Am I the only one who thinks Nuclear Hollocast is not going to happen? Just doesnt make sence to me. Why not fight it out like all wars have been for centurys? More money in it that way! Wtf so how would it start anyways? China goes lets bomb usa for not giving us water and usa goes bomb em back until neither countrys have anything?? Sorry I am just not buying that. I think all rich people are in it together and I think Chinese polliticians love america because it makes them lots of money! Why destroy america? Why destroy any of them? All the people in power enjoy being rich in power together... It really is just one super power policing everyone els....Why bomb themselves?

I don't think it will happen, countries aren't that stupid, however if it does happen i believe it will be due to terrorists. If terrorist get their hands on nuclear weapons and detonate them in major cities it is possible that it will start of avalanche of blaming other countries for the attacks, and then yes, it could end in disaster.

I worry more about Iran using nukes, say on Israel, then we (the US) would have a hell of a time convincing Israel not to retaliate in kind.

I also worry that a terrorist cell will get ahold of a nuke or two and use them either in the US or one of our allies. Worse yet, in one of the none allied countries and then try to blame it on the US.

It's kinda funny - seems these days more and more countries have nukes and yet I would be completely surprised if one actually got launched at something other than water. Most likely this is because I don't have much to worry about, living in an area that likely wouldn't get targeted, but since the Cold War ended, I just can't envision seeing nukes being used at all.

I think nukes are far more useful as a threat. If they were ever to be used, the entire world would be all over the offending country like white on rice.

Personally, the only way I see a nuclear war starting is if one country attacks another major nuclear power, and is on the verge of winning. Say, if China attacks the US, and the US is about to lose, it probably has a scortched Earth policy... a kind of "if I cant have it, no one can". Thats also the reason I dont forsee a conflict like this ever happening.

During the Cold War it was NATO policy to fire the nuke first. If the soviets had crossed from East to West German a nuclear first strike using short range weapons would have been ordered against the advancing Soviet army. This was the so called limited nuclear option however it would almost certainly have escalated into full scale nuclear conflict. Here is the basis of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. It is credited with keeping the peace during the Cold War. If either side attacked the other then both would be destroyed.

The only protection against a nuclear attack is the abillity to retaliate. India and Pakistan recently pulled back from war because both have the bomb.

Remember the only nuclear attacks ever were by the United States against Japan. These were effective because Japan could not retaliate. This was a unique set of cirumstances because America was not a nuclear power when it was attacked by the Japanese.

Whilst it scares me that Iran is developing a nuclear capabillity I am not surprised. The fact that Israel developed nuclear weapons was bound to start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Just because Iran is developing this weapon it does not mean that they will use it. All the rhetoric about wiping Israel of the face of the Earth is probably just hot air. Iran knows that were it to attack Israel it would be annihilated. This will not change even if Iran does get the bomb.

For the above reasons I don't think there will be a nuclear war. However a nuclear attack by a terrorist group is another matter. As modern global terroists do not operate from a single nation where could you retaliate against. Even if Al Queda had used a nuclear attack against New York it is highly unlikely that the USA would have been able to justify a nuclear retaliation against Afganistan. Hence the terrorist does not have to fear the second strike and is far more likely to initiate a first strike.

Whilst a terrorist nuclear attack would be a horrendous thing leaving tens of thousand, hundreds of thousands or even millions dead it is not going to lead to the nightmare of doomsday, the threat of which hung over this planet for decades.

Doh, my mistake!!

Dude I am talking about the people pointing nukes at eachother not the people who replied to my thread.

HELLO????

I doubt it will happen, but just in case i have my secret bunker four hundred feet under the earth. But seriously I highly doubt any country would launch a nuke at another country. ANd even if it does happen it probably wont be in our time anyways.

Hope I don`t offend anyone with this post.

If there will be a nucliear war USA would win anyways.

It`s like Iraq. America attacked Iraq because Bush said they had starting to produce nuclear-weapons... and so ?... USA got thousands of Nucliear-Weapons.

USA didn't get any nuclear weapons from Iraq.
What world have you been living in?
I don't think the US would win anything if it came to WMD's.
You know Russia has got to have an Unknown amount of WMD
because I don't think they would sit by and have the US collect them all.

I think you misounderstood, what I was meaning to say wasn`t that USA got nukes from Iraq, but that USA have a lot of them, but when Iraq started to make nukes themself USA became angry.

Iraq wasn't developing nukes. They were, however, building WMDs; WMDs aren't neccessarily nuclear bombs. Iraq did have biological and chemical WMDs, but not nukes.

Sorry, my mistake.

You know how easy it would be to stuff bottles of explosive chemicals
next to my crotch, get into a comercial liner, then set it off?
With the utmost of ease.

American security is no better than it was 30 years ago.

At the end of the day a nuclear war would be the most idiotic, ridiculous thing the human race could ever do. No matter how fanatical anyone is they must surly realize this.
It wouldn't matter how many nukes a country would have it would simply boil down to who attacks first as a country could be crippled with three of four well placed strikes. But anyone who even considers nuclear attack as an option is out of their box, you might as well have a big red button "Press this to destroy the world"!

I think the two biggest dangers lie in Pakistan and Iran, because of the governments in power have close ties to terrorist groups.

Hollocast? Yes. Holocaust? I doubt it.

Ah pakistan and india might get stupid.

الله أكبر God is the greatest would be the english translation, pronounced ALLAH AKBAR in the native tongue...

