as the doctors and nurses had been vaccinated too and were down with the flu. No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. We [who didn’t taken any vaccines] seemed to be the only family which didn’t get the flu; so my parents went from house to house doing what they could to look after the sick, as it was impossible to get a doctor then. If it were possible for germs, bacteria, virus, or bacilli to cause disease, they had plenty of opportunity to attack my parents when they were spending many hours a day in the sick rooms. But they didn’t get the flu and they didn’t bring any germs home to attack us children and cause anything. None of our family had the flu — not even a sniffle— and it was in the winter with deep snow on the ground.
It has been said that the 1918 flu epidemic killed 20,000,000 people throughout the world. But, actually, the doctors killed them with their crude and deadly treatments and drugs. This is a harsh accusation but it is nevertheless true, judging by the success of the drugless doctors in comparison with that of the medical doctors.
While the medical men and medical hospitals were losing 33% of their flu cases, the non-medical hospitals such as BATTLE CREEK, KELLOGG and MACFADDEN’S HEALTH-RESTORIUM were getting almost 100% healings with their water cure, baths, enemas, etc., fasting and certain other simple healing methods, followed by carefully worked out diets of natural foods. One health doctor didn’t lose a patient in eight years. The very successful health treatment of one of those drugless doctors who didn’t lose any patients will be given in the other part of this book, titled VACCINATION CONDEMNED, to be published a little later.
by Eleanor McBean
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/flu1918andnow07feb04.shtml
I WAS AN ON-THE-SPOT OBSERVER OF THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead the next. The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War 1. Practically the entire population had been injected "seeded" with a dozen or more diseases — or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic.
That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others, that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing disease.
When the flu was at its peak, all the stores were closed as well as the schools, businesses — even the hospital, as the doctors and nurses had been vaccinated too and were down with the flu. No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. We [who didn’t taken any vaccines] seemed to be the only family which didn’t get the flu; so my parents went from house to house doing what they could to look after the sick, as it was impossible to get a doctor then. If it were possible for germs, bacteria, virus, or bacilli to cause disease, they had plenty of opportunity to attack my parents when they were spending many hours a day in the sick rooms. But they didn’t get the flu and they didn’t bring any germs home to attack us children and cause anything. None of our family had the flu — not even a sniffle— and it was in the winter with deep snow on the ground.
It has been said that the 1918 flu epidemic killed 20,000,000 people throughout the world. But, actually, the doctors killed them with their crude and deadly treatments and drugs. This is a harsh accusation but it is nevertheless true, judging by the success of the drugless doctors in comparison with that of the medical doctors.
While the medical men and medical hospitals were losing 33% of their flu cases, the non-medical hospitals such as BATTLE CREEK, KELLOGG and MACFADDEN’S HEALTH-RESTORIUM were getting almost 100% healings with their water cure, baths, enemas, etc., fasting and certain other simple healing methods, followed by carefully worked out diets of natural foods. One health doctor didn’t lose a patient in eight years. The very successful health treatment of one of those drugless doctors who didn’t lose any patients will be given in the other part of this book, titled VACCINATION CONDEMNED, to be published a little later.
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http://www.arnoldsway.com/11-10-01.htm
Now let's look at the fact that that prior to 1796, according to Neil Z. Miller, the year Edward Jenner (not a doctor) began experimenting with a smallpox vaccine, epidemics were small and limited. "It was only after he came out with his vaccine that we began to have huge epidemics all over the world." Furthermore, according to Miller, to make these figures more unbelievable, "An overwhelming number of people who contracted smallpox were actually vaccinated against the disease."
So we look at these statistics, we look at the facts, we reread the articles in the NY Times. "Federal officials say there is no proof yet that killed virus vaccines are effective in protecting people from smallpox." So we have all this information on both the uncertainty of the effectiveness of the smallpox vaccine and the potential dangers of both killed virus and live virus. The NY Times states that the vaccine, "poses a high risk of side effects even for healthy people and people with immune system difficulties or serious skin ailments."
Now let's look at the fact that that prior to 1796, according to Neil Z. Miller, the year Edward Jenner (not a doctor) began experimenting with a smallpox vaccine, epidemics were small and limited. "It was only after he came out with his vaccine that we began to have huge epidemics all over the world." Furthermore, according to Miller, to make these figures more unbelievable, "An overwhelming number of people who contracted smallpox were actually vaccinated against the disease."
So we look at these statistics, we look at the facts, we reread the articles in the NY Times. "Federal officials say there is no proof yet that killed virus vaccines are effective in protecting people from smallpox." So we have all this information on both the uncertainty of the effectiveness of the smallpox vaccine and the potential dangers of both killed virus and live virus. The NY Times states that the vaccine, "poses a high risk of side effects even for healthy people and people with immune system difficulties or serious skin ailments."
