Since the mid-1970s, UFO investigators worldwide have been bewildered by the many hundreds of clear daytime UFO photos and the movie films taken by the Swiss contactee, Eduard “Billy” Meier. Many rejected Meier’s abundant photographic (and other hard physical) evidence as being too good to be true. Heavy debunking of the case ensued, despite all the evidence from the primary investigators from 1975-1986, and authentication by various scientists and experts, that the case could be no hoax. But the photo from which the image on the left was recently cropped went largely overlooked. Meier took it, along with many other shots, in the hills of Switzerland some 15 miles southeast of Zurich, in 1981, long before personal computers and photo-manipulation software were readily available.Regarding the tree in front of the craft’s right side, Professor Emeritus D. A. Brodie of the College of Forestry, Oregon State University, said: "The tree is one of the European true firs -- Abies species. The picture has only a portion of the top of the crown, 10 to 15 feet. There could be anywhere from 10 to 50 feet of tree bole below the picture." The extent of the tree above the UFO is estimated by Professor E. C. Jensen, College of Forestry, Oregon State University, to be between 6-10 ft.

This yields a UFO diameter of from 9 to 15 ft., ruling out a model UFO, a possibility that must always be considered.A recent attempt by a professional model maker/photographer to duplicate Meier’s photos (and daytime video) of this UFO (commonly referred to as the “Wedding Cake” UFO) has failed, as have past efforts by a variety of skeptics dating back to at least 2001. While there are six categories of physical evidence in the case that are referred to as “still irreproducible,” there is a voluminous amount of prophetically accurate, published information also to be reckoned with in the case, as well as some 88 eyewitnesses (and five other photographers) who can affirm that Meier is a genuine UFO contactee.

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A cant call the photo a hoax because I dont have all the information. But it does look a bit B-Movie to me.

Looks like a flying wedding cake?

what about layering of photographs using transperencies? I am a digital artist with some traditional photography experiance, by hobby of course. Anyway, it just seems as though there are 3 separate pictures in there. 1 is the backgroung forest, 2 is s transparency with a model UFO on it, and 3, is a transparency with the forground tree printed on it. Once all three layers are put on top of each other, a photo can be taken of the layered transparencies.

The only problem with my theory is the abscense of specularity which would accompany the plastic of a transparency sheet. But that could be easily reduced using a camera filter of some kind.

Just a thought!!

Having a Diploma in Film and Video i would say that is a good point but raises 2 more.
1- why bother? that is a lot of effort.
2 - lets not forget there aparently a daytime video of this craft as well.

Also, does anyone have a link to the full photograph?

Faked to the max! It looks like something from the 1980's so corny lol

this is so easy to debunk....the craft is placed in the actuall tree...stuck between tree limbs...this is too fake.

still even if its a hoax. the dude still deserves an investigation on his case. I used to think this case was real. That it really did happen. But now I don't know what to think. I hate not knowing what to think or believe. It's so frustrating.

It looks more like a fountain without a statue on top of it. Too bad the quality isn't so good.

I personally find it hard to trust any proof coming from the hands of Meier,but we should all be open-minded on the matter anyway.The picture indeed looks fake(maybe beacuse it is too good to be true)and I don't think it would be that challenging to produce a photo like that even in 80s,but who knows...

Answers to your 2 questions below:
1.) He could very well be a full fledged nut job wanting publicity for finding the best UFO pic and footage in the world.
2.) Video could be done quite easily using stop-motion photography if used skillfully. The same effect is used in 3D animation in which each frame a still image changed slightly.

I have to say that this is a pitiful attempt at a hoax.

Total hoax.... the aliens would most likely not waste their resources flying around his land for no reason... in crafts that have never been seen anywhere else in the world...

critics claim there exist many examples of forgery such as focus problems and light-direction problems, both signs of cut-and-paste or model work.

Other critics claim to have shown that one "beamship" picture appears to be a pie tin, another shows small machine bolts on the bottom, that a picture of his Pleiadian alien contact Semjase was a model from a Sears catalog, and another Pleiadian was an actress from the Dean Martin TV Show.