Nuclear war or the use of nuclear weapons seems inevitable. Mankind has yet to NOT use a weapon it has developed and built. As a species we too seem to have this wonderfully blind capacity to forget our past. That same past contains the usage of nuclear weapons by none other than our own country. And why? Why did we use not one, but two bombs? To avoid the massive cost of American life it would've taken to finally defeat the mainland Japan defenses.

The more weapons there are, the increased likelihood that someone will cross the line and use what they possess. The basic problem is that there are 3 fundamentalist mentalities now at work and war in the Middle East. The nation of Israel, Zionist by definition (that is, a nation named for a hill in the Jerusalem region that supposedly was given by a God to that one particular branch of mankind) meaning that their race has some inherently greater purpose or claim of superiority due to the will of a Creator; the Islaamic nations, built upon a similar supposition that that same deity has 'smiled' upon and granted the true believers in a faith based upon the teachings of a zealot and radical misogynist and therefore empowering those same faithful to see all others as not having the same rights to belief or life; and finally, the Christian groups - from Catholicism to Baptists, Lutherans to whatever other sect of Jesus based faith - all agreed that their view of a religion based upon the life of yet another social radical and causer of unrest (to mostly the Jewish community from which he sprang) too makes them superior to any other race of man upon this earth. All 3 of these great (or in my thoughts, not so great at all) paths of philosophy are literally at war right now in the Middle East. Guns and bombs are killing right as I write this in that area of the world.

Is it so hard to think or imagine that one group or the other will feel their back to the wall or think "what the hell, lets finish this"? I see it as all too possible a scenario. With such myopic viewpoints, all based on religion - the worst bane to ever infect mankind other than viral or bacterial disease - I find I am just waiting for it to occur. May the gods save all those idiots, whichever god it may happen to be.

But that is merely my opinion.

Rumors are that Bush has been pushing the stop to deactivating nukes. True? I don't know.



I hope if we do brake out into a global wide Nuclear War that I die with it. The afterworks of it with be catastrophical. A Nuclear Winter with arouse upon the Earth. It will rain ash from the sky and forests with deteriorate(from what's already left of them).

The air will be so radial that if you breath it you with faint in exhaustion or just die as it goes to your brain through your nose.


You will not be able to leave indoors(What's left of that) for about 4 years. Good luck with food.

So, I get extremely angry when I hear kids in my grade(I'm 13 so that makes me in eigth grade) say that we should just Nuke Iraq. They're retarded. Iraq has friends like Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has friends like Korea who has friends like Russia. Russia(take comfort to this) has right now 32 nukes pointed at our country. We have some pointed at them as well.



The world is coming to an end.....it cannot redeem itself with all this catastrophical tension. I will sigh in relief when the ignorance of people today who have denied the Lord and done so much to sin are proven wrong. Are shown that they were no more than people who followed a crowd.

...................................One day.

You people must all be very young.
The economic powers would never allow a full scale nuclear confrontation. Just as they didn't during the cold war.
USSR nukes are virtually out of date and it's doubtful they would work (nukes are generally considered to have a ten year life span before replenishment/revitalization)

Addressing another comment herein: yes, there are weapons available that we have not used, and those weapons will not be used: they are too easy to build and deploy, and are far too destructive. Consequently, those weapons will be kept completely secret.
Don't believe me? Figures. But those are the facts.

I believe people make nukes to threat other people.


Also my science teacher said that all nukes are controlled by a computer so if 1 is fired, all of them are fired causing world devestation. Either that or my science teacher lied to me.

I'm not really sure why this topic is in the Science & Technology forum as it seems to more polictical in its nature so I'm moving it to the World Events & Current Affairs

Waspie_Dwarf

Have you forgotten about all the Minutemen Missiles and the ICBM's that are used (*or supposedly used) in taking down these fired nukes? Now it's never happened, but I'm sure we could knock a few nukes out of the sky before they landed down here on US soil...

Just think....

World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones....

That is if anyone survives the fallout and the nuclear winter....

But you are forgetting. No one threatened to use wipe out a whole country either. I think we have finally gotten what we always dreaded that we might get. The Iranian President is crazy enough to use them. I don't think he is making idle threats.

Too bad the detectors would set them off and you better watch what you say

It's an idle threat. Israel has nuclear weapons Iran doesn't.

If a nuclear war does start, it'll start with North Korea attacking South Korea. Technically they're still at war - the Korean war ended in a ceasefire. People talk about Iran's leader being crazy. Well they're leader is crazy but mst of the people aren't. NK has brainwashed all their people - their leader is crazy and so are the people!

Well, we cold war kids know what to do anyway - under the desk, hands over the head - no problem.

The difference now, as I see it, is that the people who had nukes before didn't want to die so they just used them to posture and threaten. But think of all these extremists who think it would great to die killing the infidels. Suicide nuclear bomber. That's whats scary to me.

I also think a terrorist group will somehow smuggle a nuclear bomb into a major city and set it off. It may not be in America where this happens. It will more than likely take place somewhere that does not have as much security.

and don't forget about 'Star Wars'. Aren't we suppose to be able to shoot down the enemy's missiles before they reach us? Is this program still in effect?

Of course it will happen i believe one day soon ( maybe 6/6/6 ) south korea or iran will create a nuclaer weapon use to bomb a country america will then you shoot them which will again another country maybe india and india will bomb the usa cthen the us will bomb india then russia will get scared and bomb the us then france england abd the uk will bomb russia and so forth untill every country that has weapons is using them. this will kill off probably 40% percent of humans and 60% percent of animals. next a all the ash will cause a nuclear winter and plants, animals, and humans will die. finally the radiation will kill off everything that lived.