THE POISONED NEEDLE
Suppressed Facts About Vaccination
By
Eleanor McBean
1957
http://documents.governamerica.com/poisoned_needle.html
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Mar 14 2008, 09:14 AM)
THE POISONED NEEDLE
Suppressed Facts About Vaccination
By
Eleanor McBean
1957
http://documents.governamerica.com/poisoned_needle.html
Suppressed Facts About Vaccination
By
Eleanor McBean
1957
http://documents.governamerica.com/poisoned_needle.html
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Federal officials say there is no proof yet that killed virus vaccines are effective in protecting people from smallpox.
If the smallpox vaccine did not work, WHY DOES SMALLPOX NO LONGER EXIST OUTSIDE THE LAB?!
And PLEASE enlighten me, HOW on EARTH would vaccination cause epidemics? This whole thread is... ugh. YES there are sometimes side effects of vaccinations but i just can't understand the idiocy people latch onto regarding this.
QUOTE (Torgo @ Mar , 08:48 AM)
If the smallpox vaccine did not work, WHY DOES SMALLPOX NO LONGER EXIST OUTSIDE THE LAB?!
And PLEASE enlighten me, HOW on EARTH would vaccination cause epidemics? This whole thread is... ugh. YES there are sometimes side effects of vaccinations but i just can't understand the idiocy people latch onto regarding this.
And PLEASE enlighten me, HOW on EARTH would vaccination cause epidemics? This whole thread is... ugh. YES there are sometimes side effects of vaccinations but i just can't understand the idiocy people latch onto regarding this.
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http://chetday.com/smallpoxepidemic.htm
Transmission of smallpox occurs only after intense contact, defined as “constant exposure of a person that is within 6-7 feet for a minimum of 6-7 days.”[5] Dr. Orenstein reported that in Africa, 92% of all cases came from close associations and, in India, all cases came from prolonged personal contact.
Dr. Tom Mack from the University of Southern California stated that in Pakistan, 27% of cases demonstrated no transmission to close associates. Nearly 37% had a transmission of only one generation, meaning that the second person to contract smallpox did not pass it onto the third person. These statistics directly contradict models that predict an exponential spread to millions.
Even without medical care, isolation was the best way to stop the spread of smallpox in Third World, population dense areas. With a slow transmission rate and an informed public, Mack estimated that the total number of smallpox cases in America would be less than 10, a far cry from the millions postulated by the press.
Dr. Kuritsky said at the CDC Public Forum on Smallpox on June 8 in St. Louis, “Given the slow transmission rate and that people need to be in close contact for nearly a week to spread the infection, the scenario in which a terrorist could infect himself with smallpox and contaminate an entire city by walking through the streets touching people is purely fiction.”
Amazingly, he revealed his opinion that even without mass vaccination, “smallpox would have died out anyway. It just would have taken longer.”
Point to ponder:
Mass vaccination was halted in Third World countries because it didn’t work. In India, villages with an 88% vaccination rate still had outbreaks. After the World Health Organization began a surveillance and containment campaign, actively seeking cases of smallpox, isolating them in their homes, and vaccinating family members and close contacts, outbreaks were virtually eliminated within two years.
The CDC and the WHO organization attribute the eradication of smallpox to the ring vaccination of close contacts. However, since the infection runs its course in 3-6 weeks, perhaps ISOLATION ALONE would have effectively accomplished the same thing.
It is important to note that there are several different presentations of a smallpox infection. The most common is called “ordinary discrete” smallpox, occurring in more than 40% of the cases. The outbreak is seen as a small scattering of pustules distributed across the body. The person with this type of smallpox needs minimal medical care and the reported death rate is <10%.[9]
sounds a lot like shingles....
Transmission of smallpox occurs only after intense contact, defined as “constant exposure of a person that is within 6-7 feet for a minimum of 6-7 days.”[5] Dr. Orenstein reported that in Africa, 92% of all cases came from close associations and, in India, all cases came from prolonged personal contact.
Dr. Tom Mack from the University of Southern California stated that in Pakistan, 27% of cases demonstrated no transmission to close associates. Nearly 37% had a transmission of only one generation, meaning that the second person to contract smallpox did not pass it onto the third person. These statistics directly contradict models that predict an exponential spread to millions.
Even without medical care, isolation was the best way to stop the spread of smallpox in Third World, population dense areas. With a slow transmission rate and an informed public, Mack estimated that the total number of smallpox cases in America would be less than 10, a far cry from the millions postulated by the press.