Perhaps the most damning evidence in the skeptics' view was submitted from a reporter investigating Meier's story, who claims to have found negatives clearly showing the models on a table. Meier explains these as being test photos to assist investigators attempting to reconstruct the possibility of faked photographs.

Billy Meier

I think that the photo is clear enough that it should show some light. Surprisingly, there is no beams under it, or coming off any of the layers. The roundish knobs on the upper deck almost give the appearance of windows, yet as large as the craft appears, you can't see any light coming off of it anywhere. I would guess that "they" would advance like we would.
This comes off as a "model t" (very old). If I was a visiting alien, I'd be embarrased to be seen in it! ;-)

Worse way to debunk something is the way you just did, lol. Assuming the Aliens think like you, and if you wouldn't fly that craft at that location, neither would they!

One would then wonder how it was that Mr. Meier came to be positioned just so, so as to take a picture at this angle and in such a proximity to the craft. Is there any indicators to discern whether this craft was actually moving at the time?

Not knowing the history of photography, did they have a semblance of a "zoom" lens in the day when this was snapped?

*perhaps I missed the notice, however can someone tell me how the words; "history of photography" in my sentence garnered a link that I did not apply!?

I can't believe anyone would take this photo seriously!


Umm... Someone could make a model 100 feet if they wanted to. Why do these people it's impossible to make a 15ft model?!?

I have never seen a real UFO so what I'm about to say isn't necessarily valid. But that pic is so fake it's not even funny.

Ahhh wasnt one of the points of this artical to dissprove that idea? That it could not simple be a model, that if it is indeed a hox its a more elaborate one than that.

Anyone find the video to this yet?

In regards to this recent Post
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewnews.php?id=64300

Well first of all from there it looks kinda like the base fo an elaborate candle holder.

But yea jsut to completely destroy the notion that this could actually be a flying saucer:

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LOL

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-UA

Oh and look at these:

in every single shot (except one) it looks like this flying saucer has been attached to a tree

http://www.tjresearch.info/Wedcake.htm

LOL Lame.. how could anyone take this seriously.

They do look extremley fake.

But what if they are real? Wouldn't we say the same about any ufo photo that was this clear?

oh. ok this is way to confussing. first i thought this case was real. then i thought this case was fake. now i'm not so sure out to think.

HELP!!!!!!!!

It stinks that he didn't take any pics of the people who contacted him. then this case would have probably have been more believable.

Notice on the car picture how the UFO is alot bigger than the car yet in the other photo it fits in the drive way with some space....also if you look at the drive way the way the UFO is facing doesn't fit the way the floor is. Anyway I do believe there is something to Meier's case because of the amount of other evidence. I believe he faked most of the photo's if not all for some reason because there is eye witness accounts and other evidence that can't be washed away.

so there very well could be some truth to his case.

critics claim there exist many examples of forgery such as focus problems and light-direction problems, both signs of cut-and-paste or model work.

Other critics claim to have shown that one "beamship" picture appears to be a pie tin, another shows small machine bolts on the bottom, that a picture of his Pleiadian alien contact Semjase was a model from a Sears catalog, and another Pleiadian was an actress from the Dean Martin TV Show.

Billy Meier

Yeah I do believe there is something to Billy Meier's case because people who have met him say he is not the person to go this far and fake something, they say he's a calm, gentle and friendly person. I mean and also how could anyone keep this up for so long I mean after an assasination attempt...I'd put my hands up and go yes it was a joke...PLEASE DON'T KILL ME!

Have you heard of the story of some police chief or something who gave Meier a real hard to time killed himself after he went to Billy's ranch and bumped into one of the aliens (apparantly an 8 ft tall man). He killed himself because he couldn't live with himself after he treated Billy really badly and finding out he was telling the truth all along, stuff like that makes me believe. Also I read somewhere about the jet fighter who bumped into one of the beamships where the jet pilot confirms Billy's story, also a rock show who saw lights in the sky near Billy's farm house.

wow. tell me more. i wanna know more. this is defineatly of interest to me.

is there any books about the 8 feet tall dude. and the one about the pilot. and the rock show.