Dr. Kuritsky said at the CDC Public Forum on Smallpox on June 8 in St. Louis, “Given the slow transmission rate and that people need to be in close contact for nearly a week to spread the infection, the scenario in which a terrorist could infect himself with smallpox and contaminate an entire city by walking through the streets touching people is purely fiction.”
Amazingly, he revealed his opinion that even without mass vaccination, “smallpox would have died out anyway. It just would have taken longer.”
Point to ponder:
Mass vaccination was halted in Third World countries because it didn’t work. In India, villages with an 88% vaccination rate still had outbreaks. After the World Health Organization began a surveillance and containment campaign, actively seeking cases of smallpox, isolating them in their homes, and vaccinating family members and close contacts, outbreaks were virtually eliminated within two years.
The CDC and the WHO organization attribute the eradication of smallpox to the ring vaccination of close contacts. However, since the infection runs its course in 3-6 weeks, perhaps ISOLATION ALONE would have effectively accomplished the same thing.
It is important to note that there are several different presentations of a smallpox infection. The most common is called “ordinary discrete” smallpox, occurring in more than 40% of the cases. The outbreak is seen as a small scattering of pustules distributed across the body. The person with this type of smallpox needs minimal medical care and the reported death rate is <10%.[9]
sounds a lot like shingles....http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/PrintablePage...,20041,,00.html
smallpox and and adult chickenpox
http://www.uic.edu/sph/prepare/courses/ph4...sources/pox.htm
http://www.kmbc.com/news//detail.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUKN
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http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G.html
When a cattle breeder named Benjamin Jesty supposedly found himself immune to smallpox after having contracted cowpox from his own cows, he decided to inoculate his entire family with cowpox lesions. This was in 1774. Such a procedure was well known to the populace, since the practice of inoculation with the actual smallpox virus had been popular in England since the 1740s, with often deadly results. Twenty years after Jesty and others experimented on themselves with cowpox inoculations, Edward Jenner, a notorious self-promoter, went a step further. He inoculated a child with cowpox and then injected the child with a deadly dose of smallpox. Luckily, the child did not die. This experiment led Jenner to publicize his theory of vaccination in 1796, which quickly became an accepted and required practice without any scientific experimentation or medical studies to prove the vaccine's effectiveness.
Despite the initial widespread popularity of vaccination, no one actually proved that the cowpox vaccine prevented smallpox, and many critics insisted that the vaccine did not work. Physicians were especially skeptical about the ability of cowpox to prevent smallpox, even lithe populace was quick to adopt a variety of superstitions to prevent diseases. Jenner's proof consisted of locating farmers who had previously contracted cowpox and never came down with smallpox. Then he inoculated them with material from smallpox lesions to see if the vaccine would produce a reaction. When it did not he claimed this proved his theory. However, it only proved that these farmers did have antibodies and resistance to smallpox, which they could have acquired from previous exposure to the disease. Not everyone exposed will suffer the consequences of obvious infections. Physicians came forward with hundreds of cases where an individual farmer had contracted cowpox from cows, but later developed smallpox nonetheless. Jenner dis missed these claims out of hand. Perhaps the medical profession's terrible experience using inoculation with material from an actual smallpox lesion and subsequent deaths created a situation where authorities felt desperate to adopt a safer alternative. As it turned out, the death rate caused by cowpox vaccination was lower than results with the previous smallpox inoculation. Cowpox was clearly a safer substance, and hopes ran high that it would work. It was only after the vaccination campaign was in full swing that the dangers of the new vaccine came to light, and its failings became widely disseminated.
What's in that vial?
Early doubts about the vaccine's efficacy focused on its questionable source. It was hard for anyone to imagine that pustular lesions from a cow's udder could prevent disease in humans. There was a natural and understandable aversion to applying such noxious material to one's skin. Jenner attempted to use material from horses' infections, the now extinct disease known as horse grease. When this was poorly accepted he reverted back to the use of material from cows. In fact, the new cowpox vaccination often did transfer other contagious and deadly diseases to recipients, especially syphilis, leprosy, and tuberculosis. The populations of England and continental Europe were well acquainted with the extreme danger of using vaccine prepared from the actual smallpox disease (variolation), which was outlawed in England in 1840, and they were loathe to accept any other form of inoculation with diseased material. Vaccination was often forced upon a population that would otherwise judiciously refuse it.
The transfer of a secondary disease is not unique to smallpox vaccination. During the modern era, several diseases have been transferred to vaccine recipients including a monkey virus that has caused innumerable cases of cancer, even 40 years later, from a contaminated polio vaccine given in the 1960s, stealth viruses that cause chronic fatigue syndrome, and possibly the AIDS virus through a live polio vaccine campaign in the Congo (Neustaedter, 2002).
When a cattle breeder named Benjamin Jesty supposedly found himself immune to smallpox after having contracted cowpox from his own cows, he decided to inoculate his entire family with cowpox lesions. This was in 1774. Such a procedure was well known to the populace, since the practice of inoculation with the actual smallpox virus had been popular in England since the 1740s, with often deadly results. Twenty years after Jesty and others experimented on themselves with cowpox inoculations, Edward Jenner, a notorious self-promoter, went a step further. He inoculated a child with cowpox and then injected the child with a deadly dose of smallpox. Luckily, the child did not die. This experiment led Jenner to publicize his theory of vaccination in 1796, which quickly became an accepted and required practice without any scientific experimentation or medical studies to prove the vaccine's effectiveness.
Despite the initial widespread popularity of vaccination, no one actually proved that the cowpox vaccine prevented smallpox, and many critics insisted that the vaccine did not work. Physicians were especially skeptical about the ability of cowpox to prevent smallpox, even lithe populace was quick to adopt a variety of superstitions to prevent diseases. Jenner's proof consisted of locating farmers who had previously contracted cowpox and never came down with smallpox. Then he inoculated them with material from smallpox lesions to see if the vaccine would produce a reaction. When it did not he claimed this proved his theory. However, it only proved that these farmers did have antibodies and resistance to smallpox, which they could have acquired from previous exposure to the disease. Not everyone exposed will suffer the consequences of obvious infections. Physicians came forward with hundreds of cases where an individual farmer had contracted cowpox from cows, but later developed smallpox nonetheless. Jenner dis missed these claims out of hand. Perhaps the medical profession's terrible experience using inoculation with material from an actual smallpox lesion and subsequent deaths created a situation where authorities felt desperate to adopt a safer alternative. As it turned out, the death rate caused by cowpox vaccination was lower than results with the previous smallpox inoculation. Cowpox was clearly a safer substance, and hopes ran high that it would work. It was only after the vaccination campaign was in full swing that the dangers of the new vaccine came to light, and its failings became widely disseminated.
What's in that vial?
Early doubts about the vaccine's efficacy focused on its questionable source. It was hard for anyone to imagine that pustular lesions from a cow's udder could prevent disease in humans. There was a natural and understandable aversion to applying such noxious material to one's skin. Jenner attempted to use material from horses' infections, the now extinct disease known as horse grease. When this was poorly accepted he reverted back to the use of material from cows. In fact, the new cowpox vaccination often did transfer other contagious and deadly diseases to recipients, especially syphilis, leprosy, and tuberculosis. The populations of England and continental Europe were well acquainted with the extreme danger of using vaccine prepared from the actual smallpox disease (variolation), which was outlawed in England in 1840, and they were loathe to accept any other form of inoculation with diseased material. Vaccination was often forced upon a population that would otherwise judiciously refuse it.
The transfer of a secondary disease is not unique to smallpox vaccination. During the modern era, several diseases have been transferred to vaccine recipients including a monkey virus that has caused innumerable cases of cancer, even 40 years later, from a contaminated polio vaccine given in the 1960s, stealth viruses that cause chronic fatigue syndrome, and possibly the AIDS virus through a live polio vaccine campaign in the Congo (Neustaedter, 2002).
http://www.viewzone.com/sv40.html
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011
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Merk drug company vaccines admits injecting cancer viruses
This stunning censored interview conducted by medical historian Edward Shorter for WGBH public television (Boston) and Blackwell Science was cut from The Health Century due to its huge liability--the admission that Merck drug company vaccines have traditionally been injecting cancer viruses (SV40 and others) in people worldwide.
This segment of In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism, produced and freely contributed by consumer protector and public health expert, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, features the world's leading vaccine expert, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who explains why Merck's vaccines have spread AIDS, leukemia, and other horrific plagues worldwide.
Please forward this clip (link) to everyone you know who thinks vaccines are "safe and effective."
This stunning censored interview conducted by medical historian Edward Shorter for WGBH public television (Boston) and Blackwell Science was cut from The Health Century due to its huge liability--the admission that Merck drug company vaccines have traditionally been injecting cancer viruses (SV40 and others) in people worldwide.
This segment of In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism, produced and freely contributed by consumer protector and public health expert, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, features the world's leading vaccine expert, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who explains why Merck's vaccines have spread AIDS, leukemia, and other horrific plagues worldwide.
Please forward this clip (link) to everyone you know who thinks vaccines are "safe and effective."
Anyone reading this to help decide on whether to vaccinate your children or not, please disregard this entire thing and talk to your medical professional. There is a very good reason you pay someone who went to medical school for medical advice not something you found on website. This topic is a train wreck if incorrect information and unsafe suggestions.
Agreed.
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