Getting rather late, but type Billy Meier in Google he has some great sites devoted to him...I'd really like to pop to his ranch one time so I could really see the whole thing for myself...maybe see a beamship if I'm very lucky

oh great. I don't want to do that because all of the stuff that comes up here on the internet about is just plain crap. it's always debunking. And I'm getting tired and sick of everyone debunking his story. it's so annoying. Why can't they just shut up. Every book I buy in the store or on the internet which would be two. one I read the other i didn't because it was written by this skeptic who just couldn't keep his mouth shut. Anyway, the books make me so confussed on what to believe. It's so uncomfortable. I don't like it one bit. If you can give me a website or something that doesn't have crap from debunkers on it. I would be happy to go to it and read it. But other then that I will read nothing on this case.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything I'm just saying there's a lot of crap on the internet these days. so please don't take it personally.

All of this thread helps to show that photographs are not good evidence. They can always be faked. Much more reliable is the testimony of human witnesses.

The predictions of Enoch are all too believable with idiots like Bush in power in the USA. Fortunately, we have less than 3 years before he is off to retirement. All in all, it makes me glad that I am an old dude, not likely to see America become the bad guy. Or maybe it is too late for that.

~~~Cebrakon

like the one in my country

Well, if this guys a hoaxer, he should be up to snuff considering how much material he has. Therefore he should be able to get over any minor setbacks in sandwiching the negatives or using another technique to print it. Now, if they come up with the neg's, he's either telling the truth or better than I was giving him credit for. Speaking of which, he really should have kept all the negs if he was looking for credibility. Anyone know if they have looked over them?

Not every site has debunkers on, there are some rather informative sites out there...

Anyway I read somewhere that Meier's time travel and space travel photos weren't even taken by him and were made to debunk him, he even said himself he never took these photos.

LOL imagine how pissed off you would be if you were the person who took the clearest photos of a UFO in history and nobody believed you because they were "too clear". You walk around with vasaline covering your camera lens from then on just to dirty up your next pics.

Great site. Some of the most hysterically lame UFO hoax photos I've ever seen.

Here's a couple:





The only tree around! I wonder if he used duct tape?



BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!@# Nice model car AND tree!!!



Apparently Billy could jump REALLY high....

That craft, or model, or whatever it is looks cheesey and dated. You'd think highly advanced aliens would design something better lookin' or more streamlined. I wouldn't want to fly that think into our atmosphere. The friction alone would melt the sucker.
*shrugs*

wow. that's shocking to know. can you give me one of the websites that has very informative information about this case.

http://www.tjresearch.info/ufology.htm

This is a good place to start, very informative.

I ain't really interested in this case because of the photo's because if it was just down the photo's I wouldn't be interesting in this case as it wouldn't be a case. It's just if you read up abit on this guy on the net there is some rather peculiar and if true absolutly unfakable stuff that eye witnesses have seen...I mean remember he does only have one arm.

Excellent web site.

~~~Cebrakon

ok i'll check it out. thanks.

I like the fake photos.

I think this case deserves a fair proper investigation. Then what it has gotten in the past. Because I'm just thinking maybe just maybe his story is true. I'm open minded to that possibility that his story might be real.

until there's not a proper fair investigation on this case. I'm stuck on what to believe. But i'm very close to the edge of believing that this story is true. you should read the link that snake gave me. it has some rather interesting stuff there. also read the investigation on the fir tree.

In the mean time. I'll be doing my own research and investigation on this case. By myself.

When I'm done I'll share with you what I've come up with. But don't expect it anytime soon. Because something like this takes time. So patience is a verchue. So to speak. sorry i'm a bad speller.

I would like say I'm astonished that anyone could be that dumb to produce fake pics that obvious and dumber to believe in them.

I'm not saying I believe in them. I'm just saying that we need to keep an open mind about this kinda stuff. cause ya just don't know.

Right you are,but the ones posted on page 3 are so obviously fake that I couldn't help but wonder if anyone really did believe in them.
Damn hoaxers

i hope your not mad at me. I'm sorry if i've done anything wrong to offende you. allthough i can't think of anything that i've done wrong.

but sorry just the same.

Relak McKenna,I'm not mad or offended
I just hate people who constantly and deliberately try to fool people with fakes and I consider Meier to be one of them.